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General US protests discussion

There's a lot of unrest in the US lately, with protests going on in several cities.

How do you feel about the state of things in the US, regarding racism, police brutality, etc...? What's your viewpoint on the protests? How do you see the situation evolving? Some fear deadly confrontation between military police and civilians.

Have you had the misfortune of having a negative encounter with police officers? Care to tell your story? Have you participated yourself in one of these protests? What was your experience like? If you haven't, do you keep yourself informed? Where do you primarily find news? What's the general mood in your neighborhood, in your community, in your city?

We've seen protests pop up a lot more in recent years in various parts of the world - eg. Hong Kong, Lebanon, France, etc... Do you feel that this is symptomatic of a larger, global unease? Or can the US protests be considered wholly specific?

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  1. [8]
    CALICO
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    I'm watching this as an American living outside of America. My perspective is this was a long time coming. There's an idea often attributed to former Congressman Larry McDonald—though predating...

    I'm watching this as an American living outside of America.

    My perspective is this was a long time coming. There's an idea often attributed to former Congressman Larry McDonald—though predating him in some form or another—that states:
    There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.

    This can be applied to enacting any kind of change.
    Step One of enacting change is to talk about it. Have a discourse. If that doesn't work,
    Step Two is to vote. Vote for politicians who will fight for your cause. If that doesn't work,
    Step Three is to use the law to your advantage. Utilize tools such as Jury Nullification to nullify unjust laws. If that doesn't work,
    Step Four is violence. Because you've exhausted all your non-violent options, and those in power have resisted your cause at every opportunity.

    We can debate the ethics of violence until all the stars in the heavens burn out, but I think it's easy to see how we got here. We've been talking about police brutality and police immunity for a long time. This isn't a new issue. We've seen politicians fail to put an end to it. The law has given the police more protection than The People. We hear stories all the time about another policeman killing another unarmed civilian. Unwarranted forced entrances with dead bodies left behind. Too much force for too little an offense.
    With few exceptions, there's an "internal investigation" finding the officer not at fault. Occasionally, the officer will temporarily removed from duty. Very rarely is justice granted by the Court.

    Every year the police get away with murder.
    Every year the police become more militarized.
    Every year the police protect their own.

    The Supreme Court has ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect.

    When voting has failed, when the law has failed, when non-violent protests fail, what are people expected to do? Give up? Anyone could have predicted this was going to happen eventually. George Floyd wasn't the reason, but his death was the final straw for a populace stressed by decades of inaction, a POTUS stoking fire and his party of Fascists widening the class divide, an uncontrolled pandemic, and unemployment rate not seen in a lifetime.

    This is what happens.

    I think it will get worse. The majority of these protests are peaceful, until given a reason to escalate. Maybe it's one person who goes too far and changes the energy of the crowd. Mob Mentality is a real thing in human psychology. Maybe it's an Agent Provocateur, that escalates such to give LEO's a reason to use more force. But somebody eventually escalates, which causes the other party to escalate, and we get a feedback loop effect. People are being wounded. People will be killed. The police will crack down more. The protests will become more violent. The armed forces may begin to fire upon civilians. And all hell may break loose. We may see a People's Revolution and change granted. We may see a totalitarian crackdown and more liberties stripped away.

    My perspective is this was the most predictable thing in the world. This could have all been avoided. Every person who could have acted to hold the police accountable over countless decades, but didn't, is a gigantic fucking idiot. Doubly the idiot if they're surprised by any of this.
    This is the bed made by the Thin Blue Line, and now we all have to lie in it.

    40 votes
    1. [5]
      Amarok
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      I'd say we've barely even touched box #3 yet, but that one always seems to get skipped over in favor of box #4. It would help if the justice system didn't throw people who know about nullification...

      I'd say we've barely even touched box #3 yet, but that one always seems to get skipped over in favor of box #4. It would help if the justice system didn't throw people who know about nullification out of the jury pool instantly. If you want to be sure you are never, ever called on for jury duty again, that's the way to get there. They'll consider you tainted and delete you from the database so you never get called on again.

      12 votes
      1. [2]
        CALICO
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        The Jury Box has been made nearly impossible to access, because these cases seldom see the inside of a courtroom. Most of the time it's not an option, so we're—by default—one box closer to...

        The Jury Box has been made nearly impossible to access, because these cases seldom see the inside of a courtroom. Most of the time it's not an option, so we're—by default—one box closer to violence than we ought to be. That alone is a reason we're seeing protests and riots today. One can't just deny the people the tools to make change and expect that not to be a problem down the line. If police weren't so immune from prosecution, we'd be talking about something else today.

        27 votes
        1. Amarok
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          Good point. They do everything possible to settle it with plea deals and most people do not have the financial resources to take it to a courtroom for years.

          Good point. They do everything possible to settle it with plea deals and most people do not have the financial resources to take it to a courtroom for years.

          4 votes
      2. [2]
        Flashynuff
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        The courts don't work to hold cops accountable because qualified immunity exists

        The courts don't work to hold cops accountable because qualified immunity exists

        5 votes
        1. Amarok
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          In the end, the blue wall of silence is going to be the price the police will have to pay for this. It's coming down and it's staying down.

          In the end, the blue wall of silence is going to be the price the police will have to pay for this. It's coming down and it's staying down.

          10 votes
    2. super_james
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      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK 1962

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK 1962

      7 votes
    3. vektor
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      In your reasons for escalation, don't forget unprovoked police attacks. Police brutality is the reason for these protests, it's not surprising to see police brutality. I'm not comfortable pointing...

      In your reasons for escalation, don't forget unprovoked police attacks. Police brutality is the reason for these protests, it's not surprising to see police brutality. I'm not comfortable pointing to any specific incident as "that's definitely unprovoked", and I'll grant that I'd be itchy if I were a LEO. But there's a lot of cases on social media of at least plausible claims of police casually but seriously attacking civilians.

      4 votes
  2. [2]
    moocow1452
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    DOJ to treat antifa involvement in protests as domestic terrorism The declaration of an ambiguous domestic resistance to government actions as "Terrorists" is never a good thing. I'd joke about it...

    DOJ to treat antifa involvement in protests as domestic terrorism

    The declaration of an ambiguous domestic resistance to government actions as "Terrorists" is never a good thing. I'd joke about it literally being anti-facists means that we're in a post-modern hellscape, but I'm not really in the mood to be glib right now.

    17 votes
    1. SheepWolf
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      I'll joke. "The Galactic Empire, headed by Emperor Palpatine, declares the Rebel Alliance 'freedom fighters' to be terrorist scum" "Imperial Storm Troopers are urged to use any force necessary to...

      I'll joke.

      "The Galactic Empire, headed by Emperor Palpatine, declares the Rebel Alliance 'freedom fighters' to be terrorist scum"

      "Imperial Storm Troopers are urged to use any force necessary to deal with this rebel threat. Those caught rallying members to protest this rightful and just purge of anti-imperial sentiment are to be declared Jedi sympathizers and executed on the spot."

      7 votes
  3. kfwyre
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    This is a rant, written from a place of hurt and anger, from a white guy. While I don't know what it's like to experience the direct damage of racism, I do know what it's like, as a gay guy, to...

    This is a rant, written from a place of hurt and anger, from a white guy. While I don't know what it's like to experience the direct damage of racism, I do know what it's like, as a gay guy, to face widespread societal prejudice and discrimination. Those who've seen my more personal posts on this site know I grew up in a very homophobic area. I understand just how debilitating it can be living in a community that is toxic to your identity. Those feelings are what I'm rooting this comment in, but I don't want to be just another white guy pontificating on race. If I've said anything that's wrong, reaching, or crosses a line, please let me know. I promise I will listen and will not respond with hostility.


    I think there's actually a pretty powerful metaphor that we can draw here.

    Right now, we are months into an unprecedented disruption of life due to COVID-19. It is an enemy of humanity, and it is killing people indiscriminately. We have had to change the way we live, talk, shop, do our work, and entertain ourselves in order to accommodate this destructive force. People have lost their lives and loved ones. People have suffered. After nearly three months it's clear that everyone is anxious to return to the normal they once loved. We don't want to have to live in fear anymore. We want to be able to do the things we like again. We want to be the drivers of their own ships again, rather than hiding at port during a storm.

    These protests are against another enemy of humanity, but this one has been around a lot longer than three months. Racism -- in particular racism as carried out in the form of police brutality -- is killing black people indiscriminately. Black people have had to change the way they live, talk, shop, do their work, and entertain themselves in order to accommodate this destructive force. People have lost their lives and loved ones. People have suffered. And after years it's clear that they are still going unheard in their pleas to have the "normal" that many of us enjoy and, heartbreakingly, that many of them have never had. They don't want to have to live in fear anymore. They want to be able to do the things they like. They want to be the drivers of their own ships, rather than hiding at port during a storm.

    We know what we have to do to stop the coronavirus. For all the controversy and missteps, we still watched the world take action against it. The response wasn't perfect, but it still happened. We, as humanity, came together and said that our lives have meaning and are valuable and we want people to be able to continue to live them. Three months ago, for most of the world, the coronavirus was little more than a news item. Now it has fundamentally reshaped everything. In three months.

    We also know what we have to do to stop racism, and we would be lucky if our response to it was even a thousandth as quick or unified as it was for COVID. Instead, we're somehow still stuck at the beginning -- the very basics; the absolute lowest level. The idea that the phrase and concept "black lives matter" could even be controversial highlights the depths to which racism is rooted in our society. I know the noise of news and bickering online has dulled this particular point, so I want to make it explicitly: we are at a place where a large section of our country cannot willfully entertain a statement which says that black people have fundamental, innate value. When I say that the phrase shouldn't be controversial, I'm not trying to give a hot take. I genuinely mean that it shouldn't. It should be such an everyday truth that people should be confused why you would even bring it up in the first place -- like saying "water is wet" or "the sun is a star". The idea that black people's lives are meaningful and valuable shouldn't be something we even need to openly and overtly reinforce. It is supposed to be a truth that we hold to be self-evident.

    Unfortunately, we know that our national reality falls far short of this ideal. We've certainly made some strides and progress, but we're also continually held back by racism's continued and ongoing prevalence. #BlackLivesMatter is the #StayTheFuckHome of COVID-19. It is the first, very simple step in addressing this sickness and somehow we still haven't made it there. There is much harder work ahead of us. Dismantling the way racism has worked its way into our structures and institutions and expectations is far from easy, but it would be so much easier if everyone could simply agree that it's worth it to even care. This is not too much to ask. And people are fucking tired of asking.

    When people say COVID-19 is a hoax, people rightfully dismiss them as ignorant and harmful. Obviously it's not. Obviously people are dying. How can they not understand this? Do you understand how insulting that is to those who have died and those who are on the frontlines fighting it every single day? But when people say racism isn't real or is "over" they're not met with the same dismissals. In fact, they can't be. It's too popular of an idea. Doubting COVID puts you on the fringe, clearly delineating that your influence in society exists at its very edges. Doubting racism, meanwhile, is a coin toss in the US. Heads, it's real and it's a problem; tails, meh. It means that every time it comes up we have to start from square one. Every single time. All while people are still dying and suffering and having their opportunities and agency unfairly cut short simply for who they are. Imagine if, in a year from now, the coronavirus is still ravaging the world and for every person who dies from it we had to continue to justify to a skeptical nation that yes, COVID-19 is real, and yes, that person actually had a right to life. Imagine how backwards, how ignorant that would look. Racism is the virus that has plagued this country since its very inception, in 1776, and we, still, in 2020, cannot even bring ourselves together collectively to admit that it exists, much less what harm it has wrought. How backwards, how ignorant we look.

    14 votes
  4. [2]
    asoftbird
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    I'm watching this as a West-EU citizen; I do have a lot of American friends and therefore am pretty involved in what goes on over there. I guess it's something that was inevitable; tension and...

    I'm watching this as a West-EU citizen; I do have a lot of American friends and therefore am pretty involved in what goes on over there.

    I guess it's something that was inevitable; tension and unrest has been building up for a while, not just due to rampant racism and police brutality but also covid-19, unemployment soaring and that one orange clown.
    Floyd's murder was the last straw; all that frustration has to get out. And it's honestly amazing to see this all across the country, in every major city.

    I've spent the last day or so on Twitter sharing info, checking up on people and just generally reading what's going on. It's kept me busy, not doing much else right now. I've never been involved in any of this kind of stuff, the degree of solidarity and support from every angle is amazing to see.

    I also need to mention that I had a change of mindset; before, I mostly ignored the BLM movement; it's not my fight, it's "overseas"(actually it's everywhere), and I got tired of all the spam. I definitely wasn't racist, and definitely was anti-racist, but passive. And being passive isn't enough. Gotta be anti-racist and actually help people out there that are in need, especially if you're in a more (white) privileged position.
    Spend your free time compiling information or monitoring police radio and communicating that to others. Donate if you can spare a coin. Talk to friends and make sure they're doing okay. Raise awareness in your own country, and more things like that. Every little bit helps.

    That said, there's so outrageously much police brutality, way more than I ever knew. Sure, I knew it was bad, but to see those crowd control teams beating up people across the whole nation? And, so many videos of needless violence, cops aiming at eyes, etc etc? Disgusting.

    I hope this'll be an eye opener not to just the US, but also to the rest of the world; racism is everywhere, but it's largely being ignored or people just don't speak up about it. I hope there's (substantial) change. And I hope it won't get to live rounds instead of rubber.

    11 votes
    1. Gaywallet
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      Glad to hear you've shifted your opinion! I think this is the most important part about these protests right now. It's really drawing attention to something that has been ever present, but often...

      I definitely wasn't racist, and definitely was anti-racist, but passive. And being passive isn't enough. Gotta be anti-racist and actually help people out there that are in need, especially if you're in a more (white) privileged position.

      Glad to hear you've shifted your opinion! I think this is the most important part about these protests right now. It's really drawing attention to something that has been ever present, but often hidden from public sight.

      That said, there's so outrageously much police brutality, way more than I ever knew. Sure, I knew it was bad, but to see those crowd control teams beating up people across the whole nation? And, so many videos of needless violence, cops aiming at eyes, etc etc? Disgusting.

      I'm going to be honest with you. I grew up in a privileged area as an essentially white person. When I was younger, I used to think a lot along similar lines - "sure, things are bad, but they're not really that bad, right"?

      Luckily by the time I was in high school, I had heard of several of my classmates getting shot, caught up in "gang wars", and other aspects of racial inequality. One of my best friends since high school is African American and lives in a city where there were plenty of shootings. I got a first hand exposure to the kind of shit that minorities go through. I also grew up queer, so I had first hand exposure to that kind of bigotry as well, but through the lens of rich white gay folks (which is frankly quite tame) and it wasn't until I started to interact more with people in this city (literally just one city over, mind you) that I then started to see the even more fucked up shit that queer people of color went through.

      It's the exposure to all of this that is waking some Americans up. Many of us live rather sheltered lives where we aren't exposed to this kind of racism and discrimination on a regular basis. A combination of this and the ever-presence of cameras in everyone's pockets is finally disseminating this bad behavior on a level where it's really sinking in to those who are privileged. I don't think it's an issue of

      largely being ignored or people just don't speak up about it

      But more an issue of the channels through which it is usually spread - when you're not directly exposed to it and you're not active in the communities where it is, you simply just don't get the kind of exposure that's happening now. I'm glad it's happening and I'm hoping we get some real change out of it.

      7 votes
  5. [3]
    spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Cincinnati, Ohio police took down the American flag and put up a police flag in its place. I think we should all commend them for their honesty in making clear where their loyalties lie. Elsewhere...

    Cincinnati, Ohio police took down the American flag and put up a police flag in its place.

    I think we should all commend them for their honesty in making clear where their loyalties lie.

    Elsewhere in Ohio, Cleveland police are telling journalists they are not allowed to be downtown.

    In suburban Minneapolis, police patrolling a neighborhood with an armored vehicle escort shot at people for filming on their front porch. You can hear the cops shout "light 'em up!"

    It's time to start calling this martial law.

    11 votes
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      jacoblambda
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      The one tac I'd put on the Minneapolis video in case people don't catch it is that despite their very obviously blatant overexertion of force, the police seem to be using non-lethal rounds. From...

      The one tac I'd put on the Minneapolis video in case people don't catch it is that despite their very obviously blatant overexertion of force, the police seem to be using non-lethal rounds. From the video it seems like some type of ring airfoil projectile as can be seen by what looks like either marking powder or tear gas around the 23 second mark.

      Just want to make it clear that in that video non-lethals are being used as I know several people who thought they were using live rounds and were sharing the video with that attached.

      3 votes
      1. spit-evil-olive-tips
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        Correct, however I've also seen too many pictures this weekend of what "non-lethal" rounds can do when fired at someone's head. Arming police with so many "non-lethal" or more euphemistically...

        Correct, however I've also seen too many pictures this weekend of what "non-lethal" rounds can do when fired at someone's head.

        Arming police with so many "non-lethal" or more euphemistically "less-lethal" weapons seems to be part of the problem. They're much more trigger-happy when they've got rubber-coated bullets, "bean bag" rounds, tear gas, etc.

        8 votes
  6. asoftbird
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    Edit: if you want to help out and you're not sure what to do, start by sharing info like this. it's something! If anyone wants to donate to bail funds, victims or for supply purchases, here's a...

    Edit: if you want to help out and you're not sure what to do, start by sharing info like this. it's something!

    If anyone wants to donate to bail funds, victims or for supply purchases, here's a page with a lot of information on available donation options + other ways to help:

    https://blacklivesmatters.carrd.co/

    Some of these accept paypal, most are Venmo or Cashapp (US only).

    Also check this page for the current most urgent donation goals.

    Apparently the Minnesota fund is overwhelmed with support, they urge you to donate to other funds as well.

    If you're overseas and non-US like me, it's one of the ways you can help.

    9 votes
  7. [2]
    Amarok
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    I think the American protests are specific to the USA for the most part. It's just the continuation of the old race war we've had on the back burner for a couple of decades. I do note one major...

    I think the American protests are specific to the USA for the most part. It's just the continuation of the old race war we've had on the back burner for a couple of decades. I do note one major difference, however... this time, everyone appears to be on the side of people of color. Historically it was far more black vs white, and that seems to be over. This time our riots have a diversity quota.

    Ever look into generational theory before? They say it's been debunked but I'm not so sure. Seems like we're right at the cusp of the institutional failure phase between unraveling and crisis. I wonder if this theory would have benefited from a more fluid presentation that was not so determined to pin down precise motives and timelines.

    6 votes
    1. determinism
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      I first encountered it when reading into Steve Bannon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon

      Ever look into generational theory before?

      I first encountered it when reading into Steve Bannon.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon

      Bannon's strategic thinking has been influenced by Neil Howe's and William Strauss's Fourth Turning theory, which proposes that "populism, nationalism and state-run authoritarianism would soon be on the rise, not just in America but around the world. [... Once one strips] away the extraneous accidents and technology, you are left with only a limited number of social moods, which tend to recur in a fixed order. [...] Forests need periodic fires; rivers need periodic floods. Societies, too."[283] The book is said to have been a major influence on Bannon's film Generation Zero.[284]

      4 votes
  8. Kuromantis
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    Damn, my wish got granted in a month! More seriously though, the modern US police has been under making for at least 50 years since Nixon's war on drugs (which was only a few years after the last...

    Damn, my wish got granted in a month!

    More seriously though, the modern US police has been under making for at least 50 years since Nixon's war on drugs (which was only a few years after the last major civil rights bill and immediately started by the guy who first figured out how to appeal to Southern segregationists, mind you) and no one truly bothered to stop it, not during Bill Clinton's 2 years, not during Obama's, never during any Republican or any Democrat before those 2 so in the end, they were left no choice.

    Yes, small businesses are being hurt
    Yes, this completely contrives social distancing
    Yes, this is likely doing more harm than good.

    But what else is left? Anyone that's decently insensitive and disconnected from this can stay here and be:


    BLARE DAT SHIT LOUDA 4 DA ONEZ IN DA BACK YOOOOOO

    #FUCKTHAPOLICE

    #N.W.A

    #RIPGEORGEFLOYD


    But those who are directly affected by this have been systematically screwed for the last 50 or so years since Nixon's election in 1968 (which was the year the last major civil rights bill passed so arguably their suffering has been unbroken since the Civil War) so for all it's worth, this really is the last choice they have.

    6 votes
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    teaearlgraycold
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    Question for Tildes: Will anything change because of this? Maybe it's just been too long since America's civil rights movement and its successes. As a millennial I've never personally seen racial...

    Question for Tildes: Will anything change because of this?

    Maybe it's just been too long since America's civil rights movement and its successes. As a millennial I've never personally seen racial matters improve. It feels like things have only gotten worse. We've had moments like this before on smaller scales and nothing ever changes. I expect absolutely nothing to change.

    6 votes
    1. NaraVara
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      They’ve been steadily improving our whole lives. What’s happening right now is a blowback against the progress. The fact that you’re hearing about the shit that’s happening is an improvement over...

      As a millennial I've never personally seen racial matters improve.

      They’ve been steadily improving our whole lives. What’s happening right now is a blowback against the progress. The fact that you’re hearing about the shit that’s happening is an improvement over the days when it was accepted and taken as a given. The fact that the racists feel threatened enough to pick fights is a sign of progress. A real sea change was never going to happen without things coming to a head like this. We just wish we had a competent leader in charge to steer us through times of transition like these instead of the dingus we’re saddled with.

      11 votes
    2. Flashynuff
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      I don't know if it will be good or bad, but tensions are the highest I've ever seen. Something has to give. We'll have to fight like hell to make sure the change is good.

      I don't know if it will be good or bad, but tensions are the highest I've ever seen. Something has to give. We'll have to fight like hell to make sure the change is good.

      7 votes
  10. [3]
    determinism
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    I'm interested in understanding the various ways that people relate to their local police forces and hold them to account. I live in a small suburb of a moderate-sized city - basically surrounded...

    I'm interested in understanding the various ways that people relate to their local police forces and hold them to account. I live in a small suburb of a moderate-sized city - basically surrounded on all sides by that city but governed independently. The mayor is elected every four years and appoints a chief of police. This mayor is accountable to rough 10k people.

    I know that part of the "scale" of democratic oversight is baked in to the size of the community, this seems like a flaw to me. If there is an ideal number of people who share authority over their local government and police (whatever that number is), efforts should be made to keep that number relatively consistent. Large cities should either be broken up or restructured so that neighborhoods are electing their local executives (police chiefs?) rather than having them be appointed by the city mayor. Alternatively, citizen oversight boards seem like a viable band-aid but often they are opposed by the FOP and end up acting more as toothless adversaries with little power to enforce their recommendations.

    I was looking for information about the BLM movement's demands, curious to know if they have a similar vision for reform - I couldn't really find anything other than what appeared to be some reactionary propaganda. The BLM website has a good summary of their guiding principles but doesn't really list anything concrete as far as demands.

    4 votes
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      TheRtRevKaiser
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      I'm not sure how widespread it is among protesters, but Campaign Zero has a list of policy proposals related to police brutality.

      I'm not sure how widespread it is among protesters, but Campaign Zero has a list of policy proposals related to police brutality.

      2 votes
      1. determinism
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        https://www.joincampaignzero.org/oversight The Police Commission should: *determine policy for the police department based on community input and expertise *share policy and policy changes in...

        https://www.joincampaignzero.org/oversight


        The Police Commission should:

        *determine policy for the police department based on community input and expertise
        *share policy and policy changes in publicly accessible formats
        *discipline and dismiss police officers
        *hold public disciplinary hearings
        *select the candidates for Police Chief, to be hired by the Mayor
        *evaluate and fire the Police Chief, if needed
        *receive full-time, competitive salaries for all members
        *receive regular training on policing and civil rights
        *not have current, former or family of police officers as members
        *select its members from candidates offered by community organizations
        

        A lot of these seem like good ideas, the only thing that gives me pause is that none of these proposed oversight structures seem to be democratically elected from the general population. They do have notes about requiring candidates to be pre-screened or selected from a pool that has been selected by local organizations - they don't specify what those organizations are. They could resolve the ambiguity by proposing that these be elected positions within the precinct that they are overseeing. I also wonder how a parallel power structure will be viewed by the police force in the short and long-term. They will obviously work to dismantle it, especially if their budgets are constrained by one another. I would prefer to see the existing power structure be modified so that police captains are elected positions.

        5 votes
  11. moonbathers
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    The Omaha bar owner who murdered a protestor isn't being charged at all. The county attorney showed a video which actually makes the situation worse: Gardner (the bar owner) was on his back and...

    The Omaha bar owner who murdered a protestor isn't being charged at all. The county attorney showed a video which actually makes the situation worse: Gardner (the bar owner) was on his back and fired a shot and then Scurlock (the victim) rushed him to try and disarm him and was killed for it. There's no way there isn't a big fucking riot tonight.

    4 votes
  12. moonbathers
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    A protester in Omaha was killed last night by a racist bar owner looking to start some shit.

    A protester in Omaha was killed last night by a racist bar owner looking to start some shit.

    3 votes
  13. [3]
    asoftbird
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    In the meantime, the orange bastard's hiding in a bunker. Another striking video of a NBC news reporter slamming her papers on the table, looking very tired.
    3 votes
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      cfabbro
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      Just FYI, the context of her slamming the paper down was that they kept having technical difficulties throughout the broadcast (e.g. losing audio and video feeds from their reporters on the...

      Just FYI, the context of her slamming the paper down was that they kept having technical difficulties throughout the broadcast (e.g. losing audio and video feeds from their reporters on the ground), so her frustration was likely more to do with that than anything else.

      https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1266915854144307204

      7 votes
      1. asoftbird
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        Right, still weird to see though. Thanks for the factcheck.

        Right, still weird to see though. Thanks for the factcheck.

        1 vote
  14. MonkeyPants
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    Have you had the misfortune of having a negative encounter with police officers?

    Yes

    Care to tell your story?

    No

    2 votes