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Is there going to be some equivalent to reddit karma?
Just a sum total of all of the votes you have recieved. I'm not sure if this would interfere with the quality discussion focussed model of ~, but curious to hear peoples opinions on it.
Hate it. Trust system is a cool concept and I personally think it would be enough. I really don't like the idea of publicly displaying a big total vote count on someone's profile because it encourages trying to get the highest vote count possible because a decent chunk of people love to race for imaginary internet points. It should be a thing admins can see at most, imo.
Yeah, trust system is cool but displaying the score is like.. showing the score in mario. What's that doing really?
What do you mean by trust system?
Deimos is planning on implementing a "trust" system whereby users with good reputation of useful, on-topic comments that promote discussion have more capabilities within their sub-tilde of the site (trust will be community based, so you could have a lot of trust in ~games based on your comments and thereby automatically "inherit" some type of mod powers only for ~games).
Source: https://docs.tildes.net/mechanics-future#trustreputation-system-for-moderation
Thanks, that's a really good explanation!
Back in the day, slashdot had a numeric karma system like reddit, then they changed it. Instead of a karma number, your profile simply said Terrible, Bad, Neutral, Positive, Good, or Excellent. I don't know if that's the right system for tildes, but perhaps something like this instead of a number would work. Cap it off at Excellent and you avoid the issue of karma farming.
Maybe on a per group basis? E.g.: I participate in ~tech a lot and I'm helpful, so my rating in that group is "excellent". Meanwhile, I've never visited ~comp, so my rating is neutral, and I'm a troll in ~nickelback so I'm rated as "terrible".
This combined with an overall site rating might be useful.
One could argue that there doesn't even need to be a persistent karma/number system attached to each user. In my opinion there will always be karma whores if there's any kind of numerical representation of votes on a user. Better to just have each post accrue it's own votes but not show a user total on their profile, kind of stops the point in karma farming and takes away the ability for people to willy wave their score around.
I think with group specific karma or behaviour scores it could lead to some folk enjoying having a terrible rating on some groups and see it as a badge of honour. Though this might not be an issue until the site is much bigger.
Butbutbutbut... I wanna be Very Excellent, and then Really Excellent, and then Excellently Excellent! Hmph.
- Bill & Ted
... Wise words to live by.
Hopefully not.
Oh God please no. I beg of it not to be a thing.
What do you think the pros and cons are? Just pure gamification, being able to look at your high scores? I can't say it makes a big difference to my overall Reddit experience.
More sheer curiosity. I have a decent amount of karma on reddit, but that isn't a 1:1 ratio of upvotes. I think the negatives could be, as Cleb mentioned, people just trying to get the most points, spamming the site or just turning it into a circlejerk or whatever. Another downside is it's a point of user data to collect.
The points are already being collected per comment and each comment has an user associated with it so that data is already being stored. It's just a matter of executing a SQL query with a sum to know the total per user.
I can't see any benefits of showing total scores. Maybe it could be made to only show your own total score to yourself and hide it to the rest of the users, but I don't see why that would be useful in any way.
People would just start screencapping their scores at that point.
For me it is total gamification/endorphin release. I guess I am addicted to it. I hate to admit it, but I keep checking my activity to see if people voted on my junk. I'm ashamed, but it's true.
I'm glad the total score is not here, but I bet someday someone makes tildeskarma.com which does the math for you via scraping or the API.
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hmm, I'm not sure how that would work without giving the real users false info, or fuzzing enough to make a difference in the total count over time.
At least I fixed up http://tildeskarma.com/ :)
Let me know if anyone has any other fake affirmations to throw up there.
edit: clarity
Out of personal experience, and with nothing else to back it up, I disagree.
When I was younger it happened to me often that on fora I was (sub)conciously hunting for the higher rank. This effort was doubled and trippled when the next rank was within my grasp. This happened even though at the same time I was aware of it and how stupid it was. As an example, on Gentoo forums I quickly rose to the L33T rank and since I felt my rank is too high for my skill I put “deep inside i'm still a tux's little helper” (second to lowest rank) in my signature.
The rank there was only based on post number, so I find it odd that I still carry the Veteran (highest) rank even though I haven't logged in in ages and am quite out of touch with Gentoo. So I am very much in favour of the rank degrading through time/inactivity.
I think ranks of some sort are better then numbers.
But it's the combination if both is the deadly mix. Then you essentially gamify it - so people see that their karma/posts/points/xp is close the next rank/level so they grind to reach it.
Gamifing can be great in some use cases, but counterproductive to what Tildes is trying to be.
I feel being able to see votes per post is enough to scratch that itch for me. I like to know that other people agreed with/understood/liked what I posted, but more on an individual comment basis than a karmatic total.