It's great to be able to finally get to see some of the game play (even in it's slightly stilted scripted form). Outside of the over blown hyperbole we'll see in the various reddit threads that...
It's great to be able to finally get to see some of the game play (even in it's slightly stilted scripted form).
Outside of the over blown hyperbole we'll see in the various reddit threads that will pop up (both overwhelmingly positive and negative) - what do gamers of tildes think? Is this what you expected? How do you feel about it being primarily first person? Anything missing that you were hoping to see?
I feel like the character creation might still be very basic right now. I didn't see any options for advanced customization, it just looked like template faces, but they might be adding more to it...
I feel like the character creation might still be very basic right now. I didn't see any options for advanced customization, it just looked like template faces, but they might be adding more to it later.
I don't know how reliable this information is, but it seems unlikely: https://uploadvr.com/cyberpunk-2077-cd-projekt-red-have-no-plans-for-vr-support/ The reddit post linked from that article also...
I refuse to get on the hype train. I haven't viewed any trailers or read anything about the game because, if I do ever bother to play it, I don't want my experience colored by marketing-driven...
Outside of the over blown hyperbole we'll see in the various reddit threads that will pop up (both overwhelmingly positive and negative) - what do gamers of tildes think?
I refuse to get on the hype train. I haven't viewed any trailers or read anything about the game because, if I do ever bother to play it, I don't want my experience colored by marketing-driven expectations. I want to be able to judge the game clearly on its own merits.
However, I strongly doubt I'll bother to play this. I never finished Witcher 3 because I wasn't comfortable with the level of misogynistic violence in the game. I know it isn't exactly the most Romantic of fantasy settings, but certain torture scenes were just a bit much for my taste.
Most probably this will definitely be a different thing on that topic (misogynistic violence). Not trying to convince you or something but the Witcher was that way because the source material is...
Most probably this will definitely be a different thing on that topic (misogynistic violence).
Not trying to convince you or something but the Witcher was that way because the source material is that way. And it's not a critique to the source material either as it tries to be a medieval fantasy setting with low magic.
I have some notion of what the source material is like because I've read translations of the original novels. All I'm going to say is that it's one thing to read it, and another to see it on your...
Not trying to convince you or something but the Witcher was that way because the source material is that way.
I have some notion of what the source material is like because I've read translations of the original novels. All I'm going to say is that it's one thing to read it, and another to see it on your screen with realistic graphics and voice acting in 5.1 surround sound where you're nominally in control of the protagonist but your only choice isn't in whether or not a companion gets tortured but in how much you'll let her suffer in order to reach your goal.
I feel like a scene's impact shouldn't be driven by the gender of a character facing adversity. If it's the scene I'm thinking about, Triss willingly volunteers for it and, at the end, gets her...
I feel like a scene's impact shouldn't be driven by the gender of a character facing adversity. If it's the scene I'm thinking about, Triss willingly volunteers for it and, at the end, gets her sweet revenge. I feel like whether it was a male, female, or strange gender-less magical entity of the time, it would be gruesome no matter what, but it still makes sense given the context and the reasoning behind it.
Of course, I understand the whole not liking torture part. I can't stand the torture scene in GTA V. Nooo thank you
You're right, but it still bothers me more on an emotional level to see women get smacked around than it does men. Blame it on lingering sexism.
I feel like a scene's impact shouldn't be driven by the gender of a character facing adversity. If it's the scene I'm thinking about, Triss willingly volunteers for it and, at the end, gets her sweet revenge. I feel like whether it was a male, female, or strange gender-less magical entity of the time, it would be gruesome no matter what, but it still makes sense given the context and the reasoning behind it.
You're right, but it still bothers me more on an emotional level to see women get smacked around than it does men. Blame it on lingering sexism.
In the absence of context, that would be true. But games (and movies, television, books) exist in the context of the real world in which they're written and viewed. And in that real world, there...
I feel like a scene's impact shouldn't be driven by the gender of a character facing adversity.
In the absence of context, that would be true. But games (and movies, television, books) exist in the context of the real world in which they're written and viewed.
And in that real world, there is much more real precedent for violence enacted against women by men than the reverse. That makes fictionalized violence against women one step further away from fantasy and closer to reality.
I'm not suggesting that depictions of violence against women by men should be verboten in fiction. But it is different.
I remember that quest. You're in for a reason and the only thing you can do is play along. The main character as well is really not comfortable with it and at every step you've the option to just...
I remember that quest.
You're in for a reason and the only thing you can do is play along. The main character as well is really not comfortable with it and at every step you've the option to just fuck shit up and kill everyone.
I remember being uncomfortable as well and in fact I killed everyone of the fanatics bastards basically immediately.
The way you presented it, seems like the game force you through it and you have no control like if you are forced to watch a torture movie.
In my opinion, this is a good thing and I fully expect to be made uncomfortable by Cyberpunk2077, too. Just because the game portrays sexism, racism and the abuse of power doesn't mean it supports...
I remember being uncomfortable as well and in fact I killed everyone of the fanatics bastards basically immediately.
In my opinion, this is a good thing and I fully expect to be made uncomfortable by Cyberpunk2077, too.
Just because the game portrays sexism, racism and the abuse of power doesn't mean it supports it. And, in my humble opinion, not even is not portraying this in a political game (and a game about social structures like the witcher is and cyberpunk will be) extremely dangerous; but portraying these -isms as never going unpunished and "the good, anti-sexist/racist will always win" is a childish approach to the dangers of prejudice of all kinds. It's exactly what Witcher stands for, to be honest, and so will Cyberpunk if done right - or at least to my taste. Sexism and prejudice and inequality exist because people are that way and get away with it. Portraying them getting away with it most of the time is exactly what needs to be done to make people feel uncomfortable, because you need to make people feel uncomfortable to change the world.
It must be shown, and the offender must get away with it or profit from it, there must not be a "solution" to the conflict, no right choice, no happy end. You have to deny the player their catharsis so they will be forced to seek it in real life. Not in all cases, obviously (remember how good it felt to slay these bastards?) but at least in some. This is why the depiction of racism and sexism in Witcher is genius. The assholes get away with it, and sometimes even a overpowered mutant is powerless to do anything against it.
Now I fully understand why it might be too much for some. No need to expose yourself to something you don't enjoy, nobody is forcing you. But I just love this uncensored approach.
Torture is brutal, racism and sexism are infuriating, but it happens. To provide a simple power and revenge fantasy is not what I would expect Cyberpunk2077 will do.
Oh yes, absolutely. With "uncomfortable" I was referring as my immersion. For my vision of Geralt, I couldn't stand that torture longer than few second, but as a game choice it is something I...
In my opinion, this is a good thing and I fully expect to be made uncomfortable by Cyberpunk2077, too.
Oh yes, absolutely.
With "uncomfortable" I was referring as my immersion. For my vision of Geralt, I couldn't stand that torture longer than few second, but as a game choice it is something I absolutely appreciate.
I find that quite interesting, because the way I perceived Gerald was like this: He absolutely can't stand the thought of Triss getting tortured, but he knows she is an incredibly strong sorceress...
I find that quite interesting, because the way I perceived Gerald was like this:
He absolutely can't stand the thought of Triss getting tortured, but he knows she is an incredibly strong sorceress able to withstand it. In my opinion, in that specific scene, Triss would have been gravely insulted if Geralt played the white grey knight for her.
I think the first person perspective really added a bit to the immersion of the close quarters combat, specially with the quick sprints from cover to cover and during the speed booster effect. The...
I think the first person perspective really added a bit to the immersion of the close quarters combat, specially with the quick sprints from cover to cover and during the speed booster effect. The med-evac team gave me little flashbacks to Shadowrun's DocWagon insurance model. Especially the way those guys weren't trusting you one bit. It looked really promising with a fully fleshed out complex world, lots of customisation options, and interesting settings. I'm getting on a little hype... bicycle.
Personally this kind of games make me yawn more than anything else, it seems very generic and a bit juvenile. I'm quite tired of the combat focused, customize your weapon, badass character, open...
Personally this kind of games make me yawn more than anything else, it seems very generic and a bit juvenile. I'm quite tired of the combat focused, customize your weapon, badass character, open world-follow the indicator type of game. And I can get a wall hack and damage numbers ? zzzZZzzz
That said it looks well produced and I don't doubt many people will enjoy it, I just feel I've played that kind of game too many times. I'm more excited by games like Pathologic 2 or LiS 2 (although they might turn out to be mediocre).
As the demo showed you might try for non-violent but it looks like the game will force you into a violent confrontation regardless, at least some of the time. I'm mostly ok with that, it's one...
As the demo showed you might try for non-violent but it looks like the game will force you into a violent confrontation regardless, at least some of the time. I'm mostly ok with that, it's one thing to start with murder on the mind and the other escaping with your life.
Nothing special. I didn't see anything new, everything that they showed has been done before aside from the aesthetics and theme, and that's the only part that interests me about the game. They...
Nothing special. I didn't see anything new, everything that they showed has been done before aside from the aesthetics and theme, and that's the only part that interests me about the game. They act like making your own choices, or approaching missions how you want is new, but it has been done so many times before. Not being negative, just really they showed ... Nothing?
I really don't get the hype, back at e3, people that got to see the demo behind closed doors acted like it was the second coming of Christ... Why am I disappointed, should of expected no less from the CD Project Red circle jerk.
I haven't watched this whole thing because I'm not quite that invested, but it looks about like what I expected. It's strange, the way people talk about CDPR is like they're these outsiders giving...
I haven't watched this whole thing because I'm not quite that invested, but it looks about like what I expected. It's strange, the way people talk about CDPR is like they're these outsiders giving the people who really care about games what they want, but their games feel like the most focus-grouped lowest common denominator shit I've ever seen in my life, and this looks to be no exception. This is one of the most boring and uninspired visions of cyberpunk I've ever seen in my life, and I'm willing to go down to a pretty low bar since I'm such a fan of that aesthetic. I'm also super bothered by the Ubisoft-looking HUD but that's a minor complaint, I guess.
It's ugly, nothing about the world shown grips me, and the gameplay looks...fine, I guess. Still a hard pass for me.
I get the feeling CD Projekt RED has a similar sort of toxic hyper-masculine culture like what was recently reported with Riot Games. Like CD Projekt RED had recently made the controversial...
I get the feeling CD Projekt RED has a similar sort of toxic hyper-masculine culture like what was recently reported with Riot Games. Like CD Projekt RED had recently made the controversial transphobic joke on their Twitter account and mocked journalist's coverage of "GamerGate" so that is probably normal for them. I think the character design from what I've seen so far (I had to turn it off a few minutes in because of the nudity and I'm at work) has been very impressive but I don't want it to be all objectification of women. Nudity and sexual content I'm fine with as long as it's there either to be empowering or makes sense as part of a narrative.
The scene in which you see the guy leaving and the morning routine of the player's character is going to be the same if you play a male. So I'd say that they choose a female for the demo for...
The scene in which you see the guy leaving and the morning routine of the player's character is going to be the same if you play a male.
So I'd say that they choose a female for the demo for obvious market appeal (you know teens with full blown hormones) and because being quite "free"with nudity had become their signature sure to the Witcher (it's not like the source material are some prude books).
From the article: Uh, no. It's used to mock the fanatic extremist of the lgbt world. Or every gay/bi/etc people I know are weird people and use it as well. But after all, it's an article from...
From the article:
While the tweet is not explicitly transphobic, the meme being referenced is largely used to belittle or demean the concerns of transgender people. [...]
Uh, no. It's used to mock the fanatic extremist of the lgbt world. Or every gay/bi/etc people I know are weird people and use it as well.
But after all, it's an article from Kotaku, cannot expect anything else than pour gasoline on everything to get click and visits on their articles.
It's a site in which you have to write a comment like this:
I made a joke about how people should be less offended and made it a psychological conundrum, hope it don’t get me banned!
Uh, no. I'm transgender and I find it offensive. I've had many discussions with other transgender people who feel the same way. Gay people or cisgender people don't get to decide on what...
Uh, no. It's used to mock the fanatic extremist of the lgbt world. Or every gay/bi/etc people I know are weird people and use it as well.
Uh, no. I'm transgender and I find it offensive. I've had many discussions with other transgender people who feel the same way. Gay people or cisgender people don't get to decide on what transgender and non-binary people find offensive. It's openly mocking any non-binary gender identities which is not a "fanatic extremist" part of LGBT+ culture.
Equally so, no single person of any group gets to decide what the entire group finds offensive. We can't speak for anyone else but ourselves, or perhaps our very close circle, but even that isn't...
Equally so, no single person of any group gets to decide what the entire group finds offensive. We can't speak for anyone else but ourselves, or perhaps our very close circle, but even that isn't a certainty.
Absolutely true. It's best to err on the side of caution when it comes to saying things that might come off as offensive. It's not hard to be nice but some people just hate ever being told they...
Absolutely true. It's best to err on the side of caution when it comes to saying things that might come off as offensive. It's not hard to be nice but some people just hate ever being told they are wrong. There are absolutely things I might joke about that doesn't upset my friends but I won't say in front of people I don't know.
It's not a bad philosophy to go by but it's a little more complicated than that. Transgender people have been struggling to have their identities respected and jokes about transgender people only...
It's not a bad philosophy to go by but it's a little more complicated than that. Transgender people have been struggling to have their identities respected and jokes about transgender people only serve to further dehumanize and marginalize us and make it hard to fight for rights. We've come a long way especially over the past decade to move past being the butt of jokes but there's still a way to go before it becomes a non-issue.
I mean I'm not going to lie and say that there aren't some weird LGBT+ folks out there haha. I just don't think it's fair to make fun of them. Everyone is just trying to find who they are and what...
I mean I'm not going to lie and say that there aren't some weird LGBT+ folks out there haha. I just don't think it's fair to make fun of them. Everyone is just trying to find who they are and what is their place in the world and their experience might be a different one from most people. Labels can be very restricting and people are too complicated to be grouped into simple categories.
Yeah I don't want to see gross exploitation and want to see women being respected (even in android form). However some of my favorite female characters are sexually empowered and it doesn't feel...
Yeah I don't want to see gross exploitation and want to see women being respected (even in android form). However some of my favorite female characters are sexually empowered and it doesn't feel like exploitation. Like the character Motoko Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell is one of my favorite characters of any media and she is open in her sexuality but also a very strong character. I might say the same about Commander Shepard from Mass Effect as another example.
I agree with you and @Kat in almost everything about the games that CD projekt red make but I have friends who have worked there and from what they've told me I don't think the culture is even...
I agree with you and @Kat in almost everything about the games that CD projekt red make but I have friends who have worked there and from what they've told me I don't think the culture is even close to riot.
I think it is more of a cultural thing, they are a Polish company so even if it is liberal by Polish standards, it is not going to be as "woke" as an American company.
What is exactly sexist about showing women's breasts and asses? There is also a naked man in that tub with her and a naked man with the main character in the next scene. You also picked a few...
What is exactly sexist about showing women's breasts and asses? There is also a naked man in that tub with her and a naked man with the main character in the next scene. You also picked a few minutes out of a 45 minute game play trailer to highlight this apparent sexism as a selling point.
Nah, you just called out the most-goty awards winning game of all time's writing "atrocious" without backing up your claim and spouted some nonsense about "an organ harvesting story is just an...
Nah, you just called out the most-goty awards winning game of all time's writing "atrocious" without backing up your claim and spouted some nonsense about "an organ harvesting story is just an excuse to show 3 minutes of tits", I can't take that shit serious.
Frankly, I think both of you are off base here, but in two different directions. Neither of you seem willing to entertain the idea that CDPR live somewhere in the middle. Are they sexist? No. Are...
Frankly, I think both of you are off base here, but in two different directions. Neither of you seem willing to entertain the idea that CDPR live somewhere in the middle.
Are they sexist? No. Are they virtuous? No. Is the writing atrocious for it? Probably not but it's still not very good.
They're just a company that tries to make good, solid games that don't rely on any one gimmick, but instead a big, cohesive, very well made package. Their approach to stories isn't the most forward or mature but they've clearly got more ambition than most others and try to provide a world that's not simplistic in terms of morality or consequence.
While I wouldn't call what was on display here sexist at all, I also wouldn't call it subtle or ambitious in terms of reshaping the cultural understanding of what it means to be dystopic—having women's bodies used as resources or property in a dystopic world is from an age of rampant sexism and it's something that is on display in this trailer. You can argue that it's sexism or you can argue that it's part of the aesthetic, but ultimately it's just following convention without question and that's a little lazy. CDPR is not a particularly imaginative developer.
But here's a real issue: you're being an asshole. You're both being quite restricted in your viewpoints but at least Kat is speaking for herself, whereas you're putting words in her mouth and speaking extremely condescendingly with nothing of your own contributed. Quit that shit, it's juvenile.
Kat may not have explained why she felt the writing was atrocious exactly but it's really not hard to figure out why. It just takes a bit of common sense and reading between the lines. Being proud that you're unable to consider another viewpoint and therefore unable to act like an adult does not make you sound like someone who has a particularly balanced counterpoint—it just makes you sound like another 14 year old on a gaming forum who wants to be the expert without any of the effort or work put in.
Not gonna speak for either of the two since my views differ slightly but I’m really curious why Kat deems the writing as actrocious. Rather, I want them to say it out of their own mouths;...
Not gonna speak for either of the two since my views differ slightly but I’m really curious why Kat deems the writing as actrocious. Rather, I want them to say it out of their own mouths; assumption’s not always going to be correct.
Hear hear, just because she has her tits out doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a sexism issue. Can you imagine what’d happen if it’s a man with his dick in full view? Nothing. Nothing would happen...
Hear hear, just because she has her tits out doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a sexism issue.
Can you imagine what’d happen if it’s a man with his dick in full view? Nothing. Nothing would happen unless /r/TheRedPill users take offense to that.
I mean, come on, in the same reveal I see a man’s ass in full view, no undies whatsoever. Am I supposed to be enraged by that?
No comment on CDPR in particular because I find The Witcher so overwhelmingly incompetent as a series that I can't really approach it with an even head, but oftentimes (and as it looks to do in...
No comment on CDPR in particular because I find The Witcher so overwhelmingly incompetent as a series that I can't really approach it with an even head, but oftentimes (and as it looks to do in this trailer) portrayal of bad things tends to play a dual role. You get to show a thing happening, whether it be violence or some bad sexual situation or whatever, and viewers / players get the pleasure of whatever that thing is, but they get to cover their ass by then showing in whatever way that that thing is bad.
Even if you don't conclude that it makes these things offensive (as I think plenty of good things fall into this), it's at least somewhat self-defeating. You want to show me big cool explosions or make me go "OOHHH SHIT" because a certain method of killing is really fun, then have an anti-war message? Unless it does a cheap mirror-turn, that's just a game being at odds with itself. This applies across the board, but the worst offenders here are probably with sexual violence or otherwise clearly sexist situations, which are regularly still framed as being sexy or like an opportunity for viewers / players to see nudity or something.
Depiction is not endorsement, but when that depiction is played for some kind of pleasure or satisfaction only to then reject it, it is trying to have its cake and eat it too. Even if the work directly says "hey this sexist thing is bad," that isn't the end of the conversation.
I don't get it. Are you saying that a woman's breasts are sexist? Or that it's sexist for breasts to be seen? Is it only when seen by men? Do you think women should never show their breasts? Or is...
I don't get it. Are you saying that a woman's breasts are sexist? Or that it's sexist for breasts to be seen? Is it only when seen by men? Do you think women should never show their breasts? Or is that only for videogames? Do you consider the display of breasts in TV/movies to be sexist as well?
Or are you saying there is something sexist about showing a naked woman be rescued from a criminal gang who kidnapped her to steal her implants?
I'm honestly quite confused. That was not a situation where the viewer was supposed to be gawking at the near-dead woman.
This is a really disingenuous reading of the comment you replied to. I can only assume you're commenting from a universe where women are not regularly portrayed as sexual objects. Just to be...
This is a really disingenuous reading of the comment you replied to. I can only assume you're commenting from a universe where women are not regularly portrayed as sexual objects.
Just to be clear: A woman being attractive is not the same as a woman being objectified. This is clear to anyone who sees women as equal to men.
CD Projekt Red has a reputation for their games being sexist male power fantasies. This probably dates to the first Witcher game, which notoriously featured trading cards for women your character...
CD Projekt Red has a reputation for their games being sexist male power fantasies. This probably dates to the first Witcher game, which notoriously featured trading cards for women your character slept with. The gameplay short for 2077 included prominent female nudity (along with male nudity), which given said reputation, definitely rubbed some people the wrong way. There was also some frankly cringey dialogue, the game is supposed to be 80's retrofuturistic but they were trying way too hard.
Myself, I think a lot of the flak is somewhat unfair, and coming from contrarians who dislike the massive circlejerk 2077 and TW3 have on reddit. In terms of sexism, their writing has come a long way from TW1, as, spoilers ahead, the entire point of TW3 is that you're a supporting character in Ciri's story, and any attempts to control her or circumscribe her agency have extremely negative consequences.
I haven't played any of the Witcher games, but this trailer just looked like a classic example of "sex sells" nothing really sexist about it. As for the trading cards, from my goggle search it...
I haven't played any of the Witcher games, but this trailer just looked like a classic example of "sex sells" nothing really sexist about it. As for the trading cards, from my goggle search it looks like it was the women + other characters (http://steamtradingcards.wikia.com/wiki/The_Witcher_3:_Wild_Hunt)
They're referring to an element from The Witcher (2007), which does not exist in the more recent and much more lauded The Witcher 3 (2015). I can see how some might take offense to that content...
They're referring to an element from The Witcher (2007), which does not exist in the more recent and much more lauded The Witcher 3 (2015).
I can see how some might take offense to that content (and likely a few other things) in the first game, but strongly disagree with characterizing TW3 as sexist. If anything, I think CDPR has done a great job of learning from their earlier mistakes and successes, they seem to take constructive criticism well, and I see no reason to expect anything less than a thoughtful, diverse, and exciting story for CP2077.
Agree with you on the trailer, I don't think it was particularly sexist. Regarding the trading cards, I'm not talking about Steam trading cards or the Witcher 3, I'm talking about the Witcher 1,...
Agree with you on the trailer, I don't think it was particularly sexist. Regarding the trading cards, I'm not talking about Steam trading cards or the Witcher 3, I'm talking about the Witcher 1, which predates both by the better part of a decade. In TW1 you would get an in game collectible trading card whenever you slept with any women, to represent Geralt's 'sexual conquests'. Yeah. Wikipedia page mentions it, though in passing and not, oddly, under the controversy header that used to be there. Hm.
I also feel OOTL. There are cards in the game for lots of characters. Some of them you can sleep with. Sleeping with characters and attaining cards is unrelated.
I also feel OOTL. There are cards in the game for lots of characters. Some of them you can sleep with. Sleeping with characters and attaining cards is unrelated.
Regarding the trading cards, I'm not talking about Steam trading cards or the Witcher 3, I'm talking about the Witcher 1, which predates both by the better part of a decade. In TW1 you would get an in game collectible trading card whenever you slept with any women, to represent Geralt's 'sexual conquests'.
Needs a NSFW tag on this. I'm really excited for this though! I watched a few minutes but I'll have to wait until I leave work to watch the rest. Update: So I watched the entire thing and I'm even...
Needs a NSFW tag on this.
I'm really excited for this though! I watched a few minutes but I'll have to wait until I leave work to watch the rest.
Update: So I watched the entire thing and I'm even more excited for the game. I love that it's adding the "punk" back to cyberpunk and it's got such a cool gritty style to it. It reminded me of the movie Dredd at times with the cool pistol mods, the inhaler drugs, and slow motion action. I'm curious to see how far the hacking will go too. My concerns from watching the first few minutes of it possibly being over sexualized seem to not be the case all that much. Some of the dialogue was a bit awkward and cliché but that's the only real problem I saw. Also I'm wondering how many drivable areas there are.
Man, just as I was getting a handle on my hype, they drop this! Overall, it looks fantastic, and about in line with what we've been hearing from previews. A couple of notes: Some of the NPC...
Man, just as I was getting a handle on my hype, they drop this! Overall, it looks fantastic, and about in line with what we've been hearing from previews. A couple of notes:
Some of the NPC animations looked a little janky, not too worried about this right now though
Guns and body mods look amazing, really looking forward to these aspects
They didn't show it off too much, but I'm hoping the driving is intuitive and fun. Just driving around losing myself in the world is one of my favorite things to do in GTA. It's good you can switch to 3rd person view
The enemies seemed a little bullet-spongey at times, possibly due to armor/difficulty level?
Visuals and combat both looked fantastic
I'm wondering exactly how scripted events like the scavengers attacking V and Jackie on the road are
A little disappointed they didn't give at least a broad release window, but they gave no indication they would so I'm not too miffed
I'll add in more once I get a chance to rewatch. This definitely matched my expectations and gave me a few distinct "wow" moments. I'll almost certainly have to update my PC for this, but it should be far enough out that I'll have enough saved up, although I wouldn't be too sad if it came sooner than expected :)
Sorry to have kept you waiting for this for so long!
Did you like what you saw? Because for us, the fact that we're finally showing you Cyberpunk 2077 is HUGE. Please go to our forums, twitter, facebook, discord, and do tell what you think. Is the game world how you imagined? Do you see what we meant by "immersion" when we talked about CP2077 being an FPP RPG? How does our vision of "cyberpunk by day" make you feel? We really want to know.
Aside from that, we think we owe you a few words of explanation on why we're showing you this gameplay now, some time after industry professionals and media saw it at E3 and gamescom.
Each time we discussed the idea of showing the game to you (and we discussed this idea a lot), we were ending up in this "we're not 100% sure" limbo. Why? Because (for most people), when a game dev shows gameplay footage from their game, it means that this is how the game is going to look or play like. It's not the case here. Cyberpunk 2077 is deep in development. We have a lot of design ideas, a lot of mechanics being playtested, but we don't know what we'll end up with at launch. This makes publishing videos like what you just saw risky --we don't want gamers saying 'but in that previous video that gun was shooting differently', or 'why did you change the interface?'. Change is inherent to game development and there's a ton of things being modified each day. Our fear was (and kind of still is) that you'll think what you just saw is how Cyberpunk 2077 will look like 1:1.
What gave us that extra confidence to show you a work in progress game? Good initial feedback from people who are accustomed to see games at various stages of development. What they told us (and they told us they really liked what they saw) gave us the boost we needed to show the current version of Cyberpunk 2077 to the most passionate and insightful audience --you.
So... here's what Cyberpunk 2077 looks like today (or rather looked like when we recorded the video). We sincerely hope you liked it.
Again, thank you for your patience and all the thoughts you shared with us.
Yours,
CD PROJEKT RED
Does that mean the voice acting isn't final? Presumably if that much is still subject to change, they wouldn't have recorded all the speech yet. Honestly I was kind of disappointed by the quality...
Does that mean the voice acting isn't final? Presumably if that much is still subject to change, they wouldn't have recorded all the speech yet. Honestly I was kind of disappointed by the quality of the acting, so I'd be happy to learn this was temporary.
The world looks great, combat looks great, tech looks great, even the hacking looks great - 48 minutes packed with information. Really looking forward to playing.
The world looks great, combat looks great, tech looks great, even the hacking looks great - 48 minutes packed with information. Really looking forward to playing.
I don't think I've been this hyped about a video game in a long time. I'm ready for this game to exist so I can blow off all my adult responsibilities and play it instead of sleeping.
I don't think I've been this hyped about a video game in a long time. I'm ready for this game to exist so I can blow off all my adult responsibilities and play it instead of sleeping.
So, has anyone decoded the base64 yet? I typed in the first few characters manually and it has a PNG header, I doubt that PNG is 9 hours big though. Edit: Here's a link to the original twitch VOD...
So, has anyone decoded the base64 yet? I typed in the first few characters manually and it has a PNG header, I doubt that PNG is 9 hours big though.
It's great to be able to finally get to see some of the game play (even in it's slightly stilted scripted form).
Outside of the over blown hyperbole we'll see in the various reddit threads that will pop up (both overwhelmingly positive and negative) - what do gamers of tildes think? Is this what you expected? How do you feel about it being primarily first person? Anything missing that you were hoping to see?
I feel like the character creation might still be very basic right now. I didn't see any options for advanced customization, it just looked like template faces, but they might be adding more to it later.
Is it going to support VR? I hadn't heard.
I don't know how reliable this information is, but it seems unlikely: https://uploadvr.com/cyberpunk-2077-cd-projekt-red-have-no-plans-for-vr-support/
The reddit post linked from that article also has a screenshot of a CDPR community manager saying that they have no plans for it: https://i.imgur.com/UTtxYlf.jpg
Ah that's too bad. There's a serious shortage of feature length VR titles and this looked like it would've been a blast in VR.
I refuse to get on the hype train. I haven't viewed any trailers or read anything about the game because, if I do ever bother to play it, I don't want my experience colored by marketing-driven expectations. I want to be able to judge the game clearly on its own merits.
However, I strongly doubt I'll bother to play this. I never finished Witcher 3 because I wasn't comfortable with the level of misogynistic violence in the game. I know it isn't exactly the most Romantic of fantasy settings, but certain torture scenes were just a bit much for my taste.
Most probably this will definitely be a different thing on that topic (misogynistic violence).
Not trying to convince you or something but the Witcher was that way because the source material is that way. And it's not a critique to the source material either as it tries to be a medieval fantasy setting with low magic.
I have some notion of what the source material is like because I've read translations of the original novels. All I'm going to say is that it's one thing to read it, and another to see it on your screen with realistic graphics and voice acting in 5.1 surround sound where you're nominally in control of the protagonist but your only choice isn't in whether or not a companion gets tortured but in how much you'll let her suffer in order to reach your goal.
I feel like a scene's impact shouldn't be driven by the gender of a character facing adversity. If it's the scene I'm thinking about, Triss willingly volunteers for it and, at the end, gets her sweet revenge. I feel like whether it was a male, female, or strange gender-less magical entity of the time, it would be gruesome no matter what, but it still makes sense given the context and the reasoning behind it.
Of course, I understand the whole not liking torture part. I can't stand the torture scene in GTA V. Nooo thank you
You're right, but it still bothers me more on an emotional level to see women get smacked around than it does men. Blame it on lingering sexism.
In the absence of context, that would be true. But games (and movies, television, books) exist in the context of the real world in which they're written and viewed.
And in that real world, there is much more real precedent for violence enacted against women by men than the reverse. That makes fictionalized violence against women one step further away from fantasy and closer to reality.
I'm not suggesting that depictions of violence against women by men should be verboten in fiction. But it is different.
I remember that quest.
You're in for a reason and the only thing you can do is play along. The main character as well is really not comfortable with it and at every step you've the option to just fuck shit up and kill everyone.
I remember being uncomfortable as well and in fact I killed everyone of the fanatics bastards basically immediately.
The way you presented it, seems like the game force you through it and you have no control like if you are forced to watch a torture movie.
In my opinion, this is a good thing and I fully expect to be made uncomfortable by Cyberpunk2077, too.
Just because the game portrays sexism, racism and the abuse of power doesn't mean it supports it. And, in my humble opinion, not even is not portraying this in a political game (and a game about social structures like the witcher is and cyberpunk will be) extremely dangerous; but portraying these -isms as never going unpunished and "the good, anti-sexist/racist will always win" is a childish approach to the dangers of prejudice of all kinds. It's exactly what Witcher stands for, to be honest, and so will Cyberpunk if done right - or at least to my taste. Sexism and prejudice and inequality exist because people are that way and get away with it. Portraying them getting away with it most of the time is exactly what needs to be done to make people feel uncomfortable, because you need to make people feel uncomfortable to change the world.
It must be shown, and the offender must get away with it or profit from it, there must not be a "solution" to the conflict, no right choice, no happy end. You have to deny the player their catharsis so they will be forced to seek it in real life. Not in all cases, obviously (remember how good it felt to slay these bastards?) but at least in some. This is why the depiction of racism and sexism in Witcher is genius. The assholes get away with it, and sometimes even a overpowered mutant is powerless to do anything against it.
Now I fully understand why it might be too much for some. No need to expose yourself to something you don't enjoy, nobody is forcing you. But I just love this uncensored approach.
Torture is brutal, racism and sexism are infuriating, but it happens. To provide a simple power and revenge fantasy is not what I would expect Cyberpunk2077 will do.
Oh yes, absolutely.
With "uncomfortable" I was referring as my immersion. For my vision of Geralt, I couldn't stand that torture longer than few second, but as a game choice it is something I absolutely appreciate.
I find that quite interesting, because the way I perceived Gerald was like this:
He absolutely can't stand the thought of Triss getting tortured, but he knows she is an incredibly strong sorceress able to withstand it. In my opinion, in that specific scene, Triss would have been gravely insulted if Geralt played the
whitegrey knight for her.Not quite. I had said that your only choice was in how much torture would happen.
You can literally not even go in and fight everyone.
Or again, go in and as soon as they bring her in, stop everything and fight everyone.
Here: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=the+witcher+3+torture+triss&rlz=1C1GGRV_itGB752GB752&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwij476GjY7dAhUsJMAKHcLUDBwQ_AUICigB&biw=1536&bih=728
That's great, but I put the game aside two years ago and I'm not about to pick it up again.
As I said, not trying to convince you!
I find it's a shame that you're missing out on a very good narrative driven game but really, no problem :)
As I've said before, I've read translations of the novels. I'm not missing out on that much.
I think the first person perspective really added a bit to the immersion of the close quarters combat, specially with the quick sprints from cover to cover and during the speed booster effect. The med-evac team gave me little flashbacks to Shadowrun's DocWagon insurance model. Especially the way those guys weren't trusting you one bit. It looked really promising with a fully fleshed out complex world, lots of customisation options, and interesting settings. I'm getting on a little hype... bicycle.
Personally this kind of games make me yawn more than anything else, it seems very generic and a bit juvenile. I'm quite tired of the combat focused, customize your weapon, badass character, open world-follow the indicator type of game. And I can get a wall hack and damage numbers ? zzzZZzzz
That said it looks well produced and I don't doubt many people will enjoy it, I just feel I've played that kind of game too many times. I'm more excited by games like Pathologic 2 or LiS 2 (although they might turn out to be mediocre).
It seems you can go for non violent choices too.
As the demo showed you might try for non-violent but it looks like the game will force you into a violent confrontation regardless, at least some of the time. I'm mostly ok with that, it's one thing to start with murder on the mind and the other escaping with your life.
Nothing special. I didn't see anything new, everything that they showed has been done before aside from the aesthetics and theme, and that's the only part that interests me about the game. They act like making your own choices, or approaching missions how you want is new, but it has been done so many times before. Not being negative, just really they showed ... Nothing?
I really don't get the hype, back at e3, people that got to see the demo behind closed doors acted like it was the second coming of Christ... Why am I disappointed, should of expected no less from the CD Project Red circle jerk.
I haven't watched this whole thing because I'm not quite that invested, but it looks about like what I expected. It's strange, the way people talk about CDPR is like they're these outsiders giving the people who really care about games what they want, but their games feel like the most focus-grouped lowest common denominator shit I've ever seen in my life, and this looks to be no exception. This is one of the most boring and uninspired visions of cyberpunk I've ever seen in my life, and I'm willing to go down to a pretty low bar since I'm such a fan of that aesthetic. I'm also super bothered by the Ubisoft-looking HUD but that's a minor complaint, I guess.
It's ugly, nothing about the world shown grips me, and the gameplay looks...fine, I guess. Still a hard pass for me.
I get the feeling CD Projekt RED has a similar sort of toxic hyper-masculine culture like what was recently reported with Riot Games. Like CD Projekt RED had recently made the controversial transphobic joke on their Twitter account and mocked journalist's coverage of "GamerGate" so that is probably normal for them. I think the character design from what I've seen so far (I had to turn it off a few minutes in because of the nudity and I'm at work) has been very impressive but I don't want it to be all objectification of women. Nudity and sexual content I'm fine with as long as it's there either to be empowering or makes sense as part of a narrative.
The scene in which you see the guy leaving and the morning routine of the player's character is going to be the same if you play a male.
So I'd say that they choose a female for the demo for obvious market appeal (you know teens with full blown hormones) and because being quite "free"with nudity had become their signature sure to the Witcher (it's not like the source material are some prude books).
From the article:
Uh, no. It's used to mock the fanatic extremist of the lgbt world. Or every gay/bi/etc people I know are weird people and use it as well.
But after all, it's an article from Kotaku, cannot expect anything else than pour gasoline on everything to get click and visits on their articles.
It's a site in which you have to write a comment like this:
Jesus F. Christ.
Uh, no. I'm transgender and I find it offensive. I've had many discussions with other transgender people who feel the same way. Gay people or cisgender people don't get to decide on what transgender and non-binary people find offensive. It's openly mocking any non-binary gender identities which is not a "fanatic extremist" part of LGBT+ culture.
Equally so, no single person of any group gets to decide what the entire group finds offensive. We can't speak for anyone else but ourselves, or perhaps our very close circle, but even that isn't a certainty.
Absolutely true. It's best to err on the side of caution when it comes to saying things that might come off as offensive. It's not hard to be nice but some people just hate ever being told they are wrong. There are absolutely things I might joke about that doesn't upset my friends but I won't say in front of people I don't know.
I personally am of the opinions:
You dont get offended, you take offense.
and
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
Easy philosophy to hold when you are not at daily risk of violence and discrimination because of your identity.
It's not a bad philosophy to go by but it's a little more complicated than that. Transgender people have been struggling to have their identities respected and jokes about transgender people only serve to further dehumanize and marginalize us and make it hard to fight for rights. We've come a long way especially over the past decade to move past being the butt of jokes but there's still a way to go before it becomes a non-issue.
Meanwhile, I know a few transgender people who crack such jokes themselves and prefer it to be joked about over it being taboo.
Would you like to explain that to the families of LGBT teenagers who have committed suicide due to long-term bullying?
Ok then, I understand that both experience can be true and I assumed to much based only on my experience.
I mean I'm not going to lie and say that there aren't some weird LGBT+ folks out there haha. I just don't think it's fair to make fun of them. Everyone is just trying to find who they are and what is their place in the world and their experience might be a different one from most people. Labels can be very restricting and people are too complicated to be grouped into simple categories.
Yeah I don't want to see gross exploitation and want to see women being respected (even in android form). However some of my favorite female characters are sexually empowered and it doesn't feel like exploitation. Like the character Motoko Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell is one of my favorite characters of any media and she is open in her sexuality but also a very strong character. I might say the same about Commander Shepard from Mass Effect as another example.
I agree with you and @Kat in almost everything about the games that CD projekt red make but I have friends who have worked there and from what they've told me I don't think the culture is even close to riot.
I think it is more of a cultural thing, they are a Polish company so even if it is liberal by Polish standards, it is not going to be as "woke" as an American company.
What is exactly sexist about showing women's breasts and asses? There is also a naked man in that tub with her and a naked man with the main character in the next scene. You also picked a few minutes out of a 45 minute game play trailer to highlight this apparent sexism as a selling point.
Atrocious? Pray tell.
Oh no, they portray sexism so they must be sexist. :)
Nah, you just called out the most-goty awards winning game of all time's writing "atrocious" without backing up your claim and spouted some nonsense about "an organ harvesting story is just an excuse to show 3 minutes of tits", I can't take that shit serious.
Frankly, I think both of you are off base here, but in two different directions. Neither of you seem willing to entertain the idea that CDPR live somewhere in the middle.
Are they sexist? No. Are they virtuous? No. Is the writing atrocious for it? Probably not but it's still not very good.
They're just a company that tries to make good, solid games that don't rely on any one gimmick, but instead a big, cohesive, very well made package. Their approach to stories isn't the most forward or mature but they've clearly got more ambition than most others and try to provide a world that's not simplistic in terms of morality or consequence.
While I wouldn't call what was on display here sexist at all, I also wouldn't call it subtle or ambitious in terms of reshaping the cultural understanding of what it means to be dystopic—having women's bodies used as resources or property in a dystopic world is from an age of rampant sexism and it's something that is on display in this trailer. You can argue that it's sexism or you can argue that it's part of the aesthetic, but ultimately it's just following convention without question and that's a little lazy. CDPR is not a particularly imaginative developer.
But here's a real issue: you're being an asshole. You're both being quite restricted in your viewpoints but at least Kat is speaking for herself, whereas you're putting words in her mouth and speaking extremely condescendingly with nothing of your own contributed. Quit that shit, it's juvenile.
Kat may not have explained why she felt the writing was atrocious exactly but it's really not hard to figure out why. It just takes a bit of common sense and reading between the lines. Being proud that you're unable to consider another viewpoint and therefore unable to act like an adult does not make you sound like someone who has a particularly balanced counterpoint—it just makes you sound like another 14 year old on a gaming forum who wants to be the expert without any of the effort or work put in.
Not gonna speak for either of the two since my views differ slightly but I’m really curious why Kat deems the writing as actrocious. Rather, I want them to say it out of their own mouths; assumption’s not always going to be correct.
Hear hear, just because she has her tits out doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a sexism issue.
Can you imagine what’d happen if it’s a man with his dick in full view? Nothing. Nothing would happen unless /r/TheRedPill users take offense to that.
I mean, come on, in the same reveal I see a man’s ass in full view, no undies whatsoever. Am I supposed to be enraged by that?
No comment on CDPR in particular because I find The Witcher so overwhelmingly incompetent as a series that I can't really approach it with an even head, but oftentimes (and as it looks to do in this trailer) portrayal of bad things tends to play a dual role. You get to show a thing happening, whether it be violence or some bad sexual situation or whatever, and viewers / players get the pleasure of whatever that thing is, but they get to cover their ass by then showing in whatever way that that thing is bad.
Even if you don't conclude that it makes these things offensive (as I think plenty of good things fall into this), it's at least somewhat self-defeating. You want to show me big cool explosions or make me go "OOHHH SHIT" because a certain method of killing is really fun, then have an anti-war message? Unless it does a cheap mirror-turn, that's just a game being at odds with itself. This applies across the board, but the worst offenders here are probably with sexual violence or otherwise clearly sexist situations, which are regularly still framed as being sexy or like an opportunity for viewers / players to see nudity or something.
Depiction is not endorsement, but when that depiction is played for some kind of pleasure or satisfaction only to then reject it, it is trying to have its cake and eat it too. Even if the work directly says "hey this sexist thing is bad," that isn't the end of the conversation.
Curious, could you give me a few examples?
I don't get it. Are you saying that a woman's breasts are sexist? Or that it's sexist for breasts to be seen? Is it only when seen by men? Do you think women should never show their breasts? Or is that only for videogames? Do you consider the display of breasts in TV/movies to be sexist as well?
Or are you saying there is something sexist about showing a naked woman be rescued from a criminal gang who kidnapped her to steal her implants?
I'm honestly quite confused. That was not a situation where the viewer was supposed to be gawking at the near-dead woman.
This is a really disingenuous reading of the comment you replied to. I can only assume you're commenting from a universe where women are not regularly portrayed as sexual objects.
Just to be clear: A woman being attractive is not the same as a woman being objectified. This is clear to anyone who sees women as equal to men.
Sounds like exactly what I'd expect from CD Projekt Red. I'll probably be giving this a miss also.
can anyone in this thread give me context or backing to there responses. i feel like im ootl on something
CD Projekt Red has a reputation for their games being sexist male power fantasies. This probably dates to the first Witcher game, which notoriously featured trading cards for women your character slept with. The gameplay short for 2077 included prominent female nudity (along with male nudity), which given said reputation, definitely rubbed some people the wrong way. There was also some frankly cringey dialogue, the game is supposed to be 80's retrofuturistic but they were trying way too hard.
Myself, I think a lot of the flak is somewhat unfair, and coming from contrarians who dislike the massive circlejerk 2077 and TW3 have on reddit. In terms of sexism, their writing has come a long way from TW1, as, spoilers ahead, the entire point of TW3 is that you're a supporting character in Ciri's story, and any attempts to control her or circumscribe her agency have extremely negative consequences.
I haven't played any of the Witcher games, but this trailer just looked like a classic example of "sex sells" nothing really sexist about it. As for the trading cards, from my goggle search it looks like it was the women + other characters (http://steamtradingcards.wikia.com/wiki/The_Witcher_3:_Wild_Hunt)
They're referring to an element from The Witcher (2007), which does not exist in the more recent and much more lauded The Witcher 3 (2015).
I can see how some might take offense to that content (and likely a few other things) in the first game, but strongly disagree with characterizing TW3 as sexist. If anything, I think CDPR has done a great job of learning from their earlier mistakes and successes, they seem to take constructive criticism well, and I see no reason to expect anything less than a thoughtful, diverse, and exciting story for CP2077.
Agree with you on the trailer, I don't think it was particularly sexist. Regarding the trading cards, I'm not talking about Steam trading cards or the Witcher 3, I'm talking about the Witcher 1, which predates both by the better part of a decade. In TW1 you would get an in game collectible trading card whenever you slept with any women, to represent Geralt's 'sexual conquests'. Yeah. Wikipedia page mentions it, though in passing and not, oddly, under the controversy header that used to be there. Hm.
I also feel OOTL. There are cards in the game for lots of characters. Some of them you can sleep with. Sleeping with characters and attaining cards is unrelated.
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Invidio.us link, for those who don't like YouTube. (Not knocking your choice, just providing an alternative)
Invidious Redirect addon for people who don't like Youtube and don't want to manually change the URL every time.
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Thanks, updated the topic's link to that instead.
Huh, that doesn't show up in the topic log. Just the title change.
Yeah, I don't have a proper tool for editing the link yet, I just did it manually.
Spez style
Excellent! thank you.
Needs a NSFW tag on this.I'm really excited for this though! I watched a few minutes but I'll have to wait until I leave work to watch the rest.
Update: So I watched the entire thing and I'm even more excited for the game. I love that it's adding the "punk" back to cyberpunk and it's got such a cool gritty style to it. It reminded me of the movie Dredd at times with the cool pistol mods, the inhaler drugs, and slow motion action. I'm curious to see how far the hacking will go too. My concerns from watching the first few minutes of it possibly being over sexualized seem to not be the case all that much. Some of the dialogue was a bit awkward and cliché but that's the only real problem I saw. Also I'm wondering how many drivable areas there are.
Good point - I've added the tag, thanks!
Nsfw because of what? I always find this tag confusing without further context.
Extreme violence, language, and nudity.
Thank you. 😊
No problem!
Man, just as I was getting a handle on my hype, they drop this! Overall, it looks fantastic, and about in line with what we've been hearing from previews. A couple of notes:
I'll add in more once I get a chance to rewatch. This definitely matched my expectations and gave me a few distinct "wow" moments. I'll almost certainly have to update my PC for this, but it should be far enough out that I'll have enough saved up, although I wouldn't be too sad if it came sooner than expected :)
As for the trailer released, also this demo has a final frame with a message, apparently:
Does that mean the voice acting isn't final? Presumably if that much is still subject to change, they wouldn't have recorded all the speech yet. Honestly I was kind of disappointed by the quality of the acting, so I'd be happy to learn this was temporary.
The world looks great, combat looks great, tech looks great, even the hacking looks great - 48 minutes packed with information. Really looking forward to playing.
I don't think I've been this hyped about a video game in a long time. I'm ready for this game to exist so I can blow off all my adult responsibilities and play it instead of sleeping.
So, has anyone decoded the base64 yet? I typed in the first few characters manually and it has a PNG header, I doubt that PNG is 9 hours big though.
Edit: Here's a link to the original twitch VOD since Deimos ninja-changed it: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/302423092
Some people are working on it; don't see any breakthroughs yet, though.