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Apple Keynote Discussion Thread [September 10, 2019 @ 10:00 am PDT]

The Apple Keynote is on September 10th, at 10am Pacific Daylight Time (daylight savings is in effect). I'm making this thread as a place to discuss the announcements here on ~tech.

TIme:

  • 10:00am PDT (California / Apple time)
  • 5:00pm GMT (Greenwich time)

Livestream Links


Tl;Dr of actual announcements (updating right now)

  • Apple Arcade announced
    • $4.99 / month and one month free.
    • 100 indie exclusives on launch
  • Apple TV+ announced
    • $4.99 / month, launching November 1
    • New originals every month! 100 countries at launch
    • Including 1 year free with device (iPhone, iPad, or mac) purchases starting today.
  • New base model iPad
    • 10.2 inch display, Runs A10 Fusion chip, (optional) smart keyboard
    • New iPad is made from 100% recycled aluminum (like the new MacBook air)
    • Starts at $399 (competing with chrome books). $299 for education customers.
    • includes Apple Pencil support
  • Apple Watch Series 5!!!!
    • Health and Fitness video
    • 3 New health studies!!!
      - Apple Hearing Study
      - Apple Women's Health Study (How cycles affect various health conditions)
      - Apple Heart Study
      - Enrollment is voluntary. OPT-IN by downloading the app and getting enrolled.
    • Apple Watch Series 5
      - ALWAYS ON LTPO OLED display, with Dynamic Refresh Rate (1Hz - 60Hz VRR)
      - Same 18 hour battery life
      - International Emergency Calling on all cellular models
      - 100% recycled aluminum.
      - Stainless Steel, Titanium, Ceramic
      - Series 3 watch starts at $199, Series 5 starts at $499
  • iPhone 11!
    • Aluminum and Glass, comes in a bunch of colors
    • Spatial audio + Dolby Atmos for next level smartphone sound
    • New Camera -- 120º FOV Wide angle camera, 12MP with 100% Focus Pixels
      - 0.5x Optical Zoom out :)
      - New Image processing pipelines, with semantic rendering and adaptive tone mapping
      - Portrait mode improvements (wider portraits, and more) (yay, now for pets!)
      - Night Mode has adaptive image slicing and fusion for reducing blur in long exposure.
      - 4K HDR video at 60fps (was previously 30fps!)
      - Front Camera is now 12MP wide angle
      - 4K 30fps HDR video, Slowmotion Video for front facing camera! :)
    • A13 Bionic processor
      - fastest GPU and CPU ever in a smartphone
      - Game demo showing off Metal 2 Shaders, Bloom, and AA in realtime at 60fps
      - Battery is now 1 hr longer than the previous XR
      - U1 Chip? (on slide, not mentioned)
    • Wifi 6 support!
    • 2m water resistance for 30 minutes
    • 6.1 inch Liquid Retina display
    • Priced sanely at $699
  • iPhone 11 Pro
    • 3 camera array
    • Matte Textured Glass
    • Super Retina XDR Display.
      - 2,000,000:1 contrast ratio
      - 1200 nits of brightness
      - 426 ppi
      - Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos
    • A13 Bionic Chip Design
      - Machine Learning Matrix Multiplier Accelerators make matrix operations 6x faster on iPhone
      - Best ML platform of any Smartphone
      - Lower power design using 7nm+ lithography
      - 8.5 Billion Transistors
      - 4 High Efficiency CPU cores
      - Hundreds of Voltage domains and clock domains
      - Each region of the chip is at least 20% faster, and uses at least 20% less power
    • 3 camera system
      - 4x zoom range (0.5 to 2x)
      - 53-13mm focal lengths, and f1.8 to f2.4
      - Deep Fusion camera system - stitches together burst photos + long exposure to maximize detail and reduce noise.
      - Filmic Pro demo -- allowing multiple camera use at the same time.
    • iPhone 11 Pro at $999, Pro Max at $1099
    • iPhone 11 at $699 and XR at $599 and iPhone 8 at $499 to complete the lineup.
  • Apple Store Updates
    • Apple Watch Studio - pair any watch with any band of your choice. Configure as you want
    • iPhone trade ins can now be used for a lower monthly rate if you buy an iPhone, rather than simply taking off the purchase price.
    • 5th Ave Store is being redesigned and re-opening Sept 20th!

Other miscellaneous / fun stuff


Edits:

  • fixed part about browsers with HLS support, and added a table showing compatible browsers.
  • remved "what we're expecting" section, and started updating the event live feed.

81 comments

  1. [8]
    emdash
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    I will be awake for this! If rumours are true, this is looking like a disappointing iPhone year with no bilateral charging, USB-C connectivity, removed 3D touch and (at least in my opinion) a...

    I will be awake for this! If rumours are true, this is looking like a disappointing iPhone year with no bilateral charging, USB-C connectivity, removed 3D touch and (at least in my opinion) a rather unsightly camera bump. Given I'm on a Xs currently, it'll be a hard sell for me to upgrade; especially as it'll do nothing to make the Apple ecosystem more seamless: USB-C and wireless charging to go with my USB-C MBP and Wireless AirPods would remove a bit of friction for sure.

    My prediction is that the Series 5 Watch will be the star of the show, and I absolutely cannot wait to grab a White Ceramic S5 model, after being immensely disappointed it was removed from the S4 lineup. I'm intrigued as to where they'll slot this. Do they choose to revert to the Ive-esque approach of labelling Ceramic models as "Apple Watch Edition" with a high-end fashion price tag, or do they slot it in at a lower price point and just refer to it by the case material? Titanium in my mind will replace Stainless Steel in the mid-tier line-up. Alu will be kept on as the default sport & nike-based products.

    In both products I expect software to help inflate otherwise incremental hardware improvements: sleep tracking in the watch, and more photographic tricks utilising the 2nd and 3rd iPhone 11 Pro cameras.

    No Mac-related news in my view, so it could be quite a mild keynote in terms of product updates overall. I think the only thing that could make me genuinely angry is if the Apple Tiles (Apple Slices?)—the "one more thing"— are non-rechargeable batteries, which would be a disgustingly environmentally destructive move, and would outright make me refuse to buy one. I'm also predicting a horrendous $69 price tag, $99/two, and $129/three.

    Maybe new AirPods? Not sure. There's no rumours in the supply chain to indicate as such, and it hasn't been long since the 2nd generation was released—even though the refresh was extremely mild. I'd expect this next year, alongside some studio-grade Apple-branded over-ear headphones with ANC.

    Apart from that, possibly some other updates to Apple typography or store design. Maybe a return to the classic rainbow logo? That renovated New York store looks awesome with the iridescent glass. Shame it's only temporary.

    I'll be posting my reactions here as another resident Apple-fanatic as Tim speaks!

    8 votes
    1. [2]
      emdash
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      Well, I'm immensely disappointed—which is unsurprising. I didn't expect much in the first place, but I am continually upset at Apple's new keynote narrative from the past 2-3 years. Go back and...

      Well, I'm immensely disappointed—which is unsurprising. I didn't expect much in the first place, but I am continually upset at Apple's new keynote narrative from the past 2-3 years. Go back and watch a Jobs presentation; there's a lot more factual information, often arranged hierarchically or sequentially. These days, it's a mix of flair and dramatizations which works well when you have more incremental upgrades, which has been the trend of the Cook era at Apple. Far too many cringey game demos too—especially that Pascal's Wager one.

      Jobs' presentation style doesn't make sense if all you do is add a camera lens and upgrade the processor; because there isn't enough content to make it seem meaningful, so actually Apple's modern strategy of talking about how people use their products and combining recently introduced features with new features works quite well. If you examine the keynote critically, it's really quite clever how they combine pre-existing functionality and make it seem like it's a new feature (most vibrant phone display on the market, for example—even if there's no changes from last years model in that respect).

      iPhone was underwhelming and will be a hard pass from me. They've somehow managed to add n+1 camera bumps to each device, and they're all ugly as sin. The iPhone Xs is bad enough but somehow an improvement over this. They clearly owned it during the presentation too, as the entire introductory clips were closeups of the cameraset. They touched upon a wider-angle FaceID unlock in the summary video, but somehow failed to mention it during the talk. Really? I would think this is one of the more important things, given the context of the keynote.

      The matte finishes don't appeal to me either. I still hold the polished Jet Black iPhone 7 or Black iPhone 4 are the best industrial design in the smartphone era, and likely won't be surpassed for a while yet.

      Apple Watch Series 5 was entirely iterative as I expected, the dearth of new hardware features was notable: a compass and a more power-efficient screen and internals to deliver an always on display. Good cumulative upgrades for anyone with a Series 3 or earlier, but a hard sell for myself with a Series 4. I'm delighted to see the return of ceramic with Apple Watch Edition, but it continues to be sullied by the horrendous red ring with the dark grey interior on the digital crown. What is the purpose of that fucking accent?! I still haven't had this question comprehensively answered. If it was clean, pure white ceramic, you'd have me sold.

      No Apple Tiles, but a mention of the U1 chip in the iPhone points to a last minute delay with that product. Same goes for the now-centered Apple logo on the iPhone Pro, which indicates bilateral wireless charging was removed after the ID was finalized. With all the drama around iOS 13, it sounds like Apple engineers are all hands on deck at the moment.

      6 votes
      1. WinterCharm
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        I very much agree on the presentation style of a keynote. Jobs told stories. About engineering, about features, etc. iPhone was okay for me. Honestly, they skipped over so much in the keynote just...

        I very much agree on the presentation style of a keynote. Jobs told stories. About engineering, about features, etc.

        iPhone was okay for me. Honestly, they skipped over so much in the keynote just to fit it all within 1.5 hours.

        I wish we'd gotten a polished finish on the iPhone Pros... but that's okay. Battery life going up by 4-5 hours on the iPhone Pro is a really nice touch. Sadly, they took out 3D touch, and now all the phones have Haptic Touch.

        3 votes
    2. WinterCharm
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      I really am unsure of what to think about this Keynote. It could go either way. Apple might surprise us with incredible software features, along with an iPhone 7-like update (where the design is...

      I really am unsure of what to think about this Keynote. It could go either way. Apple might surprise us with incredible software features, along with an iPhone 7-like update (where the design is identical to the previous 2 years)...

      Or we could possibly see Augmented reality... and major updates to Apple watch, a new MacBook, new mac pro related stuff... (I still want to see AMD's Rome CPU in the Mac Pro)

      iMacs are the one computer that didn't get a significant update this year. Currently iMacs use the RX 580 GPU from AMD, but they've recently released the 5700 / 5700XT which are more energy efficient, and over 2x faster. Looks like a good drop-in upgrade, along with updating to 9th gen Intel CPU's. Or maybe Ryzen. I hope we see Apple embrace AMD some more, and pass some of those savings onto us... especially when AMD has 12 and 16 core desktop chips. :P

      As for the new watches I think we'll see comprehensive sleep tracking features, and maybe some really nice materials, for the new Edition watches. I hope we see a Titanium Hermes watch.

      But let's assume this entire keynote is very very underwhelming, it may set the stage for a late October keynote where iPads / Macs are updated... Or, they could COMPLETELY turn it around by showing off the most amazing AR glasses at the end of the keynote...

      And I agree -- the iridescent glass looks so good, I'm sad it'll be taken away.

      1 vote
    3. [4]
      babypuncher
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      What is it about ceramic that is more "premium" than aluminum or stainless steel?

      What is it about ceramic that is more "premium" than aluminum or stainless steel?

      1 vote
      1. [3]
        emdash
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        You can ask this about anything fashion related, I guess. The pure white non-metallic finish on the Edition is quite alluring—and something not found in other Apple Watches. If only the aesthetic...

        You can ask this about anything fashion related, I guess. The pure white non-metallic finish on the Edition is quite alluring—and something not found in other Apple Watches. If only the aesthetic wasn't ruined by that ugly red ring on the crown, it'd be a sale from me.

        2 votes
        1. [2]
          babypuncher
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          Hopefully the red accent is only for LTE equipped units. The GPS Series 3 I bought my wife lacks it. I'm still on a Series 2 so this might be a good time to upgrade.

          Hopefully the red accent is only for LTE equipped units. The GPS Series 3 I bought my wife lacks it. I'm still on a Series 2 so this might be a good time to upgrade.

          1. emdash
            Link Parent
            Yeah it's only Cellular models for some bizarre reason.

            Yeah it's only Cellular models for some bizarre reason.

  2. [13]
    JXM
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    I always hate this part, where they bring game devs on stage to run canned demos of their games. I understand why they do it, but it's always so boring.

    I always hate this part, where they bring game devs on stage to run canned demos of their games. I understand why they do it, but it's always so boring.

    7 votes
    1. [12]
      Grzmot
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      Especially because none of the games look particularly interesting. The touchscreen just isn't a good way to interact with games.

      Especially because none of the games look particularly interesting.

      The touchscreen just isn't a good way to interact with games.

      1 vote
      1. [10]
        emdash
        Link Parent
        Not sure if you're aware, but Apple Arcade supports Mac, MacBook, and Apple TV too—all of which can pair with Xbox One and Playstation 4 controllers for this very purpose.

        Not sure if you're aware, but Apple Arcade supports Mac, MacBook, and Apple TV too—all of which can pair with Xbox One and Playstation 4 controllers for this very purpose.

        3 votes
        1. sandaltree
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          Xbox controllers don't have support in Macs and it's a bit of a pain to setup with third party drivers. I hope they will address this issue now that they have Arcade going on..

          Xbox controllers don't have support in Macs and it's a bit of a pain to setup with third party drivers. I hope they will address this issue now that they have Arcade going on..

          1 vote
        2. [8]
          Grzmot
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          And the games they have shown in the event are all geared towards being controlled with a touchscreen, so pairing with a controller in this instance isn't very helpful, as the touchscreen is a...

          And the games they have shown in the event are all geared towards being controlled with a touchscreen, so pairing with a controller in this instance isn't very helpful, as the touchscreen is a limiting factor during game design. I understand that it might be a problem if you show up on stage with an iPad and an Xbox controller, but as long as the games are designed to be controlled with a touchscreen, the pairing won't help, except for ports of older games like GTA.

          1. [7]
            emdash
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            I believe one of the Apple Arcade requirements is multi-device input. Each game has to be playable on every other Apple device; so they do support controllers. I guess if you really wanted to you...

            I believe one of the Apple Arcade requirements is multi-device input. Each game has to be playable on every other Apple device; so they do support controllers. I guess if you really wanted to you could pair your controller to your phone or iPad?

            1. [6]
              Grzmot
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              That doesn't remove the requirement of designing towards a touchscreen, due to the multi-device input.

              I believe one of the Apple Arcade requirements is multi-device input. Each game has to be playable on every other Apple device; so they do support controllers.

              That doesn't remove the requirement of designing towards a touchscreen, due to the multi-device input.

              1. [3]
                emdash
                Link Parent
                But that's unrelated to your posit that "the touchscreen just isn't a good way to interact with games."

                But that's unrelated to your posit that "the touchscreen just isn't a good way to interact with games."

                1. [2]
                  Tau_Zero
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                  I think Grzmot is arguing a case of lowest-common-denominator. A game with multi-device input requirements has to be fully functional with the most limited supported input, in this case a...

                  I think Grzmot is arguing a case of lowest-common-denominator. A game with multi-device input requirements has to be fully functional with the most limited supported input, in this case a touchscreen. Games that could have had more features, more complex mechanics and UI, more precision requirements with a gamepad or KB+M won't due to the touchscreen support limitation.

                  On the flip side, all of those will likely be designed as touchscreen-first, both because it's easier to do so than cutting/shoehorning things later, as well as wanting to take advantage of the large mobile audience. As a result, using a controller or KB+M is less likely to improve the experience over using the "native" touch interface.

                  1 vote
                  1. Grzmot
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                    Thank you for clarifying what I wasn't able to. I need some morning tea...

                    Thank you for clarifying what I wasn't able to. I need some morning tea...

              2. [2]
                Deimos
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                That's not necessarily true for all the games. For at least one example, Sayonara Wild Hearts (which I posted about earlier today) is going to be in Apple Arcade and is also coming out on Switch...

                That's not necessarily true for all the games. For at least one example, Sayonara Wild Hearts (which I posted about earlier today) is going to be in Apple Arcade and is also coming out on Switch and PS4. Impressions of preview demos have been getting posted for months, mostly played on Switch, and nothing that I ever saw even hinted at it being a "mobile/touchscreen" type of game, everybody just talked about it like a normal Switch game, played with a controller.

                Games don't have to be designed for a touchscreen to be playable with one. There are even (massively popular!) mobile versions of games like PUBG and Fortnite that absolutely weren't designed with touchscreens in mind. They just figure out how to make it work, including using an on-screen "controller" if necessary. The touchscreen controls just have to be functional, not always treated as the primary method.

                1. Grzmot
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                  I wasn't aware of Sayonara Wild Hearts. That being said, I do think there's going to be a case of games being designed with a touchscreen in mind, because products with a touchscreen are Apple's...

                  I wasn't aware of Sayonara Wild Hearts.

                  That being said, I do think there's going to be a case of games being designed with a touchscreen in mind, because products with a touchscreen are Apple's most successful products (I haven't looked this up, but I'm pretty sure that's how it is). Both PUBG and Fortnite are only ports that made the touchscreen work somehow, and I'd argue that it's still an inferior experience to using a controller or keyboard+mouse and I think a touchscreen is still a limiting factor when interacting with games and thus, will force designers to simplify their control schemes, sometimes to the detriment of the games they're designing.

                  1 vote
      2. nothis
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        Partially? Sure! But IMO blaming touch screens for the utter wasteland that is mobile game design creativity doesn’t quite cut it. If you look close, you can find some genuinely great mobile games...

        Partially? Sure! But IMO blaming touch screens for the utter wasteland that is mobile game design creativity doesn’t quite cut it. If you look close, you can find some genuinely great mobile games (Monument Valley, Threes, Ridiculous Fishing, proper ports like Civilzation VI or indie masterpieces like The Witness).

        I know this has become a boring truism among gaming discussions but I genuinely believe that the F2P business model has had an enormously destructive influence on mobile gaming. It’s so bad that it even distorted our idea of what mobile games could be.

        2 votes
  3. Deimos
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    Official announcements / press releases on the Apple site: Apple TV+ launches November 1, featuring all-new originals Apple introduces new version of the most popular iPad starting at $329 Apple...
    6 votes
  4. [2]
    bilbodwyer
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    I love watching these events, although I'm not an Apple user. Their hardware is (usually) beautiful, but the pricing is (invariably) eye-watering. The value in this event for me is sort of like...

    I love watching these events, although I'm not an Apple user. Their hardware is (usually) beautiful, but the pricing is (invariably) eye-watering. The value in this event for me is sort of like watching the weather forecast. If there are large changes, it's a relatively useful (if flawed) depiction of what the tech landscape is going to look like for the next couple of years.

    5 votes
    1. WinterCharm
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      That's definitely a good way to look at this -- whether we all like it or not, companies like Apple and Google really do set trends for the rest of tech. It's the same reason that even though I'm...

      That's definitely a good way to look at this -- whether we all like it or not, companies like Apple and Google really do set trends for the rest of tech. It's the same reason that even though I'm an apple user primarily, and my only Google products are their web services, I do watch Google I/O because it's always interesting to see what they've been working on.

      As for price, you'd be surprised, but it's generally fair because it's not just about specs -- it's about how you implement software. And Apple generally doesn't vacuum up user data to target ads and subsidize their services (which is what makes Google's hardware and software cheaper). Nothing wrong with that as long as users are informed - essentially, you can have a split payment (data + cash) with Google, or a single payment type with Apple (cash).

      Funny enough, modern smart TV's are becoming cheaper than their dumb-TV counterparts, because once again, user data is subsidizing the prices! it matters even more in a thin-margin business like TVs.

      5 votes
  5. [11]
    JXM
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    iPad Discussion A 10.2 inch model replacing the 9.7-inch one. It's got an A10X, which is older but still crazy fast for anything you'd do on an iPad like that. RAM is much more likely to limit...

    iPad Discussion

    A 10.2 inch model replacing the 9.7-inch one. It's got an A10X, which is older but still crazy fast for anything you'd do on an iPad like that. RAM is much more likely to limit you.

    The smart connector is there too!

    5 votes
    1. [3]
      tea_and_cats_please
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      I've always wanted a digital sketchbook. That's what I wanted the first iPad to be, when I bought it. And it wasn't good enough for that, and ended up mostly being a thing I watched Netflix on....

      I've always wanted a digital sketchbook. That's what I wanted the first iPad to be, when I bought it. And it wasn't good enough for that, and ended up mostly being a thing I watched Netflix on. And it instilled in me a deep dislike for iOS, it was so limited in those days and most apps weren't optimized for iPad yet so they looked like trash.

      They re-piqued my interest first with the Pencil, and now they've got my ears up again with iPadOS. When they first came out with the Pencil, I said I'd give an iPad a try again if they'd put Mac OS on it. Are we close yet? I'mma have to go to an Apple store and check one out. That's exciting. I might sell my MB Pro for that.

      2 votes
      1. NaraVara
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        They'll never put MacOS on it. They'll build up iOS to be able to fulfill most of the functionalities you'd want MacOS for, but I think it'll be a long looooong time before iOS will be a...

        They'll never put MacOS on it. They'll build up iOS to be able to fulfill most of the functionalities you'd want MacOS for, but I think it'll be a long looooong time before iOS will be a development machine.

        It is up for most old "family computer" duties at this point though. Anything on the order of managing correspondence, browsing the internet, document editing, and light video/photo editing are all good now. Spreadsheet type things are still a bit clunky though, and professional level doing of most of the above also needs more work. But plenty of journalists and artists now claim they use iPad Pros as their work machines without issue.

        3 votes
      2. ali
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        So im tired (5am here) and maybe I misunderstood: But I used pad 2018 with the apple pen to take notes for the last year & drawing etc. if you want to know anything, ask away. I am very happy with...

        So im tired (5am here) and maybe I misunderstood:
        But I used pad 2018 with the apple pen to take notes for the last year & drawing etc. if you want to know anything, ask away. I am very happy with the setup. I use it when I don’t want to get my MacBook to do more complex things

        2 votes
    2. WinterCharm
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      Looks like a new iPad OS optimized tablet. nice stuff, good hardware. :)

      Looks like a new iPad OS optimized tablet. nice stuff, good hardware. :)

      1 vote
    3. [6]
      psi
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      Maybe somebody can help me out: I'm considering purchasing an iPad purely for the purpose of note taking (I have no other Apple products, for what it's worth). How well does the iPad work for this...

      Maybe somebody can help me out: I'm considering purchasing an iPad purely for the purpose of note taking (I have no other Apple products, for what it's worth). How well does the iPad work for this purpose versus other tablets/devices? Also, are there any significant differences between the new iPad and the current model (which can be had for ~$250 on Amazon)?

      1 vote
      1. balooga
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        I couldn't tell you how it stacks up next to other devices, but my spouse uses an iPad Pro with a split pane — Evernote on one side, and a browser with recipes on the other — for meal planning and...

        I couldn't tell you how it stacks up next to other devices, but my spouse uses an iPad Pro with a split pane — Evernote on one side, and a browser with recipes on the other — for meal planning and grocery list making. With the Smart Keyboard Folio it works very well. It's like a small laptop. I'd say based on our use case, it's a great machine for note taking. I could easily see a student on one of these in a lecture hall or similar environment.

        4 votes
      2. [3]
        JXM
        Link Parent
        The newer one has a smart connector, which lets you use a hardware keyboard. If you’re doing note taking, it might be worth it for the new one to be able to use the keyboard. The base model is way...

        The newer one has a smart connector, which lets you use a hardware keyboard. If you’re doing note taking, it might be worth it for the new one to be able to use the keyboard.

        The base model is way overpowered for basic stuff like that, so it should be good for at least four or five years.

        2 votes
        1. [2]
          psi
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          I actually had an opportunity to try out the smart keyboard at an Apple store (on an iPad Pro), but I found it rather annoying to use with the Pencil. Basically, when the case is folded back, it...

          I actually had an opportunity to try out the smart keyboard at an Apple store (on an iPad Pro), but I found it rather annoying to use with the Pencil. Basically, when the case is folded back, it isn't entirely level (at least, as far as I could manage) which causes the iPad to wiggle when you're writing on it. I'm sure if you planned on doing any amount of typing the case would be worth it, but it's seem like it would just get in the way for me.

          But then again, maybe I just didn't fold it back correctly?

          1 vote
          1. JXM
            Link Parent
            You're correct, the part with the keyboard is thicker than the rest of the case. The newer iPad Pros fixed this issue but the new iPads (non-Pros) use the older style keyboard cover.

            You're correct, the part with the keyboard is thicker than the rest of the case. The newer iPad Pros fixed this issue but the new iPads (non-Pros) use the older style keyboard cover.

      3. ali
        Link Parent
        I use it for note taking for the last year and I think it’s amazing. I don’t think there’s any tablets in that price range that can compete, especially since they won’t get updated 6 months in.

        I use it for note taking for the last year and I think it’s amazing. I don’t think there’s any tablets in that price range that can compete, especially since they won’t get updated 6 months in.

        1 vote
  6. [11]
    JXM
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    Apple Watch Discussion 33:00 - Another video about how Apple Watch is impacting people's lives. I feel like they've done three or four of these now. It makes sense, it's an easy feel good story. I...

    Apple Watch Discussion

    33:00 - Another video about how Apple Watch is impacting people's lives. I feel like they've done three or four of these now. It makes sense, it's an easy feel good story. I get that these stories are good PR for them, but a lot of these "I lost weight using my Apple Watch!" isn't unique to this product and could easily be said about FitBit or any other activity tracker. Some of the other stuff, like ECG monitoring does seem like it's something to brag about.

    38:00 - New series 5 with always on display.

    42:00 - Titanium, ceramic and Nike options available. And some extremely pricey Hermes ones. I'll bet they're beautiful and very nice, but I could never bring myself to pay a buttload of money for a watch like that.

    45:00 - Killing Series 4 but Series 3 starts at $199 now. That makes it a lot easier of a sell for people on the fence. I know a lot of people who think the current price of $279 is too high.

    3 votes
    1. [2]
      WinterCharm
      Link Parent
      Yeah, it makes sense that they'd mark these down, and keep the "newest" watches at a high price. The only company reasonably threatening Apple's dominance in smartwatches right now is Fitbit, and...

      I know a lot of people who think the current price of $279 is too high.

      Yeah, it makes sense that they'd mark these down, and keep the "newest" watches at a high price. The only company reasonably threatening Apple's dominance in smartwatches right now is Fitbit, and their new flagship is also $199 -- the Fitbit Versa 2. So that $199 Apple watch price is not a coincidence.

      1 vote
      1. JXM
        Link Parent
        I think that price also brings it down into “I might buy it for someone I really like for the holidays” territory.

        I think that price also brings it down into “I might buy it for someone I really like for the holidays” territory.

        2 votes
    2. [3]
      emdash
      Link Parent
      Series 3 for $199 is a steal. It was my first Apple Watch and remains an excellent product.

      Series 3 for $199 is a steal. It was my first Apple Watch and remains an excellent product.

      1 vote
      1. [2]
        vegai
        (edited )
        Link Parent
        Hmm, interesting. Is that thing able to push podcasts or imusic songs to bluetooth headphones without an iphone or wlan being nearby? I'd like something like that to make jogging and other boring...

        Hmm, interesting. Is that thing able to push podcasts or imusic songs to bluetooth headphones without an iphone or wlan being nearby? I'd like something like that to make jogging and other boring chores bearable.

        edit series 5's EKG is quite interesting though.

        edit2 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204691 yea, seems possible

        1. smores
          Link Parent
          This is primarily how I use my Apple Watch; for listening to music and podcasts while running, without my phone. I have the Series 3 with cellular, so I tend not to download things in advance, but...

          This is primarily how I use my Apple Watch; for listening to music and podcasts while running, without my phone. I have the Series 3 with cellular, so I tend not to download things in advance, but there are apps that let you do that even without cellular (I'm like 99% sure). It's really, really awesome, I absolutely love it.

          1 vote
    3. [2]
      Fdashstop
      Link Parent
      Might wanna make 1 comment and then add edits with timestamps, to help declutter

      Might wanna make 1 comment and then add edits with timestamps, to help declutter

      1. JXM
        Link Parent
        Edited GP to make it clear we can put Apple Watch stuff here.

        Edited GP to make it clear we can put Apple Watch stuff here.

        1 vote
    4. [3]
      Kenny
      Link Parent
      500 series 5 entry price is killer. I got a series 3 when it was new for 350ish, if i remember correctly.

      500 series 5 entry price is killer. I got a series 3 when it was new for 350ish, if i remember correctly.

      1. [2]
        JXM
        Link Parent
        It's $400 for the Series 5.

        It's $400 for the Series 5.

        1 vote
  7. [3]
    babypuncher
    Link
    New iPad actually starts at $329 for non-education buyers. iPhone 8 is $449. I think it might be time to upgrade my series 2 Apple Watch.

    New iPad actually starts at $329 for non-education buyers. iPhone 8 is $449.

    I think it might be time to upgrade my series 2 Apple Watch.

    3 votes
    1. [2]
      sandaltree
      Link Parent
      Europeans getting the short end of the stick with 399€ ($441) :/ I don’t know why the pricing is so crazy different. Now I’m debating over getting the new iPad for general stuff/work or the Switch...

      Europeans getting the short end of the stick with 399€ ($441) :/ I don’t know why the pricing is so crazy different.

      Now I’m debating over getting the new iPad for general stuff/work or the Switch for funsies..

      1 vote
      1. timo
        Link Parent
        Electronics are generally cheaper in the US and these US prices are without VAT, since that differs by state.

        Electronics are generally cheaper in the US and these US prices are without VAT, since that differs by state.

        1 vote
  8. WinterCharm
    Link
    That See trailer was fucking incredible :D

    That See trailer was fucking incredible :D

    2 votes
  9. Fdashstop
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    Link
    1 year of free Apple TV+ with every apple product? Holy cow, they've turned me around on it fast Edit(10:23 AM): Well the iPad rumours were true, wonder what else is coming? Starts at the same...

    1 year of free Apple TV+ with every apple product? Holy cow, they've turned me around on it fast
    Edit(10:23 AM): Well the iPad rumours were true, wonder what else is coming? Starts at the same price as the old iPad too
    Edit(10:30 AM): "He's going out to cut the grass" Ad that's building up for a new Apple Watch

    2 votes
  10. [8]
    balooga
    Link
    iPhone 11 Discussion I love those colors.

    iPhone 11 Discussion

    I love those colors.

    2 votes
    1. emdash
      Link Parent
      The iPhone 11 Pro has four camera bumps. That's 1.33 bumps per camera.

      The iPhone 11 Pro has four camera bumps. That's 1.33 bumps per camera.

      3 votes
    2. Tau_Zero
      Link Parent
      I think it's finally time to upgrade my old 6 Plus. The battery life is generally ok (did the free replacement), though I can almost watch it tick down when I play a game. Performance has been...

      I think it's finally time to upgrade my old 6 Plus. The battery life is generally ok (did the free replacement), though I can almost watch it tick down when I play a game. Performance has been getting a bit sluggish, but still mostly usable. My biggest gripes are first-gen TouchID is absolute garbage outside of perfect conditions, so I have to use the passcode more often than the touch works, and I'm finding that apps have gotten to the point where the 6P struggles to hold more than one in memory at a time, having to completely reload when switching back and forth. Both are infuriating, but the latter completely breaks functionality like single-sign on when a separate app has to open. e.g. game allows linking to FB, FB app automatically opens and link is approved, automatically switch back to game with result... but game had already been evicted from memory, so has to cold reopen and the result is lost completely.

      A bit disappointed that the 11 Pro still starts at 64GB; I've never run into the limit on my 6P, but with things like 4K content and larger apps along with the low price of storage these days, I would have liked to see at least 128GB. I assume at this point it's just done for price anchoring. The reset of the phone is really exciting for someone a few generations behind, and after seeing the difference between first and second gen TouchID, I'm more than happy to pick up a new phone during a refinement year (11 is basically an XSS). I think i'd like to go with a Pro instead of Pro Max based on the body size, as it's a larger screen but also smaller body than my 6P. Only question is whether to go with the classic Space Grey or Midnight Green. Probably have to see them in store to decide.

      1 vote
    3. JXM
      (edited )
      Link Parent
      That green one is gorgeous. But man, that camera bump is huge. And it looks like it's ultrawide and regular, no zoom. That tap and hold for video is a great feature that should have been added...

      That green one is gorgeous.

      But man, that camera bump is huge. And it looks like it's ultrawide and regular, no zoom.

      That tap and hold for video is a great feature that should have been added years ago. Since you can take a still in a video, might as well be able to go the other way.

      FINALLY, high end phones with colors!

      Guys...they're calling it the iPhone 11 Pro Max. That's an undisputedly terrible name.

      EDIT: Yay, more game demos!

    4. [4]
      balooga
      Link Parent
      Oh good, they're still selling my iPhone 8 so I'm not obsolete yet, haha — I'm still totally satisfied with mine, it's a great phone that feels fast and takes terrific photos and video for my needs.

      Oh good, they're still selling my iPhone 8 so I'm not obsolete yet, haha — I'm still totally satisfied with mine, it's a great phone that feels fast and takes terrific photos and video for my needs.

      1. JXM
        Link Parent
        For $450, it's a great competitor for lower cost Android phones.

        For $450, it's a great competitor for lower cost Android phones.

        3 votes
      2. Parliament
        Link Parent
        Even if they did stop selling the 8, iPhones hold value incredibly well. I sold an iPhone 6 (with 128 GB) on ebay for $250 in October 2017. I've had an iPhone 6S+ since then and am still really...

        Even if they did stop selling the 8, iPhones hold value incredibly well. I sold an iPhone 6 (with 128 GB) on ebay for $250 in October 2017.

        I've had an iPhone 6S+ since then and am still really happy with it.

        1 vote
      3. Douglas
        Link Parent
        I'm on the 6s still, aside from the battery life that's been tanked via iOS updates, it's still doing OK.

        I'm on the 6s still, aside from the battery life that's been tanked via iOS updates, it's still doing OK.

        1 vote
  11. balooga
    Link
    Thanks for the link, I'm watching live. That opening animation was pretty slick, I really liked the connections between so many Apple designs. Looking forward to today's announcements.

    Thanks for the link, I'm watching live. That opening animation was pretty slick, I really liked the connections between so many Apple designs. Looking forward to today's announcements.

    1 vote
  12. JXM
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    Apple TV + Discussion Wow, $4.99 per month for Apple TV+ is a good deal. I was wondering how they were going to go up against Disney since they have so much more content. I guess price is the...

    Apple TV + Discussion

    Wow, $4.99 per month for Apple TV+ is a good deal. I was wondering how they were going to go up against Disney since they have so much more content. I guess price is the answer.

    A free year with purchase of an Apple device is a nice add on too.

    1 vote
  13. [17]
    nothis
    Link
    I'll never get this.

    Apple's website stream - requires safari or edge

    I'll never get this.

    2 votes
    1. [15]
      emdash
      Link Parent
      Edge & Safari are the only two browsers to support HEVC/H.265 video—which is the likely reason behind this support matrix. Firefox & Chrome are on AV1. This actually isn't surprising given Apple...

      Edge & Safari are the only two browsers to support HEVC/H.265 video—which is the likely reason behind this support matrix. Firefox & Chrome are on AV1. This actually isn't surprising given Apple is all in on H.265 (newly configured iOS and macOS devices optimise images and videos taken in Photos.app by compressing to HEIF and HEVC respectively).

      I don't expect Apple to budge on this.

      10 votes
      1. [3]
        nothis
        Link Parent
        But why not check for browser compatibility and provide an alternative stream? It's not like this is a budget/effort issue for a company like Apple. They're trying to make a statement, here, but...

        But why not check for browser compatibility and provide an alternative stream? It's not like this is a budget/effort issue for a company like Apple. They're trying to make a statement, here, but no one else (literally) is pushing this, nothing will be changed just for Apple's live streams so this is basically just an effort to make their website incompatible with both the most popular browser in the world (Chrome) and the idealists' choice (Firefox). In the end, it just makes them look stubborn for a really stupid reason.

        4 votes
        1. WinterCharm
          Link Parent
          Well, this is why this year they're doing the stream on Youtube for everyone else. And the reason they aren't changing it up is because the stream is actually broadcast from Apple TV / iTunes...

          Well, this is why this year they're doing the stream on Youtube for everyone else.

          And the reason they aren't changing it up is because the stream is actually broadcast from Apple TV / iTunes servers that send 4K HDR Video to Apple TVs. It's an in-place system being adapted to live stream an event, and there isn't transcode / serve an alternative functionality built in.

          Instead of wasting time developing a feature for a few keynotes a year, they're also live streaming it on their YouTube channel this year... so everyone can watch :P

          5 votes
        2. mike10010100
          Link Parent
          Apple selectively promotes their own solutions to problems with complete inflexibility. In other news, sky is blue, water makes things wet.

          Apple selectively promotes their own solutions to problems with complete inflexibility.

          In other news, sky is blue, water makes things wet.

          1 vote
      2. [10]
        WinterCharm
        (edited )
        Link Parent
        Also, keep in mind that Firefox and Chrome are actually on VP9 right now, as AV1 remains experimental. Thankfully, Apple and Microsoft are part of the contributing bodies to AV1, and it seems to...

        Also, keep in mind that Firefox and Chrome are actually on VP9 right now, as AV1 remains experimental.

        Thankfully, Apple and Microsoft are part of the contributing bodies to AV1, and it seems to be the setup for a very good, royalty free, and ultra-compatible future standard.

        It's still in active development though - right now, if you use multithread encoding / decoding with AV1 you end up with 30% smaller file sizes, but you're unable to achieve a lossless transcode (when set to lossless) which is a problem. When using single threaded encoding / decoding, you still cannot create a lossless transcode, although quality is much better. So there is much work to be done.

        When set to Lossy, the codec completely outperforms VP9 and HEVC in file size. The problem is that the current implementation takes a long time to encode / decode, and only single thread decoding is available right now, making it about 20x less energy efficient than HEVC. One of the advantages of HEVC / H.265 over VP9 and AV1 is that it's able to fully utilize all threads at 100% during encode and decode, making it (currently) more energy efficient than either VP9 or AV1 (talking about software decoding here). All this could be solved with an open source hardware encoder/decoder for AV1, but we're a few years away, still.

        I'm not at all dinging AV1 for that, though, because it is early days and it's being actively developed right now, and isn't really deployed to consumers yet, so the flaws are forgivable as long as there are plans to fix them. When comparing current formats, HEVC / H.265 has both energy efficiency and file size efficiency over VP9., further boosted by a hardware encode/decode that lifts efficiency even higher is the reason Apple chose the format. Yes, the royalties are a problem - that business model is unsustainable today, and most of the companies who developed HEVC are now onboard with AV1.

        It should be noted that VP9 also has hardware encoding built into later Intel, Qualcomm, and Samsung CPUs. Apple has Hardware HEVC encoding in the A-series (iOS device) and T-series (mac) chips.

        While Apple hasn't baked AV1 support into any of its software (yet), it did join the AV1 group, Alliance for Open Media -- you can bet they'll only add it when it's mature and hardware support exists. I cannot wait - universal standards are a huge deal.

        2 votes
        1. [5]
          Elronnd
          Link Parent
          They could have added support for it, at least to their phones. They own the silicon, and the bitstream is frozen so they wouldn't have to worry about future changes.

          While Apple hasn't baked AV1 support into any of its software (yet), it did join the AV1 group, Alliance for Open Media -- you can bet they'll only add it when it's mature and hardware support exists. I cannot wait - universal standards are a huge deal.

          They could have added support for it, at least to their phones. They own the silicon, and the bitstream is frozen so they wouldn't have to worry about future changes.

          1. [3]
            babypuncher
            Link Parent
            It sounds like AV1 isn't quite ready for every day use yet.

            It sounds like AV1 isn't quite ready for every day use yet.

            1. [2]
              Elronnd
              Link Parent
              ? Yes it is. The only thing that's missing is encoding/decoding speed, which apple can relatively easily fix if they add hardware acceleration for it.

              ? Yes it is. The only thing that's missing is encoding/decoding speed, which apple can relatively easily fix if they add hardware acceleration for it.

              1. babypuncher
                Link Parent
                The spec was finalized only recently, nobody has had time to implement it in hardware. A software decoder would likely be hell on mobile device batteries. I wouldn't expect to see any real use...

                The spec was finalized only recently, nobody has had time to implement it in hardware. A software decoder would likely be hell on mobile device batteries. I wouldn't expect to see any real use until sometime next year.

                1 vote
          2. WinterCharm
            Link Parent
            Yes, but there isn't much of a point when AV1 isn't ready to go. Those transistors can be put towards other stuff that's more useful right now.

            Yes, but there isn't much of a point when AV1 isn't ready to go. Those transistors can be put towards other stuff that's more useful right now.

        2. [4]
          babypuncher
          Link Parent
          What kind of compression can we expect from AV1 in lossless mode? In other lossless codecs the results are still far to big to be practical for end users.

          if you use multithread encoding / decoding with AV1 you end up with 30% smaller file sizes, but you're unable to achieve a lossless transcode (when set to lossless) which is a problem. When using single threaded encoding / decoding, you still cannot create a lossless transcode

          What kind of compression can we expect from AV1 in lossless mode? In other lossless codecs the results are still far to big to be practical for end users.

          1. [3]
            WinterCharm
            Link Parent
            AV's lossless compression ratio is quite good. https://www.texpion.com/2018/07/av1-vs-vp9-vs-avc-h264-vs-hevc-h265-1-lossless.html See testing done here. Of note, though, even in lossless mode,...

            AV's lossless compression ratio is quite good.

            https://www.texpion.com/2018/07/av1-vs-vp9-vs-avc-h264-vs-hevc-h265-1-lossless.html

            See testing done here. Of note, though, even in lossless mode, AV1 is technically lossy (still buggy and in development). That was as of version 1.0.0-21-g96ee0eb45 (summer 2018). Updated versions should be fixed now, but obviously, performance will be worse than what is shown in those charts right now.

            Between the two tests (different source footage) we saw 700MB >> 89MB and 330 MB >> 110MB, so somewhere between 3:1 and 11:1 compression ratios depending on the content of the video.

            Just keep in mind it's still buggy and not technically lossless due to some bugs that weren't worked out last summer.

            1 vote
            1. [2]
              babypuncher
              Link Parent
              I'm not sure even 11:1 is really good enough for end users. At 4K 24hz with 10 bits per color we are still looking at 7.6 gigabytes per minute of video. A 2-hour movie will be almost a terabyte....

              I'm not sure even 11:1 is really good enough for end users. At 4K 24hz with 10 bits per color we are still looking at 7.6 gigabytes per minute of video. A 2-hour movie will be almost a terabyte.

              This does sound viable in a video production environment, but it's contingent on being able to encode that in real time. My understanding is that these environments still use lossy compression from the camera all the way to the editing bay. If a hardware AV1 encoder can achieve this in real time, then we have something interesting.

              1. WinterCharm
                Link Parent
                Yeah, I totally understand. Right now, the CPU time on AV1 lossless encoding is STUPID high, and I'm not sure if there are designs for a hardware encoder yet. I hope it catches on, but we're in...

                Yeah, I totally understand. Right now, the CPU time on AV1 lossless encoding is STUPID high, and I'm not sure if there are designs for a hardware encoder yet. I hope it catches on, but we're in the early days for sure. Right now the two best codecs (that are actually out and in use) are HEVC and VP9

                1 vote
      3. babypuncher
        Link Parent
        Most hardware has native support for HEVC, Chrome and Firefox should enable playback on those devices at the very least.

        Most hardware has native support for HEVC, Chrome and Firefox should enable playback on those devices at the very least.

    2. WinterCharm
      (edited )
      Link Parent
      They use HLS -- HTTP Live Streaming which is a feature that some browsers choose not to support, and over HLS they are transmitting HEVC / H.265 video, which again, only a subset of browsers use....

      They use HLS -- HTTP Live Streaming which is a feature that some browsers choose not to support, and over HLS they are transmitting HEVC / H.265 video, which again, only a subset of browsers use.

      Here is a comprehensive list of all browsers that support HLS

  14. [2]
    JXM
    Link
    Not sure how we're doing comments here...I feel weird making multiple top level comments!

    Not sure how we're doing comments here...I feel weird making multiple top level comments!

    2 votes
    1. WinterCharm
      Link Parent
      Let comments get nested based on topic.

      Let comments get nested based on topic.

      3 votes