Its good Whedon isn't involved, his vision for the show - being a thinly veiled Confederate Lost Cause in space, speaking Chinese without any Chinese people, and specifically his plans for Inara -...
Its good Whedon isn't involved, his vision for the show - being a thinly veiled Confederate Lost Cause in space, speaking Chinese without any Chinese people, and specifically his plans for Inara - is better left in the past.
I am not sure that this will be good...but it falls into a "just don't watch" if I don't want to. I am not nearly as excited as I would have been 20 years ago.
Is there an actual source for this claim? And I do mean an actual source. I've already suffered through reading the blog posts and social media comments that amount to "westerns are set after the...
a thinly veiled Confederate Lost Cause in space
Is there an actual source for this claim?
And I do mean an actual source. I've already suffered through reading the blog posts and social media comments that amount to "westerns are set after the Civil War and Firefly is a space western set after a civil war". An analysis I find unconvincing.
... what sort of a source is admissible for literary criticism? Like, should someone hook Joss Whedon up to a lie detector and waterboard him? "Tell me where the fascists are!! Were the Hands of...
... what sort of a source is admissible for literary criticism? Like, should someone hook Joss Whedon up to a lie detector and waterboard him? "Tell me where the fascists are!! Were the Hands of Blue an allegory?!?!"
I don't follow American history, so here's a quote about the "Lost Cause" trope, for anyone in the audience to whom that reference went over their head as well.
The great lie of the Lost Cause was that the eleven Confederate states seceded from the Union not to preserve slavery but to defend states’ rights and the Southern way of life. It calls the North the aggressor: its big-city capitalist elites were accused of trying to bend the Southern plantation economy to their will. The chivalrous South only lost the war because its noble troops and generals, in particular Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, were overwhelmed by the drilled and mechanized armies of the North, who were led by men of low moral standards, such as Ulysses Grant and William Sherman. (Never Was Mag, "Lost Cause: Genre Trope to Avoid")
Agreed. I've seen what happens when a show or movie I like has some extra continuation tacked on too many times to be completely on board, and putting this in between the show and the movie...
Agreed. I've seen what happens when a show or movie I like has some extra continuation tacked on too many times to be completely on board, and putting this in between the show and the movie doesn't give a whole lot of room for places they can go. Plus there's the Adam Baldwin of it all, but that's probably a non-negotiable for a reunion reboot deal.
I know about Joss Whedon and I’m glad he’s not involved (yet curious about the legal means by which a new group can take control of his creation)… but I’m not familiar with Adam Baldwin being...
I know about Joss Whedon and I’m glad he’s not involved (yet curious about the legal means by which a new group can take control of his creation)… but I’m not familiar with Adam Baldwin being problematic. What’s that about?
In general I’m pleased to see a 100% full cast reunion, minus Ron Glass, RIP. It would be fun to hear Mark Sheppard and Christina Hendricks come back as guests too. I’m probably forgetting some of the other side characters, it’s been a while.
I do think the success of this will rest on the strength of the writing, and I share @sparkle’s reservations about the team that’s been announced. Despite everything else, Whedon was very deft with world-building, character development, and witty dialogue. I’m not sure if the new torch-bearers will be able to continue with the same finesse. I’m also curious what it’s going to look like; the quality of the animation is just as capable of making or breaking this.
Let's not forget that the only characters that are supposed to be Chinese in any way, are both performed by strictly white actors, in stereotypical roles (Doctor and Kung Fu master). Or the thinly...
Let's not forget that the only characters that are supposed to be Chinese in any way, are both performed by strictly white actors, in stereotypical roles (Doctor and Kung Fu master).
Or the thinly veiled Reaver/"savage natives" allegory, due to being a "Western in space".
The more you actually think about what's on screen with Firefly, the more problems it reveals.
Well this doesn't give me great hope. Almost as red-flaggy as finding out the Shannara TV series would be airing on MTV. At least the first two seasons of Arrow weren't awful, but it's one of the...
Married writing-producing team Marc Guggenheim (DC’s Legends of Tomorrow, Arrow)
Well this doesn't give me great hope. Almost as red-flaggy as finding out the Shannara TV series would be airing on MTV. At least the first two seasons of Arrow weren't awful, but it's one of the few shows I've stopped watching mid-way because it became unbearable.
It doesn't sound like they'll be adapting any existing work as the comics only cover post-Serenity if I recall (maybe some flashbacks) and this series will take place between Firefly and Serenity? Sounds safer as audiences are more familiar with it. The comics weren't particularly great anyway.
Personally I'm actually happy with the brief time we got in the 'verse. When I was younger I wanted more but now that I look back, I'm more of the mind that it ended in a good place. Maybe one more season would have been ok but I fear it would have rapidly gone downhill and then it would go the way of GoT.
I've also personally been getting real tired of all the "nostalgia porn", for lack of a better term. Capitalism ruined Hollywood by incentivizing only making safe stuff. Nobody wants to take a gamble on anything and create something truly unique. But I suppose I'm not the target audience so I'll go back in my curmudgeonly corner >:)
Its good Whedon isn't involved, his vision for the show - being a thinly veiled Confederate Lost Cause in space, speaking Chinese without any Chinese people, and specifically his plans for Inara - is better left in the past.
I am not sure that this will be good...but it falls into a "just don't watch" if I don't want to. I am not nearly as excited as I would have been 20 years ago.
Is there an actual source for this claim?
And I do mean an actual source. I've already suffered through reading the blog posts and social media comments that amount to "westerns are set after the Civil War and Firefly is a space western set after a civil war". An analysis I find unconvincing.
... what sort of a source is admissible for literary criticism? Like, should someone hook Joss Whedon up to a lie detector and waterboard him? "Tell me where the fascists are!! Were the Hands of Blue an allegory?!?!"
I don't follow American history, so here's a quote about the "Lost Cause" trope, for anyone in the audience to whom that reference went over their head as well.
Agreed. I've seen what happens when a show or movie I like has some extra continuation tacked on too many times to be completely on board, and putting this in between the show and the movie doesn't give a whole lot of room for places they can go. Plus there's the Adam Baldwin of it all, but that's probably a non-negotiable for a reunion reboot deal.
I know about Joss Whedon and I’m glad he’s not involved (yet curious about the legal means by which a new group can take control of his creation)… but I’m not familiar with Adam Baldwin being problematic. What’s that about?
In general I’m pleased to see a 100% full cast reunion, minus Ron Glass, RIP. It would be fun to hear Mark Sheppard and Christina Hendricks come back as guests too. I’m probably forgetting some of the other side characters, it’s been a while.
I do think the success of this will rest on the strength of the writing, and I share @sparkle’s reservations about the team that’s been announced. Despite everything else, Whedon was very deft with world-building, character development, and witty dialogue. I’m not sure if the new torch-bearers will be able to continue with the same finesse. I’m also curious what it’s going to look like; the quality of the animation is just as capable of making or breaking this.
I hope it’s great.
Let's not forget that the only characters that are supposed to be Chinese in any way, are both performed by strictly white actors, in stereotypical roles (Doctor and Kung Fu master).
Or the thinly veiled Reaver/"savage natives" allegory, due to being a "Western in space".
The more you actually think about what's on screen with Firefly, the more problems it reveals.
I'm in.
Sure, I could adopt a cynical attitude and think about all the ways it could go wrong. But I am ready to believe in something magical.
Well this doesn't give me great hope. Almost as red-flaggy as finding out the Shannara TV series would be airing on MTV. At least the first two seasons of Arrow weren't awful, but it's one of the few shows I've stopped watching mid-way because it became unbearable.
It doesn't sound like they'll be adapting any existing work as the comics only cover post-Serenity if I recall (maybe some flashbacks) and this series will take place between Firefly and Serenity? Sounds safer as audiences are more familiar with it. The comics weren't particularly great anyway.
Personally I'm actually happy with the brief time we got in the 'verse. When I was younger I wanted more but now that I look back, I'm more of the mind that it ended in a good place. Maybe one more season would have been ok but I fear it would have rapidly gone downhill and then it would go the way of GoT.
I've also personally been getting real tired of all the "nostalgia porn", for lack of a better term. Capitalism ruined Hollywood by incentivizing only making safe stuff. Nobody wants to take a gamble on anything and create something truly unique. But I suppose I'm not the target audience so I'll go back in my curmudgeonly corner >:)
You don't think shows like Severance or Pluribus had unique elements?