Speaking of LeBouf. Shoehorning humans in as the protagonists in my transformers movies: the movies where I want to watch giant robots deal with giant robot problems.
Speaking of LeBouf. Shoehorning humans in as the protagonists in my transformers movies: the movies where I want to watch giant robots deal with giant robot problems.
But this is true in just about every Transformer series. Besides that, humans kind of have to exist for Transformers to be transformers. Otherwise you get Beast Wars.
But this is true in just about every Transformer series.
Besides that, humans kind of have to exist for Transformers to be transformers. Otherwise you get Beast Wars.
Well I actually was a bigger fan of beast wars growing up. Did watch most of the series though. Let’s take the animated transformers movie for an example. It had transformers, and several other...
Well I actually was a bigger fan of beast wars growing up. Did watch most of the series though.
Let’s take the animated transformers movie for an example. It had transformers, and several other groups of sentient robots, as well as humans.
It was well established that they all transformed without humans specifically dictating their vehicle forms. And several of the games don’t even involve planet earth at all, so the things you transform into are a bit more alien, like hover cars or tanks with laser guns on them.
And back to the movie. All this side alien/robot characters played as much of a role for the plot as the humans did: very little.
I also liked beast wars the best, but to be fair it was the only Transformers I had seen at the time. The writing on all the newer series were not quite up to par. I meant to say that the humans...
I also liked beast wars the best, but to be fair it was the only Transformers I had seen at the time. The writing on all the newer series were not quite up to par.
I meant to say that the humans were necessary insofar as they are transforming into things that humans have invented, though. I also prefer them to be out of the way.
I can excuse it for the first movie. But with the second movie it's young adults having an adventure with Transformers simply being there to make spectacular set pieces for the human protagonists...
I can excuse it for the first movie. But with the second movie it's young adults having an adventure with Transformers simply being there to make spectacular set pieces for the human protagonists to run through.
Rise of the Beasts is a strong step in the right direction. It still has a bit much human stuff but more than one robot gets character development. And the human gets to form a friendship with a Transformer that can actually talk.
I just don’t know if I have it in me to watch another live action transformers movie. On the other hand. The transformers war for cubertron series on Netflix was pretty good. I think it does a...
I just don’t know if I have it in me to watch another live action transformers movie.
On the other hand. The transformers war for cubertron series on Netflix was pretty good. I think it does a great job of tying all the transformers lore together, and making the show actually be about transformers.
I know how you feel. I loved the first movie but the second one hurt me. And the next, and the next. I still haven't watched 5. But Bumblebee found it's footing and more importantly, it's heart....
I know how you feel. I loved the first movie but the second one hurt me. And the next, and the next. I still haven't watched 5. But Bumblebee found it's footing and more importantly, it's heart. Rise of the Beasts continues that.
The... Netflix series.... was a bit.... too.... dramatic.
Seriously nearly every character spoke with the cadence of William Shatner. I honestly enjoyed the show more once I started watching it at 1.5x speed.
If you like tying the lore together, give the new movie a try. They pull ideas and concepts from not only G1 and Beast Wars, but also RiD2001(Via Scourge's design), and the Unicron Trilogy - the human lead dons an exo suit at one point and fights alongside the Transformers ala Kicker Jones from Energon.
And there's even a nice moment when characters from these different corners of the Transformers mythos share a 'Till All Are One moment. Brought a lil tear to my eye.
Haha yeah, it’s certainly not perfect. I think any nostalgic property that involves a kids tv show that was made to sell toys will always be a bit…. Not great, when they remake them. It’s a...
Haha yeah, it’s certainly not perfect. I think any nostalgic property that involves a kids tv show that was made to sell toys will always be a bit…. Not great, when they remake them.
It’s a mixture of our nostalgia imagining the characters a certain way, even if the shows were ultimately a bit shallow in lore or character development.
Like, I can barely remember anything about beast wars, because not much actually happened. It was usually just an advertisement for a new toy each episode. The big moments were few and far between, like when they all changed form to be more robotic animals mid show. But man did I love them as a kid.
I think the first animated movie got so much attention because it actually changed the status quo by killing everyone’s favourite transformer.
So the Netflix show is “ok” but still a bit slow and shallow like the old cartoons.
Randy Pearson (Josh Meyers) replacing Eric Forman (Topher Grace) in That 70s Show's last season. John Doggett (Robert Patrick) replacing Fox Mulder (David Duchovny) in The X-Files, season 9. It...
Randy Pearson (Josh Meyers) replacing Eric Forman (Topher Grace) in That 70s Show's last season.
John Doggett (Robert Patrick) replacing Fox Mulder (David Duchovny) in The X-Files, season 9. It boggles the mind that they thought this show could work without Mulder...
I feel like I'm the only person in the world who really doesn't mind Randy. Like don't get me wrong, the last season is easily the worst, but I don't think Randy is entirely the reason for that.
I feel like I'm the only person in the world who really doesn't mind Randy. Like don't get me wrong, the last season is easily the worst, but I don't think Randy is entirely the reason for that.
I actually agree with you. Mulder's story wasn't that great by then anyway if we're being objective, and imo the problem with x-files wasn't the replacement. It was just everything by the end.
I actually agree with you. Mulder's story wasn't that great by then anyway if we're being objective, and imo the problem with x-files wasn't the replacement.
Let me tell you about a series called Sliders. First: we get rid of a character everyone likes, Arturo and replace him with a strange angry woman who gets into conflicts with our established...
Let me tell you about a series called Sliders.
First: we get rid of a character everyone likes, Arturo and replace him with a strange angry woman who gets into conflicts with our established female character (Wade).
Then, we get rid of Wade by placing her in a breeding camp who everyone liked and replace her with Collin, Mallory Quinn's brother who is the key to fighting the Kromags (quite possibly the worst and weakest villain race ever created).
Then Mallory wants to leave so we replace him with someone else named Quinn Mallory who is a merging of two characters where they start the season, and the actor who plays the new Quinn Mallory now called Mallory has no character, very few lines, and is no longer the focus of the series. Also, the main villains just kind of disappear, and Collin, the character we introduced in Season 4 is now permanently trapped in Limbo or possibly dead per conversation with the main characters. By the series finally we just kind of forget about him.
The whole series was plagued by poor writing. It had the same concept as Rick and Morty before Rick and Morty, but basically messed it all up.
I have a real soft spot for sliders, but doing a full cast replace is never a good sign. You could really see the point when the writers went from "In this reality a specific historic event...
I have a real soft spot for sliders, but doing a full cast replace is never a good sign. You could really see the point when the writers went from "In this reality a specific historic event happened differently which had this result." to "I don't know, welcome to tornado world I guess."
I kind of remember one that was like a wild west Wallstreet where stockbrokers played poker and a hostile takeover involved showdowns at high noon, but not much else.
I kind of remember one that was like a wild west Wallstreet where stockbrokers played poker and a hostile takeover involved showdowns at high noon, but not much else.
That was one of the worst episodes I ever watched. I have it etched in my mind because it makes you wonder how the fuck a society even forms when everyone just shoots each other?
That was one of the worst episodes I ever watched. I have it etched in my mind because it makes you wonder how the fuck a society even forms when everyone just shoots each other?
The production of that show had many problems. Bad writing was just one of them. It’s something of a miracle it got picked up so many times, but at the same time, maybe it should not have.
The production of that show had many problems. Bad writing was just one of them. It’s something of a miracle it got picked up so many times, but at the same time, maybe it should not have.
Yes and no. The executives at Fox, who commissioned the show, and Tracy Tormé, the creator, had different ideas about what the show would be. Tormé created an alternate-history show, to explore...
The whole series was plagued by poor writing.
Yes and no. The executives at Fox, who commissioned the show, and Tracy Tormé, the creator, had different ideas about what the show would be. Tormé created an alternate-history show, to explore "what if" questions about the modern world. Fox thought they were buying a science-fiction adventure show.
Tormé got to make two half-length seasons his way (mostly), before he gave up on fighting Fox, and walked away.
That's when David Peckinpah took over. And he tried to write the series that Fox wanted. Which is when 'Sliders' jumped the shark, John Rhys-Davies walked out, and the show went to shit.
So, it was bad writing, but only because the Fox network forced the show to be something it was never intended to be.
Did anybody else watch Avenue 5? Bleak dark comedy sci-fi show on HBO with Hugh Laurie and a bunch of lesser-known mostly British actors playing Americans on a doomed space cruise. The first...
Did anybody else watch Avenue 5? Bleak dark comedy sci-fi show on HBO with Hugh Laurie and a bunch of lesser-known mostly British actors playing Americans on a doomed space cruise. The first season was terrific, then there was this pandemic thing during which their studio burned down, and after much delay a really disappointing second season dropped and it was summarily canceled after that.
But that first season, that was a heck of a show.
Anyway, there’s a character named Sarah who meets an untimely demise in season 1 due to her own stupidity. Then in season 2 she comes back! Oh wait, no, that’s not Sarah, it’s her identical twin Zarah. I mean I’m pretty sure they were deliberately taking the piss because it’s just that kind of show, but it was beautifully hamfisted.
And Zarah who is on earth, plays her dead twin sister in the show within a show tv dramatic retelling of the Avenue 5 ship shenanigans. That show was surreal and pretty fun.
And Zarah who is on earth, plays her dead twin sister in the show within a show tv dramatic retelling of the Avenue 5 ship shenanigans. That show was surreal and pretty fun.
Not quite shoehorning a “new” protagonist in, but more so an old one. Shoehorning Legolas into The Hobbit movies. There was absolutely no need to have him in the movies, he was never in the books,...
Not quite shoehorning a “new” protagonist in, but more so an old one. Shoehorning Legolas into The Hobbit movies. There was absolutely no need to have him in the movies, he was never in the books, and it just was completely out of place.
One of many…interesting… choices in The Hobbit movies.
Also with The Office, that episode on Shrute Farms near the end was them trying to shoe-horn a spinoff series about Dwight's family. I'm glad they didn't try to run with that one.
Also with The Office, that episode on Shrute Farms near the end was them trying to shoe-horn a spinoff series about Dwight's family. I'm glad they didn't try to run with that one.
I actually like that episode, but I don't think an entire show would make sense. The glimpses of Dwight's farm life where interesting precisely because they were glimpses.
I actually like that episode, but I don't think an entire show would make sense.
The glimpses of Dwight's farm life where interesting precisely because they were glimpses.
Just looked it up. Season 9 Episode 17, titled The Farm. It's the one where there's a Shrute funeral and Packer shows up at the office and drugs the cupcakes. Easily the funniest part to me is...
Just looked it up. Season 9 Episode 17, titled The Farm.
It's the one where there's a Shrute funeral and Packer shows up at the office and drugs the cupcakes. Easily the funniest part to me is Oscar's reaction to them pulling out the shotgun at the funeral.
He was essentially the Man with No Name from the Dollars trilogy crossed over with the Lone Wanderer from Fallout. Definitely a fun character concept for a bounty hunter / assassin, but the only...
He was essentially the Man with No Name from the Dollars trilogy crossed over with the Lone Wanderer from Fallout. Definitely a fun character concept for a bounty hunter / assassin, but the only thing I could think of every time he was on screen was some producer wanted to make the next Mandalorian.
And it seems like they're trying to do it again with the new Indy movie, too.
Example: Shia LeBouf in Indiana Jones Crystal Skull. You can tell they were trying to see if fans were ok with him taking over the franchise and It didn't work at all.
And it seems like they're trying to do it again with the new Indy movie, too.
If they gave him the space and support to turn short round into his own full fledged character instead of "indy but asian" and wrote him a story that isn't riding Harrison ford's coattails, I'd be...
If they gave him the space and support to turn short round into his own full fledged character instead of "indy but asian" and wrote him a story that isn't riding Harrison ford's coattails, I'd be all about it, but the chance of a studio pulling that off well is pretty low. Also I feel like Ke Huy Quan didn't want to be known as "the short round" guy his whole life.
Not to mention the character is a racist stereotype just like most of the non-white characters in that movie. I still love Temple of Doom but gotta be honest about that.
Not to mention the character is a racist stereotype just like most of the non-white characters in that movie. I still love Temple of Doom but gotta be honest about that.
I don't know how well this applies, but season 1 of Parks and Recreation had the most unmemorable male lead. I have a hard time even remembering his name, I always referred to him as "Boring Jim"....
I don't know how well this applies, but season 1 of Parks and Recreation had the most unmemorable male lead. I have a hard time even remembering his name, I always referred to him as "Boring Jim". And they just kinda dropped him after the first season and no one missed him.
Speaking of LeBouf. Shoehorning humans in as the protagonists in my transformers movies: the movies where I want to watch giant robots deal with giant robot problems.
Most of the time, the answer is just LeBouf, honestly.
Actual cannibal Shia LeBouf.
Unstable world economy?
Shingles outbreak?
Leaky roof?
LeBouf
But if you need some entertainment just have him try to hide a flag from the internet. The whole saga of that was hilarious.
But this is true in just about every Transformer series.
Besides that, humans kind of have to exist for Transformers to be transformers. Otherwise you get Beast Wars.
Well I actually was a bigger fan of beast wars growing up. Did watch most of the series though.
Let’s take the animated transformers movie for an example. It had transformers, and several other groups of sentient robots, as well as humans.
It was well established that they all transformed without humans specifically dictating their vehicle forms. And several of the games don’t even involve planet earth at all, so the things you transform into are a bit more alien, like hover cars or tanks with laser guns on them.
And back to the movie. All this side alien/robot characters played as much of a role for the plot as the humans did: very little.
Just the way I like it.
I also liked beast wars the best, but to be fair it was the only Transformers I had seen at the time. The writing on all the newer series were not quite up to par.
I meant to say that the humans were necessary insofar as they are transforming into things that humans have invented, though. I also prefer them to be out of the way.
I can excuse it for the first movie. But with the second movie it's young adults having an adventure with Transformers simply being there to make spectacular set pieces for the human protagonists to run through.
Rise of the Beasts is a strong step in the right direction. It still has a bit much human stuff but more than one robot gets character development. And the human gets to form a friendship with a Transformer that can actually talk.
I just don’t know if I have it in me to watch another live action transformers movie.
On the other hand. The transformers war for cubertron series on Netflix was pretty good. I think it does a great job of tying all the transformers lore together, and making the show actually be about transformers.
Worth a look if you’re feel nostalgic.
I know how you feel. I loved the first movie but the second one hurt me. And the next, and the next. I still haven't watched 5. But Bumblebee found it's footing and more importantly, it's heart. Rise of the Beasts continues that.
The... Netflix series.... was a bit.... too.... dramatic.
Seriously nearly every character spoke with the cadence of William Shatner. I honestly enjoyed the show more once I started watching it at 1.5x speed.
If you like tying the lore together, give the new movie a try. They pull ideas and concepts from not only G1 and Beast Wars, but also RiD2001(Via Scourge's design), and the Unicron Trilogy - the human lead dons an exo suit at one point and fights alongside the Transformers ala Kicker Jones from Energon.
And there's even a nice moment when characters from these different corners of the Transformers mythos share a 'Till All Are One moment. Brought a lil tear to my eye.
Haha yeah, it’s certainly not perfect. I think any nostalgic property that involves a kids tv show that was made to sell toys will always be a bit…. Not great, when they remake them.
It’s a mixture of our nostalgia imagining the characters a certain way, even if the shows were ultimately a bit shallow in lore or character development.
Like, I can barely remember anything about beast wars, because not much actually happened. It was usually just an advertisement for a new toy each episode. The big moments were few and far between, like when they all changed form to be more robotic animals mid show. But man did I love them as a kid.
I think the first animated movie got so much attention because it actually changed the status quo by killing everyone’s favourite transformer.
So the Netflix show is “ok” but still a bit slow and shallow like the old cartoons.
Randy Pearson (Josh Meyers) replacing Eric Forman (Topher Grace) in That 70s Show's last season.
John Doggett (Robert Patrick) replacing Fox Mulder (David Duchovny) in The X-Files, season 9. It boggles the mind that they thought this show could work without Mulder...
I feel like I'm the only person in the world who really doesn't mind Randy. Like don't get me wrong, the last season is easily the worst, but I don't think Randy is entirely the reason for that.
I actually agree with you. Mulder's story wasn't that great by then anyway if we're being objective, and imo the problem with x-files wasn't the replacement.
It was just everything by the end.
Oh I was talking about That 70s Show, not the X-Files haha
Lol whoops
I suppose he's a nice fella but he has no place in that show.
Let me tell you about a series called Sliders.
First: we get rid of a character everyone likes, Arturo and replace him with a strange angry woman who gets into conflicts with our established female character (Wade).
Then, we get rid of Wade by placing her in a breeding camp who everyone liked and replace her with Collin, Mallory Quinn's brother who is the key to fighting the Kromags (quite possibly the worst and weakest villain race ever created).
Then Mallory wants to leave so we replace him with someone else named Quinn Mallory who is a merging of two characters where they start the season, and the actor who plays the new Quinn Mallory now called Mallory has no character, very few lines, and is no longer the focus of the series. Also, the main villains just kind of disappear, and Collin, the character we introduced in Season 4 is now permanently trapped in Limbo or possibly dead per conversation with the main characters. By the series finally we just kind of forget about him.
The whole series was plagued by poor writing. It had the same concept as Rick and Morty before Rick and Morty, but basically messed it all up.
I have a real soft spot for sliders, but doing a full cast replace is never a good sign. You could really see the point when the writers went from "In this reality a specific historic event happened differently which had this result." to "I don't know, welcome to tornado world I guess."
Do you remember Kromags in the Wild West episode?! Why did the humans give that Kromag a pass?!
I kind of remember one that was like a wild west Wallstreet where stockbrokers played poker and a hostile takeover involved showdowns at high noon, but not much else.
That was one of the worst episodes I ever watched. I have it etched in my mind because it makes you wonder how the fuck a society even forms when everyone just shoots each other?
The production of that show had many problems. Bad writing was just one of them. It’s something of a miracle it got picked up so many times, but at the same time, maybe it should not have.
Yes and no. The executives at Fox, who commissioned the show, and Tracy Tormé, the creator, had different ideas about what the show would be. Tormé created an alternate-history show, to explore "what if" questions about the modern world. Fox thought they were buying a science-fiction adventure show.
Tormé got to make two half-length seasons his way (mostly), before he gave up on fighting Fox, and walked away.
That's when David Peckinpah took over. And he tried to write the series that Fox wanted. Which is when 'Sliders' jumped the shark, John Rhys-Davies walked out, and the show went to shit.
So, it was bad writing, but only because the Fox network forced the show to be something it was never intended to be.
Did anybody else watch Avenue 5? Bleak dark comedy sci-fi show on HBO with Hugh Laurie and a bunch of lesser-known mostly British actors playing Americans on a doomed space cruise. The first season was terrific, then there was this pandemic thing during which their studio burned down, and after much delay a really disappointing second season dropped and it was summarily canceled after that.
But that first season, that was a heck of a show.
Anyway, there’s a character named Sarah who meets an untimely demise in season 1 due to her own stupidity. Then in season 2 she comes back! Oh wait, no, that’s not Sarah, it’s her identical twin Zarah. I mean I’m pretty sure they were deliberately taking the piss because it’s just that kind of show, but it was beautifully hamfisted.
And Zarah who is on earth, plays her dead twin sister in the show within a show tv dramatic retelling of the Avenue 5 ship shenanigans. That show was surreal and pretty fun.
Armando Ianucci is a national treasure. If you enjoyed Avenue 5, give The Thick of It, The Death of Stalin, and In The Loop a go as well.
Not quite shoehorning a “new” protagonist in, but more so an old one. Shoehorning Legolas into The Hobbit movies. There was absolutely no need to have him in the movies, he was never in the books, and it just was completely out of place.
One of many…interesting… choices in The Hobbit movies.
Fake Jim and fake Dwight in the office maybe? The characters weren't terrible, but they definitely weren't spawning a new show.
Also with The Office, that episode on Shrute Farms near the end was them trying to shoe-horn a spinoff series about Dwight's family. I'm glad they didn't try to run with that one.
I actually like that episode, but I don't think an entire show would make sense.
The glimpses of Dwight's farm life where interesting precisely because they were glimpses.
That's the one!
Do you know the season and episode number of it? I watch the office a lot and I feel like I don't remember that ..
Just looked it up. Season 9 Episode 17, titled The Farm.
It's the one where there's a Shrute funeral and Packer shows up at the office and drugs the cupcakes. Easily the funniest part to me is Oscar's reaction to them pulling out the shotgun at the funeral.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farm_(The_Office)
Ah yes, okay I remember that one. Thanks!
I dunno, I thought Randall Park was pretty great.
What series was this? I didn't watch anything past Michael leaving, which I think was the end of 7.
Mr. Nobody in John Wick 4 stuck out like a sore thumb. Felt like he was just in the film to set up a spin-off.
Yeah, he was cool as hell and I liked his story and vibe, but he felt like a character from a different franchise
He was essentially the Man with No Name from the Dollars trilogy crossed over with the Lone Wanderer from Fallout. Definitely a fun character concept for a bounty hunter / assassin, but the only thing I could think of every time he was on screen was some producer wanted to make the next Mandalorian.
And it seems like they're trying to do it again with the new Indy movie, too.
They had the right one-- Ke Huy Quan and the adventures of Short Round. What a world that would've been, and it's a missed opportunity.
If they gave him the space and support to turn short round into his own full fledged character instead of "indy but asian" and wrote him a story that isn't riding Harrison ford's coattails, I'd be all about it, but the chance of a studio pulling that off well is pretty low. Also I feel like Ke Huy Quan didn't want to be known as "the short round" guy his whole life.
Not to mention the character is a racist stereotype just like most of the non-white characters in that movie. I still love Temple of Doom but gotta be honest about that.
No doubt. A high quality one-off would've filled the bill, even with another actor.
Antiquarian shenanigans in Cold War Asia would have had so much potential
I don't know how well this applies, but season 1 of Parks and Recreation had the most unmemorable male lead. I have a hard time even remembering his name, I always referred to him as "Boring Jim". And they just kinda dropped him after the first season and no one missed him.