We are going to have to learn again exactly why privacy and due process is so, so important. If you're in America and you can, make sure to have a passport and some cash ready in case you need to...
We are going to have to learn again exactly why privacy and due process is so, so important. If you're in America and you can, make sure to have a passport and some cash ready in case you need to flee.
I really hope that what I've written down is an overreaction but somehow I doubt it.
It bothers me because if this was done under a different president for supposedly different reasons so many of the people who are going to rail against this would be 100% on board and claim that...
It bothers me because if this was done under a different president for supposedly different reasons so many of the people who are going to rail against this would be 100% on board and claim that it's needed.
Privacy needs to be assumed because you don't know who's going to get the keys down the road. You can't just be for people snooping through your shit if they've got the letter for their party.
And it bothers me for exactly the opposite reason, that the people who are going to be 100% on board and claim it's needed today, are exactly the people who would be railing against this if...
It bothers me because if this was done under a different president for supposedly different reasons so many of the people who are going to rail against this would be 100% on board and claim that it's needed.
And it bothers me for exactly the opposite reason, that the people who are going to be 100% on board and claim it's needed today, are exactly the people who would be railing against this if another president did this for supposedly different reasons.
Privacy needs to be assumed because you don't know who's going to get the keys down the road. You can't just be for people snooping through your shit if they've got the letter for their party.
I'm in complete agreement, but the party which is usually associated with a hard-line stance on personal liberties and absolute privacy (often stretching this idea to apply to governmental oversight of any sort in order to prevent regulation) is precisely the party which is currently in charge and apparently wants a big brother state.
This is why a lot of us were really angry at The Patriot Act, which was an enormous power grab that wasn't even necessary to have stopped 9/11. Also not happy about Obama's drone strikes and...
This is why a lot of us were really angry at The Patriot Act, which was an enormous power grab that wasn't even necessary to have stopped 9/11.
Also not happy about Obama's drone strikes and countless more things I can't recall offhand.
This has just not been true over my life. I'm well aware of the republicans being hypocrites but a ton of privacy was lost for the sake of supposed safety and regulations. The dems are just as...
I'm in complete agreement, but the party which is usually associated with a hard-line stance on personal liberties and absolute privacy (often stretching this idea to apply to governmental oversight of any sort in order to prevent regulation) is precisely the party which is currently in charge and apparently wants a big brother state.
This has just not been true over my life. I'm well aware of the republicans being hypocrites but a ton of privacy was lost for the sake of supposed safety and regulations. The dems are just as willing to pass laws, cash checks, and allow things though that are objectively awful practices. This is 100% a both sides issue because they both gladly take donations from the lunatics pushing this nonsense and the average consumer still hasn't learned the hard way just how dangerous this is.
Yes, everyone is in the pocket of capitalism and subject to donations changing their vote. But to claim the two parties are the same in how they approach this issue ignores platform and messaging....
The dems are just as willing to pass laws, cash checks, and allow things though that are objectively awful practices. This is 100% a both sides issue because they both gladly take donations from the lunatics pushing this nonsense and the average consumer still hasn't learned the hard way just how dangerous this is.
Yes, everyone is in the pocket of capitalism and subject to donations changing their vote. But to claim the two parties are the same in how they approach this issue ignores platform and messaging. It also ignores that there is a significant difference between selling out specific kinds of privacy to a wholesale invasion like this. But all in all I agree with you that both parties have been terrible on privacy issues... this is just a huge escalation of what they've been collecting (or at least, publicly declaring they are collecting).
This is why it would have been very unlikely to happen under another president. I'd argue that Trump is a black swan event. And yet I agree completely. Never make even a benevolent tyrant for wise...
This is why it would have been very unlikely to happen under another president. I'd argue that Trump is a black swan event.
And yet I agree completely. Never make even a benevolent tyrant for wise fear of what kind of tyrant will succeed them.
I feel like I've said and read this a lot but: The speed of our descent is breath-taking. In 2016-2020 there was the common refrain of "It's a good thing Trump doesn't know how to hire anyone...
I feel like I've said and read this a lot but: The speed of our descent is breath-taking.
In 2016-2020 there was the common refrain of "It's a good thing Trump doesn't know how to hire anyone competent in his administration or else we'd be in serious trouble" but now the evil competence is on full display. The thoughtful planning, funding and execution of P2025 would be admirable if it weren't so evil and destructive to our country and the people in it.
It's hard to know what to do, how to prepare, how to live our lives as we fall ever deeper into whatever term you want to use: Facism, dystopia, collapse...there are so many more. I am curious when the breaking point will be for most people and when we will see protests in the hundreds of thousands or millions, and then what the inevitable response/crackdown is to the unrest.
Did 1930s Germany ever hit that breaking point? Serious question, my history isn’t especially strong, but my understanding is that more often than not fascism hasn’t fallen to internal pressure.
Did 1930s Germany ever hit that breaking point? Serious question, my history isn’t especially strong, but my understanding is that more often than not fascism hasn’t fallen to internal pressure.
Mussolini was overthrown and executed by an internal partisan movement during WW2. Obviously the allies were a huge factor in that happening, but civil wars never happen in vacuums anyway.
Mussolini was overthrown and executed by an internal partisan movement during WW2. Obviously the allies were a huge factor in that happening, but civil wars never happen in vacuums anyway.
Such significant numbers, no not really. However: There were 42 attempts on Hitler's life. The Iron Front mainly in the 1920's. General German resistance to Nazism. This article is extremely long...
General German resistance to Nazism. This article is extremely long so that should say something. The NSDAP was highly effective in suppressing everything though.
Nope. Of course, there was some dissidents, but overall the country had his back up until his death. But it's important not to over project into history. Germany, at that point, had had a...
Nope. Of course, there was some dissidents, but overall the country had his back up until his death.
But it's important not to over project into history. Germany, at that point, had had a democratic tradition for... all of 15 years. It had never been a "democracy" before that. Is it any surprise that people did not particularly care about "democracy" eroding?
Democracy, which was imposed on them by foreign powers, and was spearheaded by its rivals in France, the UK, and the US?
Germany had a kaiser for the vast majority such a thing existed, and before then, a collection of princes ostensibly under the suzerainty of the Hapsburgs.
No, although a significant factor in the lack of organized uprising is that there was no alternative party or leadership to rally behind. The first world war destabilized the country so much it...
No, although a significant factor in the lack of organized uprising is that there was no alternative party or leadership to rally behind. The first world war destabilized the country so much it was still recovering by the time Hitler took power. They even put him in prison, but that didn't stop him. After banning other parties and open protest it became difficult to speak out.
That's not to say there wasn't any dissidence or protests, just insignificant and insufficient. It turned into resistance but even that group wasn't recognized as meaningful since it was so small.
Then after you grab power you sluice boatloads of hidden money through Mefo-bills, boom the economy, and roll over a couple of countries in a matter of seconds you have the populace cheering you on like never before. There's nothing more popular than winning an easy war. Russia recently tried the same and they're getting railed because Ukraine quagmired them, but early support was high.
But nazi Germany is an extreme example. It happened at a time the country was reeling from war at a never before seen scale, rattled and outraged by the Treaty of Versailles it wasn't difficult for someone to rally the people behind a cause that would see them slip the noose slung over their necks by the Great Powers and the -according to them- Jews.
People are like “Trump et al are so stupid the way they are crashing the economy!” as if crashing the economy isn’t the part of the plan that keeps people at work instead of in the streets
People are like “Trump et al are so stupid the way they are crashing the economy!” as if crashing the economy isn’t the part of the plan that keeps people at work instead of in the streets
I think this take has it backwards. If the economy crashes, people will be out of work, and that makes it a lot more likely for a mass movement to happen. As long as people can put food on the...
I think this take has it backwards. If the economy crashes, people will be out of work, and that makes it a lot more likely for a mass movement to happen. As long as people can put food on the table it is a lot harder to get them to care. That's why Trump keeps chickening out every time it looks like he's gonna crash the economy.
I had to pause and shift because I thought this was The Onion and they meant the actual LotR palantir and I'm having mental whiplash. Also this sounds bad and I don't like it but I need to reread.
I had to pause and shift because I thought this was The Onion and they meant the actual LotR palantir and I'm having mental whiplash.
Also this sounds bad and I don't like it but I need to reread.
It is bad. It's really, really bad. The next things to watch out for will be some kind of funding being created for 'detaining complexes' or something the like. One database, no due process is...
It is bad. It's really, really bad. The next things to watch out for will be some kind of funding being created for 'detaining complexes' or something the like.
One database, no due process is enough for them. God fucking damnit.
Yeah it took like what two weeks to go from "we are making a database of everyone with autism" to just everyone, Christ. This is a horror show. Every time I see Palantir I'm like, you know what...
Yeah it took like what two weeks to go from "we are making a database of everyone with autism" to just everyone, Christ. This is a horror show.
Every time I see Palantir I'm like, you know what you're referencing, right? Apparently yes, and it was meant as an aspiration.
There’s a startup for home security systems for the very wealthy. They install “AI” cameras and monitor for nefarious activities. It’s called Sauron. Someone needs to send them the “Are we the...
There’s a startup for home security systems for the very wealthy. They install “AI” cameras and monitor for nefarious activities. It’s called Sauron. Someone needs to send them the “Are we the baddies?” video.
Yeah as a big LotR nerd myself, it always pisses me off to hear about Palantir or Anduril corporations. Keep your fascist hands off my story about hope and sacrifice.
Yeah as a big LotR nerd myself, it always pisses me off to hear about Palantir or Anduril corporations. Keep your fascist hands off my story about hope and sacrifice.
I am a US citizen currently residing in Europe (France). It would be interesting to send a GDPR right to be forgotten request to Palantir. Wikipedia says they do have some small business...
I am a US citizen currently residing in Europe (France). It would be interesting to send a GDPR right to be forgotten request to Palantir. Wikipedia says they do have some small business agreements with EU countries, so presumably the EU can leverage some small amount of leverage and jurisdiction. Do you think they would honor or even acknowledge it?
Also California has the CCPA, which includes some ability to request companies delete your data. Not sure if it applies to Palantir though. Could be an interesting case for the ACLU to take up.
Good question. If Palantir wishes to do business in the EU they have to honor it but I can easily see a Trump-backed Palantir scoffing and ignoring not just the request, the fines too; allies to...
Good question. If Palantir wishes to do business in the EU they have to honor it but I can easily see a Trump-backed Palantir scoffing and ignoring not just the request, the fines too; allies to the US are just names on a piece of paper anyway. Or their response could be purely performative without anyone knowing.
We are going to have to learn again exactly why privacy and due process is so, so important. If you're in America and you can, make sure to have a passport and some cash ready in case you need to flee.
I really hope that what I've written down is an overreaction but somehow I doubt it.
It bothers me because if this was done under a different president for supposedly different reasons so many of the people who are going to rail against this would be 100% on board and claim that it's needed.
Privacy needs to be assumed because you don't know who's going to get the keys down the road. You can't just be for people snooping through your shit if they've got the letter for their party.
And it bothers me for exactly the opposite reason, that the people who are going to be 100% on board and claim it's needed today, are exactly the people who would be railing against this if another president did this for supposedly different reasons.
I'm in complete agreement, but the party which is usually associated with a hard-line stance on personal liberties and absolute privacy (often stretching this idea to apply to governmental oversight of any sort in order to prevent regulation) is precisely the party which is currently in charge and apparently wants a big brother state.
This is why a lot of us were really angry at The Patriot Act, which was an enormous power grab that wasn't even necessary to have stopped 9/11.
Also not happy about Obama's drone strikes and countless more things I can't recall offhand.
This has just not been true over my life. I'm well aware of the republicans being hypocrites but a ton of privacy was lost for the sake of supposed safety and regulations. The dems are just as willing to pass laws, cash checks, and allow things though that are objectively awful practices. This is 100% a both sides issue because they both gladly take donations from the lunatics pushing this nonsense and the average consumer still hasn't learned the hard way just how dangerous this is.
Yes, everyone is in the pocket of capitalism and subject to donations changing their vote. But to claim the two parties are the same in how they approach this issue ignores platform and messaging. It also ignores that there is a significant difference between selling out specific kinds of privacy to a wholesale invasion like this. But all in all I agree with you that both parties have been terrible on privacy issues... this is just a huge escalation of what they've been collecting (or at least, publicly declaring they are collecting).
This is why it would have been very unlikely to happen under another president. I'd argue that Trump is a black swan event.
And yet I agree completely. Never make even a benevolent tyrant for wise fear of what kind of tyrant will succeed them.
I feel like I've said and read this a lot but: The speed of our descent is breath-taking.
In 2016-2020 there was the common refrain of "It's a good thing Trump doesn't know how to hire anyone competent in his administration or else we'd be in serious trouble" but now the evil competence is on full display. The thoughtful planning, funding and execution of P2025 would be admirable if it weren't so evil and destructive to our country and the people in it.
It's hard to know what to do, how to prepare, how to live our lives as we fall ever deeper into whatever term you want to use: Facism, dystopia, collapse...there are so many more. I am curious when the breaking point will be for most people and when we will see protests in the hundreds of thousands or millions, and then what the inevitable response/crackdown is to the unrest.
We have already seen peaceful protests in the millions. They do not care. Fascism only speaks in the language of violence.
Did 1930s Germany ever hit that breaking point? Serious question, my history isn’t especially strong, but my understanding is that more often than not fascism hasn’t fallen to internal pressure.
Mussolini was overthrown and executed by an internal partisan movement during WW2. Obviously the allies were a huge factor in that happening, but civil wars never happen in vacuums anyway.
Such significant numbers, no not really. However:
There were 42 attempts on Hitler's life.
The Iron Front mainly in the 1920's.
General German resistance to Nazism. This article is extremely long so that should say something. The NSDAP was highly effective in suppressing everything though.
Nope. Of course, there was some dissidents, but overall the country had his back up until his death.
But it's important not to over project into history. Germany, at that point, had had a democratic tradition for... all of 15 years. It had never been a "democracy" before that. Is it any surprise that people did not particularly care about "democracy" eroding?
Democracy, which was imposed on them by foreign powers, and was spearheaded by its rivals in France, the UK, and the US?
Germany had a kaiser for the vast majority such a thing existed, and before then, a collection of princes ostensibly under the suzerainty of the Hapsburgs.
No, although a significant factor in the lack of organized uprising is that there was no alternative party or leadership to rally behind. The first world war destabilized the country so much it was still recovering by the time Hitler took power. They even put him in prison, but that didn't stop him. After banning other parties and open protest it became difficult to speak out.
That's not to say there wasn't any dissidence or protests, just insignificant and insufficient. It turned into resistance but even that group wasn't recognized as meaningful since it was so small.
Then after you grab power you sluice boatloads of hidden money through Mefo-bills, boom the economy, and roll over a couple of countries in a matter of seconds you have the populace cheering you on like never before. There's nothing more popular than winning an easy war. Russia recently tried the same and they're getting railed because Ukraine quagmired them, but early support was high.
But nazi Germany is an extreme example. It happened at a time the country was reeling from war at a never before seen scale, rattled and outraged by the Treaty of Versailles it wasn't difficult for someone to rally the people behind a cause that would see them slip the noose slung over their necks by the Great Powers and the -according to them- Jews.
People are like “Trump et al are so stupid the way they are crashing the economy!” as if crashing the economy isn’t the part of the plan that keeps people at work instead of in the streets
I think this take has it backwards. If the economy crashes, people will be out of work, and that makes it a lot more likely for a mass movement to happen. As long as people can put food on the table it is a lot harder to get them to care. That's why Trump keeps chickening out every time it looks like he's gonna crash the economy.
I had to pause and shift because I thought this was The Onion and they meant the actual LotR palantir and I'm having mental whiplash.
Also this sounds bad and I don't like it but I need to reread.
It is bad. It's really, really bad. The next things to watch out for will be some kind of funding being created for 'detaining complexes' or something the like.
One database, no due process is enough for them. God fucking damnit.
Yeah it took like what two weeks to go from "we are making a database of everyone with autism" to just everyone, Christ. This is a horror show.
Every time I see Palantir I'm like, you know what you're referencing, right? Apparently yes, and it was meant as an aspiration.
There’s a startup for home security systems for the very wealthy. They install “AI” cameras and monitor for nefarious activities. It’s called Sauron. Someone needs to send them the “Are we the baddies?” video.
At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus!
Yeah as a big LotR nerd myself, it always pisses me off to hear about Palantir or Anduril corporations. Keep your fascist hands off my story about hope and sacrifice.
From an author who told the Nazis he wished he were Jewish and no they can't print his book
I am a US citizen currently residing in Europe (France). It would be interesting to send a GDPR right to be forgotten request to Palantir. Wikipedia says they do have some small business agreements with EU countries, so presumably the EU can leverage some small amount of leverage and jurisdiction. Do you think they would honor or even acknowledge it?
Also California has the CCPA, which includes some ability to request companies delete your data. Not sure if it applies to Palantir though. Could be an interesting case for the ACLU to take up.
Good question. If Palantir wishes to do business in the EU they have to honor it but I can easily see a Trump-backed Palantir scoffing and ignoring not just the request, the fines too; allies to the US are just names on a piece of paper anyway. Or their response could be purely performative without anyone knowing.
You could try. You have nothing to lose.