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Valve's next game may have just leaked / Deadlock appears to be a multiplayer hero shooter that combines elements of Overwatch, Valorant, and Dota 2
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- Valve's next game may have just leaked
- Authors
- Ash Parrish
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- May 17 2024
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- 279 words
My reaction to the news of yet another arena pvp game can be summed up as "meh"
Here's hoping they actually have those vr games in the works!
I'm into it. Overwatch left a hole in my casual play that hasn't been filled.
Since this seems to be a hero shooter presumably ttk will be pretty high which for me means a pretty casual and relaxed play with my less-competetive friends. This all hangs on the fact that this game gets popular enough to warrant casual play of course and not just sweaty tryhards. But we'll see, it's no loss for me and at least I think they'll introduce some new mechanics in the genre that's been pretty stagnant as of late (imo).
It's a MOBA shooter very similar to Paragon. TTK is very high but the gameplay is focused around last hitting minions, towers, "jungle camps", and killing the nexus. I don't think it will be casual at all from what I've played.
Dang, that's disappointing.
Conversely I’m pretty interested. I really dislike highly ttk and how it tends to affect gameplay so I’m hoping this feels closer to titanfall
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding your intent, but no the game feels nothing like Titanfall, not even close. It's a 3rd person MOBA shooter.
Yeah was unclear. Just meant the short ttk and it’s the only fps I can think of that has anything like creeps. I know that beyond those two things it’s way different, and even there.
To my memory paragon was very very slow and rigid so not sure how much its like that?
Same, I'm begging for someone, anyone, to make a new hero shooter with even an ounce of the magic that original Overwatch had. And that they make it sustainably and don't fuck it up after several years in the name of greed.
Agree that there’s a big hole in competitive online games, which feels counterintuitive to me because I would expect that the market of 20-to-40-somethings who would like to blow off steam in a chill game after work would easily outsize that of the more sweaty meta-chaser crowd most competitive games have come to target, but maybe I’m totally wrong.
That niche is battle royales. Because of the nature of everyone being against everyone, and the RNG, it makes it not feel as directly stressful as a 5v5 or 1v1 game. That's why Fortnite and PUBG are so big, and still is.
Personally I have to disagree with that, as I play to win those games, otherwise it's meaningless. Looting and running around is boring so the only satisfaction I get from the genre is killing other teams and at the end hopefully winning which makes it super sweaty and not casual. Which isn't to say I don't find it fun, I just wish for something more casual to play with my friends who aren't as competitive.
I'm sure it wasn't that for everyone but I liked Overwatch because I could just do my thing without too much strategizing (as it's pretty easy to switch characters to counter the enemy) and let my team mates do their thing.
The fact that the screenshots reference "lanes" and "last hits" makes me wonder if they intend to incorporate some Dota-esque lane-pushing/creep mechanics, which could add an interesting larger sense of scale compared to the familiar TF2 or OW team shooters.
I'm someone who plays/played a lot of Dota but never really got into online FPS games. If the lane structure comes with a bigger map and more strategic flow, I might have to give it a try.
Yes the gameplay focuses heavily on last hitting and pushing towers. There is also a nexus you need to destroy to end the match. The map is quite large and has jungle camps throughout, there are a network of skyrails you can take to move throughout the map quickly, kinda like Bioshock infinite.
Yeesh. Here I was hoping their next project would be something, I dunno, not derivative? Adding more clutter to an already oversaturated genre? But most importantly, I'd hoped it'd be something I would have had even the slightest desire to play. Hope that's not the only thing they have cooking
MOBA shooters has like two games in the genre.
Dota and CS microtransactions must dwarf the revenue of any other game they make. I’d imagine they’ll keep trying to expand the casino empire for now.
Surely even all the mtx is nothing compared to Steam.
Probably not, but you still want a game to make money.
Adding MOBA features hardly differentiates it from any class-based team shooter, IMO. They don't play differently enough to not feel the same to me. Valorant is just CSGO and Overwatch is just TF2. This new game would just be... Battleborn?
I think it makes it very different, for better or for worse. It makes "strategy" in a macro sense to be much more important than it is a twitch shooter. It would just be Battleborn, but that's a dead game that no one played, so it's not exactly a niche that many people have experienced.
Apparently this is being worked on by Icefrog - I don't want to go overboard and attribute all the good parts of Dota to him, but that feels like a really good sign to have him involved in the design phase.
Can I ask where you got that information? I missed it if it was in the article.
It'd make sense, given the lanes and last-hits references, and would definitely keep my interest.
Looks like it's a rumor that's been around for a while that people have connected some new dots on.
I'm honestly sort of excited for this. I'd love to get in on the ground floor for a new multiplayer game. From what I've seen, the hero designs and aesthetics are my kind of thing.
They filed for the trademark for Deadlock: Valve has now filed for a trademark for Deadlock, the hero shooter it refuses to admit exists - PC Gamer
Has anyone here been playing? What did you think? How do you get in? I love testing and giving feedback.
I find hero shooters to be stressful. If it's truly balanced I feel like I'm always using the wrong character. If it's unbalanced then people end up figuring out the meta and there ends up being an optimal character and loadout.
And as others have said, the last thing we need is another multiplayer shooter. Call of Duty could use some competition in the "realistic" military shooter space, but I'm not sure what Valve is going to bring to the table that we can't get from one of the many cartoon-styled arena shooters.
Curious to see what they do. The difference in intended experience between TF2 and OW feels like night and day to me.
I would not mind something much more in the direction of TF2 than the “holy trinity” ow design
Deadlock is already a game (1996) of which I have always had some smoldering embers of hope for a remake or an adaptation. I suppose with this trademark the dream becomes ever more distant.
New Details on Valve’s New Game ‘Deadlock’:
https://insider-gaming.com/new-details-on-valves-new-game-deadlock/
Nearly every aspect has leaked from this game since this post. Apparently Valve updated their invite system after this so that every player in the closed alpha can invite up to 3 more players. From what I've read over on /r/GamingLeaksAndRumours, the play test numbers have doubled. Seems to be an intentional rollout at this point.
This has trainwreck written all over it.
I don't think Valve have successfully launched a live service title since Dota 2... over 10 years ago. Underlords and Artifact were collosal failures.
(side note: I think they were so bad they had to change their slogan from "Since then, we've released dozens of titles that changed the world (and one that didn't)." to remove the last part: Ricochet no longer lives alone).
If I were a betting man, I'd say that the anti-cheat solution will be the achilles heel. CS2 has a quite significant problem (finally being addressed in the past month, but even still, I played 4 games yesterday with 2 definite cheaters...), but that game survives because of the 20-year history players have with it. Without it... I imagine new players will be driven away in droves.