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    1. Does the frequent addition of content to esport games delegitimize them?

      This questions ultimately rests on the supposition of what a game intends to be or what esport should be. This is partially why it probably won't spark too much discussion, but I'm interested in...

      This questions ultimately rests on the supposition of what a game intends to be or what esport should be. This is partially why it probably won't spark too much discussion, but I'm interested in your opinions nonetheless, especially when it comes to the current state of esports. It seems to me that when we are talking about rules in any kind of sport we want to change as little as we can over time. If the rules changes enough, you could argue that people have over time played what essentially is a different game. It becomes harder to compare achievements between players within the a timeline. Meta's and achievements will only really be comparable after games has stopped adding content such as new heroes or mechanics. With a lot of games there seems to be a major content patch, then long period of balancing and this cycle basically repeats itself. Another point is that by adding content and changing the meta you are preventing the current players from reaching their full potential, the older players from retaining their hard earned experience and discouraging new players by promising them a game they can never "beat". That is until the content stops coming in and in today's world that might mean that you are not able to play at all due to a lack of dedicated servers. Further the players that might once have stuck to it might already have left, leaving no opponents left to play against.

      This superficial take ultimately comes from someone who hasn't really played esports except a little bit of 1.6 counter strike and counter strike global offensive. It always struck me as odd that with MOBA's and especially with shooters such as overwatch and siege, that there seem to be no pushback on this. When I ask people that prefer this sort of drip-feed-service, what I usually hear is that it's something that is necessary to keep them engaged. Isn't there ultimately a trade-off here, between a sort of accessible fun and lack of constancy which prevents players from reaching their full potential?

      I immediately see the talking point of financial aspect of games. It seems to me however that Quake and counter strike largely went without major changes when compared to modern esports games. Are there any good broad rules we can use when designing esport games in order to avoid the issues mentioned here?

      In an ideal world, do you agree that we generally don't want kind of content and/or rule change that we see today?

      If there is a need to add content (such as heroes) to keep a game feeling "fresh". Is there an acknowledgement here that the core-gameplay isn't engaging enough? I think there is a case to be made here when it comes to MOBA's since knowledge (about enemy heroes abilities) plays a more central part when compared to more archaic shooters. Is this indicative of a an audience that is more interested in an entertaining service, rather than a (e)sport that seldom changes?

      When we look at games such as world of warcraft, which isn't an esport, yet there are achievements and historic events so to speak which became cheapened or not attainable until what was basically a restart of the timeline (story of the game). Is this not what we are risking with current service models in modern esports?

      15 votes
    2. Quake Pro League happening now at Lucca Comics and Games

      I don't know if people here are into twitch shooters, but one of the biggest Quake Champions tournaments of this year is happening now in Italy at Lucca Comics and Games. If you ever were into...

      I don't know if people here are into twitch shooters, but one of the biggest Quake Champions tournaments of this year is happening now in Italy at Lucca Comics and Games.

      If you ever were into competitive Quake, this tournament has names that you might have heard before in the previous iterations: Rapha, Cooller, Toxjq but also new young players.

      Twitch stream
      Liquipedia link
      Plusforward link

      6 votes
    3. Astralis vs Team Liquid / ELEAGUE CS:GO Premier 2018 - Grand-Final / Post-Match Discussion

      Astralis 2-0 Team Liquid Inferno: 16-5 Map stats: https://www.hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/70988/astralis-vs-liquid Nuke: 16-12 Map stats:...

      Astralis 2-0 Team Liquid

      Inferno: 16-5
      Map stats: https://www.hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/70988/astralis-vs-liquid

      Nuke: 16-12
      Map stats: https://www.hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/70995/liquid-vs-astralis

      Astralis win the Grand Final!

      4 votes
    4. Natus Vincere vs Team Liquid / ELEAGUE CS:GO Premier 2018 - Semi-Final / Post-Match Discussion

      Natus Vincere 0-2 Team Liquid Dust 2: 13-16 Map stats: https://www.hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/70934/natus-vincere-vs-liquid Overpass: 9-16 Map stats:...

      Natus Vincere 0-2 Team Liquid

      Dust 2: 13-16
      Map stats: https://www.hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/70934/natus-vincere-vs-liquid

      Overpass: 9-16
      Map stats: https://www.hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/70939/liquid-vs-natus-vincere

      Team Liquid upset NaVi to move on to the Grand final

      3 votes