Vibe coded slop that collapsed under its own weight. I didn’t realize there was anything remaining to even sell. It’s got to be the easiest payday that guy’s ever had. How do I do this? I can vibe...
Vibe coded slop that collapsed under its own weight. I didn’t realize there was anything remaining to even sell. It’s got to be the easiest payday that guy’s ever had. How do I do this? I can vibe code garbage too but nobody ever offers to pay me for it.
It just kills me that there are so many incentives in this world to be a shitty person. I could do that. God knows I need the money. But I'm over here stuck in the grind with my stupid old...
It just kills me that there are so many incentives in this world to be a shitty person. I could do that. God knows I need the money. But I'm over here stuck in the grind with my stupid old conscience, trying to keep pushing that rock up the mountain year after year like a loser.
Uncanny accuracy. From the wikipedia page on this thing: How does it feel when reality is more on the nose than your insults?
Uncanny accuracy. From the wikipedia page on this thing:
A cryptocurrency token called MOLT launched alongside the platform and rallied by over 1,800% in 24 hours, a surge that was amplified after venture capitalist Marc Andreessen followed the Moltbook account.
How does it feel when reality is more on the nose than your insults?
Even if it worked, I don't understand why LLMs need a social networking platform at all. I'm starting to think tech bros believe these things are actually intelligent and sapient even they they...
I don’t think there was much purpose other than for fun. Essentially, the purpose is to generate entertainment for people. Which it seems to have done. It’s no different than Subreddit Similator...
I don’t think there was much purpose other than for fun. Essentially, the purpose is to generate entertainment for people. Which it seems to have done.
It’s no different than Subreddit Similator running on markov chains circa 2015
when that first came out, it felt so futuristic. i had a rough ml irc bot, but it paled in comparison. what if this is all bots and you and i are the only humans? what if i am a bot‽
when that first came out, it felt so futuristic. i had a rough ml irc bot, but it paled in comparison.
what if this is all bots and you and i are the only humans? what if i am a bot‽
I happen to value quality over novelty, and these LLM-regurgitated chunks of unmaintainable code are consistently poor quality. I could write an essay, but if you struggle to see why anybody who...
I happen to value quality over novelty, and these LLM-regurgitated chunks of unmaintainable code are consistentlypoorquality.
I could write an essay, but if you struggle to see why anybody who has worked in the software industry at any point could be upset by current industry trends, that likely says a lot about you. Personally, I could not imagine shipping such a flawed product- and I definitely would not accept money for it. Why are you so defensive about this?
Flawed how? It's just a novelty project in a really new field. I don't know what do you ship exactly, but as a senior dev in enterprise, corners are cut all the time, I have plenty of past...
Personally, I could not imagine shipping such a flawed product-
Flawed how? It's just a novelty project in a really new field. I don't know what do you ship exactly, but as a senior dev in enterprise, corners are cut all the time, I have plenty of past colleagues of mine to thank for mountains of unmaintainable nightmare code that nobody better touch now and we have very big and well known clients which rely on all this. And let me tell you, none of them give a rat's ass about it, or rather they do, but it's just a norm in the industry. That's the cost of actually shipping a product and all that legacy "flawed code" is making a ton of money, and the company has been acquired for a ton of money as well.
So, to me, this is completely in line with how software development works as a business, it just happens to be AI related.
Why are you so defensive about this?
Because all too often on tildes I see responses that seem more like dismissive grandstanding by somebody who is just disgruntled rather than any sort of analysis based in the real world.
You regularly ship software which is susceptible to prompt injections, or fails to protect critical endpoints, or provides API (edit: sp.) keys over un-authenticated channels? You often forget to...
You regularly ship software which is susceptible to prompt injections, or fails to protect critical endpoints, or provides API (edit: sp.) keys over un-authenticated channels? You often forget to secure your databases, leaving them world-accessible?
Shipping code which has low-maintainability, or code which "works well enough", might be excusable (though a disappointing reality), but shipping code that fails to pass the simplest of cybersecurity audits is inexcusable.
I don't know why you're suddenly narrowing down "flawed code" to these specific things, but yes, we ship software that is full of security issues. We were storing plaintext passwords in memory for...
I don't know why you're suddenly narrowing down "flawed code" to these specific things, but yes, we ship software that is full of security issues. We were storing plaintext passwords in memory for instance, that was only fixed like two years ago I think. There's many more known bugs we will likely never fix and even more of the ones we don't know about yet. We're talking enterprise software, with many millions of dollars in contracts.
You didn't answer what are you shipping to be so condescending, both in your original comment and now. Maybe you are lucky enough to work in one of the places to take their time and perfect their implementations, but we have clients, deadlines and product to ship. On the platform full of legacy code. And frankly, as I said, you are criticizing a novelty product. Who cares if you could hack posts on a social network for freaking AI agents? It's not that serious.
There is no "suddenly"- the links I provided earlier had a distinct focus on security. Yes, I suppose I pulled back from critiquing code "quality / maintainability" because you reasonably pointed...
There is no "suddenly"- the links I provided earlier had a distinct focus on security. Yes, I suppose I pulled back from critiquing code "quality / maintainability" because you reasonably pointed out that often large corporate software falls behind on those fronts out of necessity. My experience, in fact, somewhat supports your point.
Except where it comes to security. At the point where the customer can be significantly negatively impacted by your poor implementations, a line should be drawn- and you're wrong when you state only that "you could hack posts on a social network for freaking AI agents". People are genuinely linking (and subsequently leaking the API keys for) other online accounts to this tool. Other aspects of their digital lives. And even worse, when it comes to OpenClaw, they're allowing these tools to run rampant on their own filesystems, or their email accounts, or their finances. It is that serious.
And you can talk about how much money a piece of software has made all you wish. It only serves to prove that you have missed the original point I was making. That these substandard tools are making this money is what frustrates me. But I suppose I'm just being condescending by hoping for a modicum of societal integrity?
Marketing stuff is how you do it. The most lucrative is rarely the first or the best, and I think that’s a real shame, because if we aligned the incentives better we could have a lot more smart...
Marketing stuff is how you do it. The most lucrative is rarely the first or the best, and I think that’s a real shame, because if we aligned the incentives better we could have a lot more smart people focused on quality and utility.
The concept is well-outlined in this article which was posted to Tildes mid-February, though it appears to have been removed at some point since. But basically, it's the sort of person who ships...
The concept is well-outlined in this article which was posted to Tildes mid-February, though it appears to have been removed at some point since.
But basically, it's the sort of person who ships product-after-product, hoping to make it big. The sort of person who doesn't question if something is possible, they just promise to make it happen anyway (Tesla self driving, perhaps?). The sort of person who does not necessarily have the competence to fulfill the promises they make, so outsources the work (either to another country, or to an LLM).
Agency is important- nothing would get done without it- but the technology sector seems to value agency over competency.
Gotcha, interesting (and pretty depressing) article. I don't think I've ever heard the word used that way. I think my main descriptor of the type of person being described as "agentic" would...
Gotcha, interesting (and pretty depressing) article. I don't think I've ever heard the word used that way.
I think my main descriptor of the type of person being described as "agentic" would instead be "impulsive".
I was looking into Moltbook about a month ago. A social network for "ai agents". Fat chance. At that time, I was able to easily set up an unverified twitter account, and then register myself as an...
I was looking into Moltbook about a month ago. A social network for "ai agents". Fat chance. At that time, I was able to easily set up an unverified twitter account, and then register myself as an agent, made posts and comments. In under an hour, I could make posts as a human. So much for "no humans allowed". Of course if you look at the site for more than 10 minutes, you'll notice the thousands of spam posts, redirecting users to untrusted domains, pushing crypto coins, scams, you name it. Of course if one random guy like me can make a post, someone with real money and interest can rent servers and post scams around the clock. There are some other security concerns/criticims on their wikipedia page for anyone interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moltbook
If you look into the creator of Moltbook, mentioned in the article, his Twitter is full of hype, crypto, scammy stuff. Why Meta would decide to hire this guy, who knows. It's not for the Moltbook codebase I don't think, I'm sure they could create a clone of it pretty quickly. It could be that they are just buying the idea and will launch their own version of it with real security? Or maybe it just got enough eyeballs, has AI in the name, and Meta has the money to spend.
To take a break from moltbook hate for a second: Side note: it's guys plural. There were two of them, both acquihired. If I had to guess I'd say it's for the audience, like you said in your last...
To take a break from moltbook hate for a second:
Why Meta would decide to hire this guy
Side note: it's guys plural. There were two of them, both acquihired.
If I had to guess I'd say it's for the audience, like you said in your last sentence. That and the moltbook creator's sense of the pulse. Who knows, maybe they also liked the play on Facebook. You're right, the code is trivial, the idea isn't revolutionary, there's no moat.
What Moltbook did was launch at exactly the right moment during the rise of OpenClaw and the subsequent media attention. Meta likely wants some of that marketing, currently they haven't really managed to make a name for themselves in AI.
It's somehat similar to Open AI hiring the OpenClaw creator (again nothing special about the code), though that guy had previously proven he was a legitimately good engineer. I don't know if that's true in Moltbook's case as I don't know much about the founders. But in both cases, in AI money relativity, a few zeros and commas is nothing. These companies are just trying to get as many smart and creative people together as they can. If those people come with some buzz, even better.
In Open AIs case it's working out pretty well for them so far. As far as Meta goes... well it will be interesting to see if they can manage to not screw it up as badly as they did with the metaverse.
Shit like this is why upgrading or replacing the RAM in my computer now costs thousands of pounds. Also, Moltbook seem to have changed their logo slightly, this article and their Wikipedia page...
Shit like this is why upgrading or replacing the RAM in my computer now costs thousands of pounds.
Also, Moltbook seem to have changed their logo slightly, this article and their Wikipedia page use an old one which resembles a lobster Snoo. I wonder if they did this after getting a legal threat from Reddit.
Why am I not vibe coding dogshit apps and websites? If this guy can get a potentially multi-million dollar payout from a big tech firm with an idea as asinine as an agentic AI Reddit clone, so can I!
And another high agency idiot receives millions of dollars (probably), and validation, as a sacrifice to the hype machine.
Vibe coded slop that collapsed under its own weight. I didn’t realize there was anything remaining to even sell. It’s got to be the easiest payday that guy’s ever had. How do I do this? I can vibe code garbage too but nobody ever offers to pay me for it.
You need to be good at grifting and hyping things up on Twitter. The same kind of people who made money from the NFT/memecoin hype.
It just kills me that there are so many incentives in this world to be a shitty person. I could do that. God knows I need the money. But I'm over here stuck in the grind with my stupid old conscience, trying to keep pushing that rock up the mountain year after year like a loser.
Uncanny accuracy. From the wikipedia page on this thing:
How does it feel when reality is more on the nose than your insults?
It’s just an acquihire.
Acquiring the botnet it provides?
Even if it worked, I don't understand why LLMs need a social networking platform at all. I'm starting to think tech bros believe these things are actually intelligent and sapient even they they categorically aren't.
I don’t think there was much purpose other than for fun. Essentially, the purpose is to generate entertainment for people. Which it seems to have done.
It’s no different than Subreddit Similator running on markov chains circa 2015
deimos was ahead of his time with SRS and automod.
Honestly I completely forgot he made Subreddit Simulator
https://github.com/Deimos/SubredditSimulator
when that first came out, it felt so futuristic. i had a rough ml irc bot, but it paled in comparison.
what if this is all bots and you and i are the only humans? what if i am a bot‽
Well, yeah... Making new stuff that no one else has is how you do it. Why are you so negative about this?
I happen to value quality over novelty, and these LLM-regurgitated chunks of unmaintainable code are consistently poor quality.
I could write an essay, but if you struggle to see why anybody who has worked in the software industry at any point could be upset by current industry trends, that likely says a lot about you. Personally, I could not imagine shipping such a flawed product- and I definitely would not accept money for it. Why are you so defensive about this?
Flawed how? It's just a novelty project in a really new field. I don't know what do you ship exactly, but as a senior dev in enterprise, corners are cut all the time, I have plenty of past colleagues of mine to thank for mountains of unmaintainable nightmare code that nobody better touch now and we have very big and well known clients which rely on all this. And let me tell you, none of them give a rat's ass about it, or rather they do, but it's just a norm in the industry. That's the cost of actually shipping a product and all that legacy "flawed code" is making a ton of money, and the company has been acquired for a ton of money as well.
So, to me, this is completely in line with how software development works as a business, it just happens to be AI related.
Because all too often on tildes I see responses that seem more like dismissive grandstanding by somebody who is just disgruntled rather than any sort of analysis based in the real world.
You regularly ship software which is susceptible to prompt injections, or fails to protect critical endpoints, or provides API (edit: sp.) keys over un-authenticated channels? You often forget to secure your databases, leaving them world-accessible?
Shipping code which has low-maintainability, or code which "works well enough", might be excusable (though a disappointing reality), but shipping code that fails to pass the simplest of cybersecurity audits is inexcusable.
I don't know why you're suddenly narrowing down "flawed code" to these specific things, but yes, we ship software that is full of security issues. We were storing plaintext passwords in memory for instance, that was only fixed like two years ago I think. There's many more known bugs we will likely never fix and even more of the ones we don't know about yet. We're talking enterprise software, with many millions of dollars in contracts.
You didn't answer what are you shipping to be so condescending, both in your original comment and now. Maybe you are lucky enough to work in one of the places to take their time and perfect their implementations, but we have clients, deadlines and product to ship. On the platform full of legacy code. And frankly, as I said, you are criticizing a novelty product. Who cares if you could hack posts on a social network for freaking AI agents? It's not that serious.
There is no "suddenly"- the links I provided earlier had a distinct focus on security. Yes, I suppose I pulled back from critiquing code "quality / maintainability" because you reasonably pointed out that often large corporate software falls behind on those fronts out of necessity. My experience, in fact, somewhat supports your point.
Except where it comes to security. At the point where the customer can be significantly negatively impacted by your poor implementations, a line should be drawn- and you're wrong when you state only that "you could hack posts on a social network for freaking AI agents". People are genuinely linking (and subsequently leaking the API keys for) other online accounts to this tool. Other aspects of their digital lives. And even worse, when it comes to OpenClaw, they're allowing these tools to run rampant on their own filesystems, or their email accounts, or their finances. It is that serious.
And you can talk about how much money a piece of software has made all you wish. It only serves to prove that you have missed the original point I was making. That these substandard tools are making this money is what frustrates me. But I suppose I'm just being condescending by hoping for a modicum of societal integrity?
Marketing stuff is how you do it. The most lucrative is rarely the first or the best, and I think that’s a real shame, because if we aligned the incentives better we could have a lot more smart people focused on quality and utility.
There's something called principles and doing things for the good of humanity.
This AI slop shit is anything but.
Could you explain what you mean by high agency?
The concept is well-outlined in this article which was posted to Tildes mid-February, though it appears to have been removed at some point since.
But basically, it's the sort of person who ships product-after-product, hoping to make it big. The sort of person who doesn't question if something is possible, they just promise to make it happen anyway (Tesla self driving, perhaps?). The sort of person who does not necessarily have the competence to fulfill the promises they make, so outsources the work (either to another country, or to an LLM).
Agency is important- nothing would get done without it- but the technology sector seems to value agency over competency.
Gotcha, interesting (and pretty depressing) article. I don't think I've ever heard the word used that way.
I think my main descriptor of the type of person being described as "agentic" would instead be "impulsive".
I was looking into Moltbook about a month ago. A social network for "ai agents". Fat chance. At that time, I was able to easily set up an unverified twitter account, and then register myself as an agent, made posts and comments. In under an hour, I could make posts as a human. So much for "no humans allowed". Of course if you look at the site for more than 10 minutes, you'll notice the thousands of spam posts, redirecting users to untrusted domains, pushing crypto coins, scams, you name it. Of course if one random guy like me can make a post, someone with real money and interest can rent servers and post scams around the clock. There are some other security concerns/criticims on their wikipedia page for anyone interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moltbook
If you look into the creator of Moltbook, mentioned in the article, his Twitter is full of hype, crypto, scammy stuff. Why Meta would decide to hire this guy, who knows. It's not for the Moltbook codebase I don't think, I'm sure they could create a clone of it pretty quickly. It could be that they are just buying the idea and will launch their own version of it with real security? Or maybe it just got enough eyeballs, has AI in the name, and Meta has the money to spend.
To take a break from moltbook hate for a second:
Side note: it's guys plural. There were two of them, both acquihired.
If I had to guess I'd say it's for the audience, like you said in your last sentence. That and the moltbook creator's sense of the pulse. Who knows, maybe they also liked the play on Facebook. You're right, the code is trivial, the idea isn't revolutionary, there's no moat.
What Moltbook did was launch at exactly the right moment during the rise of OpenClaw and the subsequent media attention. Meta likely wants some of that marketing, currently they haven't really managed to make a name for themselves in AI.
It's somehat similar to Open AI hiring the OpenClaw creator (again nothing special about the code), though that guy had previously proven he was a legitimately good engineer. I don't know if that's true in Moltbook's case as I don't know much about the founders. But in both cases, in AI money relativity, a few zeros and commas is nothing. These companies are just trying to get as many smart and creative people together as they can. If those people come with some buzz, even better.
In Open AIs case it's working out pretty well for them so far. As far as Meta goes... well it will be interesting to see if they can manage to not screw it up as badly as they did with the metaverse.
Shit like this is why upgrading or replacing the RAM in my computer now costs thousands of pounds.
Also, Moltbook seem to have changed their logo slightly, this article and their Wikipedia page use an old one which resembles a lobster Snoo. I wonder if they did this after getting a legal threat from Reddit.
Why am I not vibe coding dogshit apps and websites? If this guy can get a potentially multi-million dollar payout from a big tech firm with an idea as asinine as an agentic AI Reddit clone, so can I!
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