If you have an acre in the countryside and want to dig yourself a network of spider tunnels to cosplay the NVA, knock yourself out. If you're in a highly populated area with very large buildings...
Personally, I support tunneling without a permit.
If you have an acre in the countryside and want to dig yourself a network of spider tunnels to cosplay the NVA, knock yourself out.
If you're in a highly populated area with very large buildings and lots of underground utility works, get a permit and dial before you dig so that no one gets hurt.
I'm sure that a reasonably uneducated person could build a perfectly cromulent tunnel with a pick and shovel - but when educated people are building things to precise codes and calculations and expect there to not be a hodgepodge of makeshift tunnels under the ground, people get hurt.
Again, they can go buy some land in rural PA if they want to dig like it's Minecraft but when you live in a highly populated area you have to consider everyone when you take actions.
Same where I live, for the most part. That's pretty different than digging an illegal and unsafe tunnel/building expansion under neighboring buildings in the middle of a city.
Same where I live, for the most part.
That's pretty different than digging an illegal and unsafe tunnel/building expansion under neighboring buildings in the middle of a city.
Sarcastic or not this gave me a laugh I needed. They say everyone on the Internet is a bot except for me. Today I learned that some of them are gophers with cell phones.
Sarcastic or not this gave me a laugh I needed.
They say everyone on the Internet is a bot except for me. Today I learned that some of them are gophers with cell phones.
First I'm hearing about the crazy engineer (software) lady digging under her house; then the guy who made an eel pit in his basement, the Hasidic tunnels of New York and last week some guy in my...
First I'm hearing about the crazy engineer (software) lady digging under her house; then the guy who made an eel pit in his basement, the Hasidic tunnels of New York and last week some guy in my area spent the entire day drilling through his driveway because they are convinced we are on a gold deposit.
It seems like everyone is rediscovering the joys of rejecting modernity and returning to tunnel. If we can't find the holes that were made for us, we must make them ourselves.
The Enigma of Amigara Fault Remember to read the frames right to left as it's originally in Japanese! Edit: Apparently that link isn't working for others so here's a different one:...
Warning: that thing is disturbing and I regret reading it (and I personally recommend you all skip it). Thankfully that was a couple of years ago and I've mostly forgotten it.
Warning: that thing is disturbing and I regret reading it (and I personally recommend you all skip it). Thankfully that was a couple of years ago and I've mostly forgotten it.
It was definitely deeply disturbing, but I still really enjoyed reading it, since I love dark, psychological horror stories, and it was an exceptionally creative one, IMO. Your warning is still...
It was definitely deeply disturbing, but I still really enjoyed reading it, since I love dark, psychological horror stories, and it was an exceptionally creative one, IMO. Your warning is still well worth voicing though, since I'm pretty sure it's an allegory for drug addiction and/or suicide, which might be triggering for some people.
Just did, it takes me to the manga I wanted to post. Is it overrun with ads or something? I'll update it with a better link lol. https://imgur.com/a/Wht7z
Just did, it takes me to the manga I wanted to post. Is it overrun with ads or something? I'll update it with a better link lol.
Oh here you can add this absolutely bonkers tunnel story to the stack: https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/09/08/paranoid-tech-bro-homemade-nuclear-bunker-shocking-death-askia-khafra-daniel-beckwitt/
Digging a Tunnel by Every Bloke Ever More from the series of "Seemingly pointless activities that brought us civilization" by various authors: Nurturing random plants. IDK why, it seemed like a...
Digging a Tunnel
by Every Bloke Ever
More from the series of "Seemingly pointless activities that brought us civilization" by various authors:
Nurturing random plants. IDK why, it seemed like a nice distraction
Capturing wild animals because why not
Making rocks really hot to see what will happen
Just talking at people until they figure out your words
Useful applications of Pyromania
Fucking around, generally
I think all those urges/instincts are present in humanity because they helped us progress from monkey to civilization. You can't convince me otherwise.
Just for the record the Dick Stroker (Richard Strocher) guy is just a joke screenshot of a fake tweet. I'm only clarifying this because I've seen multiple videos of "tiktok influencers"...
Just for the record the Dick Stroker (Richard Strocher) guy is just a joke screenshot of a fake tweet. I'm only clarifying this because I've seen multiple videos of "tiktok influencers" "apologising" to him and giving him legitimacy. Jokes can be funny when they are clearly meant to be jokes, but people are incredibly gullible.
I've been stuck in the airport all day after a series of canceled flights and this post was just the pick me up I needed. I might just start a tunnel when I get home.
I've been stuck in the airport all day after a series of canceled flights and this post was just the pick me up I needed. I might just start a tunnel when I get home.
I wish I'd had a class like this in school. I've been looking into building a greenhouse with geothermal heating and am pretty sure I'd collapse my yard in the process.
I wish I'd had a class like this in school. I've been looking into building a greenhouse with geothermal heating and am pretty sure I'd collapse my yard in the process.
Calling it a "brawl" is, uh. Way overstating it. The bigger story is how this instantly became a wave of conspiracy blood libel that overwhelmed twitter, showing succinctly why no serious person...
Calling it a "brawl" is, uh. Way overstating it.
The bigger story is how this instantly became a wave of conspiracy blood libel that overwhelmed twitter, showing succinctly why no serious person should be using the site any more.
Rolling Stone posted an article about the all crazy antisemitic stuff that exploded X after this incident: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/secret-chabad-tunnels-new-york-1234942995/
People's reactions to a story are bigger news than the story? I suppose sometimes that's true, but if you're not reading certain parts of Twitter then you wouldn't know it. (No sign in my Twitter...
People's reactions to a story are bigger news than the story? I suppose sometimes that's true, but if you're not reading certain parts of Twitter then you wouldn't know it. (No sign in my Twitter feed, which is carefully curated.)
I mentioned twitter because that's generally the worst of it, but I've also seen it on insta and tumblr as well. The rapid spread of timeworn antisemitic conspiracies definitely feels like a more...
I mentioned twitter because that's generally the worst of it, but I've also seen it on insta and tumblr as well.
The rapid spread of timeworn antisemitic conspiracies definitely feels like a more significant story to me than the (admittedly humorous) illegal excavation that they latched onto.
Yeah my 23 yr old coworker, who from the questions he asks on a daily basis I can only assume has led a very sheltered life, came up to me yesterday to ask me if I'd heard about the Jewish human...
Yeah my 23 yr old coworker, who from the questions he asks on a daily basis I can only assume has led a very sheltered life, came up to me yesterday to ask me if I'd heard about the Jewish human trafficking tunnels riddling New York City. I was in the middle of handling several time-sensitive issues so I just gave him a bland "wow that's crazy" but I guess we're gonna have to have the whole check-your-sources talk. The other day he was going on about aliens at a mall in Miami so he obviously lacks the ability to smell test things he sees on social media.
A summary of what wikipedia says is that there are 2 groups in the synagogue fighting over ownership, and the ones who currently do not legally own it (the more extreme messianics) dug a tunnel to...
A summary of what wikipedia says is that there are 2 groups in the synagogue fighting over ownership, and the ones who currently do not legally own it (the more extreme messianics) dug a tunnel to expand it. (They have been trying to expand for a while, see their dedicated website). However, the other sect who own the building were understandably pissed when they found out, especially as it was not particularly structurally sound, and so called in the city to fill it in, which is what caused all the police to come when the messianics tried to block them.
Thanks for this very concise and all-too-believable run-down. With all the bizarre conspiracy theories swirling, this very prosaic reason rings true to me. It's just run-of-the-mill human greed,...
Thanks for this very concise and all-too-believable run-down. With all the bizarre conspiracy theories swirling, this very prosaic reason rings true to me. It's just run-of-the-mill human greed, it seems.
I don't have enough context for what on earth this is really about, but this section really jumped out at me: Highlighting the threat from the onlookers, their disrespect. "appeared" to "deploy"...
I don't have enough context for what on earth this is really about, but this section really jumped out at me:
... onlookers, mostly young men, jeering at the NYPD' community affairs officers. Some lifted wooden desks in the air, sending prayer books scattering.
Highlighting the threat from the onlookers, their disrespect.
In response, an officer appeared to deploy an irritating spray to disperse the group.
"appeared" to "deploy" an "irritating spray". Minimizing the response from the officers, using the most vague and neutral language possible for using pepper spray on protestors.
Practically, these young men were doing something dumb, and damaged what was their center of community life. Given that the people in charge of the building were ready to fill the passage back in it sounds like things had reached a stalemate, but it's awful that they couldn't resolve the issue without the cops getting involved.
That language suggests to me that the reporter is being cautious about interpreting what they see in some photo or video. (It's not like you could see what kind of spray it is from a video.) Edit:...
That language suggests to me that the reporter is being cautious about interpreting what they see in some photo or video. (It's not like you could see what kind of spray it is from a video.)
Edit: from the previous sentence "footage posted to social media."
Sure. But they could have used neutral wording for the protestors' actions and didn't. I was attempting to highlight the disparity in how they two groups' actions were described. Did I fail to do...
Sure. But they could have used neutral wording for the protestors' actions and didn't. I was attempting to highlight the disparity in how they two groups' actions were described. Did I fail to do so in my previous comment?
I don't see the bias you see in the quote about the protesters. It seems to me that it describes actions that one could easily see in a video. Maybe the reporter got it wrong and should have...
I don't see the bias you see in the quote about the protesters. It seems to me that it describes actions that one could easily see in a video.
Maybe the reporter got it wrong and should have described it differently, but the best way to tell would be to track down the video and watch it.
The behavior of the protesters was indeed described as one could easily see in a video... and then the cops' actions were not described that way. The difference is the issue here. Why isn't it...
The behavior of the protesters was indeed described as one could easily see in a video... and then the cops' actions were not described that way. The difference is the issue here. Why isn't it "[young men] appeared to lift wooden desks in the air, sending what seemed to be prayer books flying"? You likely wouldn't be able to see whether the books were prayer books in a video either unless it were bizarrely high res.
Probably because the author thought that sounded like bad writing and assumed you'd understand that reporting was based to some extent on their ability to interpret what they see. But the author doesn't take this same approach to the weak, wishy-washy language in their description of the police's actions. That choice is worth commenting on.
I'm not a huge fan of illegal tunnels and I don't think the behavior there was justified. But news reporting SO often downplays cops' behavior to absolve them of any implication of doing anything even adjacent to wrongdoing, so I think it's very worth it to keep an eye out for and be critical of when reporting is asymmetrical like this. It's far from an isolated instance.
Instead of âprayer booksâ they could just say âbooks.â But maybe someone who visited could see what their prayer books look like and if they match the video, even if we canât really tell? If...
Instead of âprayer booksâ they could just say âbooks.â But maybe someone who visited could see what their prayer books look like and if they match the video, even if we canât really tell? If theyâre the same color and thatâs whatâs normally there, good enough?
Something similar could be done for the police - what do they normally carry? Is it âpepper sprayâ or something else?
I mean, I think prayer books is a fine assumption to make -- it's that they're unwilling to do something similar with the police that's annoying. I think it would have been very easy for the...
I mean, I think prayer books is a fine assumption to make -- it's that they're unwilling to do something similar with the police that's annoying. I think it would have been very easy for the author to do that.
Also entirely plausible that the editorial staff is sensitized to the various irritants because the police "uhm ackshually"'d them before or something. I don't think they've been "well...
Also entirely plausible that the editorial staff is sensitized to the various irritants because the police "uhm ackshually"'d them before or something. I don't think they've been "well ackshually"'d about jewish prayer books before.
To add on to you, Jewish religious books like volumes of the Talmud tend to be very visually distinct. Matching, oversized, leather-bound volumes in a Jewish context can be assumed to be religious...
To add on to you, Jewish religious books like volumes of the Talmud tend to be very visually distinct. Matching, oversized, leather-bound volumes in a Jewish context can be assumed to be religious books.
I feel the need to back you up here. In the US we give the police forces too much leeway by watering down their responses, but not those of protestors. Did the cops use a riot agent? Was anyone...
I feel the need to back you up here. In the US we give the police forces too much leeway by watering down their responses, but not those of protestors. Did the cops use a riot agent? Was anyone hurt? It doesn't seem like the protestors even came physically close to the cops, so why did they escalate with a irritating agent?
If you have an acre in the countryside and want to dig yourself a network of spider tunnels to cosplay the NVA, knock yourself out.
If you're in a highly populated area with very large buildings and lots of underground utility works, get a permit and dial before you dig so that no one gets hurt.
I'm sure that a reasonably uneducated person could build a perfectly cromulent tunnel with a pick and shovel - but when educated people are building things to precise codes and calculations and expect there to not be a hodgepodge of makeshift tunnels under the ground, people get hurt.
Again, they can go buy some land in rural PA if they want to dig like it's Minecraft but when you live in a highly populated area you have to consider everyone when you take actions.
I'm reasonably confident that was a joke on /u/Gunbudder 's behalf...
Same where I live, for the most part.
That's pretty different than digging an illegal and unsafe tunnel/building expansion under neighboring buildings in the middle of a city.
Sarcastic or not this gave me a laugh I needed.
They say everyone on the Internet is a bot except for me. Today I learned that some of them are gophers with cell phones.
Is this last bit sarcasm or are you serious? I can't tell.
All Men Must Dig
I think we found the secret gopher.
First I'm hearing about the crazy engineer (software) lady digging under her house; then the guy who made an eel pit in his basement, the Hasidic tunnels of New York and last week some guy in my area spent the entire day drilling through his driveway because they are convinced we are on a gold deposit.
It seems like everyone is rediscovering the joys of rejecting modernity and returning to tunnel. If we can't find the holes that were made for us, we must make them ourselves.
I certainly hope I never find the hole made for me. đŹ
The Enigma of Amigara Fault
Remember to read the frames right to left as it's originally in Japanese!
Edit: Apparently that link isn't working for others so here's a different one: https://imgur.com/a/Wht7z
Warning: that thing is disturbing and I regret reading it (and I personally recommend you all skip it). Thankfully that was a couple of years ago and I've mostly forgotten it.
It was definitely deeply disturbing, but I still really enjoyed reading it, since I love dark, psychological horror stories, and it was an exceptionally creative one, IMO. Your warning is still well worth voicing though, since I'm pretty sure it's an allegory for drug addiction and/or suicide, which might be triggering for some people.
Just seems like a really creepy fantasy horror thing to me, but yes it is pretty terrifying.
I donât think you meant to link to laundry tips.
Laundry tips?
Check your link.
Just did, it takes me to the manga I wanted to post. Is it overrun with ads or something? I'll update it with a better link lol.
https://imgur.com/a/Wht7z
The URL I can see in your link is: https://www.greenhomestyle.com/statuses/10569.html I'm not sure why you're seeing something different.
Just as another data point, I also see the same behavior, the original link is to laundry tips.
Weird.
Well, that's really friggin weird. My original link still takes me to the comic.
https://i.imgur.com/JZevkNh.png
The URL bar in your screenshot still reads greenhomestyle.com, maybe you have an extension somewhere causing problems?
Super weird. Now it takes me to the laundry tips. Haven't added or removed or disabled any addons in the meantime.
It's the year of the tunnel! Long may it continue
Oh here you can add this absolutely bonkers tunnel story to the stack: https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/09/08/paranoid-tech-bro-homemade-nuclear-bunker-shocking-death-askia-khafra-daniel-beckwitt/
Digging a Tunnel
by Every Bloke Ever
More from the series of "Seemingly pointless activities that brought us civilization" by various authors:
I think all those urges/instincts are present in humanity because they helped us progress from monkey to civilization. You can't convince me otherwise.
Just for the record the Dick Stroker (Richard Strocher) guy is just a joke screenshot of a fake tweet. I'm only clarifying this because I've seen multiple videos of "tiktok influencers" "apologising" to him and giving him legitimacy. Jokes can be funny when they are clearly meant to be jokes, but people are incredibly gullible.
Also a mega antisemitic far right troll btw, check his twitter bio
I've been stuck in the airport all day after a series of canceled flights and this post was just the pick me up I needed. I might just start a tunnel when I get home.
I wish I'd had a class like this in school. I've been looking into building a greenhouse with geothermal heating and am pretty sure I'd collapse my yard in the process.
Calling it a "brawl" is, uh. Way overstating it.
The bigger story is how this instantly became a wave of conspiracy blood libel that overwhelmed twitter, showing succinctly why no serious person should be using the site any more.
Rolling Stone posted an article about the all crazy antisemitic stuff that exploded X after this incident: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/secret-chabad-tunnels-new-york-1234942995/
People's reactions to a story are bigger news than the story? I suppose sometimes that's true, but if you're not reading certain parts of Twitter then you wouldn't know it. (No sign in my Twitter feed, which is carefully curated.)
I mentioned twitter because that's generally the worst of it, but I've also seen it on insta and tumblr as well.
The rapid spread of timeworn antisemitic conspiracies definitely feels like a more significant story to me than the (admittedly humorous) illegal excavation that they latched onto.
Yeah my 23 yr old coworker, who from the questions he asks on a daily basis I can only assume has led a very sheltered life, came up to me yesterday to ask me if I'd heard about the Jewish human trafficking tunnels riddling New York City. I was in the middle of handling several time-sensitive issues so I just gave him a bland "wow that's crazy" but I guess we're gonna have to have the whole check-your-sources talk. The other day he was going on about aliens at a mall in Miami so he obviously lacks the ability to smell test things he sees on social media.
Did you hear or see the stuff about the Miami mall aliens? Its as BS as it gets.
A summary of what wikipedia says is that there are 2 groups in the synagogue fighting over ownership, and the ones who currently do not legally own it (the more extreme messianics) dug a tunnel to expand it. (They have been trying to expand for a while, see their dedicated website). However, the other sect who own the building were understandably pissed when they found out, especially as it was not particularly structurally sound, and so called in the city to fill it in, which is what caused all the police to come when the messianics tried to block them.
Thanks for this very concise and all-too-believable run-down. With all the bizarre conspiracy theories swirling, this very prosaic reason rings true to me. It's just run-of-the-mill human greed, it seems.
I don't have enough context for what on earth this is really about, but this section really jumped out at me:
Highlighting the threat from the onlookers, their disrespect.
"appeared" to "deploy" an "irritating spray". Minimizing the response from the officers, using the most vague and neutral language possible for using pepper spray on protestors.
Practically, these young men were doing something dumb, and damaged what was their center of community life. Given that the people in charge of the building were ready to fill the passage back in it sounds like things had reached a stalemate, but it's awful that they couldn't resolve the issue without the cops getting involved.
That language suggests to me that the reporter is being cautious about interpreting what they see in some photo or video. (It's not like you could see what kind of spray it is from a video.)
Edit: from the previous sentence "footage posted to social media."
Sure. But they could have used neutral wording for the protestors' actions and didn't. I was attempting to highlight the disparity in how they two groups' actions were described. Did I fail to do so in my previous comment?
I don't see the bias you see in the quote about the protesters. It seems to me that it describes actions that one could easily see in a video.
Maybe the reporter got it wrong and should have described it differently, but the best way to tell would be to track down the video and watch it.
The behavior of the protesters was indeed described as one could easily see in a video... and then the cops' actions were not described that way. The difference is the issue here. Why isn't it "[young men] appeared to lift wooden desks in the air, sending what seemed to be prayer books flying"? You likely wouldn't be able to see whether the books were prayer books in a video either unless it were bizarrely high res.
Probably because the author thought that sounded like bad writing and assumed you'd understand that reporting was based to some extent on their ability to interpret what they see. But the author doesn't take this same approach to the weak, wishy-washy language in their description of the police's actions. That choice is worth commenting on.
I'm not a huge fan of illegal tunnels and I don't think the behavior there was justified. But news reporting SO often downplays cops' behavior to absolve them of any implication of doing anything even adjacent to wrongdoing, so I think it's very worth it to keep an eye out for and be critical of when reporting is asymmetrical like this. It's far from an isolated instance.
Instead of âprayer booksâ they could just say âbooks.â But maybe someone who visited could see what their prayer books look like and if they match the video, even if we canât really tell? If theyâre the same color and thatâs whatâs normally there, good enough?
Something similar could be done for the police - what do they normally carry? Is it âpepper sprayâ or something else?
I mean, I think prayer books is a fine assumption to make -- it's that they're unwilling to do something similar with the police that's annoying. I think it would have been very easy for the author to do that.
Also entirely plausible that the editorial staff is sensitized to the various irritants because the police "uhm ackshually"'d them before or something. I don't think they've been "well ackshually"'d about jewish prayer books before.
To add on to you, Jewish religious books like volumes of the Talmud tend to be very visually distinct. Matching, oversized, leather-bound volumes in a Jewish context can be assumed to be religious books.
I feel the need to back you up here. In the US we give the police forces too much leeway by watering down their responses, but not those of protestors. Did the cops use a riot agent? Was anyone hurt? It doesn't seem like the protestors even came physically close to the cops, so why did they escalate with a irritating agent?
I suspect you are reacting to the word âjeering,â which certainly lends a degree of judgment of action.