I am definitely excited for Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luthor. I have been an enjoyer of his performances since About A Boy, and I think he is rarely better than when he is playing an outlandish...
I am definitely excited for Nicholas Hoult as Hitman Lex Luthor. I have been an enjoyer of his performances since About A Boy, and I think he is rarely better than when he is playing an outlandish character - Nux (Mad Max), Hank McCoy (X Men), Renfield (Renfield), R (Warm Bodies), or even Tyler (The Menu). This is a huge step up from Jesse Eisenberg as Luthor; while I like Eisenberg in lots of things, there's always a real sameness to a lot of his characters, which have the same feel as Michael Cera caricatures.
I am underwhelmed by their superman actor, and the things that were teased didn't genuinely pull me in. I give this a tepid "okay"; I don't think it's going to recapture the fervor people experienced for Marvel between 2008 - 2019.
I thought the actor they used for Supes/Clark was a bit to big in terms of musculature. I suppose it's more in line with the modern ideal of a (super)man, but the moments as Clark didn't resonate...
I thought the actor they used for Supes/Clark was a bit to big in terms of musculature. I suppose it's more in line with the modern ideal of a (super)man, but the moments as Clark didn't resonate with me. I could just be getting old though.
I'm not saying this to be argumentative, but merely as an observation about how different people get different things out of art. The thing that feels underwhelming to me is that from what I've...
I'm not saying this to be argumentative, but merely as an observation about how different people get different things out of art.
The thing that feels underwhelming to me is that from what I've seen, it doesn't feel like Corenswet has the physical presence that superman should have. He's very lanky, and I felt like he lacked the bulk of Superman. He's about the right height, but doesn't have the physique of Cavill or Hoechlin... or Welling, or Reeve, or Routh. Part of it might be the suit, which just wasn't working for me. It's a throwback to the Reeve suit, but that was a product of its time and not one of the great suits.
I think Superman got really buff in the 1980s partly due to the John Byrne era. For a long time, he was kind of a strong regular dude. His strength, wherever it comes from, is not a function of...
I think Superman got really buff in the 1980s partly due to the John Byrne era. For a long time, he was kind of a strong regular dude. His strength, wherever it comes from, is not a function of his muscles. Supergirl is almost as strong as him, sometimes more, and she is not very muscular. Hell, even Superman's hair is invulnerable a lot of times. I am okay with a non-buff Superman for in-universe reasons but also because maintaining that kind of body is just not healthy and largely impossible without harmful drugs. The one thing that I always mention is that Superman must be not only handsome but the very epitome of handsome, as he is the modern equivalent to the Adonis. Cavill and Reeves very much embodied that ideal, but I cannot say the same about David Corenswet as he appears in that teaser (sorry buddy :P).
AFAIK the last proper Superman movie was in 2016. As someone who followed comics for quite a while, I am personally more jaded from super hero deconstruction than vanilla super heroes. Heroism...
AFAIK the last proper Superman movie was in 2016.
As someone who followed comics for quite a while, I am personally more jaded from super hero deconstruction than vanilla super heroes. Heroism deconstruction was already spent in the 2000s. It is predictable and boring. I am ready for an uncompromising, idealistic, optimistic Superman.
Cynicism doesn't offer much to those who are already disillusioned.
There is a major scarcity of protagonists who are as positive and inspirational as Superman or Captain Picard, while I've been complaining about overly cynical antihero-ish takes on everything...
There is a major scarcity of protagonists who are as positive and inspirational as Superman or Captain Picard, while I've been complaining about overly cynical antihero-ish takes on everything since The Dark Knight.
In digging this. It feels fresh. Serious but not gritty. Lived-in world without the gazillion other movies that I probably should see. What I didn't like was the greenscreeny looking frame after...
In digging this. It feels fresh. Serious but not gritty. Lived-in world without the gazillion other movies that I probably should see.
What I didn't like was the greenscreeny looking frame after the snow crash, something about the shadows. And Lex Luthor looked a bit wrong to me, Nicholas Hoult's bald head looked too big (even though it worked in Mad Max).
This promises me an optimist epic. Sounds good, I'll be waiting for the reviews but I'm almost positive this'll be at least a good time.
If James Gunn has proved anything it's that he can successfully balance emotional beats with fun moments, while allowing the former room to breathe, which is my one real complaint about Marvel's...
If James Gunn has proved anything it's that he can successfully balance emotional beats with fun moments, while allowing the former room to breathe, which is my one real complaint about Marvel's films in general (I'm big enough to admit my fanboyism makes me overlook any of their other faults).
If he can make viewers emotionally invested in characters like Polka-Dot Man and Rocket Raccoon, I have no doubt that this movie is going to have some fantastic character work.
Gotta say I’m a little disappointed in the visuals in this. It’s consistent with Gunn’s recent work but I was hoping he’d change his style to more classic Hollywood like the original films. Im...
Gotta say I’m a little disappointed in the visuals in this. It’s consistent with Gunn’s recent work but I was hoping he’d change his style to more classic Hollywood like the original films.
I'm happy to see a return to colorful, and hopefully positive and idealistic, Superman. So far, James Gunn hasn't let me down on his superhero projects. I think GotG3 was the last MCU movie to be...
I'm happy to see a return to colorful, and hopefully positive and idealistic, Superman. So far, James Gunn hasn't let me down on his superhero projects. I think GotG3 was the last MCU movie to be of any real substance, after a whole string of disappointments.
I'm hoping that despite some fun reveals in the trailer, they haven't shown everything and are saving some for the movie. There are some characters in there that I'm already happy to see. I'm tentatively optimistic, and that's after feeling a lot of superhero burnout myself.
Same. I love a gritty deconstruction story. But now? What I really need is more Mr Rogers. I'm glad for a Superman film that embodies goodness and hope. I need more of that in my life.
Same. I love a gritty deconstruction story. But now? What I really need is more Mr Rogers.
I'm glad for a Superman film that embodies goodness and hope. I need more of that in my life.
Reminds me of Hulk being revealed in the Thor: Ragnarok trailer. What a massive blunder. Would have been such an awesome moment if it hadn't been spoiled.
Reminds me of Hulk being revealed in the Thor: Ragnarok trailer. What a massive blunder. Would have been such an awesome moment if it hadn't been spoiled.
Their reveal would have been better received, or the whole movie would've been? I wasn't a fan of that one, but it didn't have anything to do with Wonder Woman and Doomsday.
Their reveal would have been better received, or the whole movie would've been? I wasn't a fan of that one, but it didn't have anything to do with Wonder Woman and Doomsday.
The whole movie, to be honest. It wouldn't have made the movie any better in a vacuum, but the fun of getting that surprise, and the implicit promise that further entries in the franchise could...
The whole movie, to be honest. It wouldn't have made the movie any better in a vacuum, but the fun of getting that surprise, and the implicit promise that further entries in the franchise could hold similar treats, may have been able to keep people excited about the DCEU. I know it was only the second movie in the series, but it really seemed like it cost them any goodwill had been built up by Man of Steel.
I've just counted and there were a shocking fourteen movies that followed, but I can't remember the general public being very excited for more than a couple of those.
You might be right. I could have looked at it more favorably if it dropped Wonder Woman on me (I have no opinions either way on Doomsday myself). But I think my issues with it would have still...
You might be right. I could have looked at it more favorably if it dropped Wonder Woman on me (I have no opinions either way on Doomsday myself). But I think my issues with it would have still overshadowed that. Mostly I just don't mesh with Zack Snyder's directing style at all, though I didn't really solidify that opinion until years later. Also, Lex Luthor was such a completely out-there take on the character, I spent most of the movie trying to figure out if he was actually supposed to be original Lex, or if that was maybe his father that he spent so much time talking about.
Lex was wildly out of character, but funnily enough he was the most enjoyable part of that movie for me. He was so upbeat and cheerful, his scenes were a lot brighter than Superman's. Which is...
Lex was wildly out of character, but funnily enough he was the most enjoyable part of that movie for me. He was so upbeat and cheerful, his scenes were a lot brighter than Superman's. Which is just really messed up because it should be the other way around. There's a problem when Lex Luthor is the most upbeat character in a film with the big three.
I don't wanna be the "actually" guy here, but that was Lex Luthor Jr., not the Lex Luthor most people are familiar with. Good for them for trying to take a different direction with their...
I don't wanna be the "actually" guy here, but that was Lex Luthor Jr., not the Lex Luthor most people are familiar with. Good for them for trying to take a different direction with their Superman's arch-nemesis, but the movie obviously wasn't clear enough about that key detail. It's a sentiment I've heard a lot of, "they messed up Lex's character," and that just speaks to the lack of communication on the movie's part.
I did a bit of poking based on what you said here. The intent is so muddied that I think it doesn't actually matter if he's technically Lex's son or not. There are a couple of vague "he's the Jr."...
I did a bit of poking based on what you said here. The intent is so muddied that I think it doesn't actually matter if he's technically Lex's son or not. There are a couple of vague "he's the Jr." handwaves, but all the discourse about it (from those involved with the movie's production, including a quote from Snyder) is just treating it as a fresh take on a classic villain.
He's a Jr., but I don't know if they meant for him to be the existing Lex Jr. from comics (who I only recently learned existed, so no clue how similar they are) or some new Lex. Feels likely they...
He's a Jr., but I don't know if they meant for him to be the existing Lex Jr. from comics (who I only recently learned existed, so no clue how similar they are) or some new Lex. Feels likely they just changed his dad's name to also be Lex in this version, so they could just skip to LexCorp being firmly established while still using a younger Lex for... some reason. Marketing, maybe?
I do agree they were trying to do something unique with him compared to the usual portrayals. The execution didn't work well though. Maybe if he was in a different movie that focused on him as the antagonist so we got introduced to him more organically, so we'd have time to get used to him. My Adventures with My Friend Superman has a different take on Lex too, but it gave us time to see him first before revealing his name, so it was more of a reveal of "Oh, that guy is this universe's Lex!"
But BvS is just so busy and full. They were trying to use that single movie to set up the entire DC cinematic universe by cramming in a bunch of characters and events, which meant very little time to focus on any of those details. Seriously, it has like three movies' worth of plotlines...
I'd agree with this. On the other hand, that is his only truly good movie (to me). So I have really low expectations for this because it looks like they're turning the flashiness up to 11 for this...
I think GotG3 was the last MCU movie to be of any real substance, after a whole string of disappointments.
I'd agree with this. On the other hand, that is his only truly good movie (to me). So I have really low expectations for this because it looks like they're turning the flashiness up to 11 for this Superman movie. I really disliked that about his Suicide Squad movie. It had tons of good aspects, and I put it down as a 7/10, but it left a lot to be desired too. So a character as iconic as Superman? I really doubt he'll pull it off.
On another note, I'm highly doubtful about the DCU in general. The way they're going about the canon thus far, like picking only certain aspects from certain movies and series.. that's just so fucking confusing. Start from scratch or don't bother. Also, I feel they should have waited at least 5 more years to reboot it but movie studios gonna movie studio.
When I was a kid growing up in the 80s and 90s, superhero media was like crack cocaine to me. The Christopher Reeve Supermans, the Burton and Schumaker Batmans, all the glorious cartoons, comics,...
When I was a kid growing up in the 80s and 90s, superhero media was like crack cocaine to me. The Christopher Reeve Supermans, the Burton and Schumaker Batmans, all the glorious cartoons, comics, and toys. Then the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy came out, the Ang Lee Hulk, then Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America--can't even express the pure joy I felt back then.
I never would have imagined in a million years that the studios would be able to grind me down to the point where a new Superman movie comes out and my immediate reaction is to not even bother watching the trailer because I am so many leagues away from the target audience.
I share some similarities when i was growing, having really loved comics and superhero stuff...I was also really excited and thrilled when lots of the Xmen, Avengers, Hulk, DCd mvoies, and all...
I share some similarities when i was growing, having really loved comics and superhero stuff...I was also really excited and thrilled when lots of the Xmen, Avengers, Hulk, DCd mvoies, and all manner of superhero movies came out - and vastly loved the more modern ones vs say Tim Burton era, but still loved all of them...and then, you know, i think it just got really saturated. I won;'t say i;ve been grinded/ground down, but i don;t seek these movies out as i used to. In fact, they quite often seem more about whizbang, how much CGI can we insert into every single frame...which iget it; its about super beings with super powers...But, i guess hollywood has squeezed so much that maybe its a bit sour for me...again, i still watch them, but only once they're on streaming services and if its convenient for my scheduled, etc. I thought maybe it was simply me getting older...but i don't think so...Because the biggest thing that attracted me to comics was equal parts awesomeness of superpowers of said superheors AS WELL AS compelling stories. Nowadays, i think what keeps me interested is not the powers, but THE stories...so i guess thats why i still watch, because i wish to enjoy the stories...but the CGI, meh, maybe i';ve had enough.
But, maybe like you, i may not be exactly tha target audience anymore? :-)
I've seen people online generally really hyped for this, but there's something I noticed people typically complain about, but aren't bringing up here: the other DC characters. People mention a lot...
I've seen people online generally really hyped for this, but there's something I noticed people typically complain about, but aren't bringing up here: the other DC characters. People mention a lot how Spider-Man 3 had too many villains in it. Besides Supes, Lois, Krypto, and Lex, there's a pretty decent amount of other characters in this trailer, especially for this being the first movie in this new timeline. That could either leave those characters lacking in screentime or have the movie end up feeling bloated.
I am definitely excited for Nicholas Hoult as
HitmanLex Luthor. I have been an enjoyer of his performances since About A Boy, and I think he is rarely better than when he is playing an outlandish character - Nux (Mad Max), Hank McCoy (X Men), Renfield (Renfield), R (Warm Bodies), or even Tyler (The Menu). This is a huge step up from Jesse Eisenberg as Luthor; while I like Eisenberg in lots of things, there's always a real sameness to a lot of his characters, which have the same feel as Michael Cera caricatures.I am underwhelmed by their superman actor, and the things that were teased didn't genuinely pull me in. I give this a tepid "okay"; I don't think it's going to recapture the fervor people experienced for Marvel between 2008 - 2019.
I thought the actor they used for Supes/Clark was a bit to big in terms of musculature. I suppose it's more in line with the modern ideal of a (super)man, but the moments as Clark didn't resonate with me. I could just be getting old though.
I'm not saying this to be argumentative, but merely as an observation about how different people get different things out of art.
The thing that feels underwhelming to me is that from what I've seen, it doesn't feel like Corenswet has the physical presence that superman should have. He's very lanky, and I felt like he lacked the bulk of Superman. He's about the right height, but doesn't have the physique of Cavill or Hoechlin... or Welling, or Reeve, or Routh. Part of it might be the suit, which just wasn't working for me. It's a throwback to the Reeve suit, but that was a product of its time and not one of the great suits.
I think Superman got really buff in the 1980s partly due to the John Byrne era. For a long time, he was kind of a strong regular dude. His strength, wherever it comes from, is not a function of his muscles. Supergirl is almost as strong as him, sometimes more, and she is not very muscular. Hell, even Superman's hair is invulnerable a lot of times. I am okay with a non-buff Superman for in-universe reasons but also because maintaining that kind of body is just not healthy and largely impossible without harmful drugs. The one thing that I always mention is that Superman must be not only handsome but the very epitome of handsome, as he is the modern equivalent to the Adonis. Cavill and Reeves very much embodied that ideal, but I cannot say the same about David Corenswet as he appears in that teaser (sorry buddy :P).
Which is interesting cause if you look at his other work he’s rather twink-ish.
So sick of superman movies. But I do like super dog in this one.
I think The Boys is a much better representation of The white savior complex.
AFAIK the last proper Superman movie was in 2016.
As someone who followed comics for quite a while, I am personally more jaded from super hero deconstruction than vanilla super heroes. Heroism deconstruction was already spent in the 2000s. It is predictable and boring. I am ready for an uncompromising, idealistic, optimistic Superman.
Cynicism doesn't offer much to those who are already disillusioned.
There is a major scarcity of protagonists who are as positive and inspirational as Superman or Captain Picard, while I've been complaining about overly cynical antihero-ish takes on everything since The Dark Knight.
What's the point of escapist media, otherwise?
In digging this. It feels fresh. Serious but not gritty. Lived-in world without the gazillion other movies that I probably should see.
What I didn't like was the greenscreeny looking frame after the snow crash, something about the shadows. And Lex Luthor looked a bit wrong to me, Nicholas Hoult's bald head looked too big (even though it worked in Mad Max).
This promises me an optimist epic. Sounds good, I'll be waiting for the reviews but I'm almost positive this'll be at least a good time.
If James Gunn has proved anything it's that he can successfully balance emotional beats with fun moments, while allowing the former room to breathe, which is my one real complaint about Marvel's films in general (I'm big enough to admit my fanboyism makes me overlook any of their other faults).
If he can make viewers emotionally invested in characters like Polka-Dot Man and Rocket Raccoon, I have no doubt that this movie is going to have some fantastic character work.
Gotta say I’m a little disappointed in the visuals in this. It’s consistent with Gunn’s recent work but I was hoping he’d change his style to more classic Hollywood like the original films.
Im still excited though, and the teaser for the score they released makes me hopeful.
I'm happy to see a return to colorful, and hopefully positive and idealistic, Superman. So far, James Gunn hasn't let me down on his superhero projects. I think GotG3 was the last MCU movie to be of any real substance, after a whole string of disappointments.
I'm hoping that despite some fun reveals in the trailer, they haven't shown everything and are saving some for the movie. There are some characters in there that I'm already happy to see. I'm tentatively optimistic, and that's after feeling a lot of superhero burnout myself.
Same. I love a gritty deconstruction story. But now? What I really need is more Mr Rogers.
I'm glad for a Superman film that embodies goodness and hope. I need more of that in my life.
I think if Batman vs Superman hadn't revealed Wonder Woman and Doomsday in the trailer, it would have been a lot better received.
Reminds me of Hulk being revealed in the Thor: Ragnarok trailer. What a massive blunder. Would have been such an awesome moment if it hadn't been spoiled.
I hadn't watched the trailer for that one and it was amazing! I tend to avoid watching trailers for movies I know that I'm watching anyway.
Their reveal would have been better received, or the whole movie would've been? I wasn't a fan of that one, but it didn't have anything to do with Wonder Woman and Doomsday.
The whole movie, to be honest. It wouldn't have made the movie any better in a vacuum, but the fun of getting that surprise, and the implicit promise that further entries in the franchise could hold similar treats, may have been able to keep people excited about the DCEU. I know it was only the second movie in the series, but it really seemed like it cost them any goodwill had been built up by Man of Steel.
I've just counted and there were a shocking fourteen movies that followed, but I can't remember the general public being very excited for more than a couple of those.
You might be right. I could have looked at it more favorably if it dropped Wonder Woman on me (I have no opinions either way on Doomsday myself). But I think my issues with it would have still overshadowed that. Mostly I just don't mesh with Zack Snyder's directing style at all, though I didn't really solidify that opinion until years later. Also, Lex Luthor was such a completely out-there take on the character, I spent most of the movie trying to figure out if he was actually supposed to be original Lex, or if that was maybe his father that he spent so much time talking about.
Lex was wildly out of character, but funnily enough he was the most enjoyable part of that movie for me. He was so upbeat and cheerful, his scenes were a lot brighter than Superman's. Which is just really messed up because it should be the other way around. There's a problem when Lex Luthor is the most upbeat character in a film with the big three.
I don't wanna be the "actually" guy here, but that was Lex Luthor Jr., not the Lex Luthor most people are familiar with. Good for them for trying to take a different direction with their Superman's arch-nemesis, but the movie obviously wasn't clear enough about that key detail. It's a sentiment I've heard a lot of, "they messed up Lex's character," and that just speaks to the lack of communication on the movie's part.
I did a bit of poking based on what you said here. The intent is so muddied that I think it doesn't actually matter if he's technically Lex's son or not. There are a couple of vague "he's the Jr." handwaves, but all the discourse about it (from those involved with the movie's production, including a quote from Snyder) is just treating it as a fresh take on a classic villain.
He's a Jr., but I don't know if they meant for him to be the existing Lex Jr. from comics (who I only recently learned existed, so no clue how similar they are) or some new Lex. Feels likely they just changed his dad's name to also be Lex in this version, so they could just skip to LexCorp being firmly established while still using a younger Lex for... some reason. Marketing, maybe?
I do agree they were trying to do something unique with him compared to the usual portrayals. The execution didn't work well though. Maybe if he was in a different movie that focused on him as the antagonist so we got introduced to him more organically, so we'd have time to get used to him. My Adventures with My Friend Superman has a different take on Lex too, but it gave us time to see him first before revealing his name, so it was more of a reveal of "Oh, that guy is this universe's Lex!"
But BvS is just so busy and full. They were trying to use that single movie to set up the entire DC cinematic universe by cramming in a bunch of characters and events, which meant very little time to focus on any of those details. Seriously, it has like three movies' worth of plotlines...
I'd agree with this. On the other hand, that is his only truly good movie (to me). So I have really low expectations for this because it looks like they're turning the flashiness up to 11 for this Superman movie. I really disliked that about his Suicide Squad movie. It had tons of good aspects, and I put it down as a 7/10, but it left a lot to be desired too. So a character as iconic as Superman? I really doubt he'll pull it off.
On another note, I'm highly doubtful about the DCU in general. The way they're going about the canon thus far, like picking only certain aspects from certain movies and series.. that's just so fucking confusing. Start from scratch or don't bother. Also, I feel they should have waited at least 5 more years to reboot it but movie studios gonna movie studio.
When I was a kid growing up in the 80s and 90s, superhero media was like crack cocaine to me. The Christopher Reeve Supermans, the Burton and Schumaker Batmans, all the glorious cartoons, comics, and toys. Then the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy came out, the Ang Lee Hulk, then Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America--can't even express the pure joy I felt back then.
I never would have imagined in a million years that the studios would be able to grind me down to the point where a new Superman movie comes out and my immediate reaction is to not even bother watching the trailer because I am so many leagues away from the target audience.
I share some similarities when i was growing, having really loved comics and superhero stuff...I was also really excited and thrilled when lots of the Xmen, Avengers, Hulk, DCd mvoies, and all manner of superhero movies came out - and vastly loved the more modern ones vs say Tim Burton era, but still loved all of them...and then, you know, i think it just got really saturated. I won;'t say i;ve been grinded/ground down, but i don;t seek these movies out as i used to. In fact, they quite often seem more about whizbang, how much CGI can we insert into every single frame...which iget it; its about super beings with super powers...But, i guess hollywood has squeezed so much that maybe its a bit sour for me...again, i still watch them, but only once they're on streaming services and if its convenient for my scheduled, etc. I thought maybe it was simply me getting older...but i don't think so...Because the biggest thing that attracted me to comics was equal parts awesomeness of superpowers of said superheors AS WELL AS compelling stories. Nowadays, i think what keeps me interested is not the powers, but THE stories...so i guess thats why i still watch, because i wish to enjoy the stories...but the CGI, meh, maybe i';ve had enough.
But, maybe like you, i may not be exactly tha target audience anymore? :-)
I've seen people online generally really hyped for this, but there's something I noticed people typically complain about, but aren't bringing up here: the other DC characters. People mention a lot how Spider-Man 3 had too many villains in it. Besides Supes, Lois, Krypto, and Lex, there's a pretty decent amount of other characters in this trailer, especially for this being the first movie in this new timeline. That could either leave those characters lacking in screentime or have the movie end up feeling bloated.