SSD required is absolutely wild just because of the size of it. Yes, SSDs are more affordable, but at ~1TB/$50 on the average-end, that's asking for about 15% of a drive. Even more insane given...
SSD required is absolutely wild just because of the size of it.
Yes, SSDs are more affordable, but at ~1TB/$50 on the average-end, that's asking for about 15% of a drive. Even more insane given the relatively meager system requirements relative to how most things have been lately.
As for the size, this is a game where the disk requirement is justifiable. The scale is massive. Other games it just seems down to crunch time and a lack of priority to optimization.
As for the size, this is a game where the disk requirement is justifiable. The scale is massive. Other games it just seems down to crunch time and a lack of priority to optimization.
From Godd Howard himself. However I must repeat it was just for graphics engine work, but that's going to be important for this game. I don't want tonset anybody's expectations so high they have a...
From Godd Howard himself.
However I must repeat it was just for graphics engine work, but that's going to be important for this game. I don't want tonset anybody's expectations so high they have a worse opinion of the game but people were running with the idea iD helped with combat, which isn't true.
Yeah, that’s like a downright reasonable list for recommended specs. I’m surprised it’s such lighter hardware than what’s needed for Cities Skylines 2.
Yeah, that’s like a downright reasonable list for recommended specs.
I’m surprised it’s such lighter hardware than what’s needed for Cities Skylines 2.
Cities Skylines 1 is already a massive resource hog. I appreciate there's complaints about optimization there, but it's also rendering an absolutely massive number of things and tracking millions...
Cities Skylines 1 is already a massive resource hog. I appreciate there's complaints about optimization there, but it's also rendering an absolutely massive number of things and tracking millions of little data points - from CS2 videos, it looks like it's a much bigger and much more complicated product.
How many HDD gamers are left? There's just too many advantages to SSDs. I shudder thinking about going back to load screens. It is a bit wild to think I'll be paying $5.50 worth of SSD storage for...
How many HDD gamers are left? There's just too many advantages to SSDs. I shudder thinking about going back to load screens. It is a bit wild to think I'll be paying $5.50 worth of SSD storage for a single game though. I guess if you can afford the game then you can afford the space. Imagine storing COD Modern Warfare at 175GB, you know a lot of people won't put that on an HDD.
I boot off of an SSD, but then I have a 14TB HDD for most of my games. I know quite a few people who do similar. Boot SSD, then use old various drives for the rest of their games and things.
I boot off of an SSD, but then I have a 14TB HDD for most of my games. I know quite a few people who do similar. Boot SSD, then use old various drives for the rest of their games and things.
I have a 200 gb SSD that i boot off of and it usually has 1 game on it that really needs it, which is usually Path of Exile or Dota 2 but I can't fit both
I have a 200 gb SSD that i boot off of and it usually has 1 game on it that really needs it, which is usually Path of Exile or Dota 2 but I can't fit both
I have a Series X but my PC has an HDD. I haven't needed to upgrade so I haven't bothered. No real reason to. Load screens don't matter to me when I can just dick around on the internet while the...
I have a Series X but my PC has an HDD. I haven't needed to upgrade so I haven't bothered. No real reason to. Load screens don't matter to me when I can just dick around on the internet while the game loads.
Have been SSD exclusive for well over a decade, I can't comprehend that this is even a discussion point in 2023. Why do people have gaming PC's and cripple them with 1960's storage tech?
Have been SSD exclusive for well over a decade, I can't comprehend that this is even a discussion point in 2023. Why do people have gaming PC's and cripple them with 1960's storage tech?
I understand where you're coming from, but please understand that Tildes is an international website, not everyone lives under the US dollar, and what is cheap for you may be exceedingly expensive...
I understand where you're coming from, but please understand that Tildes is an international website, not everyone lives under the US dollar, and what is cheap for you may be exceedingly expensive to others.
You can still make your point, but, please, try to exercise some courtesy for those that may not be able to acquire the perfect gaming machine.
Am not in the US. When you factor in all the costs for the other components for a gaming PC, it makes literally no sense to cheap out on storage that will hold back the performance of the whole PC.
Am not in the US.
When you factor in all the costs for the other components for a gaming PC, it makes literally no sense to cheap out on storage that will hold back the performance of the whole PC.
1 Argentine peso equals 0.0040 US dolars. The Brazilian real is 0.21 US dollars. 1 rupee is 0.012 US dollars. The Russian ruble is the same. The Ukrainian hryvnia is currently 0.027 US dollars....
1 Argentine peso equals 0.0040 US dolars. The Brazilian real is 0.21 US dollars. 1 rupee is 0.012 US dollars. The Russian ruble is the same. The Ukrainian hryvnia is currently 0.027 US dollars. And so on.
Have you considered the possibility of someone not having enough money to invest in all the best components of a machine all at once? Or having to reuse components they already own?
Again, I get your point, but there's a way to be nice about it. This confrontational tone is not required for your argument.
Their tone is especially unnecessary about something as trivial as a gaming PC. You make a good point about various other countries not having the same standard, but their argument doesn’t even...
Their tone is especially unnecessary about something as trivial as a gaming PC. You make a good point about various other countries not having the same standard, but their argument doesn’t even hold up to others in countries with strong currencies. I use an SSD to boot and keep some games and then use HDDs for cheap mass storage and for games that don’t need SSD performance. To that poster, it’s still a “discussion point” because SSDs may be more common but are in no way at the same point as HDDs.
In a charitable interpretation, I could reconstruct the argument as such:
In a charitable interpretation, I could reconstruct the argument as such:
Given the context of the US and other highly lucrative markets where computer parts are affordable enough, it is reasonable for developers to require large SSDs for AAA games which would have to greatly reduce their scope and graphical fidelity otherwise. It's unfortunate that not every gamers will be able to play these games as of now, but that's a natural and unavoidable consequence of the need for constant technical advancements in the art form.
Requirements don't seem completely ridiculous. The SSD and DirectX 12 has me thinking this might be a DirectStorage game, which I am certainly not opposed to.
Requirements don't seem completely ridiculous. The SSD and DirectX 12 has me thinking this might be a DirectStorage game, which I am certainly not opposed to.
The information about DirectStorage is still relatively frantic, but weren't there a bunch of issues with Forspoken and DirectStorage not working on Windows 10?
The information about DirectStorage is still relatively frantic, but weren't there a bunch of issues with Forspoken and DirectStorage not working on Windows 10?
Forgive someone who doesn't know a lot about how game programming works (but is technical), what does it mean if a game is "DirectStorage"? Is that the technology that the PS5 uses to speed up...
Forgive someone who doesn't know a lot about how game programming works (but is technical), what does it mean if a game is "DirectStorage"? Is that the technology that the PS5 uses to speed up load times or whatever? I remember hearing something about that.
I really need to be convinced out of preordering this game, ugh. I love old Bethesda jank, Fallout 3 used to be one of my favorite games ever. (over New Vegas too lol), but also I've been so...
I really need to be convinced out of preordering this game, ugh. I love old Bethesda jank, Fallout 3 used to be one of my favorite games ever. (over New Vegas too lol), but also I've been so burned on preordering (Cyberpunk 2077 anyone?)
I never pre-order, and never feel like I miss out. Steam isn't going to run out of copies. I remember having to pre-order back in the day and if you showed up two days late they'd sell your copy...
I never pre-order, and never feel like I miss out. Steam isn't going to run out of copies. I remember having to pre-order back in the day and if you showed up two days late they'd sell your copy to someone else and you'd have to wait.
What do you feel like you're missing out on by pre-ordering now? I usually avoid even looking at "pre-order bonuses" and don't ever feel like the game sucks without them. Occasionally, I will pre-order if the bonus is really good, particularly like if I'm playing an MMO with friends and pre-ordering gives you early access.
I usually buy a few days after launch. Enough to hear if the launch is a mess or game is fun. I mean that’s if it’s a game I really want. Otherwise yes, get it on sale years later. Patient gamers...
I usually buy a few days after launch. Enough to hear if the launch is a mess or game is fun. I mean that’s if it’s a game I really want. Otherwise yes, get it on sale years later. Patient gamers unite.
Lol. That was the last time I stood in line for a midnight launch. I never finished the game, haven't tried to avoid anything, and still have no idea how it ends.
Lol. That was the last time I stood in line for a midnight launch. I never finished the game, haven't tried to avoid anything, and still have no idea how it ends.
You can always purchase it after it releases. There's effectively no reason to pay now for something that's not coming to later, especially given there's no meaningful discount and you're more...
You can always purchase it after it releases.
There's effectively no reason to pay now for something that's not coming to later, especially given there's no meaningful discount and you're more likely to see sales post-release than pre-.
And if it's another CP77 on launch, you will have paid full price for something not worth full price.
Yeah that's totally fair. I'm not married to the idea of pre-ordering of course. I love the "midnight release" types of feelings and such. Definitely balking because of past experiences though for...
Yeah that's totally fair. I'm not married to the idea of pre-ordering of course. I love the "midnight release" types of feelings and such. Definitely balking because of past experiences though for sure.
You can always buy at midnight; or even wait until 1AM if you're wanting to balance caution V early access. I tend to be predisposed to wait a week or two and see what reviews say, but I totally...
You can always buy at midnight; or even wait until 1AM if you're wanting to balance caution V early access.
I tend to be predisposed to wait a week or two and see what reviews say, but I totally get that launch-day frenzy and have absolutely joined that on a couple titles.
I think for me it's probably gonna be whenever the review embargo lifts. As someone who tends to have slower internet I think I value preloading a bit more
I think for me it's probably gonna be whenever the review embargo lifts. As someone who tends to have slower internet I think I value preloading a bit more
Well, you should still be able to return it through Steam regardless of if you pre-ordered it, unless I'm misinformed about how the return policy works? As long as you don't have more than like 2...
Well, you should still be able to return it through Steam regardless of if you pre-ordered it, unless I'm misinformed about how the return policy works? As long as you don't have more than like 2 hours playtime Steam should accept a return mostly with no questions asked, and they'll usually accept it with a bit more playtime but it gets somewhat involved with customer support.
That said, a lot of game studios front-load all of their resources and polish towards the beginning of a game if they're under a crunched schedule, so you don't see the jank until well past the typical return window. Steam has made exceptions for particularly bad software though, CP2077 being a noteworthy example for how spectacularly poor the quality was at launch. I don't know what the dev timeline for Starfield was like in the slightest, but I would hope 25 years is enough time to do it right (though Cyberpunk was also in development for over 10 years or something)
I'm sharing a gamepass with a couple of friends (I was surprised Microsoft even allows that) and it's by far the best value in gaming right IMO. Starfield is going to be on the gamepass day 1.
I'm sharing a gamepass with a couple of friends (I was surprised Microsoft even allows that) and it's by far the best value in gaming right IMO. Starfield is going to be on the gamepass day 1.
I do like to preload and also there usually are pre-order discounts on third party sites (I see one on GMG right now for 20% off or something). Plus I just kinda like the feeling of midnight...
I do like to preload and also there usually are pre-order discounts on third party sites (I see one on GMG right now for 20% off or something). Plus I just kinda like the feeling of midnight unlocks and playing it immediately! (I watched the new SpiderVerse movie literally as early as I could haha)
At least with Steam, I've been just pre-ordering maybe the day before release if there are pre-order bonuses to collect. I'm unfortunately the kind of fool that is all too soon parted with his...
At least with Steam, I've been just pre-ordering maybe the day before release if there are pre-order bonuses to collect. I'm unfortunately the kind of fool that is all too soon parted with his money when there's extra content to be had in a thing, but I've found that at least pre-ordering as late as possible means that I have the chance to see early reviews if available, and the opportunity to refund (on Steam) if it turns out to be a complete disaster.
In the case of Starfield, I'll be nabbing the pre-order just before the early release since I've got an important life event the day following the regular release and I'll need those extra days to get some of the obsession out of my system beforehand.
I guess there's little hope of it being playable on my steamdeck. I wrecked the motherboard on my computer (i7-6700) and am now gaming on a borrowed system with an i5-3570K + the 6600xt out of my...
I guess there's little hope of it being playable on my steamdeck.
I wrecked the motherboard on my computer (i7-6700) and am now gaming on a borrowed system with an i5-3570K + the 6600xt out of my old system. That CPU is noticeably worse than the steamdeck let alone the i7 I had or a modern computer.
No money for an upgrade this year. Maybe next year.
I can't imagine it being a smooth play on the Deck, but we'll see. It'd be nice if streaming could be integrated more cleanly into the Steam client and Deck UI. Like if there'd be a little stream...
I can't imagine it being a smooth play on the Deck, but we'll see. It'd be nice if streaming could be integrated more cleanly into the Steam client and Deck UI. Like if there'd be a little stream button as an alternative to installing a game. That way your save would also be easily accessible once you do get the hardware for it. As much as I appreciate the value of Game Pass Ultimate, its dependence on the Microsoft Store's infrastructure can be hassle -- especially wrt save management/compatibility.
Ya, I expect it would be a slideshow on the steam deck. I havent tried streaming at all on the deck but on an iPad the Geforce Now webapp worked pretty well for the short time I tried it. Does it...
Ya, I expect it would be a slideshow on the steam deck.
I havent tried streaming at all on the deck but on an iPad the Geforce Now webapp worked pretty well for the short time I tried it. Does it not sync save files to steam?
I haven't looked into that one so much. I suppose you'd use on the Deck via an installed browser. Not as seamless as I'd like, but perhaps worth a sub for a big game like this.
I haven't looked into that one so much. I suppose you'd use on the Deck via an installed browser. Not as seamless as I'd like, but perhaps worth a sub for a big game like this.
So I just looked it up and one tutorial is basically just that but with extra steps to make it all work nice. They used MS Edge browser (compatibility I guess?), did stuff something for controller...
So I just looked it up and one tutorial is basically just that but with extra steps to make it all work nice. They used MS Edge browser (compatibility I guess?), did stuff something for controller support, added it to the steam library, and added a launch option that sets screen size and the link to the streaming service.
Idk if this is reasonable, but I've bee and pondering a series s just for starfield. My pc is ancient (i5 2500k, 850ti) and my wife has mostly converted me to consoles, so I have an Xbox 1s and a...
Idk if this is reasonable, but I've bee and pondering a series s just for starfield. My pc is ancient (i5 2500k, 850ti) and my wife has mostly converted me to consoles, so I have an Xbox 1s and a ps5. It's more affordable to buy a new series S than to event attempt to spec up my pc...
Might be worth considering for you too. I'll probably sell the Xbox 1 for 80-100$ and pick up the series a. Unless my local uni decides to sell a pc that's one gpu away from being able to run starfield, which I seriously doubt.
Ya... That's probably the most realistic option. Computers with 6th gen Intel processors and newer can be had cheap if you're patient and keep looking, but the deals are usually on dell's or other...
Ya... That's probably the most realistic option. Computers with 6th gen Intel processors and newer can be had cheap if you're patient and keep looking, but the deals are usually on dell's or other hard to upgrade systems. Then you need a graphics card and probably a new power supply.
I used consoles for a long time and I've been moving towards Linux PC, but its really hard on a small budget.
Yeah, as my college/grad school era machines age, they've been getting the Linux treatment. Keeps them in use as browsing/ streaming/ email/ retro gaming tools. So glad Linux systems finally...
Yeah, as my college/grad school era machines age, they've been getting the Linux treatment. Keeps them in use as browsing/ streaming/ email/ retro gaming tools. So glad Linux systems finally support smooth streaming video! But for modern games... It just doesn't make economic sense. My last pc buy was an older dell with the aforementioned i5. I put in a bunch of ram, as fast as the mobo supported, and the 850ti which was the best I could find in the form factor the pc could accommodate in 2017 or whatever it was. Still put more money into that than I did into buying the xbone new when the wife and I got together.
I always liked the flexibility of a pc, but pretty much everything gets ported both ways now, and between used games and gamepass even the potential to pirate really doesn't make up the cost difference. Just a decent GPU is as much as a ps5 now.
The lack of any mention of raytracing in either the marketing material or the system reqs has me a bit disappointed - Starfield looks like it could benefit greatly from ray traced (local) shadows.
The lack of any mention of raytracing in either the marketing material or the system reqs has me a bit disappointed - Starfield looks like it could benefit greatly from ray traced (local) shadows.
The performance in the videos felt a little rough. No surprise, it's a very detailed game with a lot of content. I am not expecting a smooth game when it arrives. This kind of implies RT, while...
The performance in the videos felt a little rough. No surprise, it's a very detailed game with a lot of content. I am not expecting a smooth game when it arrives. This kind of implies RT, while nice, cannot happen - they don't have the performance overhead for it.
Skyrim is still being played a decade and then some after release. It's easy enough to slot in a RTX 9090 down the line, less easy to bolt on raytracing.
Skyrim is still being played a decade and then some after release. It's easy enough to slot in a RTX 9090 down the line, less easy to bolt on raytracing.
Fair point. At least they aren't wasting development time on it, hopefully to maximize resources to get what they have working well. Remains to be seen of course.
Fair point. At least they aren't wasting development time on it, hopefully to maximize resources to get what they have working well. Remains to be seen of course.
My hope is iD's work on the graphics side of things helped with advanced features that didn't previously exist in Creation Engine to bringnit up to what Cyberpunk and No Man's Sky can do for...
My hope is iD's work on the graphics side of things helped with advanced features that didn't previously exist in Creation Engine to bringnit up to what Cyberpunk and No Man's Sky can do for optimization and adjustment.
Woah. Is Bethesda working with iD on this? This is like the first game in years that I’m looking forward to enough to play on day one (might even take a day off work for it!) and I’ve been...
Woah. Is Bethesda working with iD on this?
This is like the first game in years that I’m looking forward to enough to play on day one (might even take a day off work for it!) and I’ve been avoiding every spoiler I can.
IIRC iD was brought on to help with the guns & framerate after the first gameplay showcase. I also heard Microsoft ordered a bunch of their internal studios & teams to help with Starfield, but...
IIRC iD was brought on to help with the guns & framerate after the first gameplay showcase.
I also heard Microsoft ordered a bunch of their internal studios & teams to help with Starfield, but that's just a rumour.
Well crap, a game is finally coming out that probably won't run on my 9yo GTX 980. Random thought, why don't they have maximum in addition to minimum and recommended?
Well crap, a game is finally coming out that probably won't run on my 9yo GTX 980.
Random thought, why don't they have maximum in addition to minimum and recommended?
Yes, everything turned as high as it will go including Graphics, Sound and AI settings. If it isn't available yet, wouldn't having "Maximum: Not playable on current hardware" be something to...
Yes, everything turned as high as it will go including Graphics, Sound and AI settings. If it isn't available yet, wouldn't having "Maximum: Not playable on current hardware" be something to advertise at launch?
I'd be surprised if they couldn't come up with something even if it turns out you'd need a supercomputer.
Max: 4 high end video cards, 4 CPUs & 2TB RAM
Ok, those don't look outrageous (other than storage). I havent actually seen much of the starfield trailer and gameplay, but it looks extremely interesting to me. I love stuff like elite:...
Ok, those don't look outrageous (other than storage). I havent actually seen much of the starfield trailer and gameplay, but it looks extremely interesting to me. I love stuff like elite: dangerous and was thinking about getting into starcitizen, but didn't for a big reason. It doesn't work on my steam deck, that is my only gaming device, I don't have the space or the desire for a gaming tower, so I need this to run on my steam deck. It looks like it will, but time will tell.
But yes anyway, space operas where you get to fly spaceships are awesome and I'll preorder it because I'm an idiot.
Sweet. Doesn't look too bad. I think I'm holding out on per-ordering. I'll wait for a few patches to fix some of the bethesda jank. I'll eat my words if it's actually relatively problem free.
Sweet. Doesn't look too bad. I think I'm holding out on per-ordering. I'll wait for a few patches to fix some of the bethesda jank. I'll eat my words if it's actually relatively problem free.
I pretty much have the recommended specs, which is surprising. I figured the recommended graphics card would be in the 30 series. Super excited for this. I wonder if my game pass subscription will...
I pretty much have the recommended specs, which is surprising. I figured the recommended graphics card would be in the 30 series. Super excited for this. I wonder if my game pass subscription will get me the few days of early access you get from preordering.
My plan with this is to try it and play it vanilla on game pass, then down the line when mods are going wild for it pick it up on sale on steam. Really glad they showed so much of it off the other day. I was kinda lukewarm on it before that.
I don't think my computer is up to the task, but I do have an XSS that I barely use right now. In any case, I imagine low settings will help, and a performance mod is bound to happen at some point.
I don't think my computer is up to the task, but I do have an XSS that I barely use right now. In any case, I imagine low settings will help, and a performance mod is bound to happen at some point.
In an interview, Todd said he's played it mostly on series S (cause his kids hog the X at home) and apparently he's satisfied with the performance. If this shows to be true when the game launches,...
In an interview, Todd said he's played it mostly on series S (cause his kids hog the X at home) and apparently he's satisfied with the performance. If this shows to be true when the game launches, I may buy a series s just for starfield
Welp, looks like it's time to put my 1070 out to pasture. I'm finally not meeting minimum requirements. My i7-7700K looks like it'll be able to hold on for a bit longer.
Welp, looks like it's time to put my 1070 out to pasture. I'm finally not meeting minimum requirements. My i7-7700K looks like it'll be able to hold on for a bit longer.
System Requirements
SSD required is absolutely wild just because of the size of it.
Yes, SSDs are more affordable, but at ~1TB/$50 on the average-end, that's asking for about 15% of a drive. Even more insane given the relatively meager system requirements relative to how most things have been lately.
Loading assets in memory that large from rust-based platters is quite slow, we saw what happened with the release of Cyberpunk 2077 on PS4/X1.
It's 2023, SSDs should've been the minimum require for years now.
As for the size, this is a game where the disk requirement is justifiable. The scale is massive. Other games it just seems down to crunch time and a lack of priority to optimization.
They claimed the same about Cyberpunk 2077 but all that happened was a slower load time
Yeah, it runs fine off of SDD, your load times and pop-in get a little worse. No big deal all told, IMO.
From Godd Howard himself.
However I must repeat it was just for graphics engine work, but that's going to be important for this game. I don't want tonset anybody's expectations so high they have a worse opinion of the game but people were running with the idea iD helped with combat, which isn't true.
Yeah, that’s like a downright reasonable list for recommended specs.
I’m surprised it’s such lighter hardware than what’s needed for Cities Skylines 2.
Cities Skylines 1 is already a massive resource hog. I appreciate there's complaints about optimization there, but it's also rendering an absolutely massive number of things and tracking millions of little data points - from CS2 videos, it looks like it's a much bigger and much more complicated product.
How many HDD gamers are left? There's just too many advantages to SSDs. I shudder thinking about going back to load screens. It is a bit wild to think I'll be paying $5.50 worth of SSD storage for a single game though. I guess if you can afford the game then you can afford the space. Imagine storing COD Modern Warfare at 175GB, you know a lot of people won't put that on an HDD.
I boot off of an SSD, but then I have a 14TB HDD for most of my games. I know quite a few people who do similar. Boot SSD, then use old various drives for the rest of their games and things.
I have a 200 gb SSD that i boot off of and it usually has 1 game on it that really needs it, which is usually Path of Exile or Dota 2 but I can't fit both
I use both. I have a SSD for stuff I definitely want to boot quickly, but I have a huge HDD for general storage and low-resource games.
my most intensive games are on a 1tb drive, but I have 14tb of spinning rust for everything else.
I have a Series X but my PC has an HDD. I haven't needed to upgrade so I haven't bothered. No real reason to. Load screens don't matter to me when I can just dick around on the internet while the game loads.
Have been SSD exclusive for well over a decade, I can't comprehend that this is even a discussion point in 2023. Why do people have gaming PC's and cripple them with 1960's storage tech?
Because not everyone can afford it
500GB SSDs are the cost of a 1TB or 2TB HDD here. And with how big games are these days, I prefer to have an HDD.
I understand where you're coming from, but please understand that Tildes is an international website, not everyone lives under the US dollar, and what is cheap for you may be exceedingly expensive to others.
You can still make your point, but, please, try to exercise some courtesy for those that may not be able to acquire the perfect gaming machine.
Am not in the US.
When you factor in all the costs for the other components for a gaming PC, it makes literally no sense to cheap out on storage that will hold back the performance of the whole PC.
1 Argentine peso equals 0.0040 US dolars. The Brazilian real is 0.21 US dollars. 1 rupee is 0.012 US dollars. The Russian ruble is the same. The Ukrainian hryvnia is currently 0.027 US dollars. And so on.
Have you considered the possibility of someone not having enough money to invest in all the best components of a machine all at once? Or having to reuse components they already own?
Again, I get your point, but there's a way to be nice about it. This confrontational tone is not required for your argument.
Their tone is especially unnecessary about something as trivial as a gaming PC. You make a good point about various other countries not having the same standard, but their argument doesn’t even hold up to others in countries with strong currencies. I use an SSD to boot and keep some games and then use HDDs for cheap mass storage and for games that don’t need SSD performance. To that poster, it’s still a “discussion point” because SSDs may be more common but are in no way at the same point as HDDs.
In a charitable interpretation, I could reconstruct the argument as such:
An SSD is practically a requirement to run Windows these days. It's truly amazing how much the OS itself bogs down on slow storage these days.
Requirements don't seem completely ridiculous. The SSD and DirectX 12 has me thinking this might be a DirectStorage game, which I am certainly not opposed to.
The information about DirectStorage is still relatively frantic, but weren't there a bunch of issues with Forspoken and DirectStorage not working on Windows 10?
Forgive someone who doesn't know a lot about how game programming works (but is technical), what does it mean if a game is "DirectStorage"? Is that the technology that the PS5 uses to speed up load times or whatever? I remember hearing something about that.
Seems similar but for Windows: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directstorage-1-1-coming-soon/
I really need to be convinced out of preordering this game, ugh. I love old Bethesda jank, Fallout 3 used to be one of my favorite games ever. (over New Vegas too lol), but also I've been so burned on preordering (Cyberpunk 2077 anyone?)
I never pre-order, and never feel like I miss out. Steam isn't going to run out of copies. I remember having to pre-order back in the day and if you showed up two days late they'd sell your copy to someone else and you'd have to wait.
What do you feel like you're missing out on by pre-ordering now? I usually avoid even looking at "pre-order bonuses" and don't ever feel like the game sucks without them. Occasionally, I will pre-order if the bonus is really good, particularly like if I'm playing an MMO with friends and pre-ordering gives you early access.
Mostly just early access! Preloading and waiting on the countdown to unlock kinda replicates that "going to midnight" release that I used to feel tbh.
That’s fair and sounds like fun. I can see it. I’m just usually in bed by then 😅
The only problem with waiting is the potential to get spoiled.
I had to dodge spoilers for like 2 years before I bough Fallout 4 for cheap.
I usually buy a few days after launch. Enough to hear if the launch is a mess or game is fun. I mean that’s if it’s a game I really want. Otherwise yes, get it on sale years later. Patient gamers unite.
Lol. That was the last time I stood in line for a midnight launch. I never finished the game, haven't tried to avoid anything, and still have no idea how it ends.
I'm buying on launch, but don't preorder on principle. I'm a bit skeeved out by the day-1 story expansion, though.
Yeah, plus the five day early access I'm not a huge fan of (as someone who likes to experience things early). It's really tempting for sure.
You can always purchase it after it releases.
There's effectively no reason to pay now for something that's not coming to later, especially given there's no meaningful discount and you're more likely to see sales post-release than pre-.
And if it's another CP77 on launch, you will have paid full price for something not worth full price.
Yeah that's totally fair. I'm not married to the idea of pre-ordering of course. I love the "midnight release" types of feelings and such. Definitely balking because of past experiences though for sure.
You can always buy at midnight; or even wait until 1AM if you're wanting to balance caution V early access.
I tend to be predisposed to wait a week or two and see what reviews say, but I totally get that launch-day frenzy and have absolutely joined that on a couple titles.
I think for me it's probably gonna be whenever the review embargo lifts. As someone who tends to have slower internet I think I value preloading a bit more
Well, you should still be able to return it through Steam regardless of if you pre-ordered it, unless I'm misinformed about how the return policy works? As long as you don't have more than like 2 hours playtime Steam should accept a return mostly with no questions asked, and they'll usually accept it with a bit more playtime but it gets somewhat involved with customer support.
That said, a lot of game studios front-load all of their resources and polish towards the beginning of a game if they're under a crunched schedule, so you don't see the jank until well past the typical return window. Steam has made exceptions for particularly bad software though, CP2077 being a noteworthy example for how spectacularly poor the quality was at launch. I don't know what the dev timeline for Starfield was like in the slightest, but I would hope 25 years is enough time to do it right (though Cyberpunk was also in development for over 10 years or something)
I'm sharing a gamepass with a couple of friends (I was surprised Microsoft even allows that) and it's by far the best value in gaming right IMO. Starfield is going to be on the gamepass day 1.
If you really want to pre-order, GMG for the discount.
yeah, that's partially why i'm tempted tbh LOL it's 20% off which i feel like isn't really a thing on launch day
Only reason I am not bothering is because I already have gamepass. Seems pointless to buy it until I drop gamepass at some point.
Why would you pre-order? To preload?
I do like to preload and also there usually are pre-order discounts on third party sites (I see one on GMG right now for 20% off or something). Plus I just kinda like the feeling of midnight unlocks and playing it immediately! (I watched the new SpiderVerse movie literally as early as I could haha)
Just play it on game pass. You can preload and play it day 1.
oh damn i didn't know that, thank you!
At least with Steam, I've been just pre-ordering maybe the day before release if there are pre-order bonuses to collect. I'm unfortunately the kind of fool that is all too soon parted with his money when there's extra content to be had in a thing, but I've found that at least pre-ordering as late as possible means that I have the chance to see early reviews if available, and the opportunity to refund (on Steam) if it turns out to be a complete disaster.
In the case of Starfield, I'll be nabbing the pre-order just before the early release since I've got an important life event the day following the regular release and I'll need those extra days to get some of the obsession out of my system beforehand.
I guess there's little hope of it being playable on my steamdeck.
I wrecked the motherboard on my computer (i7-6700) and am now gaming on a borrowed system with an i5-3570K + the 6600xt out of my old system. That CPU is noticeably worse than the steamdeck let alone the i7 I had or a modern computer.
No money for an upgrade this year. Maybe next year.
I can't imagine it being a smooth play on the Deck, but we'll see. It'd be nice if streaming could be integrated more cleanly into the Steam client and Deck UI. Like if there'd be a little stream button as an alternative to installing a game. That way your save would also be easily accessible once you do get the hardware for it. As much as I appreciate the value of Game Pass Ultimate, its dependence on the Microsoft Store's infrastructure can be hassle -- especially wrt save management/compatibility.
With low settings and FSR, I doubt it wouldn't work on the Deck. Even demanding games like Forspoken seem to do well enough.
Ya, I expect it would be a slideshow on the steam deck.
I havent tried streaming at all on the deck but on an iPad the Geforce Now webapp worked pretty well for the short time I tried it. Does it not sync save files to steam?
I haven't looked into that one so much. I suppose you'd use on the Deck via an installed browser. Not as seamless as I'd like, but perhaps worth a sub for a big game like this.
So I just looked it up and one tutorial is basically just that but with extra steps to make it all work nice. They used MS Edge browser (compatibility I guess?), did stuff something for controller support, added it to the steam library, and added a launch option that sets screen size and the link to the streaming service.
Microsoft actually has a page for setting up edge on your steam deck for gamepass.
EDIT: I have gamepass already for the kids (not sure if it includes streaming) so I'll maybe give this method a try.
Idk if this is reasonable, but I've bee and pondering a series s just for starfield. My pc is ancient (i5 2500k, 850ti) and my wife has mostly converted me to consoles, so I have an Xbox 1s and a ps5. It's more affordable to buy a new series S than to event attempt to spec up my pc...
Might be worth considering for you too. I'll probably sell the Xbox 1 for 80-100$ and pick up the series a. Unless my local uni decides to sell a pc that's one gpu away from being able to run starfield, which I seriously doubt.
Ya... That's probably the most realistic option. Computers with 6th gen Intel processors and newer can be had cheap if you're patient and keep looking, but the deals are usually on dell's or other hard to upgrade systems. Then you need a graphics card and probably a new power supply.
I used consoles for a long time and I've been moving towards Linux PC, but its really hard on a small budget.
Yeah, as my college/grad school era machines age, they've been getting the Linux treatment. Keeps them in use as browsing/ streaming/ email/ retro gaming tools. So glad Linux systems finally support smooth streaming video! But for modern games... It just doesn't make economic sense. My last pc buy was an older dell with the aforementioned i5. I put in a bunch of ram, as fast as the mobo supported, and the 850ti which was the best I could find in the form factor the pc could accommodate in 2017 or whatever it was. Still put more money into that than I did into buying the xbone new when the wife and I got together.
I always liked the flexibility of a pc, but pretty much everything gets ported both ways now, and between used games and gamepass even the potential to pirate really doesn't make up the cost difference. Just a decent GPU is as much as a ps5 now.
Damn. My card is now the minimum specs. I've really gotta upgrade soon
Same here. 1070ti crew holding out strong. Still plays everything I like playing.
The lack of any mention of raytracing in either the marketing material or the system reqs has me a bit disappointed - Starfield looks like it could benefit greatly from ray traced (local) shadows.
The performance in the videos felt a little rough. No surprise, it's a very detailed game with a lot of content. I am not expecting a smooth game when it arrives. This kind of implies RT, while nice, cannot happen - they don't have the performance overhead for it.
Skyrim is still being played a decade and then some after release. It's easy enough to slot in a RTX 9090 down the line, less easy to bolt on raytracing.
Fair point. At least they aren't wasting development time on it, hopefully to maximize resources to get what they have working well. Remains to be seen of course.
Yeah. If BGS keeps supporting games the way they have fo4 and skyrim, I'm sure we'll have raytraced starfield in ten or so years, lol.
I have a rx5500 xt, I may choose to upgrade.
It will likely still run fine on it, most games these days tend to do OK below recommended GPU specs.
My hope is iD's work on the graphics side of things helped with advanced features that didn't previously exist in Creation Engine to bringnit up to what Cyberpunk and No Man's Sky can do for optimization and adjustment.
Woah. Is Bethesda working with iD on this?
This is like the first game in years that I’m looking forward to enough to play on day one (might even take a day off work for it!) and I’ve been avoiding every spoiler I can.
IIRC iD was brought on to help with the guns & framerate after the first gameplay showcase.
I also heard Microsoft ordered a bunch of their internal studios & teams to help with Starfield, but that's just a rumour.
No man's outer world looks pretty good! But the specs seem kind of iffy to me. That's a lot of hdd
Well crap, a game is finally coming out that probably won't run on my 9yo GTX 980.
Random thought, why don't they have maximum in addition to minimum and recommended?
Yes, everything turned as high as it will go including Graphics, Sound and AI settings. If it isn't available yet, wouldn't having "Maximum: Not playable on current hardware" be something to advertise at launch?
I'd be surprised if they couldn't come up with something even if it turns out you'd need a supercomputer.
Max: 4 high end video cards, 4 CPUs & 2TB RAM
Ok, those don't look outrageous (other than storage). I havent actually seen much of the starfield trailer and gameplay, but it looks extremely interesting to me. I love stuff like elite: dangerous and was thinking about getting into starcitizen, but didn't for a big reason. It doesn't work on my steam deck, that is my only gaming device, I don't have the space or the desire for a gaming tower, so I need this to run on my steam deck. It looks like it will, but time will tell.
But yes anyway, space operas where you get to fly spaceships are awesome and I'll preorder it because I'm an idiot.
Sweet. Doesn't look too bad. I think I'm holding out on per-ordering. I'll wait for a few patches to fix some of the bethesda jank. I'll eat my words if it's actually relatively problem free.
I pretty much have the recommended specs, which is surprising. I figured the recommended graphics card would be in the 30 series. Super excited for this. I wonder if my game pass subscription will get me the few days of early access you get from preordering.
My plan with this is to try it and play it vanilla on game pass, then down the line when mods are going wild for it pick it up on sale on steam. Really glad they showed so much of it off the other day. I was kinda lukewarm on it before that.
I don't think my computer is up to the task, but I do have an XSS that I barely use right now. In any case, I imagine low settings will help, and a performance mod is bound to happen at some point.
In an interview, Todd said he's played it mostly on series S (cause his kids hog the X at home) and apparently he's satisfied with the performance. If this shows to be true when the game launches, I may buy a series s just for starfield
Welp, looks like it's time to put my 1070 out to pasture. I'm finally not meeting minimum requirements. My i7-7700K looks like it'll be able to hold on for a bit longer.
I'll keep my RX 480 8GB and hopefully someone will add unofficial FSR support (if it's not officially there) and play in potato mode lol
I've had a good run with my 1070 and i5-6600, but i suppose it's time to finally move on
On the one hand, wow, I need to upgrade!
On the other hand, yay, I get to build a new PC!
Wonder if it works through Proton on Linux. Probably will have to skip otherwise.
Better than I expected.