Have to imagine the cybertruck would make a relatively good pursuit vehicle. A car on the receiving end of a pit maneuver from a cybertruck probably wouldn’t fare too well. That said, really don’t...
Have to imagine the cybertruck would make a relatively good pursuit vehicle. A car on the receiving end of a pit maneuver from a cybertruck probably wouldn’t fare too well.
That said, really don’t like the idea of patrol cars being even more aggressive looking. I love the police patrolling on foot or bicycle in my suburb, feel more like they are part of the community vs against the community.
I’d be surprised if more than a handful of these actually make it into police forces though. Same with Tesla Model 3 patrol cars, EVs seem too restrictive for police work (limited range, installing chargers).
In America, at least, this would be a benefit. Give the cops a bulldozer and they are going to find every opportunity to use it, especially if it can cause some gnarly bodily harm.
Have to imagine the cybertruck would make a relatively good pursuit vehicle. A car on the receiving end of a pit maneuver from a cybertruck probably wouldn’t fare too well.
In America, at least, this would be a benefit. Give the cops a bulldozer and they are going to find every opportunity to use it, especially if it can cause some gnarly bodily harm.
It also talks about how police don't really need pursuit cars, it's a big danger to themselves and the general public. For example horses are better in some situations.
It's is a relatively short "Some More News" at only 45 minutes.
Ok but I feel like these use cases are in completely different ballparks. It might look aggressive, but I personally think it looks pretty cool, but I guess the US has a bit of a bad PR situation...
I love the police patrolling on foot or bicycle in my suburb
Ok but I feel like these use cases are in completely different ballparks.
It might look aggressive, but I personally think it looks pretty cool, but I guess the US has a bit of a bad PR situation when it comes to police. (A satirical understatement)
Tesla Model 3 patrol cars, EVs seem too restrictive for police work (limited range, installing chargers).
With the amount of torque these have you'd hope the chase isn't too long. Hardest part would be finding a safe place to perform a maneuver.
Which comes back around to "should we do police chases". The data on them isn't great. There really isn't a "safe" place to do a PIT maneuver, which is why the majority of people that die in...
Which comes back around to "should we do police chases". The data on them isn't great. There really isn't a "safe" place to do a PIT maneuver, which is why the majority of people that die in police chases are passengers or bystanders.
More than half of chases are for traffic violations, not felonies that would require lethal force. There's no federal, or even state, guidance on how they should be performed, when they are necessary, or if information about them should be tracked. There are very few situations where escalating to a chase doesn't just make everything dramatically worse both for people involved and people nearby.
We had a car chase last year in my town, it ended up killing a pedestrian, the city got behind and ended up changing all regulations to do with PIT maneuvers and not allowing police to start or...
We had a car chase last year in my town, it ended up killing a pedestrian, the city got behind and ended up changing all regulations to do with PIT maneuvers and not allowing police to start or take part in a chase, and if they do it can only be under extremely strict requirements.
The 20 year old that was fleeing, was only fleeing from a minor traffic stop, and ended up speeding through a neighborhood, crashing into a fifty year old man. That was one death too many and now the police are rightfully not allowed to take part at all. There is no reason to have a car chase from a minor traffic stop.
Cool and aggressive aren't necessarily exclusive. The one I've seen in person has window tint or something that made it so you couldn't see the driver. That would be pretty scary to get pulled...
Cool and aggressive aren't necessarily exclusive. The one I've seen in person has window tint or something that made it so you couldn't see the driver. That would be pretty scary to get pulled over by. People who are scared sometimes do things they wouldn't otherwise.
I think the longest police chase was 50 miles with the average being about 3.5. I think the top cybertruck has a range of 340 miles so it should be good for a chase or several.
I think the longest police chase was 50 miles with the average being about 3.5. I think the top cybertruck has a range of 340 miles so it should be good for a chase or several.
Another aspect to this for is that police departments need vehicles that are quick, easy, and inexpensive to repair since they have use cases like these intentional crashes. From everything I've...
A car on the receiving end of a pit maneuver from a cybertruck probably wouldn’t fare too well.
Another aspect to this for is that police departments need vehicles that are quick, easy, and inexpensive to repair since they have use cases like these intentional crashes. From everything I've read about Tesla, repairs are neither cheap, easy, or inexpensive.
This is so frustrating. Our police forces are militarizing for combat they don't, or at least shouldn't, be engaging in. If the police what to pull back some semblance of public trust it would be...
This is so frustrating. Our police forces are militarizing for combat they don't, or at least shouldn't, be engaging in. If the police what to pull back some semblance of public trust it would be great to see a return to friendly looking, non-threatening vehicles. The old ford crown royals look like old, benign dogs. Most folks were less intimidated to approach them and makes it feel more like "here is a person I can do to for help" rather than "this is a soldier that will kill me". It doesn't solve the issue of police brutality, but can we at least make our police look like they might want to help? If they want to stick to electric trucks (which also can we move away from anti-pedestrian vehicles?!?!) I'd rather see a Pixar looking Rivian than a fascist future looking cyber truck. Presentation is important and if you look like an invading army, you're more likely to get treated like one. More of this please
I'm in favor, generally, of the UK's approach. Their police uniforms and cars say "construction worker" more than "paramilitary." High-viz, checkerboard patterns, and the vehicles tend to be...
I'm in favor, generally, of the UK's approach. Their police uniforms and cars say "construction worker" more than "paramilitary." High-viz, checkerboard patterns, and the vehicles tend to be compact, efficient hatchback types instead of big SUVs.
They also don't carry guns. They get a telescoping baton or such, and can call a dedicated armed response van if it's merited. (Seemed to work fairly well in the 2017 London Bridge attack, and at least one officer already there engaged the attackers with only a baton before the armed response.)
Public safety workers should look and act the part.
Are they even coming? Humane Ai Pins are available on the market, but they're definitely never going to arrive. It's highly unlikely that Cybertrucks will catch on with police. They're expensive...
Are they even coming?
Humane Ai Pins are available on the market, but they're definitely never going to arrive.
It's highly unlikely that Cybertrucks will catch on with police. They're expensive to buy and repair, and repairs have extremely long turnaround times (4+ weeks).
I'm hoping no one actually buys one. I'm sure some small department will, and it'll be fucking dumb. I don't think the police need access to any military grade equipment or what not, but if...
I'm hoping no one actually buys one. I'm sure some small department will, and it'll be fucking dumb. I don't think the police need access to any military grade equipment or what not, but if they're going to spend the money to get that kind of thing, there are better options than some half truck misstep.
Admittedly, which I why I agree with you, it should be tagged. That said, the Venn diagram of "militarized" and "Cybertruck" has a very tiny slice of overlap, I feel, that which is more about...
Admittedly, which I why I agree with you, it should be tagged. That said, the Venn diagram of "militarized" and "Cybertruck" has a very tiny slice of overlap, I feel, that which is more about supporting the manufacturer with a visible statement than actually possessing a useful vehicle, and also possessing the funds to be able to do so.
Have to imagine the cybertruck would make a relatively good pursuit vehicle. A car on the receiving end of a pit maneuver from a cybertruck probably wouldn’t fare too well.
That said, really don’t like the idea of patrol cars being even more aggressive looking. I love the police patrolling on foot or bicycle in my suburb, feel more like they are part of the community vs against the community.
I’d be surprised if more than a handful of these actually make it into police forces though. Same with Tesla Model 3 patrol cars, EVs seem too restrictive for police work (limited range, installing chargers).
In America, at least, this would be a benefit. Give the cops a bulldozer and they are going to find every opportunity to use it, especially if it can cause some gnarly bodily harm.
Here is a video that came out yesterday which talks about the dangers of police chases in general and has a part about how bad pit maneuvers are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkJ_R1V8kO8&pp=ygUOc29tZSBtb3JlIG5ld3M%3D
It also talks about how police don't really need pursuit cars, it's a big danger to themselves and the general public. For example horses are better in some situations.
It's is a relatively short "Some More News" at only 45 minutes.
Ok but I feel like these use cases are in completely different ballparks.
It might look aggressive, but I personally think it looks pretty cool, but I guess the US has a bit of a bad PR situation when it comes to police. (A satirical understatement)
With the amount of torque these have you'd hope the chase isn't too long. Hardest part would be finding a safe place to perform a maneuver.
Which comes back around to "should we do police chases". The data on them isn't great. There really isn't a "safe" place to do a PIT maneuver, which is why the majority of people that die in police chases are passengers or bystanders.
More than half of chases are for traffic violations, not felonies that would require lethal force. There's no federal, or even state, guidance on how they should be performed, when they are necessary, or if information about them should be tracked. There are very few situations where escalating to a chase doesn't just make everything dramatically worse both for people involved and people nearby.
We had a car chase last year in my town, it ended up killing a pedestrian, the city got behind and ended up changing all regulations to do with PIT maneuvers and not allowing police to start or take part in a chase, and if they do it can only be under extremely strict requirements.
The 20 year old that was fleeing, was only fleeing from a minor traffic stop, and ended up speeding through a neighborhood, crashing into a fifty year old man. That was one death too many and now the police are rightfully not allowed to take part at all. There is no reason to have a car chase from a minor traffic stop.
Some More News just did a whole video on this yesterday: https://youtu.be/fkJ_R1V8kO8
That's what my link is. :D
Doh!
I obviously should have assumed as much if I wasn't going to click through. Egg on my face.
Cool and aggressive aren't necessarily exclusive. The one I've seen in person has window tint or something that made it so you couldn't see the driver. That would be pretty scary to get pulled over by. People who are scared sometimes do things they wouldn't otherwise.
I think the longest police chase was 50 miles with the average being about 3.5. I think the top cybertruck has a range of 340 miles so it should be good for a chase or several.
Another aspect to this for is that police departments need vehicles that are quick, easy, and inexpensive to repair since they have use cases like these intentional crashes. From everything I've read about Tesla, repairs are neither cheap, easy, or inexpensive.
This is so frustrating. Our police forces are militarizing for combat they don't, or at least shouldn't, be engaging in. If the police what to pull back some semblance of public trust it would be great to see a return to friendly looking, non-threatening vehicles. The old ford crown royals look like old, benign dogs. Most folks were less intimidated to approach them and makes it feel more like "here is a person I can do to for help" rather than "this is a soldier that will kill me". It doesn't solve the issue of police brutality, but can we at least make our police look like they might want to help? If they want to stick to electric trucks (which also can we move away from anti-pedestrian vehicles?!?!) I'd rather see a Pixar looking Rivian than a fascist future looking cyber truck. Presentation is important and if you look like an invading army, you're more likely to get treated like one. More of this please
I'm in favor, generally, of the UK's approach. Their police uniforms and cars say "construction worker" more than "paramilitary." High-viz, checkerboard patterns, and the vehicles tend to be compact, efficient hatchback types instead of big SUVs.
They also don't carry guns. They get a telescoping baton or such, and can call a dedicated armed response van if it's merited. (Seemed to work fairly well in the 2017 London Bridge attack, and at least one officer already there engaged the attackers with only a baton before the armed response.)
Public safety workers should look and act the part.
Did any police department buy one? The article seems to be about a company offering it for sale.
Yeah, the article is about their availability on the market, hence the framing of "are coming" vs something like "have arrived".
Are they even coming?
Humane Ai Pins are available on the market, but they're definitely never going to arrive.
It's highly unlikely that Cybertrucks will catch on with police. They're expensive to buy and repair, and repairs have extremely long turnaround times (4+ weeks).
I'm hoping no one actually buys one. I'm sure some small department will, and it'll be fucking dumb. I don't think the police need access to any military grade equipment or what not, but if they're going to spend the money to get that kind of thing, there are better options than some half truck misstep.
Can you 'USA' tag this, please? :)
I agree with you, but I must also point out that the words "militarized Cybertruck" gave it away for me, personally.
The tildes filter is not that smart.
Admittedly, which I why I agree with you, it should be tagged. That said, the Venn diagram of "militarized" and "Cybertruck" has a very tiny slice of overlap, I feel, that which is more about supporting the manufacturer with a visible statement than actually possessing a useful vehicle, and also possessing the funds to be able to do so.