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r/StarTrek and r/DaystromInstitute have set up their own Lemmy instance at StarTrek.website
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- Star Trek: Website - The new home of r/StarTrek, r/DaystromInstitute and *sigh* ...r/Risa
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Oh boy, those are two of the coolest subs on Reddit. Looks like I'm gonna have to figure this whole federation thing out after all.
Also, it makes sense for Star Trek subs to be part of a Federation :P
I'm an old-school Star Trek fan, but not really a fan of /r/StarTrek. They banned folks for criticizing the NuTrek shows and got the breakaway /r/Star_Trek subreddit shut down for bogus reasons. Not cool in my book. I'm concerned the Lemmy instances will be similarly draconian.
Edit: This thread discusses some of the drama. Reasonable interpretations may vary, but here's my impression of what happened: /r/Star_Trek was created by people who were banned from /r/StarTrek. The new subreddit was then targeted by Reddit admins for complaining about the old subreddit, which I guess qualifies as brigading? You can see an example of someone getting banned from /r/StarTrek for innocuous behavior here.
Yes.
/r/startrek is god damn holy terror for ANYONE who even thinks about saying anything close to detrimental about STD or Picard. Even saying positive things about The Orville got you banned. Not only that, it got you banned from unrelated subs.
Absolutely one of the worst examples of corporate run subreddits.
Honestly, that's the opposite of my experience. I left r/StarTrek because of the excessive negativity about anything Trek after 2009.
Did you leave before or after Discovery came out? There was a hard turn when that happened.
Don't you mean STP?
Nope, I know exactly they are talking about. Criticism of Discovery was harshly viewed by the mod team when it first debuted.
What an oddly inconsistent naming scheme. Star Trek: Discovery = STD. Star Trek: Picard = Picard?
Star Trek = TOS (The Original Series)
Star Trek: The Next Generation = TNG
Star Trek: Deep Space 9 = DS9
Star Trek: Voyager = VOY
Star Trek: Enterprise = ENT
So Discovery is DIS and Picard is PIC.
Correct. That makes sense. I was commenting on the top comment's choice of names.
Oh, but I didn't make that comment?
No, you replied to my comment pointing that out to the OP.
But Discovery is.. not good. Very not good.
It's much worse than that.
Discovery and the first two seasons of Picard are Murder-Trek abominations. It's Anti-Trek.
Picard S3 was alright, though. Not phenomenal but back on track for Trek. Still a bit too much murder but it was better.
Unironically, the worst thing about S3 of Picard is a couple of scenes where Picard and Riker are pointing fingers at each other instead of working together to solve the current problem. Especially the bit where Riker digs into Picard for having doomed them all (before, of course, they figure a way out two minutes later).
It's got other problems, but the fact that none of them are more anti-Trek than a couple of scenes of needlessly dramatic interpersonal conflict is really promising compared to Discovery and the first two seasons of Picard. I'm pretty optimistic for Legacy if it gets made with the same team. Season 3 of Picard really reminds me of Season 4 of Enterprise, the show finally finding its feet because it got a new showrunner who gets it.
What do you think of Strange New Worlds?
I've mostly liked what I've seen, but I haven't seen as much as I'd like. I've been planning to get around to finishing it but it just hasn't happened yet. I liked the backdoor pilot bits of S2 of Discovery, too.
<Edit>My main criticism of the parts I have seen is it does the Gorn dirty. Starfleet really shouldn't have run into them yet, and even if they had, they shouldn't be such terrible monsters. That was the entire point of Arena and Kirk's answer after winning the fight. There's ways to set up a recurring antagonist without so thoroughly, for lack of a better term, dehumanizing them.</edit>
Also, Lower Decks is great and even Prodigy is pretty cool for what it is.
Agreed. Lower Decks and SNW are decent enough. I just don't even know if they could make a classic Trek show anymore. I can already see the 'boring' tweets about it now.
The new Trek shows basically wish they were the Andors of their franchise but they don't have the chops. Trying to take things in a more serious and gritty tone but utterly failing to make anything compelling.
Anti-trek is right. I was so appalled at that tardigrade bullshit i gave up on s1. I tried s2, and then s3, still hated it.
I had to get outrageously stoned to get thru Picard s2. Honestly, I'll probably try the same tactic for s3.
I really enjoy SNW, and lower decks is fun!
I recommend getting stoned for S3. Also, once that's over, giving up on new trek forever.
I got the small amount of closure I was looking for, time to file Trek in the Dead Franchises drawer alongside all the rest. They don't want my money, so I won't bother wasting time on them. I have so much cash for new franchises left over now though! Going to have to hunt up a few.
I disagree. 'Strange New Worlds' and 'Prodigy' are well worth watching for their own sakes, and 'Lower Decks' has a lot of nostalgia / fan-service value for fans of TNG-era Star Trek. SNW, in particular, upholds the Trek tradition in a way that none of the other modern series do.
I gave those two episodes each and they felt bland and boring to me - but that's probably because of the bad taste left behind from the other shows. STD (a more apt acronym there has never been) truly killed any interest I had left in the Trek brand, and replaced all the warm/fuzzy with gritting teeth. I just don't give a damn about that fairy tale paradise anymore, because modern trek destroyed, mocked, and trivialized it. There is no coming back from that. All my Trek stuff is in boxes now, not on display anymore. I don't even want to look at it. Only the TOS box set is still on my DVD rack.
I'm honestly shocked it even happened because once upon a time I was a Trek fanatic. I can recite a non-trivial number of TOS/TNG episodes from memory. I only barely cared about Picard S3 despite the fact that I should have been geeking out at the cast reunion. I doubt I'll ever even rewatch it. There's other, far better scifi for me to spend my time with, and music, and books. Trek just hasn't got the juice anymore. I'm not singling out Trek for this, though - Dr. Who, Marvel, and Star Wars did the same thing. Franchise suicide, it's been all the rage for the last decade.
Maybe I've just outgrown scifi. /shrug
I agree that 'Discovery' was an abomination that should never have been made - particularly that horrible first season, with anti-Trek values, and a hodge-podge of storylines caused by rotating multiple show-runners.
'Discovery' barely became tolerable by its fourth season. It's a show that's so bad that they have to reinvent it every season, in vain attempts to try to get it right - and they still haven't. I contend that, if they've tried that often to reboot it, but still can't get it right, then there must be a big flaw at the core of the series which they're not fixing... and its initials are "MB". That Mary-Sue character who seems to be the centre of the universe has ruined every attempt to fix 'Discovery'
However... the other modern Trek series are better (they couldn't possibly be worse!).
Well, maybe not the first two seasons of 'Picard'. That used the same grimdark approach of 'Discovery', and failed in the same way. The third season was a bit of fun, with the cast reunion, but the aesthetics of the show were just wrong.
However, 'Strange New Worlds' is where the producers finally listened to fans' feedback: Star Trek should be a show about exploration, so give us a crew and a ship that's out exploring. Pike and his Enterprise crew are just what the doctor ordered. It's just a shame that so many other abominations had to be created before that one. I can almost forgive the producers for the sin of 'Discovery', solely because it gave us 'Strange New Worlds' (which I am looking forward to watching again [we're always a week behind in this household, so I haven't seen last week's episode yet]).
'Prodigy' is also surprisingly good if you give it a chance. Sure, it's made for kids, but it stands up well for adults, too.
Don't have to tell me twice to get stoned lol, will do.
I loved The Expanse, the end of the show petered out but the books are excellent (I've read two so far). If you stumble on anything else cool, I'd love a recommendation!
I was never aware of any of that, and I critized New Trek at length in numerous occasions, and saw others do the same.
What you mention is concerning, but large subs are a mixed bag, I'm not sure modding is exactly a democracy and I imagine mods go rogue all the time 🤷🏿‍♂️
Does Lemmy work different in that regard?
I've seen plenty of people criticize NuTrek at length on /r/startrek and never face any kind of disciplinary action.
I think it is no secret that some portions of the fan base pair their criticisms of NuTrek, Discovery in particular, with misogynistic and racist rhetoric. I don't blame mods for nuking threads when they start veering in that direction.
There's also the problem of spam. Any time new content drops, it was not uncommon for the sub to be flooded with low effort posts that primarily repeat the same loud angry complaints over and over without contributing anything new to the discussion. There is a time and place for mindless shitposting, and the mods decided that their community was not it. I think that is 100% fair.
I have my own opinions about NuTrek, some positive, others, not so much. But I find myself avoiding places like /r/Star_Trek because they seem so overwhelmingly focused on whinging about what they do not like rather than discussing and celebrating the wealth of stuff they do. I find that depressing and draining, regardless of whether or not I agree with the sentiments being expressed.
I think this pattern has become common with other communities as well, and it's why they often start to feel increasingly detached from "the real world". Average people, who mostly just want to look at memes about their favorite property while sitting on the toilet, are turned off by all the negativity. This disparity in how people reacted to Star Wars: The Last Jedi among my meatspace peers and among the various online Star Wars communities I used to follow really exemplifies this. The Last of Us 2 is another notable example.
I get that. There's a place for negative criticism, but once it becomes repetitive, the continuous dismissiveness will make those that disagree with the majority feel unwelcome and overwhelmed.
I watched 2, maybe 3 seasons. I don't recall right now.
I'm pretty sure you're overthinking this. There's nothing markedly wrong about black representation in Discovery.
I apologize for the tautology, but the reason why Disco is bad is just that it's, well, not that good 🤷🏿‍♂️
That's what I'm saying. Black and LGBT representation is a total red herring that the show's defenders routinely use to brush off criticism of the actual problems with the show.
I criticized Discovery many times on Reddit. I never saw anyone defending it by implying that "it's good because of representation" and no one ever called me a bigot. At least in my experience, most people seem very capable of distinguishing between quality and representation. But I try to avoid getting tangled into highly disputed threads or engaging with people that are clearly just looking for a fight.
Honestly? Most people seemed to agree with me. A lot of people dislike Star Trek Discovery.
Most people, yes. Most people allowed to freely comment in the big subs, not so much. And you could see the contrast pretty clearly between, for example, /r/television threads and the ones on /r/startrek.
Now that the show has been cancelled and some of the later shows have actually been well received, they've relaxed the restrictions a bit, and you can get a better feel for what the average viewer actually thinks about the shows by browsing /r/startrek. But in the immediate aftermath of the first season of Discovery? Forget it. It was astroturfed to hell and if the mods weren't in on the astroturfing they got screwed out of a well earned paycheck.
Same happens with r/starwars and r/saltierthancrait
But Disney astroturfing is something else.
/r/saltierthancrait can be a toxic cesspit. I struggle to imagine devoting that much time and energy towards something I hate so viscerally.
To each his own.
It's true that they stifled criticism of new Trek but /r/Star_Trek had tons of bad actors crying all the time about how the new shows are too progressive...ironic for fans of Star Trek. Granted, most of the new stuff does truly suck though, but for actual reasons.
Personally, I didn't actually encounter that sort of behavior on /r/Star_Trek, but I agree that it's unacceptable.
Yup, this is what finally dragged me to look at Lemmy. I need DaystromInstitute for my Star Trek content, like genuinely. I could leave /r/startrek alone -- it's a little forcibly positive for my taste, but DaystromInstitute is great for long form discussion of new epsidoes.
Oof that UI is... rough.
I'm curious to see if they will try to redirect the users from the subreddits and, if so, how successful that will be. Assuming the reddit admins even let that happen.
I'm curious too, but /r/StarTrek is at 600k subscribers which means even if 1% sign up it becomes one of the largest instances.
And yes, can't wait for Lemmy to have some styling control.
Isn't that the standard Lemmy UI? It's the only one I can recall seeing.
Yeah, the Lemmy UI is pretty bad overall, it gets the job done, but it's poorly done.
I prefer interacting with Lemmy instances through kbin.social which has a much better UI/UX.
How so? To me the lemmy ui looks almost like reddit. More so than tildes.
at least they aren’t moving to discord like some subreddits seem to want to do!
Omg, that's a terrible idea.
r/Formula1 moved (either temporarily or permanently) to Discord. I was already in their Discord, but...you can't move a forum to live chat! Maybe for live events like free practices, qualifying sessions, and races it works. There are already live threads for those on the subreddit. So that part makes sense.
But for general forum posting, It just doesn't work! I know Discord has some forum-like features, but they're meh at best. Perfectly good platforms exist for forums. Lemmy, Kbin, here even, whatever. Or like even literal old school forum software like even phpBB or something. Strange decisions...
Wow. Discord is a terrible idea. They are starting to put features behind a paywall. It's not going to get any better.
Decentralized software like the fediverse is the future. It's the only way we will ever be free and able to own our data.
Well that's 2 of my favourite subs recreated elsewhere. Here's to hoping more start moving over.
Even with .website being a newish TLD (2014) I'm shocked that domain was available.
Best of luck to this instance though. I'll definitely be hanging around, especially once SNW S2 begins airing.
u/wil (as in Wheaton), one of the initial members of Reddit, was not happy with u/spez's handling of the API issue and the AMA added flames to a smoldering fire. I wonder what role, if any, he played in the migration?
Curious to see if other Reddit communities shift towards the Fediverse
I really want to like the Fediverse, but I'm really struggling with Lemmy. Not all instances seem to connect with each other (e.g. !osr@lemm.ee isn't visible on lemmy.ml, but is on lemmy.world), and my home page feed makes no sense. It has posts from minutes ago and months ago. There are also tons of duplicates.
I'm really enjoying Tildes, so there's a silver lining to all of this.
Fingers crossed. I really hope that Lemmy takes off. It's hard to resist opening Reddit.
It's a tiny one, but I set up a community for lego storage on lemmy.world. once rif is gone, I won't be modding anymore.
If the (good) Star Wars subreddits do this, I'd be stoked.
Fingers crossed someone with the know how can get /r/MawInstallation over here.
Would be hilarious if they got set up on startrek.website's instance.
This seems like such a good use case for federation-- a collection of tightly-focused communities built around a single interest. The existing big Lemmy instances seem like they're trying to 1:1 Reddit.
I would find it incredibly exciting to see this be the genesis event that seeds a bunch of new topic-oriented instances that roughly correlate to some of the most high-level subreddits.
Why federate at all in that case? Why not just fork Tildes or similar and spin up a Star Wars instance? Is dm’ing across the hobbysphere a killer feature?
In my opinion federation tries to solve the scaling problem without also solving usability — such that none of these places will ever get close to the amount of users that just sticking them all on the same server wouldn’t have been the best decision.
I feel like not having to create a separate account every time reduces the friction.
Yea fair enough. I've been using a password manager for so long I forget about the frictional element associated with logins.
It's a lot easier to join a bunch of niche forums if you don't have to make a separate account for each one. I think Mastodon is much better suited for Federation overall, but it could still have value for Lemmy as opposed to a bunch of Tildes forks.
I agree. I know it's all federated but I'd rather have 1 Star Trek Lemmy instance with a bunch of Star Trek related communities than 12 Lemmy instances each with 1 or 2 Star Trek instances. That just seems like such a pain to me.
At first I was like, “Awesome! I love Star Trek!” And then I was like, “I’m getting old - I don’t want to learn a new website.”
I think one of my favorite things over here is that I know how forums work from the late 90s and early 00s. It’s comforting. All for a ~tv.startrek though.
I hope other already existing independent forums see a bump in activity from all of this too. https://trekbbs.com has been around for decades.
Just in time for the SNW season two premiere. Cool! I often enjoyed the episode "post-mortems," especially for the comments from viewers who have eyes keener than mine and spotted details or easter eggs I'd missed. I hope that tradition makes the transition to the new platform as well.
It will, USSBurittoTruck said they will be doing those threads on the Lemmy instance
How is Lemmy doing? I checked it out a while ago but it didn't have much activity. Has that changed in the last few days? I suppose more importantly, will it last...
I don't know about will it last, but total users has increased by about 50% in the last two weeks (100k to ~150k). More importantly monthly active users has increased over an order of magnitude from ~1k to ~20k, with half of that being in the last couple of days. All this despite an absolutely abysmal ability to scale individual instances. It's not going to be (and isn't ready to be on a technical level) an overnight reddit replacement, but I think there is a very good chance that it has gained enough traction to be self-sustaining.
No /r/risa or /r/ShittyDaystrom? Maybe I’m going to have to stay on Reddit after all…
Check again, Risa is there!
I was looking forward to discussion threads for SNW season 2. Its nice to have a dedicated place to go to for that, but I guess we could make our own weeklies here as well.
Can't Spez take over those subs and add new mods? Even if I find Lemmy and Kbin uncomplete solutions it's a good start people are more aware of decentralized options.
Will they ban anyone who thinks Star Trek Discovery and Picard are garbage?
That's a lot of people.
Oh my yes! Subbing now!