The team at Gamers Nexus did a lot of work on analysing and benchmarking on Linux albeit with a lot of caveats. I recommend watching the twenty-minutes introduction where Steve discusses the...
The team at Gamers Nexus did a lot of work on analysing and benchmarking on Linux albeit with a lot of caveats. I recommend watching the twenty-minutes introduction where Steve discusses the complexity of benchmarking on Linux and how they approached it.
What was really interesting is how inconstent Nvidia is on Linux and huge 1% low drops versus AMD. The definitive advantage that Nvidia has over AMD on Windows doesn't seem to apply on Linux where 9070 XT seems very good and far cheaper than the alternatives.
It'll be interesting to see what else they do to improve their drivers. I think we'll see a lot of devs start optimising their games for AMD since that's what the steam machine uses, not to...
It'll be interesting to see what else they do to improve their drivers.
I think we'll see a lot of devs start optimising their games for AMD since that's what the steam machine uses, not to mention Valve has a vested interest in pushing for AMD, as does AMD themselves.
Meanwhile only Nvidia will be really pushing to improve Nvidia stuff.
I made the switch to Bazzite on my gaming laptop a few months ago and it's been surprisingly painless. Especially compared to my attempt to switch to Linux Mint on the same laptop earlier this...
I made the switch to Bazzite on my gaming laptop a few months ago and it's been surprisingly painless. Especially compared to my attempt to switch to Linux Mint on the same laptop earlier this year. I'm not always playing the latest and greatest (I think Baldur's Gate 3 is my most recent game?), but it suits my needs nicely. For everything else there's my oft neglected xbox series S and PS4.
I should try Bazzite. I liked Mint well enough on my laptop, but had these little issues consistently and one which I felt was a major issue (fans not spinning up during one particular game) and...
I should try Bazzite. I liked Mint well enough on my laptop, but had these little issues consistently and one which I felt was a major issue (fans not spinning up during one particular game) and so I eventually went back to Windows, since I was just constantly investigating and solving issues, rather than playing games.
Love to finally see some professional level game benchmarks on Linux. It pretty clearly confirms what we guessed about the general advantages and disadvantages depending on the hardware used....
Love to finally see some professional level game benchmarks on Linux. It pretty clearly confirms what we guessed about the general advantages and disadvantages depending on the hardware used.
Valve says they are working to help get raytracing up to par on AMD, will be interesting to see how far they can take it.
At this point, with dxvk, vkd3d, Vulkan and the sheer amount of work Valve have put into both SteamOS and Proton, the only true hurdle preventing gamers from switching en masse to Linux is......
At this point, with dxvk, vkd3d, Vulkan and the sheer amount of work Valve have put into both SteamOS and Proton, the only true hurdle preventing gamers from switching en masse to Linux is... kernel level anticheat.
League of Legends, Fortnite, Valorant, Phantasy Star Online 2, MapleStory, Battlefield 6, Helldivers 2, Blade & Soul and any other game that requires kernel level anti-cheat is unplayable on Linux. Even Valve's own offerings aren't 100% fully compatible, with many DOTA 2 and CS2 players using FACEIT, a third-party esports matchmaking platform that requires... you guessed it... kernel level anti-cheat.
The only kernel level solution that actually has Proton/Linux support is BattlEye and many developers choose to opt out of Linux support because of how much harder it is to detect cheats on that OS.
Valve would be wise to sell their upcoming Steam Machine at a loss to bring as many players to their ecosystem as possible, but they've already confirmed they won't do that.
On that point I dropped my favourite and most-played game on Windows when they introduced a kernel level anti-cheat: League of Legends. I realise that it doesn't give them access to much more than...
On that point I dropped my favourite and most-played game on Windows when they introduced a kernel level anti-cheat: League of Legends.
I realise that it doesn't give them access to much more than a regular administrator process but considering it loads before almost anything else it's the perfect place for a malware infection to hide. I wouldn't trust the security practices of Riot to be robust enough to risk such an attack vector.
So whilst it's unfortunate that these games block Linux I think it's an acceptably small number of games to skip to avoid the risk of additional exploit channels.
Yeah while I understand not everyone will want to make the same choices, and it was easier for me since most of my multiplayer days are behind me, but I decided that making the tradeoff of missing...
Yeah while I understand not everyone will want to make the same choices, and it was easier for me since most of my multiplayer days are behind me, but I decided that making the tradeoff of missing out on some games, even potentially ones I would have some level of interest in, was worth it to abandon Windows, and I have never regretted the decision. Turns out most of the games that don't work are games I would never want to play anyway for any number of reasons, whether it be deep anti-cheat PC access or otherwise and nearly everything I have tried and wanted to play has worked out of the box or with slight tweaking
I don’t really see how you can square that circle. Personally kernel level anticheat is table stakes in a serious competitive game. The fact that CSGO doesn’t have it is a serious demerit (and why...
I don’t really see how you can square that circle. Personally kernel level anticheat is table stakes in a serious competitive game. The fact that CSGO doesn’t have it is a serious demerit (and why face it and ESEA exists). But Linux just isn’t architectures in a way where having kernel level anticheat makes sense.
There is only one way to square that circle: Valve's Steam Machines using a custom signed kernel + TPM. Doesn't really help anyone who does not have a Steam Machine but that's the only way you'd...
There is only one way to square that circle: Valve's Steam Machines using a custom signed kernel + TPM. Doesn't really help anyone who does not have a Steam Machine but that's the only way you'd be able to play these games on "Linux" (really Steam Machines only).
I got bit by Rockstar implementing BattlEye for Grand Theft Auto Online and refusing to implement the Linux version. I have a character with nearly every property asset in the game, tons of...
I got bit by Rockstar implementing BattlEye for Grand Theft Auto Online and refusing to implement the Linux version. I have a character with nearly every property asset in the game, tons of achievements, and $40 million in the bank just sitting there, untouchable due to not having Windows.
I really appreciate the work Steve and all the GN staff have done to help make it easier for the average person to transition to Linux. Good on them. Also, their investigative journalism is beyond...
I really appreciate the work Steve and all the GN staff have done to help make it easier for the average person to transition to Linux. Good on them.
Also, their investigative journalism is beyond world class. Just amazing.
While I have had a good experience on Linux with Nvidia, I am curious if the frame-time consistency and 1%/0.1% lows issues are things I have ever encountered, because they are very apparent in...
While I have had a good experience on Linux with Nvidia, I am curious if the frame-time consistency and 1%/0.1% lows issues are things I have ever encountered, because they are very apparent in these results. That said I am not on Bazzite or a similar Arch/etc base
As GN admits, the ecosystem is so complex and rapidly changing on Linux that it's possible some users may never have the same experience as the benchmark results show, because of the interwoven complexity between the OS, drivers, kernels, hardware, etc
The team at Gamers Nexus did a lot of work on analysing and benchmarking on Linux albeit with a lot of caveats. I recommend watching the twenty-minutes introduction where Steve discusses the complexity of benchmarking on Linux and how they approached it.
What was really interesting is how inconstent Nvidia is on Linux and huge 1% low drops versus AMD. The definitive advantage that Nvidia has over AMD on Windows doesn't seem to apply on Linux where 9070 XT seems very good and far cheaper than the alternatives.
It makes sense to me since Valve has been pushing a lot of the Linux gaming scene forward and their hardware all uses AMD chips.
It will be interesting to see if the Nvidia situation improves as the Nova module begins to reach maturity
I think so, it seems that Nvidia is finally investing and invested in the Linux Desktop.
It'll be interesting to see what else they do to improve their drivers.
I think we'll see a lot of devs start optimising their games for AMD since that's what the steam machine uses, not to mention Valve has a vested interest in pushing for AMD, as does AMD themselves.
Meanwhile only Nvidia will be really pushing to improve Nvidia stuff.
I made the switch to Bazzite on my gaming laptop a few months ago and it's been surprisingly painless. Especially compared to my attempt to switch to Linux Mint on the same laptop earlier this year. I'm not always playing the latest and greatest (I think Baldur's Gate 3 is my most recent game?), but it suits my needs nicely. For everything else there's my oft neglected xbox series S and PS4.
I should try Bazzite. I liked Mint well enough on my laptop, but had these little issues consistently and one which I felt was a major issue (fans not spinning up during one particular game) and so I eventually went back to Windows, since I was just constantly investigating and solving issues, rather than playing games.
Love to finally see some professional level game benchmarks on Linux. It pretty clearly confirms what we guessed about the general advantages and disadvantages depending on the hardware used.
Valve says they are working to help get raytracing up to par on AMD, will be interesting to see how far they can take it.
At this point, with dxvk, vkd3d, Vulkan and the sheer amount of work Valve have put into both SteamOS and Proton, the only true hurdle preventing gamers from switching en masse to Linux is... kernel level anticheat.
League of Legends, Fortnite, Valorant, Phantasy Star Online 2, MapleStory, Battlefield 6, Helldivers 2, Blade & Soul and any other game that requires kernel level anti-cheat is unplayable on Linux. Even Valve's own offerings aren't 100% fully compatible, with many DOTA 2 and CS2 players using FACEIT, a third-party esports matchmaking platform that requires... you guessed it... kernel level anti-cheat.
The only kernel level solution that actually has Proton/Linux support is BattlEye and many developers choose to opt out of Linux support because of how much harder it is to detect cheats on that OS.
Valve would be wise to sell their upcoming Steam Machine at a loss to bring as many players to their ecosystem as possible, but they've already confirmed they won't do that.
On that point I dropped my favourite and most-played game on Windows when they introduced a kernel level anti-cheat: League of Legends.
I realise that it doesn't give them access to much more than a regular administrator process but considering it loads before almost anything else it's the perfect place for a malware infection to hide. I wouldn't trust the security practices of Riot to be robust enough to risk such an attack vector.
So whilst it's unfortunate that these games block Linux I think it's an acceptably small number of games to skip to avoid the risk of additional exploit channels.
Yeah while I understand not everyone will want to make the same choices, and it was easier for me since most of my multiplayer days are behind me, but I decided that making the tradeoff of missing out on some games, even potentially ones I would have some level of interest in, was worth it to abandon Windows, and I have never regretted the decision. Turns out most of the games that don't work are games I would never want to play anyway for any number of reasons, whether it be deep anti-cheat PC access or otherwise and nearly everything I have tried and wanted to play has worked out of the box or with slight tweaking
I don’t really see how you can square that circle. Personally kernel level anticheat is table stakes in a serious competitive game. The fact that CSGO doesn’t have it is a serious demerit (and why face it and ESEA exists). But Linux just isn’t architectures in a way where having kernel level anticheat makes sense.
There is only one way to square that circle: Valve's Steam Machines using a custom signed kernel + TPM. Doesn't really help anyone who does not have a Steam Machine but that's the only way you'd be able to play these games on "Linux" (really Steam Machines only).
I got bit by Rockstar implementing BattlEye for Grand Theft Auto Online and refusing to implement the Linux version. I have a character with nearly every property asset in the game, tons of achievements, and $40 million in the bank just sitting there, untouchable due to not having Windows.
Not super familiar with a lot of the games you list, but Helldivers II runs great on Linux for what it's worth, no issues with anti cheat
I really appreciate the work Steve and all the GN staff have done to help make it easier for the average person to transition to Linux. Good on them.
Also, their investigative journalism is beyond world class. Just amazing.
While I have had a good experience on Linux with Nvidia, I am curious if the frame-time consistency and 1%/0.1% lows issues are things I have ever encountered, because they are very apparent in these results. That said I am not on Bazzite or a similar Arch/etc base
As GN admits, the ecosystem is so complex and rapidly changing on Linux that it's possible some users may never have the same experience as the benchmark results show, because of the interwoven complexity between the OS, drivers, kernels, hardware, etc