I watched his explanation video out of brutal curiosity, and I was awestruck by just how much of a bitter, hate-filled, little man he came across as. The whole 15 minutes is so much petty whining...
I watched his explanation video out of brutal curiosity, and I was awestruck by just how much of a bitter, hate-filled, little man he came across as. The whole 15 minutes is so much petty whining about being called a bigot, because of his bigoted behaviour. I regret ever buying the man's book.
The theatricality of this dude is insane. He talks and presents himself like a 1930s preacher. Being an accomplished psychologist and an undeniably very smart fellow which studied myths in depth,...
The theatricality of this dude is insane. He talks and presents himself like a 1930s preacher.
Being an accomplished psychologist and an undeniably very smart fellow which studied myths in depth, it's probably not lost to him that, when communicating with his core audience, antiquated manners and a stern patriarchal demeanor greatly increases his persuasivenes. He consciously portrays himself as a father figure, and it works.
Everything about him seems to be calculated to give the impression of someone who carries a fundamental truth, like Moses descending from Mount Sinai. He always seems to be kinda pissed at the ignorant masses, the infidels who deny his gospel. He's like a package of rhetorical cheap shots.
In this particular video: it's astounding the amount of logical twisting he employs to manipulate the audience into ignoring the very simple fact that he's a transphobe, trying to portray the issue as something way more complex than it really is. How hard it is to simply call someone by the name and pronouns they explicitly told you they prefer?
That was also my impression when my brother played one of his podcasts in the car. It seems like it's basically for people who like sermons, even if they don't go to church anymore. It's not like...
That was also my impression when my brother played one of his podcasts in the car. It seems like it's basically for people who like sermons, even if they don't go to church anymore.
It's not like sermons are particularly logical or evidence-based either. They are designed to sound good in the moment.
And that's a reason why I'd rather read transcripts of speeches. I don't want to be biased by the theatrics.
I was profoundly confused about Peterson and his apparent ability to lead a crowd and this article helped me understand. It starts with the sentence "Several years ago, Jordan Peterson told me he...
I was profoundly confused about Peterson and his apparent ability to lead a crowd and this article helped me understand. It starts with the sentence "Several years ago, Jordan Peterson told me he wanted to buy a church."
He always wanted to be a priest, a shaman, a preacher, a cult leader. He was obsessed with that stuff. He found some of that power through his rhetoric skills and a teaching job but now he's going for the real thing.
This also made me realize that rhetoric skills are among the most powerful and dangerous. Always be skeptical when listening to someone who is good at getting people to listen. We romanticize that skill as "storytelling" or "being a good teacher". But it's exactly what makes the most dangerous fascists so powerful. It's also what's ruining social media. A handful of creeps who prefer being powerful over being right.
I don't know when you consider him to have become famous, but he had some outlandish takes many years ago too. Before he went off the deep end anyway. You know, when he still appeared reasonable...
I don't know when you consider him to have become famous, but he had some outlandish takes many years ago too. Before he went off the deep end anyway. You know, when he still appeared reasonable and intelligent. Thing is: He was talking about topics outside his field of expertise, using implicitly his credentials in psychology/psychiatry. What stood out to me personally was his talk about Gödel's incompleteness theorem that was so far removed from any kind of reasonably interpretation of Gödel. It sounds interesting, thought-provoking and well researched if you don't know your abstract math/theoretical CS. If you do... well... he sounds like he missed the absolute basics. But I've heard others talk negatively about his forays into their respective field of expertise as well. In that sense, he's had quack status for me for a long time now.
I feel like just before the rise of Trump. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with stepping outside your lane, so long as you’re humble about it. Regardless, in hindsight, the signs were there...
I feel like just before the rise of Trump. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with stepping outside your lane, so long as you’re humble about it.
Regardless, in hindsight, the signs were there with this guy all along.
This video is amazing. I checked the jordanpeterson subreddit to see what his community thinks of it and the majority of comments are saying that he is hateful, transphobic and they are no longer...
This video is amazing. I checked the jordanpeterson subreddit to see what his community thinks of it and the majority of comments are saying that he is hateful, transphobic and they are no longer interested in him.
It's hard to consider that the person you put so much stock in, sometimes for years, was always like this. What's much easier is digging in your heels, blaming 'The Left' and benzo addiction for...
It's hard to consider that the person you put so much stock in, sometimes for years, was always like this. What's much easier is digging in your heels, blaming 'The Left' and benzo addiction for making him do the bad things, and then memeing.
Sometimes I wonder how he maintains his image as an intellectual among his fans when there are so many examples of him tweeting stuff that's just the complete opposite. I mean he sounds like a...
Sometimes I wonder how he maintains his image as an intellectual among his fans when there are so many examples of him tweeting stuff that's just the complete opposite.
“There are no rules on Twitter except don’t do what we don’t like today,” he said. “They are always applied post hoc by algorithms and idiots bent on maintaining their woke superiority.”
I mean he sounds like a Reddit commenter, or a 23 year old MGTOW YouTuber.
Jordan Peterson is not a dumb guy, but he understands that his audience can't differentiate between sound reasoning and intelectual imposture, and is instinctively more inclined to be influenced...
Jordan Peterson is not a dumb guy, but he understands that his audience can't differentiate between sound reasoning and intelectual imposture, and is instinctively more inclined to be influenced by the latter than the former.
Oh god, I've never had JP click for me the way he has after this comment. Donald Trump is the poor man's idea of what a rich man is and JP is the dumb man's idea of what a smart man is.
Oh god, I've never had JP click for me the way he has after this comment. Donald Trump is the poor man's idea of what a rich man is and JP is the dumb man's idea of what a smart man is.
The only reason Jordan Peterson became a mainstream public figure was due to his public opposition to Bill C-16 in Canada, which added gender identity to a list of protected classes. He claimed...
The only reason Jordan Peterson became a mainstream public figure was due to his public opposition to Bill C-16 in Canada, which added gender identity to a list of protected classes. He claimed that Bill C-16 would "trample free speech" and "criminalize freedom of expression." He made rounds thereafter in the US conservative media circuit, sounding the alarm on Bill C-16, as it would make even "accidentally misgendering" someone a crime.
Now you may be thinking, "C-16 must be a huge bill, filled with text that can be interpreted in a bunch of ways" and "maybe JP is either right, mistaken, or overly cautious." Well we actually have the entirety of the bill available to us right now! See the link [1]. It takes all of 20 seconds to see what a farce this is. It adds FOUR WORDS to the human rights act and criminal code to add "gender identity or expression" as a protected class along with a preexisting list of protected classes (which includes such things as "family status" and "religion"). It was passed despite his opposition.
Also, in case we needed further evidence that the basis of his career is on a lie, he continuously demonstrates the lie when Canadian authorities continue to not prosecute him for being a vicious transphobe.
Jorp's rise to notoriety was really odd to witness first hand. One of the first things that brought him a following was that appearance he made on TVO's The Agenda a long time ago about Bill C-16....
Jorp's rise to notoriety was really odd to witness first hand. One of the first things that brought him a following was that appearance he made on TVO's The Agenda a long time ago about Bill C-16. I remember they had him on along with a lawyer that was familiar with the topic, and the lawyer basically completely repudiated everything he said about C-16. Even from the start it was clear that he was talking out his ass about it.
Nothing since then has made him seem any more compelling or noteworthy. He's a weird sad right-wing bootstraps-ish grifter.
That may be true. Transphobia, misogyny, and otherwise appealing to reactionary intuitions has been a huge part of his brand since, though. And I'd argue that building this brand is the primary...
That may be true.
Transphobia, misogyny, and otherwise appealing to reactionary intuitions has been a huge part of his brand since, though. And I'd argue that building this brand is the primary reason that anyone knows his name today, rather than him fading out after his 15 minutes of fame.
In case someone hasn't read the article by now, Peterson was suspended for (grossly) misgendering Elliot Page. This was his response to the affair: Unsurprising his response is to paint himself as...
In case someone hasn't read the article by now, Peterson was suspended for (grossly) misgendering Elliot Page. This was his response to the affair:
“I penned an irritated tweet in response to one of the latest happenings on the increasingly heated culture war front,” Peterson told National Post.
Unsurprising his response is to paint himself as a victim (note that he need only delete the offending tweet for his account to be reinstated, after which he could continue to post slightly more restrained transphobic content).
Of course, the irony here is that Peterson blames his punishment on an overblown "culture war", when in fact Peterson and the like are the reason this "culture war" issue exists in the first place. 🙄
He will be back once he gets enough people sign up for his new shtick on Daily Wire. He and his ilk cannot survive without the space social media platforms allow them to occupy.
He will be back once he gets enough people sign up for his new shtick on Daily Wire. He and his ilk cannot survive without the space social media platforms allow them to occupy.
I don't think Musk will ultimately gain control of the platform, but if a massive change to moderation strategy occurred, it would not be in the financial interests of the company. Let's say,...
I don't think Musk will ultimately gain control of the platform, but if a massive change to moderation strategy occurred, it would not be in the financial interests of the company.
Let's say, tomorrow, we allow any content on Twitter that doesn't technically break the law. What happens? I think the site would go through a few stages:
There would be unchecked, targeted harassment of LGBTQ people on the platform; no end to the misery experienced on the platform by them
LGBTQ folks would overwhelmingly stop feeling safe using Twitter and choose safer alternatives
Repeat steps 1 and 2 for most non-male, non-white people
Rampant racism, antisemitism and conspiracy theories would dominate the platform
Conservatives who are alarmed by the content on the platform would leave for fear of being associated with said content
Twitter moderates the way it does precisely because it is the strategy that generates the most revenue for the business (and occasionally to preempt regulation.) Over the past 20 years, there have been endless efforts to make so-called "free speech" platforms made by people often with noble intentions who may have been harmed by aggressive, opaque, or unfair moderation in the past. These all go through those 5 steps; from the top of my head ruqqus, Voat, 8chan, 4chan, Kiwi Farms, Gab, etc.
If anyone needs evidence of this, consider any of the Free Speech reddit clones. They've all been started with the purpose of "just a good bit less moderation" or somesuch. Some even started out...
If anyone needs evidence of this, consider any of the Free Speech reddit clones. They've all been started with the purpose of "just a good bit less moderation" or somesuch. Some even started out as interesting to a large cross-section of the political spectrum. Now most of them are basically just for nazis and conspiracy theorists. Paradox of tolerance and such.
The last news headline I saw with his name was two months ago when he said he was leaving Twitter after he insulted a model. Did he actually leave and come back, or was that just more bluster?
The last news headline I saw with his name was two months ago when he said he was leaving Twitter after he insulted a model. Did he actually leave and come back, or was that just more bluster?
He got ratioed into oblivion, said he was going to quit, got ratioed some more, then tweeted about 30 times over the next 18 hours and never looked back. It was actually hilarious. Now here he is...
He got ratioed into oblivion, said he was going to quit, got ratioed some more, then tweeted about 30 times over the next 18 hours and never looked back. It was actually hilarious.
Now here he is a month later, blabbing on about how "pride is a sin" without any shred of self-awareness. At this point, he is an unintentional comedy gold mine. I know he's a diet nazi that has caused a lot of harm but sometimes you gotta give credit where it's due.
In other news, peterson has an interesting new outlet in youtube channel “After Skool.” The channel caught my attention via its nifty aesthetic accompaniment to a talk by terrence mckenna. Then,...
In other news, peterson has an interesting new outlet in youtube channel “After Skool.” The channel caught my attention via its nifty aesthetic accompaniment to a talk by terrence mckenna. Then, as I explored the channel it started to get weird, then the next in the queue was a talk by peterson and musk on population collapse.
I watched his explanation video out of brutal curiosity, and I was awestruck by just how much of a bitter, hate-filled, little man he came across as. The whole 15 minutes is so much petty whining about being called a bigot, because of his bigoted behaviour. I regret ever buying the man's book.
The theatricality of this dude is insane. He talks and presents himself like a 1930s preacher.
Being an accomplished psychologist and an undeniably very smart fellow which studied myths in depth, it's probably not lost to him that, when communicating with his core audience, antiquated manners and a stern patriarchal demeanor greatly increases his persuasivenes. He consciously portrays himself as a father figure, and it works.
Everything about him seems to be calculated to give the impression of someone who carries a fundamental truth, like Moses descending from Mount Sinai. He always seems to be kinda pissed at the ignorant masses, the infidels who deny his gospel. He's like a package of rhetorical cheap shots.
In this particular video: it's astounding the amount of logical twisting he employs to manipulate the audience into ignoring the very simple fact that he's a transphobe, trying to portray the issue as something way more complex than it really is. How hard it is to simply call someone by the name and pronouns they explicitly told you they prefer?
That was also my impression when my brother played one of his podcasts in the car. It seems like it's basically for people who like sermons, even if they don't go to church anymore.
It's not like sermons are particularly logical or evidence-based either. They are designed to sound good in the moment.
And that's a reason why I'd rather read transcripts of speeches. I don't want to be biased by the theatrics.
I was profoundly confused about Peterson and his apparent ability to lead a crowd and this article helped me understand. It starts with the sentence "Several years ago, Jordan Peterson told me he wanted to buy a church."
He always wanted to be a priest, a shaman, a preacher, a cult leader. He was obsessed with that stuff. He found some of that power through his rhetoric skills and a teaching job but now he's going for the real thing.
This also made me realize that rhetoric skills are among the most powerful and dangerous. Always be skeptical when listening to someone who is good at getting people to listen. We romanticize that skill as "storytelling" or "being a good teacher". But it's exactly what makes the most dangerous fascists so powerful. It's also what's ruining social media. A handful of creeps who prefer being powerful over being right.
Right before he got famous, he had some reasonable critiques. No shame in exploring a new voice. Shame would be if you bought in.
I don't know when you consider him to have become famous, but he had some outlandish takes many years ago too. Before he went off the deep end anyway. You know, when he still appeared reasonable and intelligent. Thing is: He was talking about topics outside his field of expertise, using implicitly his credentials in psychology/psychiatry. What stood out to me personally was his talk about Gödel's incompleteness theorem that was so far removed from any kind of reasonably interpretation of Gödel. It sounds interesting, thought-provoking and well researched if you don't know your abstract math/theoretical CS. If you do... well... he sounds like he missed the absolute basics. But I've heard others talk negatively about his forays into their respective field of expertise as well. In that sense, he's had quack status for me for a long time now.
I feel like just before the rise of Trump. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with stepping outside your lane, so long as you’re humble about it.
Regardless, in hindsight, the signs were there with this guy all along.
This video is amazing. I checked the jordanpeterson subreddit to see what his community thinks of it and the majority of comments are saying that he is hateful, transphobic and they are no longer interested in him.
Hmm, I just checked and it's all anti-left memes.
It's hard to consider that the person you put so much stock in, sometimes for years, was always like this. What's much easier is digging in your heels, blaming 'The Left' and benzo addiction for making him do the bad things, and then memeing.
Sometimes I wonder how he maintains his image as an intellectual among his fans when there are so many examples of him tweeting stuff that's just the complete opposite.
I mean he sounds like a Reddit commenter, or a 23 year old MGTOW YouTuber.
Jordan Peterson is not a dumb guy, but he understands that his audience can't differentiate between sound reasoning and intelectual imposture, and is instinctively more inclined to be influenced by the latter than the former.
Because JP is a dumb person's idea of what a smart person is.
Oh god, I've never had JP click for me the way he has after this comment. Donald Trump is the poor man's idea of what a rich man is and JP is the dumb man's idea of what a smart man is.
The only reason Jordan Peterson became a mainstream public figure was due to his public opposition to Bill C-16 in Canada, which added gender identity to a list of protected classes. He claimed that Bill C-16 would "trample free speech" and "criminalize freedom of expression." He made rounds thereafter in the US conservative media circuit, sounding the alarm on Bill C-16, as it would make even "accidentally misgendering" someone a crime.
Now you may be thinking, "C-16 must be a huge bill, filled with text that can be interpreted in a bunch of ways" and "maybe JP is either right, mistaken, or overly cautious." Well we actually have the entirety of the bill available to us right now! See the link [1]. It takes all of 20 seconds to see what a farce this is. It adds FOUR WORDS to the human rights act and criminal code to add "gender identity or expression" as a protected class along with a preexisting list of protected classes (which includes such things as "family status" and "religion"). It was passed despite his opposition.
Also, in case we needed further evidence that the basis of his career is on a lie, he continuously demonstrates the lie when Canadian authorities continue to not prosecute him for being a vicious transphobe.
[1] https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/AnnualStatutes/2017_13/FullText.html
Edit: grammar
Jorp's rise to notoriety was really odd to witness first hand. One of the first things that brought him a following was that appearance he made on TVO's The Agenda a long time ago about Bill C-16. I remember they had him on along with a lawyer that was familiar with the topic, and the lawyer basically completely repudiated everything he said about C-16. Even from the start it was clear that he was talking out his ass about it.
Nothing since then has made him seem any more compelling or noteworthy. He's a weird sad right-wing bootstraps-ish grifter.
That may be true.
Transphobia, misogyny, and otherwise appealing to reactionary intuitions has been a huge part of his brand since, though. And I'd argue that building this brand is the primary reason that anyone knows his name today, rather than him fading out after his 15 minutes of fame.
More specifically, he sounds like your regular Red Pill or Kotaku in Action poster...
In case someone hasn't read the article by now, Peterson was suspended for (grossly) misgendering Elliot Page. This was his response to the affair:
Unsurprising his response is to paint himself as a victim (note that he need only delete the offending tweet for his account to be reinstated, after which he could continue to post slightly more restrained transphobic content).
Of course, the irony here is that Peterson blames his punishment on an overblown "culture war", when in fact Peterson and the like are the reason this "culture war" issue exists in the first place. 🙄
Good. Nobody expects him to apologize, so he might as well just piss off for good and stop making it rattier.
He will be back once he gets enough people sign up for his new shtick on Daily Wire. He and his ilk cannot survive without the space social media platforms allow them to occupy.
Either that or he’ll just move to Mastodon, Gab, Truth Social, or one of the other niche platforms.
Speaking of… look at the ad I just saw on reddit! Allowing that shit to be promoted on the site is fucking disgusting.
Funny thing. I have no idea who this guy is, and after all of 8 seconds reading this discussion, I already know I'm fine with that.
This will probably become the core type of content on Twitter once Musk acquires the platform.
I don't think Musk will ultimately gain control of the platform, but if a massive change to moderation strategy occurred, it would not be in the financial interests of the company.
Let's say, tomorrow, we allow any content on Twitter that doesn't technically break the law. What happens? I think the site would go through a few stages:
Twitter moderates the way it does precisely because it is the strategy that generates the most revenue for the business (and occasionally to preempt regulation.) Over the past 20 years, there have been endless efforts to make so-called "free speech" platforms made by people often with noble intentions who may have been harmed by aggressive, opaque, or unfair moderation in the past. These all go through those 5 steps; from the top of my head ruqqus, Voat, 8chan, 4chan, Kiwi Farms, Gab, etc.
If anyone needs evidence of this, consider any of the Free Speech reddit clones. They've all been started with the purpose of "just a good bit less moderation" or somesuch. Some even started out as interesting to a large cross-section of the political spectrum. Now most of them are basically just for nazis and conspiracy theorists. Paradox of tolerance and such.
The last news headline I saw with his name was two months ago when he said he was leaving Twitter after he insulted a model. Did he actually leave and come back, or was that just more bluster?
He got ratioed into oblivion, said he was going to quit, got ratioed some more, then tweeted about 30 times over the next 18 hours and never looked back. It was actually hilarious.
Now here he is a month later, blabbing on about how "pride is a sin" without any shred of self-awareness. At this point, he is an unintentional comedy gold mine. I know he's a diet nazi that has caused a lot of harm but sometimes you gotta give credit where it's due.
In other news, peterson has an interesting new outlet in youtube channel “After Skool.” The channel caught my attention via its nifty aesthetic accompaniment to a talk by terrence mckenna. Then, as I explored the channel it started to get weird, then the next in the queue was a talk by peterson and musk on population collapse.
A great critique on the channel is here:
https://youtu.be/GXZLZjSQ9TA