This kind of looks bad. I’m not the biggest Star Wars lover, I like the original trilogy fine, I love The Last Jedi, and I liked Solo more than most. But this looks like, well, a Disney+ special....
This kind of looks bad. I’m not the biggest Star Wars lover, I like the original trilogy fine, I love The Last Jedi, and I liked Solo more than most. But this looks like, well, a Disney+ special. Solo, for all its faults, looked incredible.
It’s a shame because the mandalorian started as something that kinda understood why Star Wars works and just went with “explore the world with western vibes”. It’s so very far from that now and it...
It’s a shame because the mandalorian started as something that kinda understood why Star Wars works and just went with “explore the world with western vibes”.
It’s so very far from that now and it just feels off. I wouldn’t be shocked if it was “fine” but it’s a shame they don’t have it in them to really tell any other story.
I did really want a "monster/planet of the week" type show out of this, and we got way more lore than I expected. I guess that is kind of Filoni's thing though...
I did really want a "monster/planet of the week" type show out of this, and we got way more lore than I expected. I guess that is kind of Filoni's thing though...
That first season, which I really liked, did feel like it was going to be more of a Wanted Dead or Alive vibe to it. I agree that it’s Filoni’s thing and is a huge weakness of his and why I don’t...
That first season, which I really liked, did feel like it was going to be more of a Wanted Dead or Alive vibe to it. I agree that it’s Filoni’s thing and is a huge weakness of his and why I don’t love that he’s the creative chief of Lucasfilm. He’s really obsessed with lore and having hype moments that reference the universe instead of trying to tell a good story.
I would feel like that if he hadn’t saved Mando’s life a bunch of times. By the end of the third season it kinda felt more like Grogu was taking care of Mando
I would feel like that if he hadn’t saved Mando’s life a bunch of times. By the end of the third season it kinda felt more like Grogu was taking care of Mando
Yeah not quite sure why they decided to finish the story like through a movie, I really enjoyed the series as a TV show and the pacing/story telling for this pair seemed to work really well in a...
Yeah not quite sure why they decided to finish the story like through a movie, I really enjoyed the series as a TV show and the pacing/story telling for this pair seemed to work really well in a TV format. I never really got the impression that it would work in a movie format. I can't tell from the trailer what the story is even supposed to be other than them traveling around causing mischief.
I think it's probably got do with Pedro Pascal and his time more than anything else. He was publicly complaining about this before the last season came out. I also think a movie is a good way to...
I think it's probably got do with Pedro Pascal and his time more than anything else. He was publicly complaining about this before the last season came out. I also think a movie is a good way to end this run or story arc or whatever. The last Mandolorian season was a bit plodding and confused at times so less runtime will probably lead to a better overall story (I hope anyways).
It will leave the option open to have Mando cameo in other Star Wars things, or be part of an ensemble cast, but not carry something and not be as demanding as a TV series.
It really looks like a shark has been jumped where this is just a kid’s movie that might as well be a dreamworks cartoon. I first noticed this tone way back in Return Of The Jedi. There’s a little...
It really looks like a shark has been jumped where this is just a kid’s movie that might as well be a dreamworks cartoon.
I first noticed this tone way back in Return Of The Jedi. There’s a little scene outside Jabba’s palace where a creature eats a smaller one and then lets out a big burp. It’s extremely “Muppet Humor”. Then the whole Ewoks thing in the same movie, and years later, Jar Jar. It’s not a total disaster, but not really for me.
So anyway this trailer looks like the movie is packed with slapstick Muppet Humor and that just doesn’t interest me.
What you're describing is well trod. George Lucas owned the merchandising rights to Star Wars, so he profited more from toys and kids stuff, than literally anything else. And he acted accordingly....
What you're describing is well trod. George Lucas owned the merchandising rights to Star Wars, so he profited more from toys and kids stuff, than literally anything else. And he acted accordingly.
If you search George Lucas Mer, your auto-complete will do the rest.
Anyone who is ever disappointed by something that looks action-figure-ready in a Star Wars movie, has some catching up to do.
The prequels were a mess. George Lucas wanted to tell an interesting, adult, complex story that he didn't have the writing or directoral chops to tell, and he ALSO wanted to make a boatload of...
The prequels were a mess. George Lucas wanted to tell an interesting, adult, complex story that he didn't have the writing or directoral chops to tell, and he ALSO wanted to make a boatload of money from merchandise.
You end up with a bunch of movies that don't know what they're trying to be, and end up being both bloated spectacle and boring, marketed and pandering to kids while depicting slavery and wanton slaughter of children, packed full of special effects, many of which looked dubious even at the time.
There's been a popular trend of kids who grew up with the prequels going back and deciding that they were unfairly judged, and that actually they're great movies. They really aren't. They had a singular voice though, I'll give them that.
I grew up with the prequels and Special Edition, and the prequels were peak Star Wars. The world building and chance to see the Jedi as roaming peacekeepers with inhuman fighting skills was...
I grew up with the prequels and Special Edition, and the prequels were peak Star Wars. The world building and chance to see the Jedi as roaming peacekeepers with inhuman fighting skills was amazing, and still nothing comes close. (I just wish we'd had more Qui-Gon.)
Except maybe Jedi: Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor. Andor was also great, but for different reasons.
Yeah, I think its a side effect of so many milquetoast, committee written and approved pieces of media being released in the past decade. It only gets worse as budgets increase too. Personally,...
Yeah, I think its a side effect of so many milquetoast, committee written and approved pieces of media being released in the past decade. It only gets worse as budgets increase too.
Personally, I'd much rather experience a single person's poorly executed, absolute piece of shit vision than a focus tested, executive approved chunk of corporate produced "content" any day of the week.
The former is at least memorable and makes me feel something. The latter leaves my memory as soon as I'm out of the theater.
I couldn't tell you the plot of a single marvel movie released since 2016, and I feel like I've seen a lot of them.
To be fair, film is an inherently collaborative art form. If you want to watch something made by a single person, you can look to instagram for examples. But at the same time you are definitely...
To be fair, film is an inherently collaborative art form. If you want to watch something made by a single person, you can look to instagram for examples. But at the same time you are definitely not wrong. I just watched Elio, a recent Pixar flop. It was supposed to have themes in it to suggest the main character is queer. Those elements were removed and the director stepped down because of it, and the resulting movie doesn’t really make much sense because the main character’s motivations are now incredibly vague. The movie tries to show that Elio is ostracized because of his obsession with aliens, which itself has a really tenuous establishment that is pretty easy to miss - I honestly feel like the reasoning I’ve personally established is almost jumping to conclusions.
And for an even more high profile Disney film that flopped, look at Wish. It was supposed to be a shining jewel, an aesthetic beauty with a heartwarming “classic Disney” motif. Instead it was workshopped to hell and now I can’t tell you who any of the characters were or even what the film was about.
Filmmaking is a collaborative art form, but traditionally, the creative decisions were left to the creatives. (This is a bit nostalgic and not entirely true, but it's a matter of degrees). The...
Filmmaking is a collaborative art form, but traditionally, the creative decisions were left to the creatives. (This is a bit nostalgic and not entirely true, but it's a matter of degrees). The cinematographer would make decisions on how it was filmed, the composer would make decisions on how it was scored, the editor would make decisions on how it was cut, the key grip would make decisions on how it was lit and so on, with input from and final approval by the director. Ultimately the director was where the buck stopped with creative decision making.
It's just not like that anymore. Studios have wayyyy more oversight than they once did. Directors are subject to the demands of market research and profitability calculations, and frequently now that everything needs to be a franchise, they're not even free to tell the actual story they want to tell.
Yes well I mentioned that I noticed it in a movie that came out in 1983 so I guess I’m all caught up. Earlier mandalorian episodes were definitely merch friendly. I remember seeing some vehicles...
Yes well I mentioned that I noticed it in a movie that came out in 1983 so I guess I’m all caught up.
Earlier mandalorian episodes were definitely merch friendly. I remember seeing some vehicles that were straight from Kenner. But it got more muppety as grogu got more popular.
Babu Frick all of you and your Sith hearts! I hope this movie has Ewoks, Yoda’s force ghost, and more of those muppets from Return of the Jedi on rotisseries! Lolol. I couldn’t resist, but I...
Babu Frick all of you and your Sith hearts! I hope this movie has Ewoks, Yoda’s force ghost, and more of those muppets from Return of the Jedi on rotisseries! Lolol. I couldn’t resist, but I actually would be fine with all of that. Disney should just do a Muppets version of Star Wars while they’re at it.
Agreed with everything you say. This trailer was unremarkable and while you can never judge a movie by its trailer.. it looks pretty boring. It's ok that something is not for me, but it's such a...
Agreed with everything you say. This trailer was unremarkable and while you can never judge a book by its cover movie by its trailer.. it looks pretty boring.
It's ok that something is not for me, but it's such a shame because some aspects of SW are truly great, so more often than not when a new movie/show is about to come out, I'm left disappointed and thinking about the lost potential.
Rogue One and Andor are (by far) still the best stuff from this franchise imo.
For me, Grogu destroyed anything about The Mandolorian that I enjoyed, then Skywalker's appearance shat all over the wreckage. Waaaay too much leaning on nostalgia for me.
For me, Grogu destroyed anything about The Mandolorian that I enjoyed, then Skywalker's appearance shat all over the wreckage. Waaaay too much leaning on nostalgia for me.
new Star Wars sucks for the most part -- but I was really into The Mandalorian when it looked like it would be Lone Wolf and Cub for a few episodes... then the kid never left.. then he did, but...
new Star Wars sucks for the most part -- but I was really into The Mandalorian when it looked like it would be Lone Wolf and Cub for a few episodes... then the kid never left.. then he did, but came back. I was really hoping we'd get 1-3 episode arcs where he wanders into some town for a job, does the job, gets pulled in to something else (or just leaves)... but no. Gotta sell plushies.
With Luke, I can't believe they didn't just bring in Sebastian Stan and fill in some gaps with Mando wandering through.
its wild that a property as big as Star Wars has this MASSIVE EU and it pretty much ignored it all.
Agreed, across the board. The low points for me was when Grogu was already doing jedi master shit with no training. The series just completely fucked over Yoda's "specialness"; turns out he wasn't...
Agreed, across the board. The low points for me was when Grogu was already doing jedi master shit with no training. The series just completely fucked over Yoda's "specialness"; turns out he wasn't all that special, just lucky he was born into the right species. (I know about Yaddle, but that just supports the notion that that race is "jedi right out of the box")
ugh. yeah — it’s criminal to purposely ignore greatness in favor of merchandise. i didn’t know they did a second series of Visions — or I did and it was lame and i forgot. that one samurai episode...
ugh. yeah — it’s criminal to purposely ignore greatness in favor of merchandise.
i didn’t know they did a second series of Visions — or I did and it was lame and i forgot. that one samurai episode in the first series was neat.
for the other animated properties, i wish they’d drop that style and move toward Batman TAS
Less ignored and more threw it all away. I can even understand at least the initial framing of the EU being "old canon" because, yeah it was a spaghetti mess of weird stuff to deal with if you're...
Less ignored and more threw it all away. I can even understand at least the initial framing of the EU being "old canon" because, yeah it was a spaghetti mess of weird stuff to deal with if you're bringing it more front and center.
But as someone who grew up seeped in the EU it's been really weird watching them lift pieces of plot lines and character beats and graft them together in a different mess that also doesn't really work. At least the old stuff was mostly just focused on having a story instead of nostalgia bait and/or navel gazing every 5 minutes.
For me the difference is that I’ve seen an X-Wing ornament on a tree before, but that doesn’t mean that X-Wings are associated with Santa or Jesus. When I’ve seen Grogu on someone’s lawn he’s...
For me the difference is that I’ve seen an X-Wing ornament on a tree before, but that doesn’t mean that X-Wings are associated with Santa or Jesus. When I’ve seen Grogu on someone’s lawn he’s wearing a Santa Hat, which means he is in the same galaxy and time as us. I suppose there are displays with Obi Wan in a manger or something, but I haven’t seen them.
Ah gotcha, I don't think there's an official star wars nativity but I found one on Etsy But a quick search found an all white "Holiday Wookie", a StormTrooper on a Shelf, a scout trooper in green...
Ah gotcha, I don't think there's an official star wars nativity but I found one on Etsy
But a quick search found an all white "Holiday Wookie", a StormTrooper on a Shelf, a scout trooper in green and red (with grogu in the bag) and even an assortment of ornaments of characters in Santa hats.
I suspect grogu was just part of the most recent wave and caught the most attention.
Somebody posted the original trailer for The Mandalorian on the r/movies thread. The shift in tone between these two trailers is kind of mind blowing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOC8E8z_ifw
Somebody posted the original trailer for The Mandalorian on the r/movies thread. The shift in tone between these two trailers is kind of mind blowing.
The Mandolorian Season 1 is the last bit of Star Wars media that was thoroughly well received. Came out right before The Rise of Skywalker and is still the best thing to come out of any of the TV...
The Mandolorian Season 1 is the last bit of Star Wars media that was thoroughly well received. Came out right before The Rise of Skywalker and is still the best thing to come out of any of the TV shows.
I still remember exactly where I was when I watched that trailer as I was leaving my classroom. The hype was insane.
Nah I just blanked on that lol. Definitely on a popularity level though, I don’t think any show has matched Mando’s first two seasons in terms of viewership.
Nah I just blanked on that lol. Definitely on a popularity level though, I don’t think any show has matched Mando’s first two seasons in terms of viewership.
This kind of looks bad. I’m not the biggest Star Wars lover, I like the original trilogy fine, I love The Last Jedi, and I liked Solo more than most. But this looks like, well, a Disney+ special. Solo, for all its faults, looked incredible.
It’s a shame because the mandalorian started as something that kinda understood why Star Wars works and just went with “explore the world with western vibes”.
It’s so very far from that now and it just feels off. I wouldn’t be shocked if it was “fine” but it’s a shame they don’t have it in them to really tell any other story.
I did really want a "monster/planet of the week" type show out of this, and we got way more lore than I expected. I guess that is kind of Filoni's thing though...
That first season, which I really liked, did feel like it was going to be more of a Wanted Dead or Alive vibe to it. I agree that it’s Filoni’s thing and is a huge weakness of his and why I don’t love that he’s the creative chief of Lucasfilm. He’s really obsessed with lore and having hype moments that reference the universe instead of trying to tell a good story.
I don’t care for baby Yoda. It keeps the show in this weird daddy day care space that I don’t care for.
I would feel like that if he hadn’t saved Mando’s life a bunch of times. By the end of the third season it kinda felt more like Grogu was taking care of Mando
Yeah not quite sure why they decided to finish the story like through a movie, I really enjoyed the series as a TV show and the pacing/story telling for this pair seemed to work really well in a TV format. I never really got the impression that it would work in a movie format. I can't tell from the trailer what the story is even supposed to be other than them traveling around causing mischief.
I think it's probably got do with Pedro Pascal and his time more than anything else. He was publicly complaining about this before the last season came out. I also think a movie is a good way to end this run or story arc or whatever. The last Mandolorian season was a bit plodding and confused at times so less runtime will probably lead to a better overall story (I hope anyways).
It will leave the option open to have Mando cameo in other Star Wars things, or be part of an ensemble cast, but not carry something and not be as demanding as a TV series.
It really looks like a shark has been jumped where this is just a kid’s movie that might as well be a dreamworks cartoon.
I first noticed this tone way back in Return Of The Jedi. There’s a little scene outside Jabba’s palace where a creature eats a smaller one and then lets out a big burp. It’s extremely “Muppet Humor”. Then the whole Ewoks thing in the same movie, and years later, Jar Jar. It’s not a total disaster, but not really for me.
So anyway this trailer looks like the movie is packed with slapstick Muppet Humor and that just doesn’t interest me.
What you're describing is well trod. George Lucas owned the merchandising rights to Star Wars, so he profited more from toys and kids stuff, than literally anything else. And he acted accordingly.
If you search
George Lucas Mer, your auto-complete will do the rest.Anyone who is ever disappointed by something that looks action-figure-ready in a Star Wars movie, has some catching up to do.
Also… Lucas made it for kids
I guess so, but also the movies have trade wars and senate drama and slavery and decapitations.
The prequels were a mess. George Lucas wanted to tell an interesting, adult, complex story that he didn't have the writing or directoral chops to tell, and he ALSO wanted to make a boatload of money from merchandise.
You end up with a bunch of movies that don't know what they're trying to be, and end up being both bloated spectacle and boring, marketed and pandering to kids while depicting slavery and wanton slaughter of children, packed full of special effects, many of which looked dubious even at the time.
There's been a popular trend of kids who grew up with the prequels going back and deciding that they were unfairly judged, and that actually they're great movies. They really aren't. They had a singular voice though, I'll give them that.
I'm a kid who grew up with the prequels and I think they sucked ass, lol.
ETA: Duel of the Fates slaps though...
I thought they were awesome as a kid and then promptly revised my opinions on a rewatch when older.
They truly are subpar movies. Memorable though.
I grew up with the prequels and Special Edition, and the prequels were peak Star Wars. The world building and chance to see the Jedi as roaming peacekeepers with inhuman fighting skills was amazing, and still nothing comes close. (I just wish we'd had more Qui-Gon.)
Except maybe Jedi: Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor. Andor was also great, but for different reasons.
As an aside, it's extremely weird that this is a compliment now.
Yeah, I think its a side effect of so many milquetoast, committee written and approved pieces of media being released in the past decade. It only gets worse as budgets increase too.
Personally, I'd much rather experience a single person's poorly executed, absolute piece of shit vision than a focus tested, executive approved chunk of corporate produced "content" any day of the week.
The former is at least memorable and makes me feel something. The latter leaves my memory as soon as I'm out of the theater.
I couldn't tell you the plot of a single marvel movie released since 2016, and I feel like I've seen a lot of them.
To be fair, film is an inherently collaborative art form. If you want to watch something made by a single person, you can look to instagram for examples. But at the same time you are definitely not wrong. I just watched Elio, a recent Pixar flop. It was supposed to have themes in it to suggest the main character is queer. Those elements were removed and the director stepped down because of it, and the resulting movie doesn’t really make much sense because the main character’s motivations are now incredibly vague. The movie tries to show that Elio is ostracized because of his obsession with aliens, which itself has a really tenuous establishment that is pretty easy to miss - I honestly feel like the reasoning I’ve personally established is almost jumping to conclusions.
And for an even more high profile Disney film that flopped, look at Wish. It was supposed to be a shining jewel, an aesthetic beauty with a heartwarming “classic Disney” motif. Instead it was workshopped to hell and now I can’t tell you who any of the characters were or even what the film was about.
Filmmaking is a collaborative art form, but traditionally, the creative decisions were left to the creatives. (This is a bit nostalgic and not entirely true, but it's a matter of degrees). The cinematographer would make decisions on how it was filmed, the composer would make decisions on how it was scored, the editor would make decisions on how it was cut, the key grip would make decisions on how it was lit and so on, with input from and final approval by the director. Ultimately the director was where the buck stopped with creative decision making.
It's just not like that anymore. Studios have wayyyy more oversight than they once did. Directors are subject to the demands of market research and profitability calculations, and frequently now that everything needs to be a franchise, they're not even free to tell the actual story they want to tell.
It just waters everything down.
Owen and Beru's smoking corpses disagree.
Yes well I mentioned that I noticed it in a movie that came out in 1983 so I guess I’m all caught up.
Earlier mandalorian episodes were definitely merch friendly. I remember seeing some vehicles that were straight from Kenner. But it got more muppety as grogu got more popular.
Babu Frick all of you and your Sith hearts! I hope this movie has Ewoks, Yoda’s force ghost, and more of those muppets from Return of the Jedi on rotisseries! Lolol. I couldn’t resist, but I actually would be fine with all of that. Disney should just do a Muppets version of Star Wars while they’re at it.
There actually is a Phineas and Ferb version of Star Wars, somehow.
Agreed with everything you say. This trailer was unremarkable and while you can never judge a
book by its covermovie by its trailer.. it looks pretty boring.It's ok that something is not for me, but it's such a shame because some aspects of SW are truly great, so more often than not when a new movie/show is about to come out, I'm left disappointed and thinking about the lost potential.
Rogue One and Andor are (by far) still the best stuff from this franchise imo.
i really don’t like Grogu.
For me, Grogu destroyed anything about The Mandolorian that I enjoyed, then Skywalker's appearance shat all over the wreckage. Waaaay too much leaning on nostalgia for me.
new Star Wars sucks for the most part -- but I was really into The Mandalorian when it looked like it would be Lone Wolf and Cub for a few episodes... then the kid never left.. then he did, but came back. I was really hoping we'd get 1-3 episode arcs where he wanders into some town for a job, does the job, gets pulled in to something else (or just leaves)... but no. Gotta sell plushies.
With Luke, I can't believe they didn't just bring in Sebastian Stan and fill in some gaps with Mando wandering through.
its wild that a property as big as Star Wars has this MASSIVE EU and it pretty much ignored it all.
Agreed, across the board. The low points for me was when Grogu was already doing jedi master shit with no training. The series just completely fucked over Yoda's "specialness"; turns out he wasn't all that special, just lucky he was born into the right species. (I know about Yaddle, but that just supports the notion that that race is "jedi right out of the box")
ugh. yeah — it’s criminal to purposely ignore greatness in favor of merchandise.
i didn’t know they did a second series of Visions — or I did and it was lame and i forgot. that one samurai episode in the first series was neat.
for the other animated properties, i wish they’d drop that style and move toward Batman TAS
Less ignored and more threw it all away. I can even understand at least the initial framing of the EU being "old canon" because, yeah it was a spaghetti mess of weird stuff to deal with if you're bringing it more front and center.
But as someone who grew up seeped in the EU it's been really weird watching them lift pieces of plot lines and character beats and graft them together in a different mess that also doesn't really work. At least the old stuff was mostly just focused on having a story instead of nostalgia bait and/or navel gazing every 5 minutes.
i was really hoping we’d get a the legacy of the force series before this all came out.
The most hilarious thing is Grogu Christmas decorations. It’s so completely anachronistic.
Why is it more anachronistic than any Star wars Christmas decoration?
For me the difference is that I’ve seen an X-Wing ornament on a tree before, but that doesn’t mean that X-Wings are associated with Santa or Jesus. When I’ve seen Grogu on someone’s lawn he’s wearing a Santa Hat, which means he is in the same galaxy and time as us. I suppose there are displays with Obi Wan in a manger or something, but I haven’t seen them.
Ah gotcha, I don't think there's an official star wars nativity but I found one on Etsy
But a quick search found an all white "Holiday Wookie", a StormTrooper on a Shelf, a scout trooper in green and red (with grogu in the bag) and even an assortment of ornaments of characters in Santa hats.
I suspect grogu was just part of the most recent wave and caught the most attention.
You fine folks have clearly not seen the glory that is this year’s Lego Gingerbread AT-AT Walker!
It's not Christmas, it's Life Day! (And it's a Tree of Life and not a Christmas Tree.)
Somebody posted the original trailer for The Mandalorian on the r/movies thread. The shift in tone between these two trailers is kind of mind blowing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOC8E8z_ifw
The Mandolorian Season 1 is the last bit of Star Wars media that was thoroughly well received. Came out right before The Rise of Skywalker and is still the best thing to come out of any of the TV shows.
I still remember exactly where I was when I watched that trailer as I was leaving my classroom. The hype was insane.
More well received than Andor? Or do you mean popular reception vs critical reception?
Nah I just blanked on that lol. Definitely on a popularity level though, I don’t think any show has matched Mando’s first two seasons in terms of viewership.