48 votes

How many users are here now?

Just curious how popular this place is now.

38 comments

  1. [19]
    gpl
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    Honestly, based on vote totals and the frequency of user comments I would estimate there's only about 2-300 active users. There's probably a decent amount of lurkers on top of that, but I don't...

    Honestly, based on vote totals and the frequency of user comments I would estimate there's only about 2-300 active users. There's probably a decent amount of lurkers on top of that, but I don't think the subscriber numbers are a super accurate estimate of site usage.

    31 votes
    1. [16]
      Deimos
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      Subscriber numbers definitely aren't very useful, and I'm actually planning to remove them soon along with some of the major updates to how you "subscribe"/filter/etc., because subscribing will be...

      Subscriber numbers definitely aren't very useful, and I'm actually planning to remove them soon along with some of the major updates to how you "subscribe"/filter/etc., because subscribing will be pretty meaningless once that's in place.

      I don't keep very detailed stats, but some quick things I can check easily:

      • About 1100 different logged-in users have done some kind of action on the site in the last 30 days, based on the "log" data I have (which I only keep for 30 days).
      • About 700 different users have voted on something in the last 30 days.
      • About 500 different users have posted at least one comment in the last 30 days.
      • About 200 different users have posted at least one topic in the last 30 days.

      Like you said, there are a decent number of lurkers too, as well as people that just read the site but don't have an account. Usually somewhere in the 30-50% range of the traffic is from logged-out users (excluding common bots/scrapers).

      42 votes
      1. [10]
        unknown user
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        Which direction are these statistics trending? I'd like to see a tad more activity, if I'm honest. Not at the detriment of quality, mind you.

        Which direction are these statistics trending? I'd like to see a tad more activity, if I'm honest. Not at the detriment of quality, mind you.

        8 votes
        1. [9]
          Deimos
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          The site's activity has been in about the same range for months now, it hasn't really been changing significantly. We'll probably need another influx of users or something that brings a fair...

          The site's activity has been in about the same range for months now, it hasn't really been changing significantly. We'll probably need another influx of users or something that brings a fair amount of attention to the site for it to change.

          15 votes
          1. [8]
            Algernon_Asimov
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            I assume there was a statistically noticeable drop in activity when that one highly active user got banned. Also, the overall activity does feel like it has been gradually dropping over time. Not...

            I assume there was a statistically noticeable drop in activity when that one highly active user got banned.

            Also, the overall activity does feel like it has been gradually dropping over time. Not falling off a cliff, just a gentle downward slope.

            3 votes
            1. [4]
              Amarok
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              We still have the official invite threads in /r/tildes. Those are essentially 'post a reply, get an invite' and there's still invites@tildes.net. We're still getting slow but steady activity in...

              We still have the official invite threads in /r/tildes. Those are essentially 'post a reply, get an invite' and there's still invites@tildes.net. We're still getting slow but steady activity in the threads there, ten people a week seems to be the rest pulse unless reddit's stirring the pot somehow. The difference is, now those people are the ones we know want to participate, since they don't need an invite to look anymore. So we're adding ten users a week just from /r/tildes during the slow periods, and potentially hundreds on a hot day. Not sure about the rate coming from emails, as that would mostly be non-redditors.

              7 votes
              1. [3]
                Algernon_Asimov
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                I know we're still inviting people. That's not what I was saying. I was saying it still feels like Tildes is getting slightly less active. Remember the 90:9:1 ratio. Of those 10 users per week,...

                I know we're still inviting people. That's not what I was saying. I was saying it still feels like Tildes is getting slightly less active.

                Remember the 90:9:1 ratio. Of those 10 users per week, only 1 of them will comment and about zero of them will post topics. And, out of those hundreds on a hot day, only 2 or 3 will be active posters. Even if people are joining Tildes, that doesn't mean they're active.

                I'll also add that I've noticed the high-activity long-term users are becoming slightly less active (and I include myself in that). Looking at your own recent posted topics, for example, shows a gradually decreasing number of new topics over time. The new people we're inviting might only be replacing the activity that the old hands are no longer providing.

                In short: more invites does not necessarily lead to more activity.

                2 votes
                1. [2]
                  Amarok
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                  Yeah, I've had some RL shit land in my lap in epic style so I've had a lot less time to lurk or post.

                  Yeah, I've had some RL shit land in my lap in epic style so I've had a lot less time to lurk or post.

                  2 votes
                  1. Algernon_Asimov
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                    This isn't about you personally. I was just showing you that we old-timers have dropped our activity (it's not only you & me). So newcomers might just be replacing the activity lost from...

                    This isn't about you personally. I was just showing you that we old-timers have dropped our activity (it's not only you & me). So newcomers might just be replacing the activity lost from old-timers, rather than adding more activity overall.

                    1 vote
            2. [3]
              Icarus
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              We are trending at about 31 posts per day on average for September. For other months, we reached almost 44 posts per day at our peak this year. For comments, we are at 164 comments per day for...

              We are trending at about 31 posts per day on average for September. For other months, we reached almost 44 posts per day at our peak this year.

              For comments, we are at 164 comments per day for September so far compared to ~222 comments per day for the past few months.

              January was by far the worst month though. 136 comments per day and 22 posts per day on average.

              3 votes
              1. [2]
                Algernon_Asimov
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                Are you saying that my feeling is right - that activity is slowly and gradually trending downward?

                Are you saying that my feeling is right - that activity is slowly and gradually trending downward?

                1. Icarus
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                  Generally, yes. YoY pretty much. I'm curious if we will see the December/January slump this year. year month post count 2018 5 1325 2018 6 1983 2018 7 1394 2018 8 1932 2018 9 1357 2018 10 1321...

                  Generally, yes. YoY pretty much. I'm curious if we will see the December/January slump this year.

                  year month post count
                  2018 5 1325
                  2018 6 1983
                  2018 7 1394
                  2018 8 1932
                  2018 9 1357
                  2018 10 1321
                  2018 11 917
                  2018 12 712
                  2019 1 701
                  2019 2 1075
                  2019 3 1189
                  2019 4 1167
                  2019 5 1354
                  2019 6 1268
                  2019 7 1327
                  2019 8 1237
                  2019 9 589
                  10 votes
      2. [5]
        vili
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        This sounds exciting. Is there a post somewhere that I could read to learn more about these plans? Just the other day, I was thinking about social media subscription models and pondering why they...

        I'm actually planning to remove them soon along with some of the major updates to how you "subscribe"/filter/etc., because subscribing will be pretty meaningless once that's in place.

        This sounds exciting. Is there a post somewhere that I could read to learn more about these plans?

        Just the other day, I was thinking about social media subscription models and pondering why they are always binary (subscribed vs unsubscribed), rather than allowing more control and flexibility. I actually even wrote a post about it for Tildes but didn't end up submitting it as I felt like I hadn't quite managed to figure out where I was going with the post in the end.

        2 votes
        1. [4]
          Deimos
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          There's nothing formally written up, but the goal is to let people set up different "views" for the different types of content they're interested in, and the ways they like to view it. For...

          There's nothing formally written up, but the goal is to let people set up different "views" for the different types of content they're interested in, and the ways they like to view it.

          For example, maybe someone wants a "non-US news" view that shows the highest-voted posts from ~news in the last 24 hours, filtering out all posts with the "usa" tag, as well as filtering out any links to nytimes.com (if they don't have a subscription or way of bypassing the paywall).

          Someone else might want a "weekend reading" view that takes the highest-voted posts from any group from the past week that either have the "long read" tag or a word count higher than 3000.

          So the goal is just to be able to have a flexible enough system to support different kinds of uses like that, and make it possible for people to more easily see what they want to (and avoid what they don't want to).

          9 votes
          1. [3]
            vili
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            This sounds really good. Do you think this will, down the line, develop Tildes towards more of an "inbox model" than a "frontpage model" (terms I think I have made up), where these views could be...

            This sounds really good. Do you think this will, down the line, develop Tildes towards more of an "inbox model" than a "frontpage model" (terms I think I have made up), where these views could be saved and they would function like folders/labels in an email program or categories in an RSS reader?

            When I open either of those types of programs, I immediately see what's on offer and how many posts each category has that needs my attention. I'd love the same here, as the front page can be quite a mixture of a wide variety of things and it makes it difficult to find something that I'm interested in right now. This is of course typical for social media websites, but also a user experience that I'm personally not particularly fond of.

            Also, a bit like with email programs and RSS readers, I'd love to be able to permanently hide posts that I'm not interested in, as well as temporarily hide posts that I'm not going to contribute to now but would like to keep an eye on for discussion.

            So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that if the "frontpage model" has the service feeding me things (which is a brilliant model if your main goal is generating advertising clicks), the "inbox model" is one where the user has the control over the content that they see, making it easier for them to navigate and engage with the content. I'm not sure if that makes sense?

            6 votes
            1. [2]
              Deimos
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              I think that's an interesting way of thinking of it, yeah. The views are definitely intended to be saved and looked at separately and repeatedly. I'm not sure that it fits fully into the "inbox"...

              I think that's an interesting way of thinking of it, yeah. The views are definitely intended to be saved and looked at separately and repeatedly. I'm not sure that it fits fully into the "inbox" idea since being "finished" with a particular topic isn't quite as clear when you have ongoing discussions, but there might also be some interesting ways to handle that since we do have the tracking of new comments in each topic.

              Being able to hide/ignore posts is definitely planned, as well as actual RSS feeds for listings (which should be able to include the "views"), so you could potentially even manage it through your own RSS reader instead of the site itself, if you prefer.

              3 votes
              1. vili
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                The tracking of new comments is one of my favourite features of Tildes. It makes it so much easier to see what's new and interesting. I think there are at least two different ways in which one...

                The tracking of new comments is one of my favourite features of Tildes. It makes it so much easier to see what's new and interesting.

                I think there are at least two different ways in which one could be "finished" with a topic. One is when you currently don't have anything to contribute to it, but are interested in following the discussion. In this case, the post could be hidden from view unless there are new comments. If you think about email clients that "thread" conversations, this would be a bit like archiving an email in them: the email thread disappears from view, but jumps back into the inbox when there's a new reply to it.

                The other option would be to just hide the topic forever, when I'm simply not interested in the topic at all and don't care about the discussion.

                Of course, it would be great if there was also a third option, with which I could hide an uninteresting topic entirely, but ask the system to show that topic to me again if there is a particularly highly rated comment or comment thread in it. Sometimes the most interesting comments are on topics outside of my bubble that I thought I would never really be interested in.

                Similar kind of flexibility would be nice also with subscriptions or views. Instead of deciding between the binary choices of "subscribed" or "not subscribed", it would be great to have the possibility to subscribe in a way that shows only highly voted posts, or subscribe in a way that shows only posts that have high quality discussion. Based on what you wrote, it sounds like views might allow exactly this, so I'm really looking forward to that.

                Of course, like you said, once RSS feeds or API access becomes possible, one can also start to craft their user experience as they want it. Actually, in over a decade of using reddit, I have looked at my front page there just a handful of times. Very early on, due to my dislike of unorganized front pages, I took advantage of their json apis and wrote scripts that filter subreddits and serve new posts to me by RSS. Each subreddit of course also has a default RSS feed, but their json allows for easier filtering through things like vote and comment counts. It's made it much easier to not just organise the subreddits into different categories but also to filter the signal from the noise. I have had similar scripts running for other social media websites as well, although it's tougher to meaningfully extract data from them.

                3 votes
    2. Brock_Knifemann
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      Don't forget the dozens of on-again off-agains like myself. I'll use Tildes frequently for like a month or so and then forget about it for 6 months or more, only to remember it again and repeat...

      I would estimate there's only about 2-300 active users. There's probably a decent amount of lurkers on top of that.

      Don't forget the dozens of on-again off-agains like myself. I'll use Tildes frequently for like a month or so and then forget about it for 6 months or more, only to remember it again and repeat the cycle.

      3 votes
    3. [2]
      Comment deleted by author
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      1. gpl
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        Yeah I basically assumed that only 10% of active users will vote on a given post even though that seems low. My initial estimate was closer to 100-150 but that seemed very low.

        Yeah I basically assumed that only 10% of active users will vote on a given post even though that seems low. My initial estimate was closer to 100-150 but that seemed very low.

        3 votes
  2. [13]
    Homicide
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    Not that popular. Though I do like it this way. Comments feel more genuine and well-thought unlike reddit which recently had a huge influx of users from other social media sites.

    Not that popular. Though I do like it this way.

    Comments feel more genuine and well-thought unlike reddit which recently had a huge influx of users from other social media sites.

    13 votes
    1. [10]
      nothis
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      I feel like this site could easily go into ~100,000 territory if it wanted to? I actually don't know what Deimos' current plan is, if this is still intentionally held low.

      I feel like this site could easily go into ~100,000 territory if it wanted to? I actually don't know what Deimos' current plan is, if this is still intentionally held low.

      6 votes
      1. [5]
        Algernon_Asimov
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        The numbers are held intentionally low for now, but that's because Tildes is still an unfinished work in progress which is still in alpha testing. Based on what Deimos has said, it seems like his...

        The numbers are held intentionally low for now, but that's because Tildes is still an unfinished work in progress which is still in alpha testing.

        Based on what Deimos has said, it seems like his focus is on maintaining a sustainable rate of growth, rather than capping the total number of subscribers - and, for now, Tildes (and Deimos) can only handle a low rate of growth, because slow growth gives us time to acculturate newcomers without being overrun by newbies who don't get what Tildes is about.

        The long-term plan is to get to 100,000... and then some. But not yet.

        14 votes
        1. DangerChips
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          I never thought of it that way but now that I do, I really appreciate the slow but steady approach. Reddit originally had a more nerdy/tech slant, but with the "Eternal September" that Reddit...

          slow growth gives us time to acculturate newcomers

          I never thought of it that way but now that I do, I really appreciate the slow but steady approach. Reddit originally had a more nerdy/tech slant, but with the "Eternal September" that Reddit Experienced there was no indoctrination and instead the culture was completely taken over for the worse IMO. Now there's a pool of edgy Midwestern 12 year old's sharing nazi propaganda with Russian trolls.

          So letting a slower amount of users is totally a huge plus for. I also prefer the community here for the most part as it feels like a.. idk, a community. I only find that on smaller more niche subreddits these days.

          12 votes
        2. [3]
          nothis
          Link Parent
          I don't really track numbers but I've seen around 10,000 for about a year now, i.e. no real growth? Again, I'm pretty sure that's by design but I'm not sure.

          I don't really track numbers but I've seen around 10,000 for about a year now, i.e. no real growth? Again, I'm pretty sure that's by design but I'm not sure.

          1. [2]
            Algernon_Asimov
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            Actually, we passed 10,000 subscribers six months ago. But, still, that means we've added only 1,000 subscribers in 6 months. That's slow growth.

            Actually, we passed 10,000 subscribers six months ago. But, still, that means we've added only 1,000 subscribers in 6 months. That's slow growth.

            1 vote
            1. cfabbro
              (edited )
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              Worth keeping in mind is that a majority of those initial 10k came here before the site was publicly visible so many of them were merely curious, didn't really know what to expect here, and are...

              Worth keeping in mind is that a majority of those initial 10k came here before the site was publicly visible so many of them were merely curious, didn't really know what to expect here, and are likely now either gone for good or perpetually lurking as a result. Whereas the 1k added in the last 6 months are all people who could see the site beforehand so knew what to expect, and wanted an invite so they could actually participate, which means they are likely more invested than many of the 10k.

              7 votes
      2. [4]
        LiLyyy-yuri
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        Actually kinda surprised that Tildes is still invite-only.

        Actually kinda surprised that Tildes is still invite-only.

        2 votes
        1. [4]
          Comment deleted by author
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          1. [3]
            timo
            Link Parent
            We get a lot of invites to give, but are they used? I only invite people who I believe would fit here and so far I've only used a handful.

            even though invites get given out like candy

            We get a lot of invites to give, but are they used? I only invite people who I believe would fit here and so far I've only used a handful.

            3 votes
            1. [2]
              Algernon_Asimov
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              The point @Bauke was making is that, even though Tildes is invite-only, which would imply that signing up here is restricted, the invites are readily available so that, in effect, there really is...

              The point @Bauke was making is that, even though Tildes is invite-only, which would imply that signing up here is restricted, the invites are readily available so that, in effect, there really is no restriction. We could all hand out 10 invites today, and then ask Deimos for 10 more, and then 10 more, and 10 more, and so on. I've even seen Deimos offer to give people as many invites as they need, if they want to invite a lot of people.

              Tildes being invite-only isn't as restricted as people might think.

              4 votes
              1. Deimos
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                The login page also just tells people to read the announcement post for info about requesting an invite, and the announcement post tells people to email me and ask. Almost everyone that emails me...

                The login page also just tells people to read the announcement post for info about requesting an invite, and the announcement post tells people to email me and ask. Almost everyone that emails me is just given an invite within a day or so. Anyone that wants an invite can get one very easily with minimal effort.

                5 votes
    2. [2]
      elcuello
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      What influx is that? Maybe I'm becoming immune to it but /r/all is shit like it's been for a LONG time.

      What influx is that? Maybe I'm becoming immune to it but /r/all is shit like it's been for a LONG time.

      2 votes
      1. [2]
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        1. Sahasrahla
          Link Parent
          Off topic but I missed the news that Google+ finally shut down. I'm actually kind of sad because I was hoping GeoCities Japan (which was still around!) would outlast them so I could always be a...

          Off topic but I missed the news that Google+ finally shut down. I'm actually kind of sad because I was hoping GeoCities Japan (which was still around!) would outlast them so I could always be a hit at parties by sharing the fun fact that GeoCities outlasted Google+

          ...Google+ was shut down for business use and consumers on April 2, 2019.

          The GeoCities Japan version of the service shut down on March 31, 2019.

          So close :(

          4 votes
  3. [2]
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    1. vakieh
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      That assumes everyone who has ever left deleted their account, and that nobody has any alts.

      That assumes everyone who has ever left deleted their account, and that nobody has any alts.

      5 votes
  4. zigzagzig
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    I like lurking here, I primarily sort by "votes" the past 24hr - 3 days (depending on how long it's been since I last visited)

    I like lurking here, I primarily sort by "votes" the past 24hr - 3 days (depending on how long it's been since I last visited)

    8 votes
  5. Eric_the_Cerise
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    My dos centavos. Tildes is still in development and we are all Guinea pigs for Deimos. However, day-to-day, I forget that and just use the site as intended, a better-quality Reddit alternative ......

    My dos centavos. Tildes is still in development and we are all Guinea pigs for Deimos. However, day-to-day, I forget that and just use the site as intended, a better-quality Reddit alternative ... or something like that.

    I visit almost daily, but usually just for a few min, skim-read the newest titles, maybe dig into 2-3, maybe not. Too often, I don't have time to comment or post, too often, I forget to even vote. It's my routine.

    But I am here, often, and I do appreciate the thoughtful content I see here, as well as the framework being built to support it.

    4 votes
  6. MetArtScroll
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    Generally, a good proxy is the number of subscribers to ~tildes.official, so there are approximately 11K user accounts. However, some users may unsubscribe from that subgroup, and, more...

    Generally, a good proxy is the number of subscribers to ~tildes.official, so there are approximately 11K user accounts.

    However, some users may unsubscribe from that subgroup, and, more importantly, multiple accounts aka alts are counted separately.

    2 votes
  7. [2]
    envy
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    Probably more than you think. According to this thread, approximately 90% of people are lurkers, 9% participate, and 1% submit new content E.g. 6 years ago, /r/askreddit got about 1.5 million...

    Probably more than you think.

    According to this thread, approximately 90% of people are lurkers, 9% participate, and 1% submit new content

    E.g. 6 years ago, /r/askreddit got about 1.5 million uniques per day, 110,408 comments and 2,674 submissions.

    Of course, Tildes skews towards those of us more participatory in nature, but I must imagine the number of lurkers or infrequent commenters is still significant.

    2 votes
    1. Amarok
      Link Parent
      Especially since Tildes is open to read. There's no need to even ask for an invite unless you want to participate. You aren't missing out on any functionality. Even the theme selector works...

      Especially since Tildes is open to read. There's no need to even ask for an invite unless you want to participate. You aren't missing out on any functionality. Even the theme selector works without being logged in.

      4 votes