Not validating this idea, but anecdotally ... I regularly fast for a few days at a time, usually 3-7 days ... and after I start eating again, I am generally lactose intolerant for a week or two,...
Not validating this idea, but anecdotally ... I regularly fast for a few days at a time, usually 3-7 days ... and after I start eating again, I am generally lactose intolerant for a week or two, until my intestines remember how to digest the stuff.
OP creates a cure* for lactose intelorance through the scientific application of straight up chugging it. And by it, I mean heavily concentrated powdered milk. *Using the term cure here with an...
OP creates a cure* for lactose intelorance through the scientific application of straight up chugging it. And by it, I mean heavily concentrated powdered milk.
*Using the term cure here with an artistic license. It may work for some, it might not for others.
I can handle small amounts of lactose in cheese and yogurt (that I make myself so I can hella strain it) but actual liquid milk still makes me vomit. The rest of dairy products just come out the...
I can handle small amounts of lactose in cheese and yogurt (that I make myself so I can hella strain it) but actual liquid milk still makes me vomit. The rest of dairy products just come out the uhh. other chute.
I've avoided clicking this video on my feed for awhile because I expected it to literally be milk chugging, like the scene in Anchorman which still makes me gag. So I'm quite relieved to hear it's just milk powder but still. Hrchhh.
That being said, I'm fine with my lactose intolerance. I'm genuinely curious why in North America is it considered a thing that needs to be cured? I know one reasoning is because some medicines contain lactose and that can be problematic for lactose intolerant patients, which is understandable. But all too often, when I tell people I'm quite heavily lactose intolerant, they start telling me about their lactose intolerant cousin who takes lactaid and how I'm missing out on so much. So I guess I get the vibe that it's a FOMO thing or a desire to not be seen as different?
Lactaid isn’t a cure for lactose, it’s just a series of products with the lactase enzyme as a supplement. The US has a big dairy culture. If you’re heavily lactose intolerant, you’ll be unable to...
Lactaid isn’t a cure for lactose, it’s just a series of products with the lactase enzyme as a supplement.
The US has a big dairy culture. If you’re heavily lactose intolerant, you’ll be unable to eat many common foods and deserts. Many people consider drinking milk to be a serious ritual. For most cases of lactose intolerance, eating the milk product with a lactase enzyme supplement is an easy and cheap fix.
It's mostly propaganda, if we're honest, but it has worked. I grew up during the "Got milk?" advertising campaign blitz, along with the Real California Cheese campaign about Great Cheese comes...
It's mostly propaganda, if we're honest, but it has worked. I grew up during the "Got milk?" advertising campaign blitz, along with the Real California Cheese campaign about Great Cheese comes from Happy Cows, Happy Cows come from California (what a joke that is.)
I do recall the Got Milk stuff and also all the calcium stuff. Teachers would tell me I'll have brittle bones or break my arm more easily if I didn't drink my milk but I was like "but it makes me...
I do recall the Got Milk stuff and also all the calcium stuff. Teachers would tell me I'll have brittle bones or break my arm more easily if I didn't drink my milk but I was like "but it makes me feel sick... I don't want to drink it"
Meanwhile, I've gone nearly 40 years without drinking milk and have yet to break a bone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Of course, having said that, I'll likely break something shoveling snow this weekend...
I once did a slip and slide on some ground ice that looked like it had snow pack on top of it. I landed on my backside hard enough that I was sure I'd broken something, but it was just a bruised...
I once did a slip and slide on some ground ice that looked like it had snow pack on top of it. I landed on my backside hard enough that I was sure I'd broken something, but it was just a bruised butt cheek and a shattered ego. Be safe out there!
Yeah, I'm realizing now reading the other comments that people can develop it post-adolescence which honestly was news to me - I thought it only went away or got worse in adolescence and was...
Yeah, I'm realizing now reading the other comments that people can develop it post-adolescence which honestly was news to me - I thought it only went away or got worse in adolescence and was unaware it could be acquired later in life. I know I would be looking for a way to fix things if I was suddenly intolerant to beans or potatoes (my two favourite foods)
Many people consider drinking milk to be a serious ritual.
My figure skating coach recently told me that she drinks half a litre of milk every night before bed which was in the back of my mind when writing my original comment. Just one of those things that is difficult for me to comprehend, I suppose.
Pretty much everyone with lactose intolerance grows into it. It would be pretty bad to be lactose intolerant as a baby when your diet is entirely milk. Some people get early enough they won’t...
Pretty much everyone with lactose intolerance grows into it. It would be pretty bad to be lactose intolerant as a baby when your diet is entirely milk.
Some people get early enough they won’t remember a time when they could consume dairy, but it’s usually ages 10-20.
Since it’s more about, uh, gastronomic discomfort whether or not you like the taste of milk/icecream/etc is fairly disconnected from the lactase intolerance even if you do develop it early.
I developed lactose intolerance post-adolescence, and as an American who makes a concerted effort to seed my gut biome with lactase-producers, I guess I'm qualified to explain. Cheese is...
I developed lactose intolerance post-adolescence, and as an American who makes a concerted effort to seed my gut biome with lactase-producers, I guess I'm qualified to explain.
Cheese is everywhere here. It's on every sandwich, it's added to vegetables, we put it on our fruit pies, and it's probably the only food staple that people will eat by itself. Milk is also commonly incorporated into recipes that traditionally lack it for added texture and sweetness. Living without lactase means a lot of vigilance in restaurants, not to mention home cooked meals. It's not some awful burden, and if I didn't really enjoy young cheeses I'd just deal with it, but it's a pain in the ass that every second item on a menu will include lactose without notice.
That's a good point, I don't eat out very often and when I do, I'm not regularly checking for lactose beyond just skipping cheese and sweet stuff. Mine isn't severe enough for small amounts to...
That's a good point, I don't eat out very often and when I do, I'm not regularly checking for lactose beyond just skipping cheese and sweet stuff. Mine isn't severe enough for small amounts to tear me up so maybe I've just always been lucky or assumed it was something else causing me some gastrointestinal distress. My wife is also lactose intolerant so we don't have problems at home either usually (except on the rare occasion we want to make ice cream, typically in the middle of winter for whatever reason).
I guess avoiding lactose stuff has just become so natural to me that I don't see why people put it in everything, other than it just being a part of the culture. I do get irrationally angry at seeing Asian cuisines recently adding cheese to everything though. I went out for Korean BBQ with friends that I was visiting in LA once and there was just a huge tray of melted bubbling cheese and corn in front of me the entire night. Was really rather disgusting to me but at least the rest was non-cheese lol
It's not that I need it to be cured, it's that I'm going to eat dairy regardless so the less I suffer the better. I don't drink or use regular milk anymore but do drink Fairlife or equivalent...
It's not that I need it to be cured, it's that I'm going to eat dairy regardless so the less I suffer the better.
I don't drink or use regular milk anymore but do drink Fairlife or equivalent which is lactose free. (And not sweet). They got rid of my favorite plant based substitute (Silk Next Milk was a chemical wonder) and sometimes I want cereal. Plus cheese is basically my go to snack and I don't like limiting myself to lactose free options.
I've pretty successfully maintained my level of intolerance and not had it get worse like my mom's side of the family usually does (they're Sardinian mostly) but I may have just gotten the milder version of it handed down.
Like the others say, it's largely just how prevalent milk is in American cooking. Along with cheese, it's also found in a lot of desserts like cakes, cookies, chocolate, ice cream, creams in...
Like the others say, it's largely just how prevalent milk is in American cooking. Along with cheese, it's also found in a lot of desserts like cakes, cookies, chocolate, ice cream, creams in general... Then there's yogurt, mashed potatoes recipes, some breads, some sauces (Alfredo is particularly common for pasta), pancakes, pastries, some soups ("cream of" anything), chowder...
Yeah, it can be surprisingly hard to avoid. And a lot of people develop it later in life, so it's less FOMO and more not wanting to give up long-time favorite foods. I'd be devastated to lose the ability to eat mac and cheese or chocolate.
Ah you hit an interesting point. I developed a fairly severe distaste for sugar at a very young age to the point I became fairly repulsed by most candy and cake things (I also have autism related...
Ah you hit an interesting point. I developed a fairly severe distaste for sugar at a very young age to the point I became fairly repulsed by most candy and cake things (I also have autism related sensory issues, especially around anything sticky so that might be part of it too?). So I naturally avoid almost everything you listed or I opt for less sweeter varieties if they're available.
Almost sounds like big dairy and big sugar have been hanging out together...
But to the credit of everybody else, I guess I just sometimes forget other people like other things lol. If I suddenly developed a bean intolerance (one of my favourite foods), I'd probably also want to fix it or at least make them tolerable again.
For me, besides really enjoying all types of dairy, what really bugs me is that it's difficult to tell just how much dairy (and what kind) is bad enough that I should be taking a pill. Liquid milk...
For me, besides really enjoying all types of dairy, what really bugs me is that it's difficult to tell just how much dairy (and what kind) is bad enough that I should be taking a pill. Liquid milk doesn't seem too bad for me outside of a bit of gas, but cheese sometimes - not all the time, sometimes! - fucks me up hard, like "curled up in a fetal position on the bathroom floor for 10 minutes trying not to pass out" hard. I liberally take lactaid pills but it's annoying when I need to take multiple a day because my meals and drinks are spread out in the day. Spontaneous latte? Thanksgiving mashed potatoes? Lassi from the Indian place (I didn't know it contained dairy the first time I had it...)? Sometimes I have to take two at a time and it just isn't clear to me when I need to do that; it's just vibes, and I dislike that.
And yeah, people who have serious allergies to certain foods have it much worse than I, but it'd be nice if we could all consume whatever the heck we wanted where the only consequence is calories/nutrients/heavens forbid, bacteria and mold and other such...
I also hate that there isn't really a good way to tell how much I need for specific things. Instead my mantra has become "you cannot overdose on lactaid". So when having some pizza or whatever,...
Sometimes I have to take two at a time and it just isn't clear to me when I need to do that; it's just vibes, and I dislike that.
I also hate that there isn't really a good way to tell how much I need for specific things. Instead my mantra has become "you cannot overdose on lactaid". So when having some pizza or whatever, every time I think of it, I just take another one.
My wife kind of fixed her lactose intolerance, but in a completely different way. We did a low carb diet for a while and while on it her lactose intolerance magically disappeared. She has since...
My wife kind of fixed her lactose intolerance, but in a completely different way. We did a low carb diet for a while and while on it her lactose intolerance magically disappeared. She has since learned that she's only lactose intolerant when also consuming white flour. We still don't know exactly why it's the case, but any time she eats too much white flour her lactose intolerance returns for a few days. Gut biomes are weird.
I did something similar here but what I did was seemingly cure a suspected (but never confirmed) A1 beta-casein intolerance, not a lactose intolerance. I did this by specifically chugging an...
I did something similar here but what I did was seemingly cure a suspected (but never confirmed) A1 beta-casein intolerance, not a lactose intolerance. I did this by specifically chugging an entire 12 ounce glass of A2 beta-casein only milk, and for some reason I seem to have only needed to do it the one time. I don't pretend to understand what's happening, I just know that suddenly in my mid-40's I can drink an entire glass of milk and I'm fine, whereas in my 30's that would've been as disastrous as she implied her experiment started off.
The most fascinating thing about this is that it's a piece of evidence for a broader observation about the gut microbiome: you need really strong interventions if you want to change it, but if you...
The most fascinating thing about this is that it's a piece of evidence for a broader observation about the gut microbiome: you need really strong interventions if you want to change it, but if you do it right, the results come very quickly.
Slow gradual introduction of lactose without too much suffering doesn't seem to work. Neither does supplementation of bifidobacteria on its own. But tell your gut "you will digest lactose and you will enjoy it!" and you're done in two weeks.
There are more and more pieces of evidence like this. Recently the preindustrialized tribe-inspired NiMe Diet, which changed multiple blood markers significantly for the better (on top of changing the microbiome itself) in just a 3 week study, but the subjects ate nothing but foods from the diet. Or probiotics: finding probiotics that work for a specific ailment is an incredibly difficult task because there are hundreds of possible bacteria available, at the same time most pharmacies just have a couple most common multi-strain probiotics of questionable quality at best and getting anything else is expensive and complicated, and there's a good chance that you need one out of just a couple very specific strains. However anecdotally when people do find what works for them (whether based on microbiome sequencing or just randomly), it tends to work in just a couple days.
The wilder variant: the person who did some genetic engineering (and a follow up).
Not validating this idea, but anecdotally ... I regularly fast for a few days at a time, usually 3-7 days ... and after I start eating again, I am generally lactose intolerant for a week or two, until my intestines remember how to digest the stuff.
Why? I'm not being critical genuinely curious why you fast for so long.
I also had a mild lactose intolerance that I fixed through drinking more milk, and a mild banana allergy I fixed through eating more bananas.
OP creates a cure* for lactose intelorance through the scientific application of straight up chugging it. And by it, I mean heavily concentrated powdered milk.
*Using the term cure here with an artistic license. It may work for some, it might not for others.
Oh jesus fuck, fuck no, I'd rather kill myself
As an enjoyer of milk, I'd rather do this than have to think about having lactase pills on me for the rest of my life.
I can handle small amounts of lactose in cheese and yogurt (that I make myself so I can hella strain it) but actual liquid milk still makes me vomit. The rest of dairy products just come out the uhh. other chute.
I've avoided clicking this video on my feed for awhile because I expected it to literally be milk chugging, like the scene in Anchorman which still makes me gag. So I'm quite relieved to hear it's just milk powder but still. Hrchhh.
That being said, I'm fine with my lactose intolerance. I'm genuinely curious why in North America is it considered a thing that needs to be cured? I know one reasoning is because some medicines contain lactose and that can be problematic for lactose intolerant patients, which is understandable. But all too often, when I tell people I'm quite heavily lactose intolerant, they start telling me about their lactose intolerant cousin who takes lactaid and how I'm missing out on so much. So I guess I get the vibe that it's a FOMO thing or a desire to not be seen as different?
Lactaid isn’t a cure for lactose, it’s just a series of products with the lactase enzyme as a supplement.
The US has a big dairy culture. If you’re heavily lactose intolerant, you’ll be unable to eat many common foods and deserts. Many people consider drinking milk to be a serious ritual. For most cases of lactose intolerance, eating the milk product with a lactase enzyme supplement is an easy and cheap fix.
It's mostly propaganda, if we're honest, but it has worked. I grew up during the "Got milk?" advertising campaign blitz, along with the Real California Cheese campaign about Great Cheese comes from Happy Cows, Happy Cows come from California (what a joke that is.)
I do recall the Got Milk stuff and also all the calcium stuff. Teachers would tell me I'll have brittle bones or break my arm more easily if I didn't drink my milk but I was like "but it makes me feel sick... I don't want to drink it"
Meanwhile, I've gone nearly 40 years without drinking milk and have yet to break a bone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Of course, having said that, I'll likely break something shoveling snow this weekend...
I once did a slip and slide on some ground ice that looked like it had snow pack on top of it. I landed on my backside hard enough that I was sure I'd broken something, but it was just a bruised butt cheek and a shattered ego. Be safe out there!
Yeah, I'm realizing now reading the other comments that people can develop it post-adolescence which honestly was news to me - I thought it only went away or got worse in adolescence and was unaware it could be acquired later in life. I know I would be looking for a way to fix things if I was suddenly intolerant to beans or potatoes (my two favourite foods)
My figure skating coach recently told me that she drinks half a litre of milk every night before bed which was in the back of my mind when writing my original comment. Just one of those things that is difficult for me to comprehend, I suppose.
Pretty much everyone with lactose intolerance grows into it. It would be pretty bad to be lactose intolerant as a baby when your diet is entirely milk.
Some people get early enough they won’t remember a time when they could consume dairy, but it’s usually ages 10-20.
Since it’s more about, uh, gastronomic discomfort whether or not you like the taste of milk/icecream/etc is fairly disconnected from the lactase intolerance even if you do develop it early.
I developed lactose intolerance post-adolescence, and as an American who makes a concerted effort to seed my gut biome with lactase-producers, I guess I'm qualified to explain.
Cheese is everywhere here. It's on every sandwich, it's added to vegetables, we put it on our fruit pies, and it's probably the only food staple that people will eat by itself. Milk is also commonly incorporated into recipes that traditionally lack it for added texture and sweetness. Living without lactase means a lot of vigilance in restaurants, not to mention home cooked meals. It's not some awful burden, and if I didn't really enjoy young cheeses I'd just deal with it, but it's a pain in the ass that every second item on a menu will include lactose without notice.
That's a good point, I don't eat out very often and when I do, I'm not regularly checking for lactose beyond just skipping cheese and sweet stuff. Mine isn't severe enough for small amounts to tear me up so maybe I've just always been lucky or assumed it was something else causing me some gastrointestinal distress. My wife is also lactose intolerant so we don't have problems at home either usually (except on the rare occasion we want to make ice cream, typically in the middle of winter for whatever reason).
I guess avoiding lactose stuff has just become so natural to me that I don't see why people put it in everything, other than it just being a part of the culture. I do get irrationally angry at seeing Asian cuisines recently adding cheese to everything though. I went out for Korean BBQ with friends that I was visiting in LA once and there was just a huge tray of melted bubbling cheese and corn in front of me the entire night. Was really rather disgusting to me but at least the rest was non-cheese lol
Yeah, it definitely comes down to who you're living with.
It's not that I need it to be cured, it's that I'm going to eat dairy regardless so the less I suffer the better.
I don't drink or use regular milk anymore but do drink Fairlife or equivalent which is lactose free. (And not sweet). They got rid of my favorite plant based substitute (Silk Next Milk was a chemical wonder) and sometimes I want cereal. Plus cheese is basically my go to snack and I don't like limiting myself to lactose free options.
I've pretty successfully maintained my level of intolerance and not had it get worse like my mom's side of the family usually does (they're Sardinian mostly) but I may have just gotten the milder version of it handed down.
Like the others say, it's largely just how prevalent milk is in American cooking. Along with cheese, it's also found in a lot of desserts like cakes, cookies, chocolate, ice cream, creams in general... Then there's yogurt, mashed potatoes recipes, some breads, some sauces (Alfredo is particularly common for pasta), pancakes, pastries, some soups ("cream of" anything), chowder...
Yeah, it can be surprisingly hard to avoid. And a lot of people develop it later in life, so it's less FOMO and more not wanting to give up long-time favorite foods. I'd be devastated to lose the ability to eat mac and cheese or chocolate.
Ah you hit an interesting point. I developed a fairly severe distaste for sugar at a very young age to the point I became fairly repulsed by most candy and cake things (I also have autism related sensory issues, especially around anything sticky so that might be part of it too?). So I naturally avoid almost everything you listed or I opt for less sweeter varieties if they're available.
Almost sounds like big dairy and big sugar have been hanging out together...
But to the credit of everybody else, I guess I just sometimes forget other people like other things lol. If I suddenly developed a bean intolerance (one of my favourite foods), I'd probably also want to fix it or at least make them tolerable again.
For me, besides really enjoying all types of dairy, what really bugs me is that it's difficult to tell just how much dairy (and what kind) is bad enough that I should be taking a pill. Liquid milk doesn't seem too bad for me outside of a bit of gas, but cheese sometimes - not all the time, sometimes! - fucks me up hard, like "curled up in a fetal position on the bathroom floor for 10 minutes trying not to pass out" hard. I liberally take lactaid pills but it's annoying when I need to take multiple a day because my meals and drinks are spread out in the day. Spontaneous latte? Thanksgiving mashed potatoes? Lassi from the Indian place (I didn't know it contained dairy the first time I had it...)? Sometimes I have to take two at a time and it just isn't clear to me when I need to do that; it's just vibes, and I dislike that.
And yeah, people who have serious allergies to certain foods have it much worse than I, but it'd be nice if we could all consume whatever the heck we wanted where the only consequence is calories/nutrients/heavens forbid, bacteria and mold and other such...
I also hate that there isn't really a good way to tell how much I need for specific things. Instead my mantra has become "you cannot overdose on lactaid". So when having some pizza or whatever, every time I think of it, I just take another one.
My wife kind of fixed her lactose intolerance, but in a completely different way. We did a low carb diet for a while and while on it her lactose intolerance magically disappeared. She has since learned that she's only lactose intolerant when also consuming white flour. We still don't know exactly why it's the case, but any time she eats too much white flour her lactose intolerance returns for a few days. Gut biomes are weird.
Has she been tested for Celiac?
I did something similar here but what I did was seemingly cure a suspected (but never confirmed) A1 beta-casein intolerance, not a lactose intolerance. I did this by specifically chugging an entire 12 ounce glass of A2 beta-casein only milk, and for some reason I seem to have only needed to do it the one time. I don't pretend to understand what's happening, I just know that suddenly in my mid-40's I can drink an entire glass of milk and I'm fine, whereas in my 30's that would've been as disastrous as she implied her experiment started off.
The most fascinating thing about this is that it's a piece of evidence for a broader observation about the gut microbiome: you need really strong interventions if you want to change it, but if you do it right, the results come very quickly.
Slow gradual introduction of lactose without too much suffering doesn't seem to work. Neither does supplementation of bifidobacteria on its own. But tell your gut "you will digest lactose and you will enjoy it!" and you're done in two weeks.
There are more and more pieces of evidence like this. Recently the preindustrialized tribe-inspired NiMe Diet, which changed multiple blood markers significantly for the better (on top of changing the microbiome itself) in just a 3 week study, but the subjects ate nothing but foods from the diet. Or probiotics: finding probiotics that work for a specific ailment is an incredibly difficult task because there are hundreds of possible bacteria available, at the same time most pharmacies just have a couple most common multi-strain probiotics of questionable quality at best and getting anything else is expensive and complicated, and there's a good chance that you need one out of just a couple very specific strains. However anecdotally when people do find what works for them (whether based on microbiome sequencing or just randomly), it tends to work in just a couple days.