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Daily thread - United States 2021 transition of power - January 10

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  1. [3]
    Akir
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    It just occurred to me that this whole attack on the capital follows the pattern of a lynching almost exactly. The impetus of the event is the success of a group that they hate, combined with...

    It just occurred to me that this whole attack on the capital follows the pattern of a lynching almost exactly.

    The impetus of the event is the success of a group that they hate, combined with constructed facts - that is to say, lies they tell themselves. This has been churning for a while until they were spurred into action by the words of someone with power.

    The crowd was almost entirely made up of white people, with the most violent group being made up of white men. And just like a historical lynching, there was a relatively small number of people actively hurting people while the majority were there to see their perverted views of “justice” being carried out. And like many historical lynchings, the police were ineffective at controlling the crowd.

    With how many far-right rallies there are nowadays, this is kind of frightening. How many more lynchings are there going to be in the years to come?

    23 votes
    1. Amarok
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      That's usually how this goes. Most people show up for the party/solidarity without a second thought for anything beyond a good time. Then there's the folks with an agenda using those useful idiots...

      That's usually how this goes.

      Most people show up for the party/solidarity without a second thought for anything beyond a good time. Then there's the folks with an agenda using those useful idiots as cover. Give it a little time and everyone's getting pissed off, worked up, and less rational. Before you know it you've got a bloodthirsty mob on your hands. This is the danger whenever you get large groups of people congregating together.

      Make no mistake, we came very close to losing several members of the house, senate, and white house yesterday. We could all be watching live video feed of kidnapped senators right now while listening to batshit crazy ultimatums from homegrown terror groups... and we still have to get past the 20th of this month before we can even begin to pretend we're in the clear. At least the mob has lost the advantage of surprise (not like they ever should have had it in the first place).

      12 votes
  2. [6]
    kfwyre
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    L. Lin Wood, attorney for Kyle Rittenhouse, explicitly called for Pence's death on Parler during the events at the Capitol on Wednesday. Parler has since removed the message. Here is Wood's...

    L. Lin Wood, attorney for Kyle Rittenhouse, explicitly called for Pence's death on Parler during the events at the Capitol on Wednesday. Parler has since removed the message.

    Here is Wood's response (imgur link, partly because I don't want to link to Parler and partly because it will likely be gone soon). He describes his threats as "rhetorical hyperbole".

    Take special note of the metrics. I had thought Parler was a tiny site with a small group of users. At the time I screenshotted it, Wood's post has 7.4 million views, with ~10,000 comments, ~24,000 echoes, and ~105,000 upvotes. Chilling.

    16 votes
    1. [2]
      Grimalkin
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      Wasn't there an article (or articles) that came out when the site started becoming popular that said their numbers were hugely inflated due to bots, dupe accounts, etc? (I may be misremembering,...

      Wasn't there an article (or articles) that came out when the site started becoming popular that said their numbers were hugely inflated due to bots, dupe accounts, etc? (I may be misremembering, though)

      8 votes
      1. kfwyre
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        Nothing I'm familiar with, but I'll admit that while I was browsing their site I was skeptical of the numbers as well. If they are true, the amount of support for some of the stuff I saw there is...

        Nothing I'm familiar with, but I'll admit that while I was browsing their site I was skeptical of the numbers as well.

        If they are true, the amount of support for some of the stuff I saw there is haunting. If they are false, they still create the perception that there is far more social support for their positions than is actually true. Either way is deeply troubling.

        9 votes
    2. [3]
      pvik
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      Is Parler starting to moderate their site now? From the article you linked I thought the whole shtick about Parler was that it's a free-space to post anything.

      Parler has since removed the message.

      Is Parler starting to moderate their site now?

      From the article you linked

      The message, along with a few others, violated Parler's terms of service, and was removed, CEO John Matze told Mediate on Saturday.

      I thought the whole shtick about Parler was that it's a free-space to post anything.

      5 votes
      1. kfwyre
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        They definitely bill themselves as such, but they do have a (very minimal) moderation policy. You can see their guidelines here and here (both PDFs).

        They definitely bill themselves as such, but they do have a (very minimal) moderation policy. You can see their guidelines here and here (both PDFs).

        6 votes
      2. nukeman
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        They're getting loads of funding from the Mercers. I suspect they are having things removed when it becomes counter-productive to the site's goals.

        They're getting loads of funding from the Mercers. I suspect they are having things removed when it becomes counter-productive to the site's goals.

        6 votes
  3. [2]
    cfabbro
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    The F.B.I. arrests a man who had carried zip ties into the Capitol. p.s. The "internet researcher" credited by the NYT works at U of T's Citizen Lab, which makes me proud to see. :)

    The F.B.I. arrests a man who had carried zip ties into the Capitol.

    The F.B.I. arrested a man on Sunday who was photographed in the Senate chamber clad in military-style clothing and holding zip ties after internet researchers managed to piece together his identity.

    Law enforcement officials said the man, Eric Gavelek Munchel, 30, was taken into custody in Nashville on federal charges. One of the officials said the authorities had recovered several weapons. No further details were available. Charges were expected to be announced soon.

    Efforts to reach Mr. Munchel before his arrest were unsuccessful. He is one of more than a dozen people charged by federal authorities in connection with the attack on the Capitol.

    p.s. The "internet researcher" credited by the NYT works at U of T's Citizen Lab, which makes me proud to see. :)

    14 votes
    1. cfabbro
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      Related Justice.gov press release: Two Men Charged in Connection with Events at U.S. Capitol

      Related Justice.gov press release:
      Two Men Charged in Connection with Events at U.S. Capitol

      Larry Rendell Brock, of Texas, was charged with one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Brock was arrested today in Texas.

      It is alleged that Brock was identified as one of the individuals who unlawfully entered the U.S. Capitol wearing a green helmet, green tactical vest with patches, black and camo jacket, and beige pants holding a white flex cuff, which is used by law enforcement to restrain and/or detain subjects.

      Eric Gavelek Munchel, of Tennessee, was charged with one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Munchel was arrested today in Tennessee.

      It is alleged that Munchel was inside of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Photos depicting his presence show a person who appears to be Munchel carrying plastic restraints, an item in a holster on his right hip, and a cell phone mounted on his chest with the camera facing outward, ostensibly to record events that day.

      7 votes
  4. spit-evil-olive-tips
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    YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel hours after Rudy Giuliani appeared on an episode and blamed the Capitol siege on Democrats This is a reminder that even though this is good news, we...

    YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel hours after Rudy Giuliani appeared on an episode and blamed the Capitol siege on Democrats

    Giuliani said: "Believe me, Trump people were not scaling the wall. So there's nothing to it that he incited anything."

    He continued: "Also, there's equal if not more responsibility on the fascists who now running the Democrat Party, who have imposed censorship on these people, who have been singling them out for unfair treatment since the IRS started going after conservative groups."

    Bannon, a former White House strategist and senior counselor to Trump, had previously been disciplined by Twitter for inflammatory content on an episode of "War Room."

    On November 5, 2020, Twitter permanently suspended Bannon after he called for Dr Anthony Fauci to be beheaded in an episode. The ban was for flouting Twitter rules on the "glorification of violence," according to Newsweek.

    This is a reminder that even though this is good news, we should not be giving YouTube any kudos for doing the right thing here. Bannon called for Fauci's execution 2 months ago and YouTube was content to leave him on their platform then.

    12 votes
  5. cfabbro
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    Pipe bombs found at DNC and RNC buildings were viable

    Pipe bombs found at DNC and RNC buildings were viable

    A law enforcement official told CBS news on Saturday that the explosive devices found Wednesday at the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee were viable, although it's unclear how big they were or how much damage they could have done. The DNC and RNC headquarters are located just blocks from the U.S. Capitol, which was under siege from a pro-Trump mob on Wednesday.

    Finding the culprit who planted the pipe bombs is a top priority for the FBI and all 56 field offices are involved in the investigation, the law enforcement official said. There are wanted posters and bus stop ads out featuring images of someone suspected of planting the bombs, and the agency posted the images on social media on Thursday.

    The FBI said on Thursday that it is offering $50,000 for information "leading to the location, arrest, and conviction" of whoever is responsible.

    11 votes
  6. [5]
    cfabbro
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    Stripe Stops Processing Payments for Trump Campaign Website

    Stripe Stops Processing Payments for Trump Campaign Website

    Stripe Inc. will no longer process payments for President Trump’s campaign website following last week’s riot at the Capitol, according to people familiar with the matter.

    The financial-technology company handles card payments for millions of online businesses and e-commerce platforms, including Mr. Trump’s campaign website and online fundraising apparatus. Stripe is cutting off the president’s campaign account for violating its policies against encouraging violence, the people said.

    Stripe asks users to agree that they won’t accept payments for “high risk” activities, including for any business or organization that “engages in, encourages, promotes or celebrates unlawful violence or physical harm to persons or property,” according to its website.

    Spokespeople for the Trump campaign didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

    11 votes
    1. [4]
      emdash
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      AWS and now Stripe, awesome. It's nice to see not just consumer-facing companies but also the infrastructure/fintech, lower-level companies do this too. Domain registrars next? Can LetsEncrypt...

      AWS and now Stripe, awesome. It's nice to see not just consumer-facing companies but also the infrastructure/fintech, lower-level companies do this too. Domain registrars next? Can LetsEncrypt revoke certificates?

      7 votes
      1. [2]
        Amarok
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        I wonder if Cloudflare will get in the game. Their DDoS protection enables a lot of questionable websites to remain online.

        I wonder if Cloudflare will get in the game. Their DDoS protection enables a lot of questionable websites to remain online.

        4 votes
        1. cfabbro
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          Gab is still under Cloudflare protection AFAIK, and it's not much better than Parler. However, they did cut ties with 8chan and Daily Stormer at inflection points revolving around those two sites...

          Gab is still under Cloudflare protection AFAIK, and it's not much better than Parler. However, they did cut ties with 8chan and Daily Stormer at inflection points revolving around those two sites though, so who knows what they will do now. Matthew Prince has some pretty awkward ideals regarding not wanting to be an arbiter of hateful content online (See: Terminating Service for 8Chan). But maybe this failed coup nonsense will get him to finally step up and take some responsibility for what his customers allow to take place on their sites. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

          6 votes
  7. [2]
    kfwyre
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    Second U.S. Capitol Police officer dies

    Second U.S. Capitol Police officer dies

    In a statement issued Sunday morning, U.S. Capitol Police did not link Howard Liebengood’s death while off duty to Wednesday’s deadly insurrection on Capitol Hill.

    “The United States Capitol Police is deeply saddened by the off-duty death on January 9, 2021, of Officer Howard Liebengood,” the agency said. “He was assigned to the Senate Division, and has been with the Department since April 2005. Our thoughts and prayers go out to his family, friends, and colleagues.”

    USCP did not specify the cause of Liebengood’s death. He was 51.

    10 votes
    1. cfabbro
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      It's now being reported as a suicide. :( Off-duty U.S. Capitol Police officer has died; law enforcement officials cite suicide

      It's now being reported as a suicide. :(

      Off-duty U.S. Capitol Police officer has died; law enforcement officials cite suicide

      U.S. Capitol Police on Sunday announced the death of off-duty officer Howard Liebengood, the son and namesake of a former Senate Sergeant-at-Arms, lobbyist and Hill staffer.

      Liebengood, 51, who went by “Howie,” died on Saturday, the agency said. Its statement did not list a cause of death, but two law enforcement officials told The Washington Post that he had died by suicide, days after being on the scene of Wednesday’s violent siege of the Capitol building by a pro-Trump mob.

      The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to release details that were not being made public.

      Liebengood had been with the department since April 2005 and was assigned to the Senate Division. A former co-worker said he often worked at the Delaware entrance of the Russell Senate Office Building — his favorite posting.

      6 votes
  8. spit-evil-olive-tips
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    A newly elected Republican congresswoman has apologised for quoting Hitler in a speech in Washington. Truth is stupider than fiction. If you wrote dystopian fiction where a group named "Moms for...

    A newly elected Republican congresswoman has apologised for quoting Hitler in a speech in Washington.

    In a statement, Mary Miller of Illinois said she “sincerely apologised for any offence” given when she told a crowd at the US Capitol: “Hitler was right on one thing. He said, ‘Whoever has the youth has the future.’ Our children are being propagandised.”

    Miller paraphrased Hitler – who in 1935 told a rally: “He alone who owns the youth gains the future” – on Tuesday, in an address to a “Save the Republic” event hosted by Moms for America, a rightwing group which campaigns to “reclaim our culture for truth, family and freedom”.

    Moms for America said Miller’s words were being “taken out of context and used as a weapon against her” and urged people to listen to her whole speech.

    Truth is stranger stupider than fiction. If you wrote dystopian fiction where a group named "Moms for America" defended a politician quoting Hitler, it'd be dismissed as completely unrealistic.

    10 votes
  9. [6]
    cfabbro
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    Pelosi: House ‘will proceed’ to impeachment of Trump Pelosi's press release of the letter can be found here: https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/11021-0

    Pelosi: House ‘will proceed’ to impeachment of Trump

    WASHINGTON (AP) — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Sunday the House will proceed with legislation to impeach President Donald Trump, calling him a threat to democracy after the deadly assault on the Capitol.

    Pelosi made the announcement in a letter to colleagues. She said the House will act with solemnity but also urgency with just days remaining before Trump is to leave office on Jan. 20.

    Pelosi said that first the House will try to force Vice President Mike Pence and the Cabinet to oust Trump by invoking the 25th Amendment.

    On Monday, House leaders will work to swiftly pass legislation to do that. If it is blocked by Republicans, which is almost certain, the House will convene for a full House vote Tuesday.

    Pelosi explained that the resolution calls on Pence “to convene and mobilize the Cabinet to activate the 25th Amendment to declare the President incapable of executing the duties of his office.” Under the procedure, the vice president “would immediately exercise powers as acting President,” she wrote.

    Pence is not expected to take the lead in forcing Trump out, although talk has been circulating about the 25th Amendment option for days in Washington.

    Next, the House would move to consider the articles of impeachment, Pelosi said. The day for an impeachment vote was not set.


    Pelosi's press release of the letter can be found here:
    https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/11021-0

    Dear Democratic Colleague,

    On this Sunday, as we pray that God will continue to Bless America, I write to inform you of our next actions, which will be made with the great solemnity that this moment requires.

    I want to call to your immediate attention the action to be taken tomorrow morning, when Majority Leader Hoyer will request Unanimous Consent to bring up the Raskin resolution. This resolution calls on the Vice President to convene and mobilize the Cabinet to activate the 25th Amendment to declare the President incapable of executing the duties of his office, after which the Vice President would immediately exercise powers as acting President. The text of the resolution can be found here.

    If we do not receive Unanimous Consent, this legislation is planned to be brought up on the Floor the following day. We are calling on the Vice President to respond within 24 hours.

    Next, we will proceed with bringing impeachment legislation to the Floor.

    In protecting our Constitution and our Democracy, we will act with urgency, because this President represents an imminent threat to both. As the days go by, the horror of the ongoing assault on our democracy perpetrated by this President is intensified and so is the immediate need for action.

    I look forward to our Caucus call tomorrow. I am grateful to all Members for the suggestions, observations and input that you have been sending. Your views on the 25th Amendment, 14th Amendment Section 3 and impeachment are valued as we continue. I am answering your communications in chronological order and will do so into the night.

    Thank you for your patriotism.

    Prayerfully,

    10 votes
    1. [2]
      spit-evil-olive-tips
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      Disappointing but not surprising how slow they're making the timeline. Monday, trying to get unanimous consent for a resolution. This requires only a single Republican objection to block it, which...

      Disappointing but not surprising how slow they're making the timeline.

      Monday, trying to get unanimous consent for a resolution. This requires only a single Republican objection to block it, which will certainly happen.

      Tuesday, full house vote on the resolution. Crucially, this isn't impeachment - it's a non-binding resolution asking Pence to pretty please invoke the 25th.

      Then Wednesday, they start bringing impeachment to the floor. That means the full impeachment vote in the House probably won't even happen this week.

      Does Pelosi realize this isn't chess-by-mail?! You're allowed to make more than one move per day.

      7 votes
      1. skybrian
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        Apparently the Senate won't start the trial until after Trump is gone, so a few days more or less doesn't matter.

        Apparently the Senate won't start the trial until after Trump is gone, so a few days more or less doesn't matter.

        6 votes
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      1. Omnicrola
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        While I agree, I also am not surprised. Religion is not limited to the Republicans, and America has a lot of influential religious groups that need to be appealed to.

        While I agree, I also am not surprised. Religion is not limited to the Republicans, and America has a lot of influential religious groups that need to be appealed to.

        13 votes
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  10. spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Capitol police were overrun, ‘left naked’ against rioters

    Capitol police were overrun, ‘left naked’ against rioters

    Despite ample warnings about pro-Trump demonstrations in Washington, U.S. Capitol Police did not bolster staffing on Wednesday and made no preparations for the possibility that the planned protests could escalate into massive violent riots, according to several people briefed on law enforcement’s response.

    The revelations shed new light on why Capitol police were so quickly overrun by rioters. The department had the same number of officers in place as on a routine day. While some of those officers were outfitted with equipment for a protest, they were not staffed or equipped for a riot.

    8 votes
  11. spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Seattle man charged with assaulting a federal officer at U.S. Capitol siege More bullshit "kid gloves" treatment. He punched a cop. Released without bail, allowed to fly home on his own, and not...

    Seattle man charged with assaulting a federal officer at U.S. Capitol siege

    More bullshit "kid gloves" treatment. He punched a cop. Released without bail, allowed to fly home on his own, and not even put under house arrest or GPS monitoring or anything else.

    8 votes
  12. [2]
    kfwyre
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    Lawmakers may have been exposed to coronavirus in Capitol lockdown, attending physician says

    Lawmakers may have been exposed to coronavirus in Capitol lockdown, attending physician says

    “On Wednesday January 6, many members of the House community were in protective isolation in room located in a large committee hearing space,” Brian Monahan, the attending physician to Congress, wrote in an email that was sent to members of Congress on Sunday morning. “The time in this room was several hours for some and briefer for others. During this time, individuals may have been exposed to another occupant with coronavirus infection.”

    Monahan did not specify how large the group of lawmakers in the room was.

    7 votes
    1. Amarok
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      If it was the new strain, the answer to that last bit is: all of them will be exposed. Jake LaTurner tests positive 19 hours after the vote. Everyone who was in that room with him has been exposed...

      If it was the new strain, the answer to that last bit is: all of them will be exposed.

      Jake LaTurner tests positive 19 hours after the vote. Everyone who was in that room with him has been exposed - he would have been highly contagious before showing those symptoms. I'd assume anyone who was there that day has it by now.

      7 votes
  13. cfabbro
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    Man With Assault Rifle Charged With Threatening Pelosi, Officials Say

    Man With Assault Rifle Charged With Threatening Pelosi, Officials Say

    A man who had an assault rifle was charged with threatening Nancy Pelosi, the House speaker, after he traveled to Washington for the pro-Trump rally on Wednesday and sent a text message saying he would put “a bullet in her noggin on Live TV,” the federal authorities said.

    Federal agents said the man, Cleveland Grover Meredith Jr., had been staying at a Holiday Inn in Washington and had weapons in his camper-style trailer, including a Glock handgun, a pistol, a Tavor X95 assault rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition.

    Mr. Meredith was charged with transmitting a threat in interstate commerce, possession of an unregistered firearm and unlawful possession of ammunition, according to court records. It was not immediately clear if he had a lawyer.

    The Department of Justice said on Friday that he was one of 13 people who had been charged in federal court after a violent pro-Trump mob stormed the Capitol on Wednesday and disrupted Congress as it was certifying the results of the presidential election.

    7 votes
  14. [5]
    stu2b50
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    New Marist poll (A+ rating) shows that only 77% of Republicans approve of Trump after Wednesday, a sharp decline from the 90% he held before.

    New Marist poll (A+ rating) shows that only 77% of Republicans approve of Trump after Wednesday, a sharp decline from the 90% he held before.

    5 votes
    1. [2]
      bloup
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      It's really incredible that in context, the use of "only" to describe a proportion of 77% is actually entirely reasonable.

      It's really incredible that in context, the use of "only" to describe a proportion of 77% is actually entirely reasonable.

      7 votes
      1. stu2b50
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        It would be quite impactful electorally - if even half of that trend existed for the prior election, and those who disapproved simply did not vote, Biden would have won in a absolute landslide...

        It would be quite impactful electorally - if even half of that trend existed for the prior election, and those who disapproved simply did not vote, Biden would have won in a absolute landslide with >400 electoral votes.

        Republicans are already the smallest group between Democrats and Independents, and naturally are the most ardent Trump supporters - that is quite a slide, even if there is some reversion to the mean as Wednesday fades from memory.

        3 votes
    2. 3d12
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      I totally misinterpreted. He has 89% approval among those who think the results are inaccurate. Okay, that makes more sense, and is significantly less surprising. Still, thanks for providing it....

      But yet there's still fucking 89% that believe the election results are inaccurate?? I'm kind of sad I even clicked on that link now. I totally misinterpreted. He has 89% approval among those who think the results are inaccurate. Okay, that makes more sense, and is significantly less surprising. Still, thanks for providing it. :)

      eta: From page 8 of the PDF, the actual Republican % that believe the election results are inaccurate is still 72 goddamn percent. Reading that makes my blood pressure high.

      edit2: Okay, the mental gymnastics are actually heavily on display here. Roughly 18% of Republicans support the actions at the capitol on Wed (pg 10), but they are basically evenly split, 47%-47% on whether it was criminal actions or a legitimate protest. (pg 12) For a silver lining, at least 33% of Republicans believe the police were being "not aggressive enough" towards the insurrectionists. (pg 13) And yet, 17% of Republicans believe the insurrectionists should not be prosecuted?? (pg 14) I mean, at least the first and last numbers line up, but how do you make sense of such conflicting beliefs?

      edit3: Nevermind, I just found it... It seems the numbers are even betweeen Dem and Rep on "When thinking about the issues that divide the nation, do you think this is a serious threat to the future of our democracy?" Dem 86% yes Rep 85% yes (pg 18). BUT, the very next page, "When thinking about the issues that divide the nation, do you think our democracy is likely to survive?" Dem 85% yes, Rep 63% yes. 85%-63% = 12%, I think these are the Republicans who think that:
      a) Democrats have stolen the election
      b) The actions taken by the insurrectionists were justified
      c) If they cannot overthrow the government, the government will be controlled by a shadow entity and they will never have representation again (what they perceive as the literal end of democracy)

      But that's just my theory. Anyway, I need to step away from this doc for a bit.

      2 votes
  15. [2]
    cfabbro
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    Goldman, JPMorgan, Citi Suspend Political Donations

    Goldman, JPMorgan, Citi Suspend Political Donations

    Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Citigroup Inc. and JPMorgan Chase & Co. plan to pause all political contributions, joining a growing list of companies changing or reviewing their donation policies in the aftermath of riots at the Capitol in the past week.

    Goldman is still formulating its measures that will probably curtail future political giving to the elected leaders who fought to overturn the 2020 result. A representative for the firm confirmed the plan. JPMorgan, the largest U.S. bank by assets, said it’s planning a six-month suspension to both Republicans and Democrats. Citigroup said it intends to temporarily stop all political contributions in the current quarter.

    “We want you to be assured that we will not support candidates who do not respect the rule of law,” Candi Wolff, Citi’s head of global government affairs, said in a memo to employees.

    The action from the banks followed an earlier announcement from Marriott International Inc., which said it will suspend donations to Republican senators who voted against certifying President-elect Joe Biden, after considering the “destructive events” on Wednesday.

    Marriott’s decision was first reported by Popular Information, a political newsletter that surveyed 144 corporate donors about their future donation plans to the eight GOP senators who objected to election certification.

    Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, a network of insurers, and Commerce Bank owner Commerce Bancshares Inc. also told Popular Information that they are suspending all support to lawmakers who challenged the Electoral College results.

    Stopping short of vowing to suspend donations, Bank of America Corp., Ford Motor Co. and AT&T Inc. said they will take recent events into consideration before any future donations. CVS Health Corp., Exxon Mobil Corp., Wells Fargo & Co. and some other donors said they are reviewing their policies on political giving.

    4 votes
    1. Amarok
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      I wasn't expecting a corporate backlash, surprised and happy to see one. That's some serious pressure.

      I wasn't expecting a corporate backlash, surprised and happy to see one. That's some serious pressure.

      4 votes
  16. cfabbro
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    In blow to Trump, golf’s PGA strips major championship from Trump-owned course

    In blow to Trump, golf’s PGA strips major championship from Trump-owned course

    "The PGA of America Board of Directors voted tonight to exercise the right to terminate the agreement to play the 2022 PGA Championship at Trump Bedminster," said Jim Richerson, PGA of America president, in a statement.

    Holding the tournament at Trump Bedminster, Richerson said, would be "detrimental" to the PGA of America's brand and put the organization's ability to function "at risk."

    As of Sunday, the 2022 PGA Championship was the only upcoming tournament listed on the Trump Organization's website, so the PGA of America's decision appears to sever his last remaining ties to the golfing establishment, effectively exiling him and his courses from the prestigious and lucrative world of professional golf.

    The United States Golf Association, which conducts the U.S. Open, and the Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St. Andrews, which conducts the British Open, have not announced any plans to host future events at Trump-owned courses.

    3 votes
  17. [23]
    bloup
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    Is anyone else worried we are headed for de facto one party state (controlled by the Democrats, pushed even further to the right by welcoming anti-Trump refugees of the GOP) where the primary...

    Is anyone else worried we are headed for de facto one party state (controlled by the Democrats, pushed even further to the right by welcoming anti-Trump refugees of the GOP) where the primary organized opposition is literal fascists?

    11 votes
    1. [2]
      spit-evil-olive-tips
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      Short answer: I'm not worried about one-party government, I'm worried about the continuation of our two-party government being completely ineffective and unable to do anything meaningful. Long...

      Short answer: I'm not worried about one-party government, I'm worried about the continuation of our two-party government being completely ineffective and unable to do anything meaningful.

      Long answer:

      Democrats will only barely have a Senate majority. It's a 50-50 tie which means that VP Harris will be casting the tie-breaker on essentially every vote. They can't afford to lose a single Democratic vote which means the most conservative Democrat (Joe Manchin from West Virginia) has effective veto power over anything the Democrats would like to pass.

      And all of this is just to get to 51 votes, which isn't enough to pass major legislation because of the filibuster. Democrats will be able to confirm Cabinet appointees and judges, and pass continuing resolutions to fund the government. And...that's about it. Any non-budget legislation requires 60 votes to override a filibuster, and there's zero chance that 10 Republican Senators will vote to allow Biden to have a major legislative accomplishment.

      Because the rules of Congress make zero sense, it takes 60 votes to override a filibuster on any one particular bill, but it would only take 51 votes to end the filibuster entirely. That means it could be done by the 51 Democrats, but Joe Manchin has signaled he's opposed to that.

      Even if a miracle happens and Manchin is convinced to end the filibuster...you're back in the realm of not being able to lose a single Democratic vote. Want to pass climate change legislation? Manchin would have a veto. Infamously, the Affordable Care Act didn't have a public option because of Joe Lieberman, who was the Manchin-esque conservative Democrat of that era. Back then, Democrats did have a 60-vote Senate majority, but losing Lieberman's vote by including a public option would have cut that to 59 votes. And again, because the rules of Congress make zero sense, you can't pass major legislation if you "only" have a 59-to-41 majority.

      Also, all of this is only possible because Democrats won both runoff elections in Georgia. It's easy to imagine a parallel universe where one or both of those seats was lost. If that had happened, we'd be facing a Biden administration where zero federal judges were appointed, where Cabinet appointments could be vetoed by Republicans, and where continuing resolutions to fund the government required at least one Republican vote, leading to increased likelihood of government shutdowns because Republicans have no incentive for the government to run smoothly or efficiently.

      Long-term, none of this is going to get better, it's only going to get worse. By 2040, 70% of Americans are going to live in the 15 largest states. That means 70% of the population are represented by 30 Senators, and 30% of the population is represented by 70 Senators. Over the next 10-20 years it's going to become increasingly less likely for Democrats to even have a 50-seat-plus-VP "majority" in the Senate.

      17 votes
      1. Amarok
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        We've gone back and forth on this stuff but I have to say, I completely agree this is a possibility and also seems to be our chief risk going forward. That's why I'm so keen to keep the pressure...

        We've gone back and forth on this stuff but I have to say, I completely agree this is a possibility and also seems to be our chief risk going forward. That's why I'm so keen to keep the pressure up on congress, and get the media covering them like they haven't covered them in ages. Put them in the spotlight, and hope that pressure is enough to get them to work as a unit, at least until this mess is over.

        2 votes
    2. [5]
      Amarok
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      I'm a bit worried that people still think this is all about Trump. Every scrap of coverage out there has his name all over it. That always has been his superpower. Even now, he has every single...

      I'm a bit worried that people still think this is all about Trump. Every scrap of coverage out there has his name all over it. That always has been his superpower. Even now, he has every single idiot out there hypnotized. The news networks really are chumps, aren't they?

      Forget Trump exists. He's out of here one way or another, and when he's gone, it's not going to get better.

      We need to impress on our senators and representatives and on Joe's cabinet that they need to get their shit together and get moving. This upcoming legislative session will determine the fate of this country. These will be the most important 100 days of any Presidency in living memory.

      If you've got issues with representatives and protesters and Trump's GPS coordinates after he's out, let the bureau sort it out. That's their job, and they are good at it. Keep the pressure on congress. I want to see those live view numbers skyrocketing on those sessions. I want them to know that when they rise, they are under a microscope. Make them sweat bullets and choose every single word carefully.

      12 votes
      1. [4]
        skybrian
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        I can’t tell if you want Trump to have more or less attention.

        I can’t tell if you want Trump to have more or less attention.

        3 votes
        1. [3]
          Amarok
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          What I want, is for all of the attention we're focusing on Trump right now to transition directly to congress once Trump is out of the picture. All the news networks are panicking about the loss...

          What I want, is for all of the attention we're focusing on Trump right now to transition directly to congress once Trump is out of the picture. All the news networks are panicking about the loss of Trump ratings. I suggest CSPAN, and lots of coverage of what's discussed there.

          7 votes
          1. [2]
            bloup
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            Do you consider my original comment to be "focused on Trump"? The only time I mentioned his name was to give a reference point to the philosophical rift that is forming within the GOP.

            Do you consider my original comment to be "focused on Trump"? The only time I mentioned his name was to give a reference point to the philosophical rift that is forming within the GOP.

            4 votes
            1. Amarok
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              Not at all. I just thought since you shared what was worrying you, I'd share what's been worrying me so we could commiserate. :P

              Not at all. I just thought since you shared what was worrying you, I'd share what's been worrying me so we could commiserate. :P

              7 votes
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      1. [5]
        bloup
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        You can have a one party state where other parties are allowed to exist. That's why I said "de facto" one party state, as opposed to "de jure" one party state, where there legally cannot exist any...

        You can have a one party state where other parties are allowed to exist. That's why I said "de facto" one party state, as opposed to "de jure" one party state, where there legally cannot exist any kind of opposition party.

        4 votes
        1. [5]
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          1. [4]
            bloup
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            Yeah, and I am saying that the GOP is on the verge of fracturing, and that I think that the most likely outcome of that is a bunch of Republicans joining the Democratic Party, pushing the party...

            Yeah, and I am saying that the GOP is on the verge of fracturing, and that I think that the most likely outcome of that is a bunch of Republicans joining the Democratic Party, pushing the party further to the right, and making it impossible for the actual GOP to win basically any elections at all, at least at the national level. Creating a de facto one party state controlled by the democrats where the primary organized opposition is literal fascists.

            2 votes
            1. streblo
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              Parties adapt to win elections. I don't think you need to worry about this. Longterm if the crazies split with GOP and they don't think they can win with them in the party, GOP will walk towards...

              Parties adapt to win elections. I don't think you need to worry about this.

              Longterm if the crazies split with GOP and they don't think they can win with them in the party, GOP will walk towards the middle and chew into D voters. Ds will walk left.

              6 votes
            2. [2]
              skybrian
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              There can still be plenty of within-party dissent and it would increase without strong opposition. Also, it seems likely that another party would form eventually. (The Republican Party started...

              There can still be plenty of within-party dissent and it would increase without strong opposition. Also, it seems likely that another party would form eventually. (The Republican Party started after the Whigs imploded.)

              For the moment, the Democrats will have very thin majorities in both House and Senate, and some defections might give them a somewhat stronger one, but not overwhelming.

              2 votes
              1. bloup
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                Just so it's clear, I don't think that a one party state is necessarily something that should be avoided at all costs, or that it can't function in the interests of the people. For starters, I've...

                Just so it's clear, I don't think that a one party state is necessarily something that should be avoided at all costs, or that it can't function in the interests of the people. For starters, I've tried to think about what the difference between a "no-party" state and a "one-party" state would be, and I can't come up with any good answers, which makes me think the line between party and government is ultimately kind of an arbitrary one, anyway.

                I also regret writing that I think this is the "most likely" outcome. It's really more like I think it's probable enough that I think people should be really giving it more thought.

                3 votes
    4. spctrvl
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      I feel like that's where we've been for quite a while already, just with the opposition periodically in power. While it's only recently-ish that they've started to embrace actual fascism, the GOP...

      I feel like that's where we've been for quite a while already, just with the opposition periodically in power. While it's only recently-ish that they've started to embrace actual fascism, the GOP has been the biggest extant threat to American democracy for a long time, and the Democratic party has for years struggled to build a coherent platform around having to contain the full spectrum of democracy-compatible political beliefs, as an effective monopoly on national level small-d democratic politics.

      7 votes
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      tindall
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      Intensely. Especially since the PSL has decided that it's time to implode.

      Intensely. Especially since the PSL has decided that it's time to implode.

      2 votes
      1. [4]
        bloup
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        Could you give me the deets on that? I haven't heard anything.

        Could you give me the deets on that? I haven't heard anything.

        3 votes
        1. [3]
          tindall
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          There were a couple of prominent PSL Chicago members who were accused of sexual assault and the rest of the chapter kinda closed ranks around them. GLR says the party is working to solve the...

          There were a couple of prominent PSL Chicago members who were accused of sexual assault and the rest of the chapter kinda closed ranks around them. GLR says the party is working to solve the problem but it's a very bad look.

          3 votes
          1. [2]
            skybrian
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            Could you expand the acronyms, please? I’m drawing a blank.

            Could you expand the acronyms, please? I’m drawing a blank.

            3 votes
            1. tindall
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              PSL is the Party for Socialism and Liberation; GLR is their main presidential candidate and, I think, current party head, Gloria la Riva. Sorry :)

              PSL is the Party for Socialism and Liberation; GLR is their main presidential candidate and, I think, current party head, Gloria la Riva. Sorry :)

              5 votes
      2. [2]
        stu2b50
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        I don't think that changes anything w.r.g to political power and party control in the US considering the PSL gets around 0.05% of the vote when they're on the ballot.

        I don't think that changes anything w.r.g to political power and party control in the US considering the PSL gets around 0.05% of the vote when they're on the ballot.

        2 votes
        1. tindall
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          I was coming at this from the perspective of major changes to the US two-party system in which the Dems slide hard right and the republicans implode. The DSA could possibly fill that power vacuum,...

          I was coming at this from the perspective of major changes to the US two-party system in which the Dems slide hard right and the republicans implode. The DSA could possibly fill that power vacuum, too.

          2 votes
    6. stu2b50
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      If that were to happen, while in the long term bad in the sense of placing de facto power in an unrelated, 3rd party organization, having the Democrat primaries effectively be where effective...

      If that were to happen, while in the long term bad in the sense of placing de facto power in an unrelated, 3rd party organization, having the Democrat primaries effectively be where effective democratic power is vested honestly sounds like a more effective form of governance than what I think is the more likely outcome, namely that that it's a two-party state where one of the parties is controlled by fascists and is competitive.

      2 votes
    7. Kuromantis
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      Somewhat, particularly if more senators and house reps right-shift their economic policies to acomodate them, making the party an even bigger tent and making proper progressive change even more...

      Somewhat, particularly if more senators and house reps right-shift their economic policies to acomodate them, making the party an even bigger tent and making proper progressive change even more distant, but given they'll have to share the tent with progressives, not very badly.