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OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
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- Will Knight Steven Levy, Geoffrey Bunting, Ramin Skibba, Vittoria Elliott, Chris Baraniuk, Will Knight, Steven Levy, Aarian Marshall, Amanda Hoover, Niamh Rowe
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- Nov 20 2023
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- 561 words
(Sorry for the volume of posts around this, but things keep changing so goddamn rapidly. This might be the biggest company meltdown in recent history.)
That is over half the company: https://www.threads.net/@karaswisher/post/Cz3sAWPOMOZ/
If you feel that is needed, you could either create a megathread or simply post new top level comments with updates to this post. Not that I think you need to do that, but that's how I usually deal with developing stories.
People who aren't interested in this story can also add
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to their topic tag filters too, so they don't have to see any of the related topics.Good idea. I'll let someone else figure out when that point comes (but I will, sheepishly, stop posting articles as top-level posts :D)
Oof! That wording is really taking it nuclear.
This is wonderful to watch from afar.
Side note, seeing more and more non-xitter links to things like this is most excellent. It's probably leaning 70/30 in favor of alternates lately. Sure, Threads is Meta, but at least its not a nazi bar.
Yet :/
God, when you put it like that it's pretty fucking sad where we're at.
This looks like it'll shake out with Microsoft hiring 500 OpenAI employees, and thus, effectively acquiring a company valued at ~$90B for the cost of their salaries -- a savings of tens of billions of dollars. Sure, they'll lay some of them off next quarter and keep only the best, but right now Satya looks like a genius. Of course, he can't get all the credit, but still, what a grab.
You mean eliminating any and all ethics obligations and profits caps? That's way more valuable than a few billion.
The firing of Sam Altman has to go down in history as one of the worst moves ever made by a corporate board. They lose over $500 million dollars a year, and they have now handed their key leader over to their top investor to start a competitor to them. I'll honestly be shocked if OpenAI doesn't lose their funding, get buried in lawsuits over the legality of their training data, and go under.
They fired him with no non-compete clause, and didn't offer him any role with the company going forward. It's absurd.
They’re not just a corporate board, though. Although reporting is sparse, the board is the board of the nonprofit OpenAI, and it is speculated they were not happy about the not very open, and fairly corporate way Sam was expanding after ChatGPT blew up. Their structure is similar to Mozilla’s.
It would make sense if this was the hail mary of a board concerned about openness, ethics, and all that stuff which OpenAI originally started with against what they saw as a de facto coup by Sam Altman into making OpenAI into a for-profit tech startup. Of course, it utterly failed, as Altman ended up being way more important than they were.
Oh well, I think the tech is better in the hands of Microsoft than the supposed ethicist on the board.
Given MS's history, ,I'm not sure if that's a huge step up. They simply have more eyes on them due to historical antitrust cases.
But it's not like Google and Meta dont have their own solutions in tow. So I guess soon it'll be more a matter of picking your poison.
It’s very messy, but I don’t see it as a failure yet, because it depends on their goals. The cost is much higher than they likely anticipated. OpenAI will likely end up a smaller organization with less influence. But if the board’s goal is to get back to their roots, bigger isn’t necessarily better.
It’s definitely a failure, though, if you think of it in conventional for-profit business terms. I expect that a lot of employees saw the expected value of their equity compensation go up in smoke, and that’s probably enough to explain why this coup was so unpopular. Becoming the next Google would make them rich, I expect.
(Since OpenAI has a non-traditional structure, they don’t have traditional stock options. Equity compensation looks complicated.)
And it seems Sutskever changed his mind. What happened? I don’t actually know much about him, but he seemed to be a man of strong convictions? A curious gesture. What’s he really thinking?
I also wonder about the contract terms that OpenAI has for renting computing power from Microsoft. If Microsoft becomes a competitor, how badly off are they?
Some related contract terms.
According to Stratechery, Microsoft has “a perpetual license to all OpenAI IP … including source code and model weights.”
However, from this page.
What counts as AGI, according to the specific contract terms, is suddenly very important. How much wiggle room does the board have? A court case would be interesting.
Stratechery makes a surprising claim:
It seems like Wikipedia and Firefox are still hanging in there? Things are changing every day. Maybe OpenAI will go that way.
Apparently the new CEO “puts the probability of AI doom at between 5 and 50 percent and has advocated a significant slowdown in development.”
Here is Matt Levine’s commentary.
He believes OpenAI isn’t profitable:
I wonder, though, if OpenAI can cut costs enough to keep going? If a lot of employees leave, that’s a big cost reduction already, and they didn’t have to lay them off. Maybe the services they charge for are profitable enough to keep operating if they cut back on the free stuff. This would be pulling off a Twitter-scale downsizing except not evil.
Only people inside OpenAI, with access to their accounts, could make a guess at that, and even they probably don’t know for sure.
I also hear that revenue from ChatGPT Plus memberships and API access usage is barely enough to cover computing costs, let alone R&D.
If I were the board, I would have waited until OpenAI were profitable and powerful enough to stand on its own — and then pulled the coup, and then leverage that money and power to pursue the mission.
The board seemed to have profoundly overestimated their position of power and killed the engines before even achieving escape velocity.
More Matt Levine commentary, framing this as a board versus staff dispute at a nonprofit:
He links to an interesting article about this kind of dispute which I posted here.
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Even if they had a noncompete clause, what's to stop him from working from a competitor and putting OpenAI out of business before they can collect on a judgment if such noncompete isn't paired with a $2b golden parachute? Spite is one powerful motivator.
With a guaranteed offer for any employees who want to join the former CEO at MS, the fact they are trying to oust the board and stay at OpenAI says a lot.
I feel like I would probably take the MS offer.
I'm sure many people at a place like OpenAI have their pick of any given company they want in the field. But there's some benefits to keeping independent while owning such "hot" tech at the moment.
But if they aren't confident in leadership after all this, it's better to jump where the leaders they do believe in are.
Another update: Microsoft hires Sam Altman, and OpenAI’s new CEO vows to investigate his firing
https://apnews.com/article/altman-ai-chatgpt-leadership-microsoft-a110b173c3eff4a374992017f05cd45a
jk this is already old news: https://tildes.net/~tech/1c9m/sam_altman_will_join_microsoft_to_lead_a_new_advanced_al_research_team_following_his_ouster_from
jeez this news is moving too fast
Yeah, this is following from that.
Archived.