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  1. [5]
    BeanBurrito
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    I can't vote on this thread. I loved the opening to Star Trek Enterprise. I even bookmarked a YouTube video that had only the opening in it.

    I can't vote on this thread. I loved the opening to Star Trek Enterprise. I even bookmarked a YouTube video that had only the opening in it.

    22 votes
    1. [2]
      kacey
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      I’m voting on your thread instead; I literally started whistling Faith of the Heart upon reading the headline XD

      I’m voting on your thread instead; I literally started whistling Faith of the Heart upon reading the headline XD

      13 votes
      1. teaearlgraycold
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        When my brothers and I watch ENT we will all sing along to the theme.

        When my brothers and I watch ENT we will all sing along to the theme.

        6 votes
    2. [2]
      nothis
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      Maybe there was a language barrier going on for me that made me less aware of some of the cornier wording in the lyrics but I basically just got something about going where no one has gone before...

      Maybe there was a language barrier going on for me that made me less aware of some of the cornier wording in the lyrics but I basically just got something about going where no one has gone before to a, frankly, superb supercut of real-life aerospace achievements. And it’s still the most emotional a Star Trek intro ever got me.

      4 votes
      1. BeanBurrito
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        I agree with you about everything, except for the lyrics being corny. I thought the opening was very innovative considering other Star Trek openings. I think it set the tone for the show:...

        I agree with you about everything, except for the lyrics being corny.

        I thought the opening was very innovative considering other Star Trek openings.

        I think it set the tone for the show: pioneering.

        A bridge between our reality and the reality of the original Star Trek series.

        2 votes
  2. [4]
    winther
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    It has grown on me over the years, even though it was jarring and weird when it came out. But at least it is different from the usual symphonic scores. I wouldn't be able to discern the themes...

    It has grown on me over the years, even though it was jarring and weird when it came out. But at least it is different from the usual symphonic scores. I wouldn't be able to discern the themes from Discovery, Strange New Worlds or Picard at least. Originally, it was also marketed as just Enterprise, not Star Trek: Enterprise, with its aim for broader appeal as the article says.

    I think the show is noteworthy for showing humans endeavors into space before the prime directive, before the federation and basically doing tons of mistakes. That is pretty unique in Trek as it mostly depicts us as having most stuff figured out.

    20 votes
    1. [3]
      Hollow
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      The moral of Dear Doctor was "don't try to save this species from plague, you should step back and let them die so this other, better species takes their place.". That's how TNG onwards has...

      endeavors into space before the prime directive, before the federation and basically doing tons of mistakes

      The moral of Dear Doctor was "don't try to save this species from plague, you should step back and let them die so this other, better species takes their place.". That's how TNG onwards has treated the Prime Directive, as this absolute inviolable rule Starfleet uses to justify not doing anything.

      5 votes
      1. Pilot
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        Post-TNG Trek has spent a lot of time examining those flaws, though, which I sometimes appreciate and sometimes think they take too far.

        Post-TNG Trek has spent a lot of time examining those flaws, though, which I sometimes appreciate and sometimes think they take too far.

        5 votes
      2. winther
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        That is true, but most Trek episodes about the Prime Directive is usually about how the captain tries to circumvent or break it. Because the ethical dilemma of that makes for good storytelling.

        That is true, but most Trek episodes about the Prime Directive is usually about how the captain tries to circumvent or break it. Because the ethical dilemma of that makes for good storytelling.

        5 votes
  3. [8]
    trim
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    I liked the series, including the theme.

    I liked the series, including the theme.

    15 votes
    1. [7]
      DefinitelyNotAFae
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      I liked the theme more than the series, but my biggest issues with the series were a) it fell into the prequel trope of "explain the origins of X" at the beginning and b) I couldn't watch it on...

      I liked the theme more than the series, but my biggest issues with the series were a) it fell into the prequel trope of "explain the origins of X" at the beginning and b) I couldn't watch it on the big TV downstairs because UPN's audio was replaced by a Cristian music station for some reason down there. And all the other TVs were little ones without couches.

      To be fair, B wasn't the fault of the show but it dampened my enjoyment

      8 votes
      1. [6]
        balooga
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        Okay, I’ll bite: How did UPN’s audio get replaced with a Christian station (just downstairs)? That’s a weird thing to happen.

        Okay, I’ll bite: How did UPN’s audio get replaced with a Christian station (just downstairs)? That’s a weird thing to happen.

        8 votes
        1. Rudism
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          Back in the days before broadcast radio and TV turned digital, it wasn't uncommon for competing broadcasts to interfere with each other. Especially if you lived kind of close to an AM radio...

          Back in the days before broadcast radio and TV turned digital, it wasn't uncommon for competing broadcasts to interfere with each other. Especially if you lived kind of close to an AM radio station--people would make jokes about how they could hear it even without a radio/TV because the filling in their teeth could pick it up. In this case it sounds like something in the TV (possibly the power line) was probably picking up whatever frequency the radio station was broadcasting on and the signal made its way into the TV's amp or something. (I'm not an electrical engineer or anything so I'm probably over simplifying or getting stuff wrong--I've just had similar things happen to me.)

          7 votes
        2. chocobean
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          I'm curious too, what a terrible misfortune. Bad christian music (anything "new" with choruses that they repeat as nauseam on stage) is one of the many thing I don't miss from Protestantism

          I'm curious too, what a terrible misfortune. Bad christian music (anything "new" with choruses that they repeat as nauseam on stage) is one of the many thing I don't miss from Protestantism

          4 votes
        3. dreamless_patio
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          I'm not super familiar with TV broadcasting, but I'm guessing it was an analog VHF channel close enough to the FM radio bands, and some kind of multi-path interference issue caused the radio...

          I'm not super familiar with TV broadcasting, but I'm guessing it was an analog VHF channel close enough to the FM radio bands, and some kind of multi-path interference issue caused the radio station to take over the audio. This shouldn't happen anymore with digital broadcasts.

          edit: clarification

          3 votes
        4. DefinitelyNotAFae
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          I was 17 so I'm truly not sure, but everyone else's answer seems accurate enough to me. We had cable but I think UPN was still broadcast? I was old enough to be annoyed but I don't remember if my...

          I was 17 so I'm truly not sure, but everyone else's answer seems accurate enough to me. We had cable but I think UPN was still broadcast? I was old enough to be annoyed but I don't remember if my parents ever explained it. It seemed to not be fixable, and then I went to college. (It definitely stopped after the merge with WB into CW but idk if it was fixed before that).

          1 vote
        5. mordae
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          AM station was too strong and probably found it's way inside the audio amplifier via unofficial means such as the ground plane. Or it was actually a new TV station that reached the intermediate...

          AM station was too strong and probably found it's way inside the audio amplifier via unofficial means such as the ground plane. Or it was actually a new TV station that reached the intermediate frequency amplifier of a really old TV because there was apparently some overlap. FM radios were long gone from that band. I am not well-versed in US broadcasting history, though.

  4. V17
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    I don't hate the song anymore after watching through Enterprise, but I still dislike it. I once heard soft rock being hilariously described as "soundtrack to erectile dysfunction" and now I think...

    I don't hate the song anymore after watching through Enterprise, but I still dislike it. I once heard soft rock being hilariously described as "soundtrack to erectile dysfunction" and now I think of that every time I hear it.

    Enterprise itself was a pleasant surprise though, there are things especially in the beginning that I though were just straight up bad, like the supposed elite of the elite being nonsensically green and unprofessional or the focus on T'Pol's nipples, but later on I thought it became better than Voyager and certainly better than any Trek that came after it.

    9 votes
  5. [13]
    Dangerous_Dan_McGrew
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    Faith of the heart is a straight up banger.

    Faith of the heart is a straight up banger.

    7 votes
    1. [12]
      kovboydan
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      And Enterprise is better than DS9. But not as good as Voyager. Note: My Trek ranking methodology excludes the first and second seasons for DS9, VOY, and TNG.

      And Enterprise is better than DS9.

      But not as good as Voyager.

      Note: My Trek ranking methodology excludes the first and second seasons for DS9, VOY, and TNG.

      5 votes
      1. [10]
        Britimmer
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        Better than DS9? That's a take...

        Better than DS9? That's a take...

        9 votes
        1. [9]
          trim
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          I liked it better than DS9. I'd take a good remaster of Voyager over either though. This won't likely happen :(

          I liked it better than DS9.

          I'd take a good remaster of Voyager over either though. This won't likely happen :(

          2 votes
          1. [4]
            kovboydan
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            Voyager was great. So many classic characters: Tuvok, Neelix, Tuvix, Seven of Nine, Chakotay, Paris. The Emergency Medical Hologram! Such great story lines. The cameo from Red Forman in Season 4?...

            Voyager was great.

            So many classic characters: Tuvok, Neelix, Tuvix, Seven of Nine, Chakotay, Paris. The Emergency Medical Hologram!

            Such great story lines. The cameo from Red Forman in Season 4? The cameo from George Costanza in Season 5?

            Voyager was the spiritual successor to TNG. So great.

            5 votes
            1. [3]
              sparkle
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              Costanza is back as a regular in Prodigy! Which in itself is largely a Voyager sequel and worth a watch for that alone honestly.

              Costanza is back as a regular in Prodigy! Which in itself is largely a Voyager sequel and worth a watch for that alone honestly.

              2 votes
              1. [2]
                Spoom
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                I've heard they brought (or are bringing) The Doctor back as well. I need to catch up on that show.

                I've heard they brought (or are bringing) The Doctor back as well. I need to catch up on that show.

                1. sparkle
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                  Yep Bob Picardo is in S2 and he was recently announced as being cast in the upcoming Starfleet Academy series. I imagine he'll be playing the Doctor (or some "descendant") and I'm looking forward...

                  Yep Bob Picardo is in S2 and he was recently announced as being cast in the upcoming Starfleet Academy series. I imagine he'll be playing the Doctor (or some "descendant") and I'm looking forward to it as he's always been one of my favourite Star Trek actors and characters.

          2. [4]
            sparkle
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            There are some fan AI upscales out there, if you poke the right corners of the internet. Since I doubt Paramount and their one bucket of money will ever actually spend time to do a proper remaster...

            There are some fan AI upscales out there, if you poke the right corners of the internet. Since I doubt Paramount and their one bucket of money will ever actually spend time to do a proper remaster using the original film, I have 1080p versions of both DS9 and VOY that aren't quite as good as the TNG remaster but better than the grainy versions that are on streaming platforms.

            1 vote
            1. [3]
              trim
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              I'm sure I watched a video somewhere which said that Voyager's original recordings weren't on a media that would allow for a traditional remaster. Ah, I think it was this one:...

              I'm sure I watched a video somewhere which said that Voyager's original recordings weren't on a media that would allow for a traditional remaster.

              Ah, I think it was this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3w6Lf4Um6Q "Why Star Trek Remasters Are So Hard"

              1 vote
              1. balooga
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                This Tildes post about the downsides of (lazy) AI upscaling didn’t generate any discussion here, but I thought the video was very good. My takeaway was that in the absence of analog film or other...

                This Tildes post about the downsides of (lazy) AI upscaling didn’t generate any discussion here, but I thought the video was very good. My takeaway was that in the absence of analog film or other high-quality sources, AI can be a useful tool for generating beautiful 4K remasters. But the process must be carefully guided and QC’d or else the final product will contain a bunch of overly sharp, cartoonishly airbrushed-looking junk. Unfortunately studios aren’t interesting in supplying the budget to give older releases that proper treatment. It requires more manual time and labor than they’re willing to invest.

                I’ve seen some of those AI upscales of DS9. At first glance they look nice, but after a while you start to notice strange artifacts hiding in the details. DS9 in particular has some set backgrounds that tend to go moiré and that really trips up the AI algorithms. I’d say it’s still a great fan effort and better than anything that’s been officially released, but I’d be disappointed if TPTB just packaged that up as their official offering and called it a day.

                3 votes
              2. sparkle
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                I have to admit I didn't consider the CGI as a limiting factor. However, according to Robert Duncan McNeill who directed several episodes of Voyager, the film negatives still exist at Paramount -...

                I have to admit I didn't consider the CGI as a limiting factor. However, according to Robert Duncan McNeill who directed several episodes of Voyager, the film negatives still exist at Paramount - I believe this is mentioned on his podcast with Garret Wang, The Delta Flyers.

                I don't see why, other than money and time as mentioned previously, they couldn't do the same process with the negatives for most shots and then upscale the CGI scenes. I think I know which fan groups the video is referring to and I agree that the same group that did DS9, their version of VOY was very lackluster. There was a separate release though by another group recently that was much better and while yes, it's nowhere near the quality of the TNG remaster, it's certainly better than what was presented in this video.

                Here's some further reading by one of the guys who worked on upscales for DS9/VOY - https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/333150-i-can-restore-star-trek-voyager-and-deep-space-nine-to-hd-so-why-cant-paramount

                At the end of the day though, Paramount is hanging on by a thread it seems so we likely never will get a proper remaster and I'm ok with that. At least the AI upscales we do have are more pleasant to watch on hidef TVs than the official 480p streams or DVDs.

                1 vote
      2. Dangerous_Dan_McGrew
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        In my opinion nothing is better than DS9 and Voyager was only good until the 4th season, and then it was just "ok" (its still better than most nu-trek). But I agree Enterprise is a way better show...

        In my opinion nothing is better than DS9 and Voyager was only good until the 4th season, and then it was just "ok" (its still better than most nu-trek). But I agree Enterprise is a way better show than it's given credit for, It gave us the greatest character in all of Star Trek, Thy'lek Shran after all. I always skip the final episode though because its just bad.

  6. ButteredToast
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    Like others have expressed, I don't hate the opening but it does contribute to the feel that the show was trying to be Star Trek without being Star Trek, but that feeling overall declines in S2/S3...

    Like others have expressed, I don't hate the opening but it does contribute to the feel that the show was trying to be Star Trek without being Star Trek, but that feeling overall declines in S2/S3 and almost disappears in S4 when the showrunners stopped caring about what the network wanted. It's a shame that it was cancelled right as it was hitting its stride.

    7 votes
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    1. chocobean
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      I mean, it's no Sogno di Volare and my favorite is TNG's theme. But it works for me, without irony or guilt. Maybe it's because I see Enterprise as its own thing: no need to keep in line with the...

      I mean, it's no Sogno di Volare and my favorite is TNG's theme. But it works for me, without irony or guilt. Maybe it's because I see Enterprise as its own thing: no need to keep in line with the orchestra tradition.

      2 votes
  8. PossiblyBipedal
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    I don't hate the song. It's quite enjoyable. But maybe it's because I knew Enterprise existed as a child. I avoided Star Trek as a kid because Enterprise was so boring. I then watched TNG as an...

    I don't hate the song. It's quite enjoyable. But maybe it's because I knew Enterprise existed as a child. I avoided Star Trek as a kid because Enterprise was so boring.

    I then watched TNG as an adult and loved it. I (jokingly) kind of blame Enterprise for making me take so long to get to Trek.

    But the theme song though? I love singing along badly to it when I'm alone.

    6 votes
  9. Grimalkin
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    I'm surprised to read so many comments in this thread that actually enjoy the theme song. I felt it was the worst then, I feel it's the worst now and I simply don't understand how it could grow on...

    I'm surprised to read so many comments in this thread that actually enjoy the theme song. I felt it was the worst then, I feel it's the worst now and I simply don't understand how it could grow on anyone. The music is fine but the lyrics are so over-the-top cringey that I would mute the theme every time it came on. It's interesting how different ears and brains can hear the same thing and have very different reactions.

    5 votes
  10. tomf
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    I'll just say it, I hate this song so much. It might as well be boîte diabolique. I really liked Star Trek: Sexy Decontamination Chamber, though. The series doesn't get enough love and they were...

    I'll just say it, I hate this song so much. It might as well be boîte diabolique. I really liked Star Trek: Sexy Decontamination Chamber, though. The series doesn't get enough love and they were absolutely fucked over with that finale.

    I really like to slap this terrible song on top of other title sequences to trick friends, though.

    2 votes
  11. BuckWylde
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    I've never actually heard the song, but my best friend (the groom at his wedding earlier this year) sung it at his wedding. He and his now wife are huge Trek nerds.

    I've never actually heard the song, but my best friend (the groom at his wedding earlier this year) sung it at his wedding. He and his now wife are huge Trek nerds.

    1 vote