Title crawl: "It's unclear how, but the Empire has returned somehow." Please, just move forward or backward a few hundred years and let the Skywalkers rest in peace, and have some damn Jedi doing...
Daisy Ridley’s Rey will feature in this new set of sequels in some capacity, though it’s currently unclear how.
Title crawl: "It's unclear how, but the Empire has returned somehow."
Please, just move forward or backward a few hundred years and let the Skywalkers rest in peace, and have some damn Jedi doing space samurai things.
The Ninth Jedi, Andor aside, is the best Star Wars we've had in a long time.
Can we just pretend the existing sequel trilogy never happened and start over? The way Force Awakens hamfistedly brought the Empire back and hit a giant reset button on the OT characters can't be...
Can we just pretend the existing sequel trilogy never happened and start over?
The way Force Awakens hamfistedly brought the Empire back and hit a giant reset button on the OT characters can't be fixed. I simply do not buy it. Everything that happened in Return of the Jedi was for nothing; our heroes failed so catastrophically at building the new Republic that a Darth Vader cosplayer was able to completely topple it seemingly overnight. My suspension of disbelief has been permanently shattered.
I'm not a prequel lover, but I have to admit that the way it depicted the fall of the Old Republic was somewhat believable. It made sense. Wrap the gigantic bureaucracy into a gigantic seemingly...
I'm not a prequel lover, but I have to admit that the way it depicted the fall of the Old Republic was somewhat believable. It made sense.
Wrap the gigantic bureaucracy into a gigantic seemingly existential war, gaining support to giving more and more power to an authoritarian, and then that authoritarian uses his newfound authority to consolidate power, culminating with him disolving the Senate at the beginning of a New Hope. Makes sense. We've seen this kind of thing happen countless times throughout history.
A gigantic space laser that shoots halfway across the galaxy in a fraction of a second and destroys a bunch of planets is not something that could plausibly destroy a galaxy spanning government. The whole idea of it is stupid, and the idea that the Empire managed to just somehow escape and do another buildup without anyone noticing is also ridiculous.
It's like the writers never stopped to think that the citizens of the Old Republic, the citizens of the empire, and the citizens of the new Republic were all largely the same people.
I’m sure there are other examples, but that pretty much describes Ghost in the Shell. There is a film continuity, a continuity from the ‘Stand Alone Complex’ series which also includes a film, and...
I’m sure there are other examples, but that pretty much describes Ghost in the Shell. There is a film continuity, a continuity from the ‘Stand Alone Complex’ series which also includes a film, and then three other side series using similar themes and characters.
It kind of helps, you get a chance to do something different in each and avoids the problem of either having to ignore character arcs or elongate them. That said, the fandom seems pretty mixed on a bunch of the series, so it’s not clearly a slam dunk.
Honestly, I would be perfectly happy to see more movies with Skywalkers...I just don't want more "Skywalker saga" movies. Just give me characters I already know doing Star Wars shit so we don't...
Honestly, I would be perfectly happy to see more movies with Skywalkers...I just don't want more "Skywalker saga" movies. Just give me characters I already know doing Star Wars shit so we don't have to spend 45-75 minutes setting up who everyone is.
Just don't make them about defeating the dark side once and for all again. Just new expanded universe stories are fine with me
"As a bitter, cynical failure who's hidden herself away and refuses to do anything about the problems she caused by attempting to murder Finn's oldest son, but backing off at the last second."
"As a bitter, cynical failure who's hidden herself away and refuses to do anything about the problems she caused by attempting to murder Finn's oldest son, but backing off at the last second."
Whenever I see discourse about some new Star Wars project, a point made by RedLetterMedia becomes more clear to me, in that it feels like Star Wars fans themselves don't really know what they...
Whenever I see discourse about some new Star Wars project, a point made by RedLetterMedia becomes more clear to me, in that it feels like Star Wars fans themselves don't really know what they want, and without realizing it may not even like Star Wars anymore.
Using their cases in point: Andor is a well crafted story that's well lauded by the Star Wars fandom, but frankly it's just a story that's set in the Star Wars universe, it's a sociopolitical thriller of a story with a Star Wars aesthetic/veneer/filter applied over top. That core story could be applied to any other setting, swap out The Empire for some South American Junta, some Nazi Commandant in occupied Holland, etc. and you'd still effectively have the same story. However, it's widely regarded as some of the best stuff for the contemporary era. Frankly, I love Andor as it's contemporary media (in this day and age!) portraying a Lefty power struggle against a clearly Fascistic regime.
Contrast that with the reception for The Acolyte. The whole series was cancelled in the middle(?) of the first season's release cycle, it was so poorly received by the same fan base. Admittedly, the cinematography and art department wasn't doing The Acolyte any favors at all, but the story was doing something uniquely Star Wars in the sense that it was genuinely going deeper into the Star Wars lore, and was attempting to make canon details about the Dark Side of the force, and answer questions about the Sith in general. This is something that should have had the fan base excited beyond all measure, but it's unambiguously a failure to the point Disney is pretending it never even happened, and I don't blame them for it because wow was it corny, in all the bad ways.
So, whats the takeaway from all of this? It's not a totally iron-clad statement, but I think there's a lot of people who's just "tired" of Star Wars. Maybe even tired of it in ways they don't even actively realize yet, or maybe even too afraid to admit it, either to themselves or to the "community" of who they see as their peers.
Either way, I think I'm just gonna sit this one out. Maybe check it out 5 years after release or so, if this is some kind of "return to form" I can be pleasantly surprised.
I basically had this same conversation elsewhere with the same examples, and even the same context as the convo started in response to this announcement. For me, Andor is a terrific example of the...
I basically had this same conversation elsewhere with the same examples, and even the same context as the convo started in response to this announcement.
For me, Andor is a terrific example of the kind of story that could be told in Star Wars -- yeah, the story itself isn't star wars centric, and is mostly using the universe as backdrop, but that's the point for me. It's telling a great story in that world, and it doesn't have to be focused on jedi and sith.
Conversely, I didn't bother watching The Acolyte because I'd already been worn down by the number and quality of shows that had been released in quick succession. It just became too much with diminishing returns.
Frankly, I think it'd be neat to just explore more of the universe outside of Jedi. Have ever since I saw that SNL sketch with a bunch of fake Star Wars shows, and one of them was a space CSI....
Frankly, I think it'd be neat to just explore more of the universe outside of Jedi. Have ever since I saw that SNL sketch with a bunch of fake Star Wars shows, and one of them was a space CSI. Reminded me of my teacher raving about a short story based on the couple in the cantina, and how the female ended up later killing the guy because of her species' mating practices. (Actually on that note: just straight-up adapt a bunch of the short stories, novels and comics. Would probably be a lot smoother and more coherent.)
They have a whole galaxy's worth of world-building to work with. They can do a lot of fun stuff outside the Skywalker family drama. Seriously just... Don't even touch the last trilogy, too messy
I really think Jedi and the force are the least interesting things about the universe at this point. It's all been explored and similar concepts exist in other popular media.
I really think Jedi and the force are the least interesting things about the universe at this point. It's all been explored and similar concepts exist in other popular media.
I've written about this at length on this site before in response to a similar comment, but ill stay more succint here. Even as a mild fan of the original series, there is so much more to the...
I've written about this at length on this site before in response to a similar comment, but ill stay more succint here. Even as a mild fan of the original series, there is so much more to the franchise identity than just the Skywalker Family. Sure it's a throughline across most of the current series, but the worldbuilding specific to star wars, the light side/dark side struggles, anti authoritaran commentary, the iconography of the tech and the aliens, that is the core identity of the IP, the Skywalkers are just one vehicle to explore those things. Bioware's Knights of the Old Republic and Obsidian's sequel to it are the best and most thought provoking Star Wars media I have ever experienced by a large margin, exploring the politics, socioeconomics, and religion of the setting in ways that far outpace the movies in terms of depth. They are also set thousands of years before Anakin was even born and are essentially self contained. You don't need a chump related to Luke in someway to explore the settings themes and iconography.
If that read isnt cynical enough for you, you put it in the Star Wars franchise instead of an original IP for monetary and brand recognition reasons. People will turn out for Star Wars (or at least, they would have prior to the new trilogy being shat out with no overarching vision), but they might not turn out for Space Rebels: Fight For Freedom or whatever else they would call it.
Maybe it's a bit early to discuss anything? And, to make us nerds happy: Although his writing credits are a bit underwhelming, so we'll have to wait an indeterminate amount of time which may never...
Maybe it's a bit early to discuss anything?
At time of writing, this first film hasn’t been greenlit by Disney yet. But of the franchise’ many films that’ve been announced (or implied to be in development), this is reportedly the “furthest along.”
And, to make us nerds happy:
Watts will helm the first installment in what’s said to be a trilogy penned by Simon Kinberg.
Although his writing credits are a bit underwhelming, so we'll have to wait an indeterminate amount of time which may never end to see if it's any good.
They're getting the dude who failed to adapt 'The Dark Phoenix Saga' from X-Men twice to write it? I get the feeling himself and Watts are just getting hired as puppets for a committee of Disney...
They're getting the dude who failed to adapt 'The Dark Phoenix Saga' from X-Men twice to write it? I get the feeling himself and Watts are just getting hired as puppets for a committee of Disney execs to manipulate.
I’m not a Star Wars nerd, I only like the Original Trilogy and two thirds of the sequel trilogy. But, I’ve had the idea for the past year of a sort of Duology. Doing like a House of the Dragon...
I’m not a Star Wars nerd, I only like the Original Trilogy and two thirds of the sequel trilogy.
But, I’ve had the idea for the past year of a sort of Duology. Doing like a House of the Dragon thing where it’s set however many hundreds of years before the Skywalker saga. I think The Acolyte was doing that. But I wanted something that predated Jedi’s and Sith’s, like the beginning eras of those religions and the origins of a bad guy that would eventually lead to the Sith.
That’s a broad idea and I mostly had visual ideas. Such as the tech looking more archaic and stone-like. Action scenes on a planet with fire and water colliding with one another. Using VistaVision and IMAX 70mm.
I’m not much of a sci fi writer or keen enough to learn enough about the lore of Star Wars. But, I was hoping Disney would do something like that as opposed to continuing the Skywalker saga which already ran its course and which was already milked for 7 billion dollars.
If we go by older things (Expanded Universe before the Disney nation attacked), it actually happened the other way around: the Red Sith were a singular species with a massive lowercase-e empire...
If we go by older things (Expanded Universe before the Disney nation attacked), it actually happened the other way around: the Red Sith were a singular species with a massive lowercase-e empire that oppressed many worlds, and their warrior caste were the ones the Yavin ruins were built for. They were based on a planet called Korriban, and were later followed by Exar Kun's Sith, and later (?) Revan. The "rule of two" Sith were something that came millennia later. They're basically LARPing.
The original Jedi were a rebellion against the original Sith empire, and their developed philosophy was a direct reaction to that abuse of power.
At least, that's my half-remembered understanding from one point in time. There was also a Sith empire following the Hyperspace War...which is depicted on the wall of Palpatine's office in the prequels. This particular one is considered modern canon, as it has references in the films. (And I've been saying for years that would be an excellent thing to explore.)
Some form of this probably would make for a good movie, but I highly doubt the untitled "origin of the Jedi" film that Disney does have on their roadmap will be anything like that. It will probably be a coup de grâce on the foundations of the whole series instead.
I think an issue is that Filloni is just too enamored by the Skywalker lore for Lucasfilm ever to be able to move on. I think one of the reasons Andor worked for a lot of people (I haven’t seen...
I think an issue is that Filloni is just too enamored by the Skywalker lore for Lucasfilm ever to be able to move on.
I think one of the reasons Andor worked for a lot of people (I haven’t seen it) is that Tony Gilroy has no reverence for the source material. And you need someone like that to enter and deliver something unique that breaks away. I think that’s why The Last Jedi worked so well.
You’re misremembering, the Jedi had already existed for millennia before the Great Hyperspace war and Great Sith war. The great hyperspace war was between the old republic and the Sith empire in...
You’re misremembering, the Jedi had already existed for millennia before the Great Hyperspace war and Great Sith war. The great hyperspace war was between the old republic and the Sith empire in the first encounter between their regions of the galaxy. By this point both the Jedi and Sith (the race not the cult) were well established in their respective regions (This is ~5000 BBY).
The idea of “Sith” as dark jedi only became popular after Revan and Malak adopted the titles of Sith Lord. Even Exar Kun didn’t refer to himself as a Sith Lord.
Also while the ruins on Yavin 4 were built by Massasi (the Sith Warrior Caste), they were built when they were enslaved under Exar Kun, rather than by the Sith Empire.
Technically, the New Sith wars (which take place about 400 years after the Exar Kun) are the only piece of Legends media still being developed as part of The Old Republic MMO.
I want an inspiring story, give me a person to look up to face adversity and learn something in order to succeed. I dont mean like making the hero a smartass. Instead make them compassionate and...
I want an inspiring story, give me a person to look up to face adversity and learn something in order to succeed. I dont mean like making the hero a smartass. Instead make them compassionate and keep them human. If its not great then it is what it is and I will keep enjoying what I do find fun. Life will be good
I like Star Wars and I'm 42, but I get your point. The fatigue is there. I can only hope that they learn something, anything from Andor. I don't even know what that means, but good Star Wars...
I like Star Wars and I'm 42, but I get your point. The fatigue is there. I can only hope that they learn something, anything from Andor. I don't even know what that means, but good Star Wars stories can still exist. I just don't know what interesting story is left to tell in a movie format.
Well no, that's what I'm saying. Like OP I would prefer if Star Trek rights owners just let it die instead of doing with it what they have been doing. I actually think Star Wars may have been...
Well no, that's what I'm saying. Like OP I would prefer if Star Trek rights owners just let it die instead of doing with it what they have been doing. I actually think Star Wars may have been doing better than Star Trek in the last decade, there have been some bad and completely unnecessary movies but some of the shows were supposedly decent and nothing in the current Star Trek universe even approaches Andor.
Oh, true. I misinterpreted what you meant, sorry! I agree with you honestly, Star Wars is doing a lot better than Star Trek. Star Wars has always been a heroes journey type story putting ultimate...
Oh, true. I misinterpreted what you meant, sorry!
I agree with you honestly, Star Wars is doing a lot better than Star Trek. Star Wars has always been a heroes journey type story putting ultimate evil against ultimate good, and resisting the temptation to do the wrong thing, even for the right reasons.
In that respect, most of the new movies still mostly do that? They just do it really badly.
With most of the new Star Trek shows, I was left asking myself if anyone involved in the writing ever actually saw a TOS or TNG episode, or if basically all of their knowledge came from cultural osmosis. Most of the new shows just completely miss the point of what Star Trek was even about.
I like Hal9000's edits of the prequels and the 35mm 4k\d+ versions of the OT, Andor, Rogue One, and a few episodes here and there --- but yeah, absolutely let it die. I've read over a hundred of...
I like Hal9000's edits of the prequels and the 35mm 4k\d+ versions of the OT, Andor, Rogue One, and a few episodes here and there --- but yeah, absolutely let it die. I've read over a hundred of the EU books (only Legends.) They really fucked up by splitting it instead of just doing Legacy of the Force.
It sucks, but they just don't seem to understand what Star Wars is and I don't understand how this can be. They can push just as many toys with good stories.
Instead of Solo they should have done Scoundrels -- a good ol heist film.. but noooo.
I always thought the split made since, like the MCU it gave them the ability to adapt the stories to film without contradicting the lore established in the comics/books. Instead they pretty much...
I always thought the split made since, like the MCU it gave them the ability to adapt the stories to film without contradicting the lore established in the comics/books.
Instead they pretty much threw the baby out with the bathwater and we have the current mess. If you told me as a kid years ago we'd have more Star Wars movies I would have been excited. Now I've just lost interest and only plan to show my kids the first 6 movies when they're old enough.
its so sad, right? The first six are perfect -- and I kind of prefer Hal9000s prequel edits to the OT these days. Speaking of throwing babies out, they should have done that with stupid Grogu...
its so sad, right? The first six are perfect -- and I kind of prefer Hal9000s prequel edits to the OT these days.
Speaking of throwing babies out, they should have done that with stupid Grogu after they left the Lone Wolf and Cub stuff. So much wasted potential.
Can they make up for it? Yes! Give me nine hours of Darth Bane.
I hope that a new director just looks at the mountain of EU content they're sitting on and decides "hey some of these stories that are premade in our setting and we own the rights to them could be...
I hope that a new director just looks at the mountain of EU content they're sitting on and decides "hey some of these stories that are premade in our setting and we own the rights to them could be used as basis for a movie"
I do have EU stuff as something I plan to get into eventually, and it actually makes me excited that there is more Star Wars out there to experience that is separate from the newest films. I know Andor is highly recommended, and someone here went out of there to say I should give them a chance, and I do plan to.
Also thank you for mentioning those prequel edits. I've never really checked out fan edits of films. The only ones I've been meaning to check out are edits of The Hobbit trilogy to cut them down to be more book accurate. I'm excited to check those out now that they're on my radar!
I've been meaning to download the 4k restoration versions of the original trilogy. I went to watch a version I had downloaded in college to show my future wife as she hasn't seen Star Wars before, and I was surprised by things I didn't remember from the old VHS set my brother and I ruined from watching so much. I told her I needed to find the old version and 9 years later it comes up and then something else happens so I forget to do it.
definitely get 4K77, 4K80, and 4K83 --- the expense and effort and all that is remarkable. The best part about Hal9000's edits is that it cuts down everything bad / draggy but you can't even tell...
definitely get 4K77, 4K80, and 4K83 --- the expense and effort and all that is remarkable.
The best part about Hal9000's edits is that it cuts down everything bad / draggy but you can't even tell that anything is missing.
As for Andor, that is the way new Star Wars should be. A story in the same universe but no Skywalkers, no lightsabres, etc -- the real fight. Andor and Rogue One are the right idea... even Skeleton Crew had the right approach.
Title crawl: "It's unclear how, but the Empire has returned somehow."
Please, just move forward or backward a few hundred years and let the Skywalkers rest in peace, and have some damn Jedi doing space samurai things.
The Ninth Jedi, Andor aside, is the best Star Wars we've had in a long time.
Can we just pretend the existing sequel trilogy never happened and start over?
The way Force Awakens hamfistedly brought the Empire back and hit a giant reset button on the OT characters can't be fixed. I simply do not buy it. Everything that happened in Return of the Jedi was for nothing; our heroes failed so catastrophically at building the new Republic that a Darth Vader cosplayer was able to completely topple it seemingly overnight. My suspension of disbelief has been permanently shattered.
I'm not a prequel lover, but I have to admit that the way it depicted the fall of the Old Republic was somewhat believable. It made sense.
Wrap the gigantic bureaucracy into a gigantic seemingly existential war, gaining support to giving more and more power to an authoritarian, and then that authoritarian uses his newfound authority to consolidate power, culminating with him disolving the Senate at the beginning of a New Hope. Makes sense. We've seen this kind of thing happen countless times throughout history.
A gigantic space laser that shoots halfway across the galaxy in a fraction of a second and destroys a bunch of planets is not something that could plausibly destroy a galaxy spanning government. The whole idea of it is stupid, and the idea that the Empire managed to just somehow escape and do another buildup without anyone noticing is also ridiculous.
It's like the writers never stopped to think that the citizens of the Old Republic, the citizens of the empire, and the citizens of the new Republic were all largely the same people.
Who the hell are the citizens of the first order?
I think it might actually be interesting for a franchise to make multiple branching sequels instead of the usual meandering sequential series.
I’m sure there are other examples, but that pretty much describes Ghost in the Shell. There is a film continuity, a continuity from the ‘Stand Alone Complex’ series which also includes a film, and then three other side series using similar themes and characters.
It kind of helps, you get a chance to do something different in each and avoids the problem of either having to ignore character arcs or elongate them. That said, the fandom seems pretty mixed on a bunch of the series, so it’s not clearly a slam dunk.
Honestly, I would be perfectly happy to see more movies with Skywalkers...I just don't want more "Skywalker saga" movies. Just give me characters I already know doing Star Wars shit so we don't have to spend 45-75 minutes setting up who everyone is.
Just don't make them about defeating the dark side once and for all again. Just new expanded universe stories are fine with me
"Somehow, Daisy Ridley's Rey returned"
"As a bitter, cynical failure who's hidden herself away and refuses to do anything about the problems she caused by attempting to murder Finn's oldest son, but backing off at the last second."
Whenever I see discourse about some new Star Wars project, a point made by RedLetterMedia becomes more clear to me, in that it feels like Star Wars fans themselves don't really know what they want, and without realizing it may not even like Star Wars anymore.
Using their cases in point: Andor is a well crafted story that's well lauded by the Star Wars fandom, but frankly it's just a story that's set in the Star Wars universe, it's a sociopolitical thriller of a story with a Star Wars aesthetic/veneer/filter applied over top. That core story could be applied to any other setting, swap out The Empire for some South American Junta, some Nazi Commandant in occupied Holland, etc. and you'd still effectively have the same story. However, it's widely regarded as some of the best stuff for the contemporary era. Frankly, I love Andor as it's contemporary media (in this day and age!) portraying a Lefty power struggle against a clearly Fascistic regime.
Contrast that with the reception for The Acolyte. The whole series was cancelled in the middle(?) of the first season's release cycle, it was so poorly received by the same fan base. Admittedly, the cinematography and art department wasn't doing The Acolyte any favors at all, but the story was doing something uniquely Star Wars in the sense that it was genuinely going deeper into the Star Wars lore, and was attempting to make canon details about the Dark Side of the force, and answer questions about the Sith in general. This is something that should have had the fan base excited beyond all measure, but it's unambiguously a failure to the point Disney is pretending it never even happened, and I don't blame them for it because wow was it corny, in all the bad ways.
So, whats the takeaway from all of this? It's not a totally iron-clad statement, but I think there's a lot of people who's just "tired" of Star Wars. Maybe even tired of it in ways they don't even actively realize yet, or maybe even too afraid to admit it, either to themselves or to the "community" of who they see as their peers.
Either way, I think I'm just gonna sit this one out. Maybe check it out 5 years after release or so, if this is some kind of "return to form" I can be pleasantly surprised.
I basically had this same conversation elsewhere with the same examples, and even the same context as the convo started in response to this announcement.
For me, Andor is a terrific example of the kind of story that could be told in Star Wars -- yeah, the story itself isn't star wars centric, and is mostly using the universe as backdrop, but that's the point for me. It's telling a great story in that world, and it doesn't have to be focused on jedi and sith.
Conversely, I didn't bother watching The Acolyte because I'd already been worn down by the number and quality of shows that had been released in quick succession. It just became too much with diminishing returns.
Frankly, I think it'd be neat to just explore more of the universe outside of Jedi. Have ever since I saw that SNL sketch with a bunch of fake Star Wars shows, and one of them was a space CSI. Reminded me of my teacher raving about a short story based on the couple in the cantina, and how the female ended up later killing the guy because of her species' mating practices. (Actually on that note: just straight-up adapt a bunch of the short stories, novels and comics. Would probably be a lot smoother and more coherent.)
They have a whole galaxy's worth of world-building to work with. They can do a lot of fun stuff outside the Skywalker family drama.
Seriously just... Don't even touch the last trilogy, too messyI really think Jedi and the force are the least interesting things about the universe at this point. It's all been explored and similar concepts exist in other popular media.
But then why make it a Star Wars movie? Why not just write a standalone SF/fantasy story?
I've written about this at length on this site before in response to a similar comment, but ill stay more succint here. Even as a mild fan of the original series, there is so much more to the franchise identity than just the Skywalker Family. Sure it's a throughline across most of the current series, but the worldbuilding specific to star wars, the light side/dark side struggles, anti authoritaran commentary, the iconography of the tech and the aliens, that is the core identity of the IP, the Skywalkers are just one vehicle to explore those things. Bioware's Knights of the Old Republic and Obsidian's sequel to it are the best and most thought provoking Star Wars media I have ever experienced by a large margin, exploring the politics, socioeconomics, and religion of the setting in ways that far outpace the movies in terms of depth. They are also set thousands of years before Anakin was even born and are essentially self contained. You don't need a chump related to Luke in someway to explore the settings themes and iconography.
If that read isnt cynical enough for you, you put it in the Star Wars franchise instead of an original IP for monetary and brand recognition reasons. People will turn out for Star Wars (or at least, they would have prior to the new trilogy being shat out with no overarching vision), but they might not turn out for Space Rebels: Fight For Freedom or whatever else they would call it.
If they want to get away from Jedi and Sith entirely, the nerd rage if this movie introduces the Yuuzhan Vong to the Disney era might be worth it.
When I originally misread the title of this thread as “John Waters” I was a lot more intrigued about it than when I realized it was Jon Watts.
Maybe it's a bit early to discuss anything?
And, to make us nerds happy:
Although his writing credits are a bit underwhelming, so we'll have to wait an indeterminate amount of time which may never end to see if it's any good.
They're getting the dude who failed to adapt 'The Dark Phoenix Saga' from X-Men twice to write it? I get the feeling himself and Watts are just getting hired as puppets for a committee of Disney execs to manipulate.
I’m not a Star Wars nerd, I only like the Original Trilogy and two thirds of the sequel trilogy.
But, I’ve had the idea for the past year of a sort of Duology. Doing like a House of the Dragon thing where it’s set however many hundreds of years before the Skywalker saga. I think The Acolyte was doing that. But I wanted something that predated Jedi’s and Sith’s, like the beginning eras of those religions and the origins of a bad guy that would eventually lead to the Sith.
That’s a broad idea and I mostly had visual ideas. Such as the tech looking more archaic and stone-like. Action scenes on a planet with fire and water colliding with one another. Using VistaVision and IMAX 70mm.
I’m not much of a sci fi writer or keen enough to learn enough about the lore of Star Wars. But, I was hoping Disney would do something like that as opposed to continuing the Skywalker saga which already ran its course and which was already milked for 7 billion dollars.
If we go by older things (Expanded Universe before the Disney nation attacked), it actually happened the other way around: the Red Sith were a singular species with a massive lowercase-e empire that oppressed many worlds, and their warrior caste were the ones the Yavin ruins were built for. They were based on a planet called Korriban, and were later followed by Exar Kun's Sith, and later (?) Revan. The "rule of two" Sith were something that came millennia later. They're basically LARPing.
The original Jedi were a rebellion against the original Sith empire, and their developed philosophy was a direct reaction to that abuse of power.
At least, that's my half-remembered understanding from one point in time. There was also a Sith empire following the Hyperspace War...which is depicted on the wall of Palpatine's office in the prequels. This particular one is considered modern canon, as it has references in the films. (And I've been saying for years that would be an excellent thing to explore.)
Some form of this probably would make for a good movie, but I highly doubt the untitled "origin of the Jedi" film that Disney does have on their roadmap will be anything like that. It will probably be a coup de grâce on the foundations of the whole series instead.
I think an issue is that Filloni is just too enamored by the Skywalker lore for Lucasfilm ever to be able to move on.
I think one of the reasons Andor worked for a lot of people (I haven’t seen it) is that Tony Gilroy has no reverence for the source material. And you need someone like that to enter and deliver something unique that breaks away. I think that’s why The Last Jedi worked so well.
Filoni is just high on his own farts and has been for a long time.
You’re misremembering, the Jedi had already existed for millennia before the Great Hyperspace war and Great Sith war. The great hyperspace war was between the old republic and the Sith empire in the first encounter between their regions of the galaxy. By this point both the Jedi and Sith (the race not the cult) were well established in their respective regions (This is ~5000 BBY).
The idea of “Sith” as dark jedi only became popular after Revan and Malak adopted the titles of Sith Lord. Even Exar Kun didn’t refer to himself as a Sith Lord.
Also while the ruins on Yavin 4 were built by Massasi (the Sith Warrior Caste), they were built when they were enslaved under Exar Kun, rather than by the Sith Empire.
Technically, the New Sith wars (which take place about 400 years after the Exar Kun) are the only piece of Legends media still being developed as part of The Old Republic MMO.
The time has finally come to make a Star Wars trilogy where we find out Jar Jar was the mastermind behind everything.
I really want to see a timeline where George Lucas pulled off Darth Jar Jar. And one where Finn was actually important.
I want an inspiring story, give me a person to look up to face adversity and learn something in order to succeed. I dont mean like making the hero a smartass. Instead make them compassionate and keep them human. If its not great then it is what it is and I will keep enjoying what I do find fun. Life will be good
Let it die already! I don't know a single person under the age of 50 who likes Star Wars at this point.
I like Star Wars and I'm 42, but I get your point. The fatigue is there. I can only hope that they learn something, anything from Andor. I don't even know what that means, but good Star Wars stories can still exist. I just don't know what interesting story is left to tell in a movie format.
This is just toxic. Not liking the sequels doesn’t make all Star Wars bad. There’s also been some good stuff out too. What a bad take.
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As a fan of Star Trek
That said, at least we got Andor.
As a fellow Star Trek fan, let's not get all high and mighty here...
I suffered through as much of Discovery and Picard as I could handle.
Well no, that's what I'm saying. Like OP I would prefer if Star Trek rights owners just let it die instead of doing with it what they have been doing. I actually think Star Wars may have been doing better than Star Trek in the last decade, there have been some bad and completely unnecessary movies but some of the shows were supposedly decent and nothing in the current Star Trek universe even approaches Andor.
Oh, true. I misinterpreted what you meant, sorry!
I agree with you honestly, Star Wars is doing a lot better than Star Trek. Star Wars has always been a heroes journey type story putting ultimate evil against ultimate good, and resisting the temptation to do the wrong thing, even for the right reasons.
In that respect, most of the new movies still mostly do that? They just do it really badly.
With most of the new Star Trek shows, I was left asking myself if anyone involved in the writing ever actually saw a TOS or TNG episode, or if basically all of their knowledge came from cultural osmosis. Most of the new shows just completely miss the point of what Star Trek was even about.
I like Hal9000's edits of the prequels and the 35mm 4k\d+ versions of the OT, Andor, Rogue One, and a few episodes here and there --- but yeah, absolutely let it die. I've read over a hundred of the EU books (only Legends.) They really fucked up by splitting it instead of just doing Legacy of the Force.
It sucks, but they just don't seem to understand what Star Wars is and I don't understand how this can be. They can push just as many toys with good stories.
Instead of Solo they should have done Scoundrels -- a good ol heist film.. but noooo.
I always thought the split made since, like the MCU it gave them the ability to adapt the stories to film without contradicting the lore established in the comics/books.
Instead they pretty much threw the baby out with the bathwater and we have the current mess. If you told me as a kid years ago we'd have more Star Wars movies I would have been excited. Now I've just lost interest and only plan to show my kids the first 6 movies when they're old enough.
its so sad, right? The first six are perfect -- and I kind of prefer Hal9000s prequel edits to the OT these days.
Speaking of throwing babies out, they should have done that with stupid Grogu after they left the Lone Wolf and Cub stuff. So much wasted potential.
Can they make up for it? Yes! Give me nine hours of Darth Bane.
I hope that a new director just looks at the mountain of EU content they're sitting on and decides "hey some of these stories that are premade in our setting and we own the rights to them could be used as basis for a movie"
I do have EU stuff as something I plan to get into eventually, and it actually makes me excited that there is more Star Wars out there to experience that is separate from the newest films. I know Andor is highly recommended, and someone here went out of there to say I should give them a chance, and I do plan to.
Also thank you for mentioning those prequel edits. I've never really checked out fan edits of films. The only ones I've been meaning to check out are edits of The Hobbit trilogy to cut them down to be more book accurate. I'm excited to check those out now that they're on my radar!
I've been meaning to download the 4k restoration versions of the original trilogy. I went to watch a version I had downloaded in college to show my future wife as she hasn't seen Star Wars before, and I was surprised by things I didn't remember from the old VHS set my brother and I ruined from watching so much. I told her I needed to find the old version and 9 years later it comes up and then something else happens so I forget to do it.
definitely get 4K77, 4K80, and 4K83 --- the expense and effort and all that is remarkable.
The best part about Hal9000's edits is that it cuts down everything bad / draggy but you can't even tell that anything is missing.
As for Andor, that is the way new Star Wars should be. A story in the same universe but no Skywalkers, no lightsabres, etc -- the real fight. Andor and Rogue One are the right idea... even Skeleton Crew had the right approach.