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Modern masculinity and The Critical Drinker

30 comments

  1. [15]
    Grayscail
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    Its curious how the Critical Drinker's thesis is apparently "Men don't feel things as much as people seem to think they do, they dont constantly frett or worry over trivial problems" while...

    Its curious how the Critical Drinker's thesis is apparently "Men don't feel things as much as people seem to think they do, they dont constantly frett or worry over trivial problems" while actively fretting over the most trivial of problems the way he has been doing for years at this point.

    32 votes
    1. [14]
      snake_case
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      I swear there was a study just a couple weeks ago that testosterone level was correlated with how much men were hurt by bad social interactions. Like it actually hurts men more than women when you...

      I swear there was a study just a couple weeks ago that testosterone level was correlated with how much men were hurt by bad social interactions. Like it actually hurts men more than women when you attack their perceived social status or something like that.

      Edit okay found it, it was social exclusion that they were measuring, specifically testosterones role in empathy for others social inclusion or exclusion. Higher testosterone meant higher empathy.

      https://www.psypost.org/testosterone-heightens-neural-sensitivity-to-social-inclusion-and-exclusion-study-finds/

      13 votes
      1. [13]
        Gaywallet
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        To quibble about a small bit, it actually didn't show this. It increased signaling pathway amplitudes (strength of neural response) when shown images of social inclusion and exclusion. That is to...

        Edit okay found it, it was social exclusion that they were measuring, specifically testosterones role in empathy for others social inclusion or exclusion. Higher testosterone meant higher empathy.

        To quibble about a small bit, it actually didn't show this. It increased signaling pathway amplitudes (strength of neural response) when shown images of social inclusion and exclusion. That is to say, their brain reacted more strongly to positive and negative signals. Notably, there was no conscious perception of these changes, meaning the change in sensitivity may have no downstream effects (it may be filtered out in emotional processing steps) and this is a single study on 34 college aged males limited in scope, but it is a fascinating finding! The author's suggestion is that it may make people more aware of social dynamics so that one can make decisions based off the perception of social inclusion and exclusion.

        Also as a small aside, they specifically recruited right-handed individuals. I don't have access to the whole paper currently (requested on research gate, since I find this fascinating) but I do wonder a little bit about why they chose to do this. There may be some amount of holdover with the idea that straight men are right handed, or that creative men experience stronger emotions that's somewhat biasing the researchers here and something to pay attention to.

        Edit: after reading through the article (thanks @DefinitelyNotAFae), I don't think there was any intent around right-handedness. I think it was merely notated because this is an important consideration in other similar studies of the brain as @baeocystin mentioned. Right-handedness is only mentioned twice in the entire article, purely in the materials and methods section. The findings don't really discuss specific regions of the brain (outside of mention of what's probably involved, notably the amygdala as one would expect) and are more focused on signal strength, duration, and timing. Interestingly they discuss this through the lens of a "detecting potential threats" model as framework to help explain why there's a stronger response to social isolation than inclusion and a lack of conscious awareness.

        15 votes
        1. [4]
          Baeocystin
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          As someone who used to help run the data collection on studies like this- handedness is a factor in in brain morphology and lateralization. If you don't control for it, you're adding another...

          . There may be some amount of holdover with the idea that...

          As someone who used to help run the data collection on studies like this- handedness is a factor in in brain morphology and lateralization. If you don't control for it, you're adding another variable to an already incredibly hard to interpret dataset.

          13 votes
          1. [3]
            Gaywallet
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            Considering we're dealing with EEGs and not fMRIs, this really shouldn't matter a ton (although I am somewhat unsure whereabouts in the brain they were trying to monitor activity in - I can see...

            Considering we're dealing with EEGs and not fMRIs, this really shouldn't matter a ton (although I am somewhat unsure whereabouts in the brain they were trying to monitor activity in - I can see mention of microstate E which wouldn't have a strong lateralization), but it is something that crossed my mind as a possibility. However, given that we're dealing with emotions and gender I'm a bit more suspicious until I have access to the full article.

            6 votes
            1. [2]
              Fal
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              Not my field so I don't know how to interpret the findings, but here is a link to the full article. Hopefully it gives you access? Sharing paywalled papers is kind of a pain

              Not my field so I don't know how to interpret the findings, but here is a link to the full article. Hopefully it gives you access? Sharing paywalled papers is kind of a pain

              4 votes
              1. Gaywallet
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                Just edited my initial response as I had a chance to skim through and read a few sections already as someone else provided it. Thank you though!

                Just edited my initial response as I had a chance to skim through and read a few sections already as someone else provided it. Thank you though!

                3 votes
        2. snake_case
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          Yeah, they mentioned a lot that it could help them understand autism in males. The right hand thing could be just because of the equipment they were using, but I cant access the full paper either.

          Yeah, they mentioned a lot that it could help them understand autism in males.

          The right hand thing could be just because of the equipment they were using, but I cant access the full paper either.

          2 votes
        3. DefinitelyNotAFae
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          Sent a PM I don't have the energy to read through it myself but I can share

          Sent a PM

          I don't have the energy to read through it myself but I can share

          2 votes
        4. [6]
          blivet
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          Is (or was) there thought to be a correlation between handedness and sexual orientation? I’m left-handed, so I’ve done a certain amount of casual reading on the topic over the years, and I’ve...

          Is (or was) there thought to be a correlation between handedness and sexual orientation? I’m left-handed, so I’ve done a certain amount of casual reading on the topic over the years, and I’ve never come across anything like that.

          1 vote
          1. [5]
            DefinitelyNotAFae
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            There's a wikipedia article. But it's news to me too. The research looks pretty mixed and is probably conflated by both homophobia and some anti-lefty bias, especially in that older meta-analysis....

            There's a wikipedia article. But it's news to me too. The research looks pretty mixed and is probably conflated by both homophobia and some anti-lefty bias, especially in that older meta-analysis. Some studies show no difference, some show a lot of difference. Idk

            Handedness and sexual orientation - Wikipedia

            6 votes
            1. [4]
              blivet
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              Thanks for the link. This line jumped out: I love it, although I have to say that after reading the article the entire topic strikes me as a perfect example of "inconclusive". I suspect that a big...

              Thanks for the link. This line jumped out:

              Bisexuals of both sexes more often described themselves as ambidextrous than gay or heterosexual individuals of the same sex

              I love it, although I have to say that after reading the article the entire topic strikes me as a perfect example of "inconclusive".

              I suspect that a big problem for this line of research is that it depends on self-reporting for both sexual orientation and handedness. In addition to closeted individuals just lying about their orientation, I have a feeling that a lot of people who aren't 100% gay or straight would nevertheless when asked just "pick a side", so to speak. I've also read that the vast majority of people who describe themselves as left-handed are actually ambidextrous.

              4 votes
              1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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                I'm not sure if lefties are naturally ambidextrous or just by necessity. But yeah the research seems all over the place.

                I'm not sure if lefties are naturally ambidextrous or just by necessity. But yeah the research seems all over the place.

                4 votes
              2. [2]
                Minori
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                I'm not sure what to make of this as an ambidextrous bisexual. I don't think they're consciously related?

                I'm not sure what to make of this as an ambidextrous bisexual. I don't think they're consciously related?

                3 votes
                1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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                  There's no consistent research suggesting it, no.

                  There's no consistent research suggesting it, no.

                  3 votes
  2. [14]
    EmperorPenguin
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    In case anyone was unaware and would prefer watching there, Man Carrying Thing also posts on Nebula: https://nebula.tv/videos/mancarryingthing-modern-masculinity-and-the-critical-drinker

    In case anyone was unaware and would prefer watching there, Man Carrying Thing also posts on Nebula: https://nebula.tv/videos/mancarryingthing-modern-masculinity-and-the-critical-drinker

    9 votes
    1. [13]
      crulife
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      Huh, thanks. First time I think I heard of Nebula. Can you recommend any other channels there?

      Huh, thanks. First time I think I heard of Nebula.

      Can you recommend any other channels there?

      5 votes
      1. [2]
        tomorrow-never-knows
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        It's a good service. A few creators I followed over from YouTube include Adam Neely, Polyphonic, Thomas Flight, Patrick H Willems, Real Engineering. Many include additional content or videos...

        It's a good service. A few creators I followed over from YouTube include Adam Neely, Polyphonic, Thomas Flight, Patrick H Willems, Real Engineering. Many include additional content or videos exclusive to Nebula and as they aren't subject to the same broken copyright system as YouTube will even have different cuts featuring extended clips or audio from their subjects.

        10 votes
        1. Crespyl
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          Practical Engineering is also on there, as is Legal Eagle. I'm also partial to Jetlag: The Game which is a kind of low-budget Amazing Race done by the team behind Wendover/Half as Interesting.

          Practical Engineering is also on there, as is Legal Eagle.

          I'm also partial to Jetlag: The Game which is a kind of low-budget Amazing Race done by the team behind Wendover/Half as Interesting.

          9 votes
      2. fxgn
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        I guess you either always use SponsorBlock or don't already watch any channels that post on there, because all YouTubers who are on Nebula promote it in almost every single video (which makes...

        Huh, thanks. First time I think I heard of Nebula

        I guess you either always use SponsorBlock or don't already watch any channels that post on there, because all YouTubers who are on Nebula promote it in almost every single video (which makes sense, I mean, they're getting paid for bringing new customers and those customers then bring them more money by watching their videos on Nebula, that's a perfect deal)

        5 votes
      3. [6]
        vord
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        In no particular order, with no additional context: Good Work RiffTrax Abolish Everything Lindsay Ellis The Getaway It's creator-owned, so as such the political content skews very left.

        In no particular order, with no additional context:
        Good Work
        RiffTrax
        Abolish Everything
        Lindsay Ellis
        The Getaway

        It's creator-owned, so as such the political content skews very left.

        4 votes
        1. [5]
          crulife
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          Aw :-| Probably not quite my thing, then. Why does creator-owned imply skewing to the left, though? That's often the basis of entrepreneurship.

          It's creator-owned, so as such the political content skews very left.

          Aw :-| Probably not quite my thing, then. Why does creator-owned imply skewing to the left, though? That's often the basis of entrepreneurship.

          2 votes
          1. vord
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            @fxgn has it right. I mean left as in "unions and worker cooperatives," not communists. Nebula fits very much into that "worker collective" space. I also say "skews" because once you eliminate the...

            @fxgn has it right. I mean left as in "unions and worker cooperatives," not communists. Nebula fits very much into that "worker collective" space. I also say "skews" because once you eliminate the right, the overton window shifts. The average Republican in the USA would be very disturbed by the quantity of sex-positive content, like sex education channels.

            The venn diagram between "entrepreneur" and "worker cooperative" is much smaller than it should be.

            I would also contend that the left is disproportionately de-monetized by Youtube, which would further incentivize this.

            10 votes
          2. fxgn
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            I wouldn't really say it skews strongly to the left. There's a number of left leaning channels on there, but there are also people like PolyMatter or LeagleEagle who are more liberal/center-right....

            I wouldn't really say it skews strongly to the left. There's a number of left leaning channels on there, but there are also people like PolyMatter or LeagleEagle who are more liberal/center-right. "Left leaning channels" is also a broad category though, it doesn't mean that all they make are video essays about how they hate capitalism, so you could probably enjoy a bunch of content even from them.

            6 votes
          3. [2]
            Sodliddesu
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            Along with this note is that it's not an 'open for anybody' platform. Much digital ink has been spilled about LGBT YouTuber James Somerton and his attempt to join the platform being derailed by...

            Along with this note is that it's not an 'open for anybody' platform. Much digital ink has been spilled about LGBT YouTuber James Somerton and his attempt to join the platform being derailed by the amount they fact check creators and contributors but, suffice it to say, Nebula exists as a response to the "Corporate Liberalism" of YouTube as much as anything else.

            Why did they feel a need to create a competing platform when they still create content for their competitor? YouTube's excessive advertiser kotowing makes it highly likely that any work that makes advertisers squeamish will be demonotized and so on.

            Why does this make it left leaning? Because the smallest amount of fact checking filters out most mainstream 'right wing' channels and other conservative voices then view it as the "Woke YouTube." I think Legal Eagle described it best when he called it "YouTube for people who like trains," which more accurately describes the content. It's not so much 'leftist' in my view, but HBomerguy's multi-hour video on plagiarism is on there, ya know?

            6 votes
            1. vord
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              TV/Movie analysis fits well too, as they can do proper fair use clips without auto-takedowns.

              TV/Movie analysis fits well too, as they can do proper fair use clips without auto-takedowns.

              4 votes
      4. moocow1452
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        Let me know if you’re interested in a guest pass for a free week if you find something on there you’re interested in.

        Let me know if you’re interested in a guest pass for a free week if you find something on there you’re interested in.

        3 votes
      5. EmperorPenguin
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        Like everyone else said, it has a lot of channels that are also on YouTube. There's Lindsay Ellis, Hbomberguy, Not Just Bikes, Angela Collier, Tale Foundry, Big Joel, Joe Scott, and Life Where I'm...

        Like everyone else said, it has a lot of channels that are also on YouTube. There's Lindsay Ellis, Hbomberguy, Not Just Bikes, Angela Collier, Tale Foundry, Big Joel, Joe Scott, and Life Where I'm From for example. Some of them like Tale Foundry or Lindsay Ellis have exclusive videos, and some like Joe Scott have additional segments in the Nebula version of the video. Sometimes Nebula might also get videos a little early. The best part is getting to support the creators while having ad-free videos without paying Google for Premium.

        1 vote
  3. Fiachra
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    I would bet a million euro that the stoic and manly Critical Drinker has already described himself as being "cancelled" by this video.

    I would bet a million euro that the stoic and manly Critical Drinker has already described himself as being "cancelled" by this video.

    8 votes