(Mild Spoiler Alert) Word around town seems to be that Dune Part 3 is going into production quickly and will be based on Dune: Messiah to complete the arc of Paul's rise and fall and more...
(Mild Spoiler Alert)
Word around town seems to be that Dune Part 3 is going into production quickly and will be based on Dune: Messiah to complete the arc of Paul's rise and fall and more accurately communicate Frank Herbert's original messaging about the tragedy of following charismatic leaders. There's even some speculation that playing out that role on screen may get to showcase Timothee Chalamet's range as a dramatic actor and may even garner an Oscar nod.
Messiah ends Paul's story in a pretty definitive way. His role in Children is much smaller as the focus is on Leto and Ghanima. Like @scot said, the "message" of Dune is pretty well captured in...
Messiah ends Paul's story in a pretty definitive way. His role in Children is much smaller as the focus is on Leto and Ghanima. Like @scot said, the "message" of Dune is pretty well captured in books 1+2 even though a lot of folks think Messiah is the weaker of the two by a bit. I still liked it though.
Edit: Don't let that get in the way of adapting Children however haha. I'd love to see it. Heck, while I don't think God Emperor would make a good movie... an HBO limited series would be amazing.
True. I think Children finishes off Paul for me with finality that Messiah didn't, though it's less his story. As for the Messiah, I found it a more interesting read. I do hope they continue the...
True. I think Children finishes off Paul for me with finality that Messiah didn't, though it's less his story. As for the Messiah, I found it a more interesting read.
I do hope they continue the movies, though. I'd actually love to see the Bashar doing his thing along with Duncan back again.
Excited to see the first glimpses of Walken as Shaddam! This promises to be an interesting second installment, Villenueve's respect for the source material in the first movie was what held it...
Excited to see the first glimpses of Walken as Shaddam! This promises to be an interesting second installment, Villenueve's respect for the source material in the first movie was what held it together and he seems to be keeping the proper themes in mind for part 2.
Nooot a huge fan of this trailer or the other, but I get it. I almost didn't see Blade Runner 2049 because the trailers made it look like a templated cash grab action flick rather than something...
Nooot a huge fan of this trailer or the other, but I get it. I almost didn't see Blade Runner 2049 because the trailers made it look like a templated cash grab action flick rather than something that understood the source material.
I get the same vibe from these but I'm guessing/hoping it's just the usual "need to get in everyone who won't see it otherwise" thing. That's not to say any of it looks bad, but at the same time given certain tone's of the second half of the book this feels...awkward. I dunno, i'm probably just old and grumpy.
I understand your hesitation with adaptions. But I trust Denis Villaneuve. His Arrival adaption of a Ted Chiang's "Story of Your Life" is top of my list of movies. I've re-watched Dune pt1 about 8...
I understand your hesitation with adaptions. But I trust Denis Villaneuve. His Arrival adaption of a Ted Chiang's "Story of Your Life" is top of my list of movies. I've re-watched Dune pt1 about 8 times.
Personally I liked Blade Runner 2049 a whole lot more than I liked the original Blade Runner (Director's Cut or otherwise). I feel Villaneuve did a better job at communicating concepts to the...
Personally I liked Blade Runner 2049 a whole lot more than I liked the original Blade Runner (Director's Cut or otherwise). I feel Villaneuve did a better job at communicating concepts to the audience than Scott did. I also think the cinematography was better, and considering how good it was in the original, that's quite a compliment.
While I respect your opinion, I find it hard to believe that someone could think that coming out of the theater, as I thought it was fantastic. Looking forward to the 2nd one.
While I respect your opinion, I find it hard to believe that someone could think that coming out of the theater, as I thought it was fantastic.
I honestly feel like some people wanted it to be like a Marvel movie or whatever (blech). I'm honestly so grateful it was nothing like that. It was amazing, the best movie I've seen in a while and...
I honestly feel like some people wanted it to be like a Marvel movie or whatever (blech). I'm honestly so grateful it was nothing like that. It was amazing, the best movie I've seen in a while and the only one I watched twice in theaters since... I can't even remember, honestly.
I don't have any research to back this up, but it's my feeling that those who have read the book were more impressed with the film than those who haven't. If true, it's interesting because it's...
I don't have any research to back this up, but it's my feeling that those who have read the book were more impressed with the film than those who haven't. If true, it's interesting because it's often the other way round, and shows what a good job Villeneuve did.
I miss the dinner scene, and a few of the characters got a little shafted on characterization, but overall, the movie is a great adaptation. I agree with this sentiment. Folks I've spoken to also...
I miss the dinner scene, and a few of the characters got a little shafted on characterization, but overall, the movie is a great adaptation. I agree with this sentiment. Folks I've spoken to also seem to like if more if they've read the book.
Thanks for this comment, and I think I agree. At the risk of alienating everyone, and as someone who's read a reasonable amount of classic literature... The book is not "literature", per se. It's...
Thanks for this comment, and I think I agree.
At the risk of alienating everyone, and as someone who's read a reasonable amount of classic literature... The book is not "literature", per se. It's pop lit. But it's much more interesting than bland binary fairy tales like LotR or, god forbid, YA tripe like Narnia or Harry Potter.
I leave the discussion of comics to another thread.
This is not to say that Dune is some kind of literary masterpiece – it really isn't. But at least it was serious. And thankfully, the movie took itself seriously and didn't debase itself and the source material.
LOTR a bland binary fairy tale? I also need to know what they think is “real” literature. Reads like one of those people who will say video games can’t be art or that animation is only for children.
LOTR a bland binary fairy tale?
I also need to know what they think is “real” literature. Reads like one of those people who will say video games can’t be art or that animation is only for children.
Well, you know... Of course it's subjective. For me personality, some names would be: Gogol, Pamuk, Hardy, Atwood, Eco, Shakespeare... For Dune specifically, I enjoyed it. I felt that some of the...
Well, you know... Of course it's subjective.
For me personality, some names would be: Gogol, Pamuk, Hardy, Atwood, Eco, Shakespeare...
For Dune specifically, I enjoyed it. I felt that some of the cultural aspects were a little too derivative. I don't really want to write an essay here and I did like the book. I was very excited to see the film and was thrilled that it turned out to be as good as it was.
For something like LotR... I also enjoyed reading that, but it's so... on the nose with the author's biases (the noble, Western/Northern, coughwhite heroes vs. the despicable, swarthy, Eastern/Southern villains, etc.)
Narnia is just a joke to me, but I grew up in a religious cult that used such material for indoctrination so that's probably a personal bias.
For some speculative fiction that does not use an existing Earth culture to demonstrate alien-ness (via presumed audience unfamiliarity), I would suggest Peter Watts or Octavia Butler or N. K. Jemisin.
Not true in my case. I never read the book. Didn't know anything about the plot when I entered the theater, except there was something about "spice." And I thought the movie was awesome. I watched...
Not true in my case. I never read the book. Didn't know anything about the plot when I entered the theater, except there was something about "spice." And I thought the movie was awesome. I watched it twice more at home since it left the theaters and I can't wait for part 2, even though the trailer is kind of meh.
I've read the book over a dozen times, I still don't want to watch the trailer because the first movie was so good and I don't want to spoil anything. I recommend the audiobook, it has multiple...
I've read the book over a dozen times, I still don't want to watch the trailer because the first movie was so good and I don't want to spoil anything. I recommend the audiobook, it has multiple voice actors which makes it a lot easier to keep all the characters separated, I feel like I caught stuff I missed even from my read throughs.
I recently listened to that audiobook and I'm a bit torn. When the conversation is done by different voice actors, it's really good, indeed. But other times it's the narrator changing his voice...
I recently listened to that audiobook and I'm a bit torn. When the conversation is done by different voice actors, it's really good, indeed. But other times it's the narrator changing his voice and for me it was super confusing and I had to rewind multiple times. It got better with time, though...
I have rewatched 2001 SyFy miniseries recently because I was curious how well did it hold up. It was done on a shoestring budget but I really enjoyed it. Both SyFy miniseries and Villeneuve...
I have rewatched 2001 SyFy miniseries recently because I was curious how well did it hold up. It was done on a shoestring budget but I really enjoyed it. Both SyFy miniseries and Villeneuve feature are mostly true to the source material so it can be expected that they'd be hitting certain plot points similarly but it's uncanny how familiar this trailer looks. They are setting up Messiah much more here though.
I never closed a trailer before completely watching it. The trailer is formulaic and uninteresting. The moaning woman music. Quick cuts of scenes that aren't particularly thrilling. There is a je...
I never closed a trailer before completely watching it. The trailer is formulaic and uninteresting. The moaning woman music. Quick cuts of scenes that aren't particularly thrilling. There is a je ne sais quois here conveying Dune part 2 will be more of empty sets, a lifeless world, and minimal plot to fill up the self-indulgent two hours or whatever it is. Glad I pirated the first film. Don't think I'll pirate this one.
(Mild Spoiler Alert)
Word around town seems to be that Dune Part 3 is going into production quickly and will be based on Dune: Messiah to complete the arc of Paul's rise and fall and more accurately communicate Frank Herbert's original messaging about the tragedy of following charismatic leaders. There's even some speculation that playing out that role on screen may get to showcase Timothee Chalamet's range as a dramatic actor and may even garner an Oscar nod.
Wouldn't they basically need to also to Children of Dune to complete Paul's arc? Though Children is less on Paul than the first two books.
Messiah ends Paul's story in a pretty definitive way. His role in Children is much smaller as the focus is on Leto and Ghanima. Like @scot said, the "message" of Dune is pretty well captured in books 1+2 even though a lot of folks think Messiah is the weaker of the two by a bit. I still liked it though.
Edit: Don't let that get in the way of adapting Children however haha. I'd love to see it. Heck, while I don't think God Emperor would make a good movie... an HBO limited series would be amazing.
True. I think Children finishes off Paul for me with finality that Messiah didn't, though it's less his story. As for the Messiah, I found it a more interesting read.
I do hope they continue the movies, though. I'd actually love to see the Bashar doing his thing along with Duncan back again.
Excited to see the first glimpses of Walken as Shaddam! This promises to be an interesting second installment, Villenueve's respect for the source material in the first movie was what held it together and he seems to be keeping the proper themes in mind for part 2.
Nooot a huge fan of this trailer or the other, but I get it. I almost didn't see Blade Runner 2049 because the trailers made it look like a templated cash grab action flick rather than something that understood the source material.
I get the same vibe from these but I'm guessing/hoping it's just the usual "need to get in everyone who won't see it otherwise" thing. That's not to say any of it looks bad, but at the same time given certain tone's of the second half of the book this feels...awkward. I dunno, i'm probably just old and grumpy.
I understand your hesitation with adaptions. But I trust Denis Villaneuve. His Arrival adaption of a Ted Chiang's "Story of Your Life" is top of my list of movies. I've re-watched Dune pt1 about 8 times.
Personally I liked Blade Runner 2049 a whole lot more than I liked the original Blade Runner (Director's Cut or otherwise). I feel Villaneuve did a better job at communicating concepts to the audience than Scott did. I also think the cinematography was better, and considering how good it was in the original, that's quite a compliment.
If the first movie was any indicator ... it was very very respectful of the book source material.
The latest Dune film is lifeless and plodding. I expect the second part to be more of the same.
While I respect your opinion, I find it hard to believe that someone could think that coming out of the theater, as I thought it was fantastic.
Looking forward to the 2nd one.
I honestly feel like some people wanted it to be like a Marvel movie or whatever (blech). I'm honestly so grateful it was nothing like that. It was amazing, the best movie I've seen in a while and the only one I watched twice in theaters since... I can't even remember, honestly.
I don't have any research to back this up, but it's my feeling that those who have read the book were more impressed with the film than those who haven't. If true, it's interesting because it's often the other way round, and shows what a good job Villeneuve did.
I miss the dinner scene, and a few of the characters got a little shafted on characterization, but overall, the movie is a great adaptation. I agree with this sentiment. Folks I've spoken to also seem to like if more if they've read the book.
Thanks for this comment, and I think I agree.
At the risk of alienating everyone, and as someone who's read a reasonable amount of classic literature... The book is not "literature", per se. It's pop lit. But it's much more interesting than bland binary fairy tales like LotR or, god forbid, YA tripe like Narnia or Harry Potter.
I leave the discussion of comics to another thread.
This is not to say that Dune is some kind of literary masterpiece – it really isn't. But at least it was serious. And thankfully, the movie took itself seriously and didn't debase itself and the source material.
What is your inclusion criteria for "literature" ?
LOTR a bland binary fairy tale?
I also need to know what they think is “real” literature. Reads like one of those people who will say video games can’t be art or that animation is only for children.
Well, you know... Of course it's subjective.
For me personality, some names would be: Gogol, Pamuk, Hardy, Atwood, Eco, Shakespeare...
For Dune specifically, I enjoyed it. I felt that some of the cultural aspects were a little too derivative. I don't really want to write an essay here and I did like the book. I was very excited to see the film and was thrilled that it turned out to be as good as it was.
For something like LotR... I also enjoyed reading that, but it's so... on the nose with the author's biases (the noble, Western/Northern, coughwhite heroes vs. the despicable, swarthy, Eastern/Southern villains, etc.)
Narnia is just a joke to me, but I grew up in a religious cult that used such material for indoctrination so that's probably a personal bias.
For some speculative fiction that does not use an existing Earth culture to demonstrate alien-ness (via presumed audience unfamiliarity), I would suggest Peter Watts or Octavia Butler or N. K. Jemisin.
Not true in my case. I never read the book. Didn't know anything about the plot when I entered the theater, except there was something about "spice." And I thought the movie was awesome. I watched it twice more at home since it left the theaters and I can't wait for part 2, even though the trailer is kind of meh.
This trailer has every single spoiler possible. That's crazy.
Good thing I just finished reading the book, otherwise I would be very upset.
I have yet to actually read the entire book (I've started it like 3 times), but this trailer gave me chills. Really looking forward to it.
I've read the book over a dozen times, I still don't want to watch the trailer because the first movie was so good and I don't want to spoil anything. I recommend the audiobook, it has multiple voice actors which makes it a lot easier to keep all the characters separated, I feel like I caught stuff I missed even from my read throughs.
I recently listened to that audiobook and I'm a bit torn. When the conversation is done by different voice actors, it's really good, indeed. But other times it's the narrator changing his voice and for me it was super confusing and I had to rewind multiple times. It got better with time, though...
Agreed the part where it switches to just the Narrator is definitely jarring at first
I have rewatched 2001 SyFy miniseries recently because I was curious how well did it hold up. It was done on a shoestring budget but I really enjoyed it. Both SyFy miniseries and Villeneuve feature are mostly true to the source material so it can be expected that they'd be hitting certain plot points similarly but it's uncanny how familiar this trailer looks. They are setting up Messiah much more here though.
I never closed a trailer before completely watching it. The trailer is formulaic and uninteresting. The moaning woman music. Quick cuts of scenes that aren't particularly thrilling. There is a je ne sais quois here conveying Dune part 2 will be more of empty sets, a lifeless world, and minimal plot to fill up the self-indulgent two hours or whatever it is. Glad I pirated the first film. Don't think I'll pirate this one.
Comments like these remind me there really is no accounting for taste. You do you but Villeneuve hasn’t missed yet IMO.
The studios are finding innovative ways to fight pirating.