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Satisfiers vs maximizers

Id never heard the terms satisfier or maximizer til I was having a discussion with my then girlfriend about the difference in the way we select things. The difference became apparent when she wanted to buy a new lawnmower. We walked into a big box store, she looked at a row of 10 mowers and said "I want that one" pointing at the second one. Being a maximizer I thought she meant that was her first choice out of the 10 options here but obviously we had two more stores and many more options to check out.

Nope.

She meant she had looked them over in 2 minutes and THAT mower was her final choice.

I honestly was quite surprised. "You don't wanna shop around? Compare features? Compare prices?" No, that's not what satisfiers do. Satisfiers just find the first thing that satisfies their needs and go with it.

Which is why my wife can select anything and everything very quickly and I end up making a spreadsheet to do a thorough cost benefit analysis on anything important. I even had one when I was dating for every woman I went out for coffee. And fortunately, she didn't - she just started reverse alphabetically and since my username was near the end of the alphabet I won the luck of the draw.

And here we are happily celebrating our 15th anniversary next week. Who says you gotta be the same to be compatible lol?

Are you a satisfier or a maximizer?

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  1. [4]
    papasquat
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    I think everyone is both in different situations. I personally don't give a shit about brands of food. If I want a sandwich, I'll go to the bread aisle and grab the first thing that I see. My...

    I think everyone is both in different situations. I personally don't give a shit about brands of food. If I want a sandwich, I'll go to the bread aisle and grab the first thing that I see.

    My fiance will spend 15 minutes comparing the prices, nutritional values, staleness, and packaging of like 50 different loaves, and she does this with basically every food item.

    On the flip side, if I need a new monitor or something, I'll spend weeks or months researching specs, reading reviews, comparing prices, and shopping around before making a decision.

    My fiance would just go to a goodwill and pick up a random used piece of crap, or just take someone's old obselete monitor.

    She doesn't value computer monitors much, and I don't value bread much.

    I'm sure your wife does have things she's particular about. It probably just isn't lawnmowers.

    42 votes
    1. [3]
      lelio
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      My thoughts exactly. If you've ever played, it's like Zachtronics games. they usually have a "score" for multiple things, like in Opus Magnum you build little machines and optimize for : cycle...

      My thoughts exactly.

      If you've ever played, it's like Zachtronics games. they usually have a "score" for multiple things, like in Opus Magnum you build little machines and optimize for : cycle times, size, and cost. Having to meet a minimum for each, but can retry for fun to optimize. I was surprised to see that my friend was always optimized for size. I had always automatically gone for cycle times. My only thoughts on size were that it would be nice to make it smaller, but only when it might help speed up cycle times, though!

      7 votes
      1. Bonooru
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        Oh interesting... I seem to remember tending to go for the shortest cycle length until a repeat (rather than the total number of cycles). Those were consistently the most satisfying to watch...

        Oh interesting... I seem to remember tending to go for the shortest cycle length until a repeat (rather than the total number of cycles). Those were consistently the most satisfying to watch complete the puzzle

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      2. RheingoldRiver
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        When I played SpaceChem, I'd always go back and try to re-solve it optimizing for each metric one at a time

        I was surprised to see that my friend was always optimized for size. I had always automatically gone for cycle times.

        When I played SpaceChem, I'd always go back and try to re-solve it optimizing for each metric one at a time

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    kaffo
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    Lord.... I am definitely a maximiser but I am trying very hard to be more of a satisfier when it honestly doesn't matter. Because like you say, it's a huge amount of effort and time to actually...

    Lord.... I am definitely a maximiser but I am trying very hard to be more of a satisfier when it honestly doesn't matter. Because like you say, it's a huge amount of effort and time to actually get a result and honestly noone needs that for everything.
    So lots of time and effort to select a USB C cable for my car is a work in progress lol.

    20 votes
    1. Baeocystin
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      I am extra picky about good cabling, but I have to laugh at the universe teaching me a lesson when the took-way-too-long-to-research overpriced cable from Amazon failed early on a business trip,...

      So lots of time and effort to select a USB C cable for my car is a work in progress lol.

      I am extra picky about good cabling, but I have to laugh at the universe teaching me a lesson when the took-way-too-long-to-research overpriced cable from Amazon failed early on a business trip, and the cheapie all I could find gas station cable has been solid for the past year+.

      13 votes
    2. Carrow
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      Yep, another maximizer with the same problem here. I maximize to my detriment. Needed new controller batteries last night, but I couldn't just pick a pack and go. I needed to make sure I had the...

      Yep, another maximizer with the same problem here. I maximize to my detriment. Needed new controller batteries last night, but I couldn't just pick a pack and go.

      I needed to make sure I had the right chemistry with low self discharge and high recharge cycles while finding a reviewer that has tested various brands to ensure I get what I'm paying for...

      Will I appreciate it? Compared to buying the cheapest ones, sure, in the long term. Enough so that it was worth the effort? ...probably not.

      USB C has made cable buying a whole thing now too.

      10 votes
    3. [4]
      JCPhoenix
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      The first time I was looking for a USB-C cable and a USB-C power bank, it was for my Switch. I had heard there was something weird with the Switch, like it lacked proper PD or something. And I was...

      The first time I was looking for a USB-C cable and a USB-C power bank, it was for my Switch. I had heard there was something weird with the Switch, like it lacked proper PD or something. And I was traveling overseas, so I wanted to make sure I could properly charge my Switch on the go. I think I spent like 8hrs straight looking at reddit posts, looking at Amazon review, looking at Benson Leung's chart of USB-C cables...I think I started at like 8pm and finally pulled the trigger on Amazon at like 4am.

      Now the cable and power bank worked perfectly. But maybe I could've spent less than 8hrs and achieved the same results. I'm definitely a maximizer.

      6 votes
      1. [3]
        Carrow
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        There was a lot of hoopla about the Switch PD situation without a lot of evidence, don't blame you for taking the extra time to ensure you got a safe product. Here's a FAQ covering this situation....

        There was a lot of hoopla about the Switch PD situation without a lot of evidence, don't blame you for taking the extra time to ensure you got a safe product. Here's a FAQ covering this situation.

        https://switchchargers.com/nintendo-switch-bricking-faq/

        Basically, some third party docks shirked on the PD chip and caused bricks. Most every power bank/charger already had one to make them work with an array of USB C devices, so it was a non issue there. I'm still picky about which USB C device gets charged off what charger any way even though I don't use cheap junk chargers.

        4 votes
        1. [2]
          ButteredToast
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          It’s worthwhile to be somewhat picky with cables too, but charger bricks are really the thing that’s dangerous to skimp out on. This blog post is ancient by now but it still demonstrates well how...

          It’s worthwhile to be somewhat picky with cables too, but charger bricks are really the thing that’s dangerous to skimp out on.

          This blog post is ancient by now but it still demonstrates well how wildly different quality chargers from their cheap counterparts internally. When so many components are getting cut the number of things that can go wrong as well as badly they can go wrong skyrockets.

          Of course, things can still go wrong with nicer chargers as shown in that same blog post, but your chances of it happening are lower and when it does it’s less likely to be catastrophic.

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          1. Carrow
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            Oh absolutely, excellent link, I shouldn't have undermined how dangerous cheap chargers can be. This post lays out exactly why I only use the supplied chargers for a given device and never buy...

            Oh absolutely, excellent link, I shouldn't have undermined how dangerous cheap chargers can be. This post lays out exactly why I only use the supplied chargers for a given device and never buy random ones. My partner thinks I'm just being particular, I should get this to them.

            Thank you for sharing :)

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    4. Minori
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      Extremely relatable! The thing that finally helped me relax and pick the "probably okay" option more often was deciding that I'd buy a fancy version later if the mediocre, cheap version was...

      Extremely relatable!

      The thing that finally helped me relax and pick the "probably okay" option more often was deciding that I'd buy a fancy version later if the mediocre, cheap version was insufficient. For example, my bike has never been stolen, so I just bought a solid u-lock instead of shelling out for one of the angle grinder resistant locks for three times the price! If my bike is ever stolen though then I know what I'm buying next.

      4 votes
  3. [3]
    Noox
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    I'm definitely a satisfier married to a maximizer, but for a second I was incredibly confused and thought we were talking about something, err, else :') Interesting ideas though! Never really...

    I'm definitely a satisfier married to a maximizer, but for a second I was incredibly confused and thought we were talking about something, err, else :')

    Interesting ideas though! Never really realised that's what our dynamic was - I just figured it was my ADHD lol

    18 votes
    1. [2]
      omid
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      Your confusion probably stems from the fact that the term is actually called satisficer. “Satisficing” is a portmanteau of satisfy and suffice. Sorry not sorry for spell-checking everyone in this...

      Your confusion probably stems from the fact that the term is actually called satisficer. “Satisficing” is a portmanteau of satisfy and suffice.

      Sorry not sorry for spell-checking everyone in this thread :’)

      Wikipedia: Satisficing

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      1. gowestyoungman
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        Well wait til my wife hears she's been using the wrong word... Course, she'll be satisfied with her old word.

        Well wait til my wife hears she's been using the wrong word... Course, she'll be satisfied with her old word.

        16 votes
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    Boojum
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    For many things (especially electronics), I identify with Calvin's dad buying peanut butter.

    For many things (especially electronics), I identify with Calvin's dad buying peanut butter.

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    1. mattsayar
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      I'll tell you what's been helpful for me: using ChatGPT o3 to search the web and compare stuff for me. Most recently, I did that for car tires. If you don't like what it chose, tell it to choose...

      I'll tell you what's been helpful for me: using ChatGPT o3 to search the web and compare stuff for me. Most recently, I did that for car tires. If you don't like what it chose, tell it to choose something else!

  5. Baeocystin
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    Barry Schwartz' The Paradox of Choice was where I first came across the concept of Satisfiers vs. Maximizers, and it arrived as a concept just when I needed it. I am by nature a Maximizer, to the...

    Barry Schwartz' The Paradox of Choice was where I first came across the concept of Satisfiers vs. Maximizers, and it arrived as a concept just when I needed it. I am by nature a Maximizer, to the point where it made me (unwittingly) quite unhappy, as the cognitive and stress overload of making the 'right' choice was miserable. Switching to a satisficing mindset has been so much better for my overall mental health, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say it's one of the more important lessons I've learned over the years.

    Of course, that doesn't mean I don't care at all about features, value, quality, etc etc etc. It just means that I now, for the first time, properly take the cognitive load, possible extra benefit, and all the overhead in to the cost evaluation function when making my decision. And honestly, once you've hit 90%+ of your need/want, you're almost certainly fine, and it really is to your benefit to stop, decide, then move on to the next thing. It really is mentally freeing.

    13 votes
  6. zod000
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    Where I land on the satisficer vs maximizer depends on the item in question. Generally the more I will use the item or how long I suspect I'll own it. So, in cases of which peanut butter to buy...

    Where I land on the satisficer vs maximizer depends on the item in question. Generally the more I will use the item or how long I suspect I'll own it. So, in cases of which peanut butter to buy (see: Boojum's comment), I won't be fretting over all the choices much. Where as something like my desk chair that I sit in every day for many hours, for many years, I will maximize the hell out of it.

    10 votes
  7. RoyalHenOil
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    I feel like I can be both, depending on the situation. In general, I tend to be more a maximizer if I'm in a good or energetic mood, and I am more likely to be a satisficer if I'm tired or...

    I feel like I can be both, depending on the situation. In general, I tend to be more a maximizer if I'm in a good or energetic mood, and I am more likely to be a satisficer if I'm tired or impatient. I would consider "satisficer" a misnomer, however, because I am almost always happier with purchases that I maximize. This is for a few reasons, I think:

    1. I hate waste. I rarely remember the research I put into a purchase, but low durability or suitability will bug me until I get rid of the thing — and getting rid of something that I expected to keep a long time causes me a lot of resentment. I still remember bad impulse purchases I made decades ago; it's similar feeling to remembering being taken advantage of.
    2. Depending on the product category, I enjoy making decisions and window shopping. Sometimes I weigh the pros and cons of hypothetical purchases (which I don't actually intend to make) just as a pastime.
    3. I generally understand my needs and wants quite well. I usually go into a purchase knowing what I'm after (and, just as importantly, what I'm not after), and then it's a matter of finding out whether any products suffice for the right budget. I try to avoid over-buying and aim for products without a lot of extraneous features, since they come with a cost — in terms of money, durability, and ease of use.
    4. If I find a product that hits the sweet spot, it gives me a lot of pleasure for a very long time. Whenever I look at it, I remember how it perfectly suits my household. Even if a "better" version exists, I am fine because that doesn't change the nature of the product I have.
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    JCPhoenix
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    Definitely a Maximizer. Or is it decision paralysis? Either way, it tends to show up most with electronics shopping, but travel is the other one where I'm really bad. It can take me hours to look...

    Definitely a Maximizer. Or is it decision paralysis? Either way, it tends to show up most with electronics shopping, but travel is the other one where I'm really bad.

    It can take me hours to look at flights, times, days, carriers (even though I'm pretty much guaranteed to go with Delta or Southwest), alternative means of transportation like Amtrak, if possible, etc, etc.

    Same for the hotel. I almost exclusively use Marriott properties. Yet I'm going to look at all 10 properties in the area I want to stay at. Then I'm going to look at not only the Marriott site, but also my credit cards' travel sites. Gonna see if there are deals with using this CC versus that CC. What restaurants and shops are in the area? What does street view look like? So on and so forth.

    I might spend an entire evening looking at transportation, sleep on it for a night or two, then spend an entire evening looking at hotels, and sleep on that for a night or two. Sometimes transportation is two whole evenings.

    But I'll have next to no plans for what I'm actually going to do once I get there. I just wing it. Walk around, maybe look at the local CVB site for some ideas -- once I'm in town -- and just play it entirely by ear. I don't even plan out the whole trip.

    7 votes
    1. [2]
      Minori
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      I assume you don't mean Central Violations Bureau?

      I assume you don't mean Central Violations Bureau?

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      1. JCPhoenix
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        Ha, not quite. But now I got something new I can go down the wikipedia rabbit hole on! Anyway, it's the Convention and Visitors Bureau. Most cities have one and their websites (such as Washington...

        Ha, not quite. But now I got something new I can go down the wikipedia rabbit hole on!

        Anyway, it's the Convention and Visitors Bureau. Most cities have one and their websites (such as Washington DC's) are great for learning about attractions in town, eateries and bars, plus anything that might be going on the weekend I'm there. Concerts, special events, etc. They sometimes even have discounts and coupons for those places/events. Nice one stop shop.

        Even though I work in IT, I've spent way too much in the event planning space...

        4 votes
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    Notcoffeetable
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    As with anything my partner and I have different areas where we are satisfiers or maximizers. For most physical objects she is a satisfier, for occasions or event planning she is a mazimizer. The...

    As with anything my partner and I have different areas where we are satisfiers or maximizers. For most physical objects she is a satisfier, for occasions or event planning she is a mazimizer.

    The lawn mower is an interesting case. We bought one recently, and if we had been in the market for a gas mower I probably would have just looked at some general reviews for reliability and picked one that I liked the look of. But we were shopping for electric and that means buying into a battery ecosystem. So I did a lot of research on what other tools the same company produces and performance of those tools. What made me pick the Ego mower was that they have a higher voltage and snow/leaf blowers operate better with that higher voltage. So yeah I guess I picked my lawn mower based on a leaf blower I might not buy. (Though this mower was well rated and I like it so that's fine.)

    6 votes
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      gowestyoungman
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      You won't go wrong with Ego. We have the weed whipper and the leaf blower and both work very well. I like their product so much I'm actually kind of intrigued with buying their electric minibike...

      You won't go wrong with Ego. We have the weed whipper and the leaf blower and both work very well.
      I like their product so much I'm actually kind of intrigued with buying their electric minibike "for the grandkids"
      https://egopowerplus.com/power-plus-mini-bike-mb1000/
      I mean, it comes with two batteries so my wife (who loves doing yardwork) won't ever run out of weed eater batteries, right? I'm quite thoughtful that way 😉

      3 votes
      1. Notcoffeetable
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        I'm quite pleased with the weedwhacker as well, much better than the corded electric models I used growing up. I do have my eye on their edging attachment. Just waiting for the local shop to have...

        I'm quite pleased with the weedwhacker as well, much better than the corded electric models I used growing up. I do have my eye on their edging attachment. Just waiting for the local shop to have it in stock!

        I probably will pick up a snowblower or something later this year. Being in Colorado we are duty bound to shovel sidewalks around our homes and our new corner lot has a lot of sidewalk.

        1 vote
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    Pavouk106
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    Very difficult question. I can be both, I guess. I definitely like to buy things based on "what you get per buck" which tells me I'm maximizer. But then there are things I buy based on "I already...

    Very difficult question.

    I can be both, I guess.

    I definitely like to buy things based on "what you get per buck" which tells me I'm maximizer.

    But then there are things I buy based on "I already have this in my hand so I'm not gobna change it for that". My wife hates this side of me. When she asks if I want this or that (ie. which T-shirt I want to wear), I tell her to pick the one on top or on the right - each of them will.do the job fine.

    I can buy cheap thing if it works for me (ie. my smartphone Nokia G22) and yet I'm willing to spend money on expensive one if the criteria is the same - it works (ie. my Unifi APs I bought for the house). And I can even sit somewhere in between (I would buy Framework Laptop 12 - it's almost as good as 13 and costs much less, while still being more expensive than mass-made laptops of similar peeformance; but it is repairable and upgradeable, which is why I would pick that instead of cheap crap from ie. HP).

    EDIT: I totally understand your girlfriend though. She will be living much happier life, probably more happy than many of us here. She doesn't care that much about everything and YOLOs it. I hope she picks right choices and they don't turn against them (ie. the mower will keep working fine). I can totally understand the view of "this works for me, I don't want to look further".

    5 votes
    1. BeardyHat
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      I would also say I straddle both worlds and it's all dependent on how much money I'm spending, at least, when it comes to purchases. I agonized over a "new" (still used) laptop for several months...

      I would also say I straddle both worlds and it's all dependent on how much money I'm spending, at least, when it comes to purchases.

      I agonized over a "new" (still used) laptop for several months until finally deciding on what I actually wanted. I wrote out long lists and detailed thoughts on the process.

      However, I just spent $120 on a new battery charger for my RC batteries. I poked around for about 15 minutes, figured out which one had the features I wanted and likely wouldn't bloat my batteries and then went bought it. So far, it's been great.

      But, I've also been married to my wife for 13 years now, dating for 17 and she was kind of a, "Eh, this will due." for me and I was the same for her. We liked each other well enough when we met and there were some certain things I really liked about her that made me want to keep hanging with her (her sharp wit and sarcasm) and again, she felt the same about me. We certainly were both "Satisfied" with each other (or would you call it settling?), but now I can't imagine ever being with anyone else. If she died tomorrow, I likely would never date again.

      5 votes
  11. CannibalisticApple
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    I think I'm in both camps, depending on what I buy. Generally if it's a big purchase, I'll be a lot more picky and careful since ideally it'll last me for years. For smaller stuff though it can go...

    I think I'm in both camps, depending on what I buy. Generally if it's a big purchase, I'll be a lot more picky and careful since ideally it'll last me for years. For smaller stuff though it can go either way.

    Weirdly I think the maximizer instinct also triggers more shopping online than in a physical store. USB cable for our phone chargers? I looked at the Amazon reviews for multiple listings to decide on one, but then I bought a USB cable for my Macbook charger when at Five Below. Headphones? Put off buying them and had even considered asking audiophiles for recommendations, but if I saw some in a store at a decent price with wires and the ability to fold down, I'd just buy those. (Still kinda need a new pair actually, my dad got me some for Christmas a couple years ago but they're very bulky and don't fold down, so not really the best for casual use.) I also did a lot of research when buying a radio for my mom online last Christmas, but I know I would have bought whatever was inside a store.

    I guess the existence of reviews is more likely to trigger that instinct to find the best option.

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  12. patience_limited
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    I'm a compulsive maximizer, married to someone who's a satisficer/maximizer depending on the thing. We both made spreadsheets when house shopping or buying a TV or car - the effort is usually...

    I'm a compulsive maximizer, married to someone who's a satisficer/maximizer depending on the thing. We both made spreadsheets when house shopping or buying a TV or car - the effort is usually proportional to the expenditure. We drove our realtor crazy because we looked at 20+ houses before finding the one that checked the most boxes.

    He'll browse /r/BIFL for specifics like belts or boots, but buys random Target t-shirts or earbuds. I'll spend weeks looking for a bag (never just a "purse") that can carry and organize the specific tools, cables, cosmetics, cards, devices, etc. that I feel compelled to have with me at all times, without being hideous. This is my current EDC.

    I've found that I can keep the maximizing tendency under control by setting a budget limit and a deadline before shopping. If I can't meet either one, I don't buy anything until it becomes unavoidable... thus forcing a satisficed decision. Does it make me happier? No, but it wastes less energy, time, and money on the previously mentioned analysis paralysis. For some things, the available choices have all reached a local maxima of median quality (e.g. eggs, soy milk, disposable pens, garden soil...) where I can confidently grab whatever's on the shelf at Costco without regrets.

    5 votes
  13. Lia
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    I am a Multiplicator-Maximiser. Not only do I attempt to maximise the hell out of every single choice, I also avoid making any choices unless/until making one can serve at least two different...

    I am a Multiplicator-Maximiser.

    Not only do I attempt to maximise the hell out of every single choice, I also avoid making any choices unless/until making one can serve at least two different objectives, and in that case, I will attempt to maximise all outcomes.

    I think I'm like this due to my inattentive ADHD. Making the wrong choice usually has severe repercussions, and making any choice takes up so much energy that it's not too much harder to make an optimal choice while I'm at it, rather than just any choice.

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  14. Randomise
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    Good question! I'll have to go with "it depends", too. With your definition, I'm a satisfier at heart. I will take what is available to me and run with that. I will choose what I need on very few...

    Good question!

    I'll have to go with "it depends", too. With your definition, I'm a satisfier at heart. I will take what is available to me and run with that. I will choose what I need on very few criterias, mostly utilitary. I.e. I want a wireless keyboard: I'll but any keyboard that I can use wirelessly; I want a new desk: I'll buy any desk that has the required height and two drawers. Stuff like that.

    I'll maximize if I want a good X. For instance, I renewed a lot of my camping gear this year and for most of it, I was a maximizer. I want the best lightweight camping chair. I want the best low-hardtop camping table.

    My philosophy is mostly "buy what you need first. Maximize the 2nd buy with what you want."

    3 votes
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    ButteredToast
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    For me it varies. There are some things where I’ll put considerable time and effort into research and others where I just want to get it out of my hair and move on. There’s not necessarily much...

    For me it varies. There are some things where I’ll put considerable time and effort into research and others where I just want to get it out of my hair and move on.

    There’s not necessarily much consistency with where I land on the spectrum with each thing, except that there’s a tendency for “bigger” decisions to lean more in the satisfier direction and more trivial ones in the maximizer direction, which is probably the reverse of what most would find intuitive. I haven’t sat down and picked apart why I’m this way but my guess is that for bigger things, analysis paralysis is a bigger risk as is regret, both of which can be minimized by just not thinking about it all that deeply. On the other hand, if my research on figuring out which water bottle or pair of headphones or whatever is best doesn’t pan out, the stakes are pretty low.

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    1. Boojum
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      I've observed this effect in my own decisions. Weirdly, the larger a decision is, the more likely I am to just "wing it" and go with my gut. At least for me, I'm pretty sure that it's an internal...

      I've observed this effect in my own decisions. Weirdly, the larger a decision is, the more likely I am to just "wing it" and go with my gut. At least for me, I'm pretty sure that it's an internal form of Parkinson's Law of Triviality and Bike-shedding.

      Poul-Henning Kamp's description of bike-shedding

      Parkinson shows how you can go in to the board of directors and
      get approval for building a multi-million or even billion dollar
      atomic power plant, but if you want to build a bike shed you will
      be tangled up in endless discussions.

      Parkinson explains that this is because an atomic plant is so vast,
      so expensive and so complicated that people cannot grasp it, and
      rather than try, they fall back on the assumption that somebody
      else checked all the details before it got this far. Richard P.
      Feynmann gives a couple of interesting, and very much to the point,
      examples relating to Los Alamos in his books.

      A bike shed on the other hand. Anyone can build one of those over
      a weekend, and still have time to watch the game on TV. So no
      matter how well prepared, no matter how reasonable you are with
      your proposal, somebody will seize the chance to show that he is
      doing his job, that he is paying attention, that he is here.

      Except that instead of arguing with others or on a committee, it's an internal, mental debate with one's self over the correct course of action.

      2 votes