Not to be that guy but can you recommend another browser? I feel like I hear bad things for just about any browser. Chrome is owned by Google and they inject all kinds of nasty tracking and AI...
Not to be that guy but can you recommend another browser?
I feel like I hear bad things for just about any browser. Chrome is owned by Google and they inject all kinds of nasty tracking and AI stuff, and Firefox isn’t what it used to be. I use brave because it seems free from asshole influence but I guess not.
Zen Browser (a fork of Firefox) works great for me. Helium is nice if you want a minimal Chrome experience without all the bullshit Vivaldi is also interesting, though I haven't used it much and...
Zen Browser (a fork of Firefox) works great for me.
Helium is nice if you want a minimal Chrome experience without all the bullshit
Vivaldi is also interesting, though I haven't used it much and don't know how good it is privacy-wise.
About Vivaldi: It's partially open source. The UI is closed source, while the rest is open source. (For me this isn't really an issue, but worth pointing out) I might be misremembering so put here...
About Vivaldi:
It's partially open source. The UI is closed source, while the rest is open source. (For me this isn't really an issue, but worth pointing out)
I might be misremembering so put here a grain of salt, but privacy wise the browser calls home every day with a randomized ID and info about the CPU. They say that it's only meant for them to know how many people are using the browser.
I don't know how it is nowadays since they updated the UI, but last year I noticed that this browser was "hungrier" than other browsers. My work PC's hardware was abysmal so I could feel this, while other browsers like Brave, Chrome, firefox and even edge worked fine and felt less demanding.
I use Firefox day to day although I am also experimenting with Zen (Firefox fork), which seems a bit more like Olde Firefox. Opera also gets booted up from time to time. People like Vivaldi but I...
I use Firefox day to day although I am also experimenting with Zen (Firefox fork), which seems a bit more like Olde Firefox. Opera also gets booted up from time to time. People like Vivaldi but I haven't tried.
I mean yeah, everyone has issues to some extent. But Eich is very publicly a pretty large asshole and has been for a long time. Also Brave have always been on the wrong side of the asshole fence, frankly. I remember Tom Scott un-recommending them years ago when they forced their weird crypto thing onto him without his permission.
You don't have much of a choice: if it's not Firefox, it's Chromium. I'd say that Firefox is the less bad option. I also use it on Android, or Vivaldi exclusively for the few PWAs that I want to...
You don't have much of a choice: if it's not Firefox, it's Chromium. I'd say that Firefox is the less bad option. I also use it on Android, or Vivaldi exclusively for the few PWAs that I want to install.
I'm also not too keen on using forks. Your web browser is the single most critical application on your system, and even though Mozilla and Google suck, they certainly don't mess around security. I don't have that kind of trust for amateurs, as well-intentioned as they are.
I've used Firefox for years myself, but decided recently to give Waterfox, a fork of the browser, a go since Mozilla has allegedly been using user data to train AI without users' consent. It's...
I've used Firefox for years myself, but decided recently to give Waterfox, a fork of the browser, a go since Mozilla has allegedly been using user data to train AI without users' consent. It's been a decent experience. I would recommend it.
I also switched to Waterfox as my main since they've stayed away from AI/etc so far. It's a nice fork. Sync still works, easy to move profile over, etc Tried Zen, wasn't a fan. LibreWolf was a...
I also switched to Waterfox as my main since they've stayed away from AI/etc so far. It's a nice fork. Sync still works, easy to move profile over, etc
Tried Zen, wasn't a fan. LibreWolf was a consideration but a bit too overkill for me privacy/security wise, etc
If I have to use a Chromium browser in a pinch, I use Helium
No longer interested in the vanilla corporate versions of browsers anymore, basically forks all the way down for me
You didn’t mention if you’re PC or Mac but if Mac… Orion - WebKit-based (same engine as Safari) but with Chrome/Firefox extensions. Been using this for a while now and it’s really matured. Zen -...
You didn’t mention if you’re PC or Mac but if Mac…
Orion - WebKit-based (same engine as Safari) but with Chrome/Firefox extensions. Been using this for a while now and it’s really matured.
Zen - Firefox fork like others have mentioned
Vivaldi - I use this at work and have no complaints
I use Firefox as my daily driver and see no reason to change, especially since I have all the extensions I need installed and working well. Eight extensions... is that a lot compared to you guys?...
I use Firefox as my daily driver and see no reason to change, especially since I have all the extensions I need installed and working well. Eight extensions... is that a lot compared to you guys?
I have Waterfox as a backup, and have it set up in as complete a privacy mode as I can, with nothing saved from each session.
On the off chance I run into a site that requires Chrome or a Chromium based browser, I keep Ungoogled Chromium installed, but rarely use it.
Friendly reminder that Brave CEO Brendan Eich is a homophobe, anti-vaxist and science denier.
There are plenty of other browsers out there.
Not to be that guy but can you recommend another browser?
I feel like I hear bad things for just about any browser. Chrome is owned by Google and they inject all kinds of nasty tracking and AI stuff, and Firefox isn’t what it used to be. I use brave because it seems free from asshole influence but I guess not.
Zen Browser (a fork of Firefox) works great for me.
Helium is nice if you want a minimal Chrome experience without all the bullshit
Vivaldi is also interesting, though I haven't used it much and don't know how good it is privacy-wise.
About Vivaldi:
It's partially open source. The UI is closed source, while the rest is open source. (For me this isn't really an issue, but worth pointing out)
I might be misremembering so put here a grain of salt, but privacy wise the browser calls home every day with a randomized ID and info about the CPU. They say that it's only meant for them to know how many people are using the browser.
I don't know how it is nowadays since they updated the UI, but last year I noticed that this browser was "hungrier" than other browsers. My work PC's hardware was abysmal so I could feel this, while other browsers like Brave, Chrome, firefox and even edge worked fine and felt less demanding.
I use Firefox day to day although I am also experimenting with Zen (Firefox fork), which seems a bit more like Olde Firefox. Opera also gets booted up from time to time. People like Vivaldi but I haven't tried.
I mean yeah, everyone has issues to some extent. But Eich is very publicly a pretty large asshole and has been for a long time. Also Brave have always been on the wrong side of the asshole fence, frankly. I remember Tom Scott un-recommending them years ago when they forced their weird crypto thing onto him without his permission.
You don't have much of a choice: if it's not Firefox, it's Chromium. I'd say that Firefox is the less bad option. I also use it on Android, or Vivaldi exclusively for the few PWAs that I want to install.
I'm also not too keen on using forks. Your web browser is the single most critical application on your system, and even though Mozilla and Google suck, they certainly don't mess around security. I don't have that kind of trust for amateurs, as well-intentioned as they are.
I've used Firefox for years myself, but decided recently to give Waterfox, a fork of the browser, a go since Mozilla has allegedly been using user data to train AI without users' consent. It's been a decent experience. I would recommend it.
I also switched to Waterfox as my main since they've stayed away from AI/etc so far. It's a nice fork. Sync still works, easy to move profile over, etc
Tried Zen, wasn't a fan. LibreWolf was a consideration but a bit too overkill for me privacy/security wise, etc
If I have to use a Chromium browser in a pinch, I use Helium
No longer interested in the vanilla corporate versions of browsers anymore, basically forks all the way down for me
You didn’t mention if you’re PC or Mac but if Mac…
Orion - WebKit-based (same engine as Safari) but with Chrome/Firefox extensions. Been using this for a while now and it’s really matured.
Zen - Firefox fork like others have mentioned
Vivaldi - I use this at work and have no complaints
Brave was also caught injecting their own referral links into crypto urls. If they do that, what else are they going to try?
Here - CPOMagazine
I use Firefox as my daily driver and see no reason to change, especially since I have all the extensions I need installed and working well. Eight extensions... is that a lot compared to you guys?
I have Waterfox as a backup, and have it set up in as complete a privacy mode as I can, with nothing saved from each session.
On the off chance I run into a site that requires Chrome or a Chromium based browser, I keep Ungoogled Chromium installed, but rarely use it.
Not sure I see the need for a paid browser.
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