Mods just need to start doing absolute bare minimum. Remove the explicitly flagged hate stuff, but otherwise just be really lazy. Don't bother fixing stuff when it breaks, or updating the bots....
Mods just need to start doing absolute bare minimum. Remove the explicitly flagged hate stuff, but otherwise just be really lazy.
Don't bother fixing stuff when it breaks, or updating the bots. Just let it fall apart and let the rot show for what it is.
I think the problem though is that many are moderators of communities they care about, with members they care about. Like the article said, they fear any changes to the moderation team would hurt...
I think the problem though is that many are moderators of communities they care about, with members they care about. Like the article said, they fear any changes to the moderation team would hurt the people who possibly rely on the subreddit for things like emotional support (i.e. r/military). I would think doing the bare minimum would hurt them more than Reddit.
Reddit is permanently and totally corrupted. It's foolish for moderators to imagine that their subreddit is some sort of oasis in that desert, and anything mods do to preserve their particular...
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Reddit is permanently and totally corrupted. It's foolish for moderators to imagine that their subreddit is some sort of oasis in that desert, and anything mods do to preserve their particular subreddit only helps bolster the monstrosity that Reddit has become. If a specific community is that important, the only ethical course of action is to move it elsewhere.
I don’t disagree that Reddit has become a monstrosity, but moving a community isn’t that easy, as we’re seeing with the splits between so many early alternatives and not knowing what’s going to...
I don’t disagree that Reddit has become a monstrosity, but moving a community isn’t that easy, as we’re seeing with the splits between so many early alternatives and not knowing what’s going to survive longer term.
I’m also not saying that the moderators see their community as an oasis in the desert. But when you care about individuals in the community, there’s a sense of obligation to not let them down.
The operative word being "unified" which is next to impossible to achieve. If you get all mods to agree you will have a hard time reaching all your users. This in itself presents the biggest...
The operative word being "unified" which is next to impossible to achieve. If you get all mods to agree you will have a hard time reaching all your users. This in itself presents the biggest roadblock, ideally you'd close up shop and redirect users to the new platform. Reddit will most certainly not allow this, their approach to protesting subreddits that were not even aiming to migrate made that abundantly clear.
So this means that, at the very least, you are looking at splitting your community over platforms. This is far from a unified approach.
This isn't even touching on the lack of viable long term platforms out there. Tildes is something completely different and not a valid migration path. Lemmy is very immature, instance owners are confronted with new bugs every day, not to mention the costs of hosting an instance.
Yes, in principle I agree with your sentiment, in practice it simply isn't a realistic way of approaching the situation.
Yeah mods want to care for their community but unless they can organize an exodus it's just better to abandon the site. It's only fair after the site has abandoned its users in the name of a...
Yeah mods want to care for their community but unless they can organize an exodus it's just better to abandon the site. It's only fair after the site has abandoned its users in the name of a sell-out IPO.
Honestly I could see Deimos going full non-profit and offer an easy mode installer/updater for Tildes, so any community that wanted could host their own TildInstance on AWS. I think the only...
Honestly I could see Deimos going full non-profit and offer an easy mode installer/updater for Tildes, so any community that wanted could host their own TildInstance on AWS.
I think the only reasonable way that major service subreddits can be safe is to move the subreddit to an easily accessible self hosted system.
The cherry on top would be if TalkLittle added a feature to his app that allowed adding additional Tildes instances to it.
I know it would be a lot of work, but I feel like that 10% of non-lurkers might actually throw some money at a Wikipedia style fund drive for something like this.
Ultimately the answer is going to be moving the community elsewhere. Permanently pinned thread at top directing them to the new one. I get the why though. I'm thinking more like the /r/pics...
Ultimately the answer is going to be moving the community elsewhere. Permanently pinned thread at top directing them to the new one.
I get the why though. I'm thinking more like the /r/pics community fundementally.
Is there a community in /r/pics? Seems to me like most of the larger subs like that are just catch-alls that don't have dedicated communities and just catch comments from all of reddit.
Is there a community in /r/pics? Seems to me like most of the larger subs like that are just catch-alls that don't have dedicated communities and just catch comments from all of reddit.
I think Reddit mods should create new communities in the Fediverse, and then promote those new communities in their subreddits. Hopefully they will be able to bring all of their active...
I think Reddit mods should create new communities in the Fediverse, and then promote those new communities in their subreddits. Hopefully they will be able to bring all of their active contributors there (wherever "there" is). I don't see Reddit going back.to the way it was - they don't even have the mod tools they need to do their job.
That has had... Limited success so far. For example, I used to be a regular participant on the MMA subreddit. One of the mods opened an instance on Kbin, but since the subreddit reopened, activity...
That has had... Limited success so far. For example, I used to be a regular participant on the MMA subreddit. One of the mods opened an instance on Kbin, but since the subreddit reopened, activity on Kbin has basically died. People are creatures of habit.
As it is I used that subreddit as my combat sports haven, and now I'm kinda floating in the breeze since I dropped off the face of Reddit earth
I created and moderate a small, very niche subreddit and desperately want to move it but support from the users has been limited. They just don't really seem interested. At this point that's the...
I created and moderate a small, very niche subreddit and desperately want to move it but support from the users has been limited. They just don't really seem interested. At this point that's the only thing I log on Reddit to look at and I don't have to do any active moderation anyways because our users are all very well behaved. I want to open a community on the fediverse but I'll get maybe 6 of our reddit users to join and the rest will keep using what they're using. They're very creative and fun so I can't bring myself to just stop looking at it.
Can you create a community on the Fediverse and also keep visiting the subreddit? That way maybe you can organically grow the Fedi group so that over time, you can leave the sub?
Can you create a community on the Fediverse and also keep visiting the subreddit? That way maybe you can organically grow the Fedi group so that over time, you can leave the sub?
Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Force their hand via malicious compliance. Quality Mods are a scarce resource. Part of the reason I think Tildes has the vibe it does is because of an abnormally...
Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Force their hand via malicious compliance.
Quality Mods are a scarce resource. Part of the reason I think Tildes has the vibe it does is because of an abnormally high Mod population. Reddit is gonna have to bite the bullet and onboard some mod staff as the good-faith volunteers burn out and drift away.
And a passionate volunteer with concern for the community will do a lot better than someone punching in their 9-5. But at least then Reddit can be responsible for covering the 95% of reddit.
I doubt that'll happen. I think they'll bandaid it for now, push to IPO, cash out, sell, and let the next person inherit the issues that no investment group would be able to find without being a...
I doubt that'll happen. I think they'll bandaid it for now, push to IPO, cash out, sell, and let the next person inherit the issues that no investment group would be able to find without being a longtime user and seeing the downfall.
Tildes doesn't do images and that cuts down most of the absent minded scrolling/joking. The admin does all of the moderation for the site as it doesn't have mod tools. He has to manually update...
Tildes doesn't do images and that cuts down most of the absent minded scrolling/joking. The admin does all of the moderation for the site as it doesn't have mod tools. He has to manually update the database when he moderates.
Oh I know. When I say Mod population, I mean "People whom have moderated other large online spaces," not actual mods. I've seen numbers along the lines of the usual population of a site is...
Oh I know. When I say Mod population, I mean "People whom have moderated other large online spaces," not actual mods. I've seen numbers along the lines of the usual population of a site is something like 1000/100/1 for Readers/Posters/Mods. And Tildes is almost definitely more like 1000/100/5. Before the most recent influx, I'd daresay it was more like 1000/100/20.
Courtesy of the nature of its birth, there's just an abnormally high percentage of people who have helped manage communities. I think thats part of why Demios has been able to get away with single-mod for so long.
Are you referring to The 90-9-1 Rule for Participation Inequality in Social Media and Online Communities? That's about how many people are active, not how many people are moderators. But, on your...
I've seen numbers along the lines of the usual population of a site is something like 1000/100/1 for Readers/Posters/Mods.
Your memory is better than mine, but I saw a discussion somewhere that extended that 1 down an extra slice for 'heavy users whom make good mods". So fully baked, thats on the order of 1 potential...
Your memory is better than mine, but I saw a discussion somewhere that extended that 1 down an extra slice for 'heavy users whom make good mods".
So fully baked, thats on the order of 1 potential mod per 999.
Oh, that's not true in general. There are some specific, rare things that I need to do that take manual database updates, but there are built-in tools for all of the common tasks. No other users...
He has to manually update the database when he moderates.
Oh, that's not true in general. There are some specific, rare things that I need to do that take manual database updates, but there are built-in tools for all of the common tasks. No other users currently have access to these tools, but it would be possible to give them to anyone.
Oh good to hear. I thought you had stuck with an elaborate set of scripts but it's good to hear you've been able to code some of it. I know I've gotten stuck in the "get something that works"...
Oh good to hear. I thought you had stuck with an elaborate set of scripts but it's good to hear you've been able to code some of it. I know I've gotten stuck in the "get something that works" model for too long on projects.
It'd be hilarious to me if subreddits changed their rules to ban every post that's not on the Digg front page. It doesn't need to be publicly stated, but that they're looking for "top quality...
It'd be hilarious to me if subreddits changed their rules to ban every post that's not on the Digg front page.
It doesn't need to be publicly stated, but that they're looking for "top quality content that only careful curation can achieve"
I think this is already happening in some of the subs I frequent. There are instances where posts should have been removed because of being unrelated or duplicate posts but the mods aren't doing...
I think this is already happening in some of the subs I frequent. There are instances where posts should have been removed because of being unrelated or duplicate posts but the mods aren't doing anything.
Incredible. At this point you can't call reddit user generated or moderated content anymore. Apparently a subreddit has to follow whatever the company decides is the right content. That flies...
Incredible. At this point you can't call reddit user generated or moderated content anymore. Apparently a subreddit has to follow whatever the company decides is the right content. That flies directly into what reddit is supposed to be.
If /r/pics officially pivoted to NSFW a year ago you'd probably only get community outrage. Not the entire company forcing them to toe the line.
I would say they're in their death throes, but apparently their tyrannical approach is actually effective. The subs reverted their stance and nothing was gained through their protests.
I do still wonder if forcing reddit to actually go through with their threats, if they can cough up the required moderators for all of those subs.
he says on a completely different website, where at least a minor exodus has moved to. The results not being visible to you on the surface doesn't mean the protest didn't have an effect.
nothing was gained through the protests
he says on a completely different website, where at least a minor exodus has moved to.
The results not being visible to you on the surface doesn't mean the protest didn't have an effect.
I haven't touched Reddit since the API changes went into effect. It's difficult after being on there since 2007, but the quality had gone down the drain years ago anyway. It's just fighting an...
I haven't touched Reddit since the API changes went into effect. It's difficult after being on there since 2007, but the quality had gone down the drain years ago anyway. It's just fighting an addiction at this point, and I think it would honestly be for the best if it imploded completely. The web was better when niche forums were the norm instead of massive corporate things.
Same, heck even longer. I uninstalled Relay and deleted my account during the blackout and haven't gone back. Have me the excuse I was looking for to finally kick a bad habit. People seem to have...
Same, heck even longer. I uninstalled Relay and deleted my account during the blackout and haven't gone back. Have me the excuse I was looking for to finally kick a bad habit.
People seem to have thought the implosion would be instant like a famous sub when in reality Reddit's death will be slow and miserable.
If the protests had no impact, then reddit wouldn't be forcing moderators to reopen their subs and operate them normally. The results are visible on the surface IMO. This has clearly been a thorn...
If the protests had no impact, then reddit wouldn't be forcing moderators to reopen their subs and operate them normally. The results are visible on the surface IMO. This has clearly been a thorn in their side even if it didn't result in the immediate collapse of the site (which no reasonable person expected to happen anyway).
Oh yea, a lot of regular readers are pissed at the whole thing. But not so pissed they're willing to actually be part of the community and vote or comment. They want their dopamine-filled endless...
Oh yea, a lot of regular readers are pissed at the whole thing. But not so pissed they're willing to actually be part of the community and vote or comment. They want their dopamine-filled endless scroll again.
The death of Reddit all but assured now. Pissing off the creators means being left with the bots and viewers. You'll be able to shamble along like that for awhile, but its never gonna be quite the same.
Sure, and that's fair. I'm partially here because of the entire debacle. I think I need to clarify that from the outside the protest don't seem to impact it directly, the policy changes themselves...
Sure, and that's fair. I'm partially here because of the entire debacle. I think I need to clarify that from the outside the protest don't seem to impact it directly, the policy changes themselves caused the exodus, the protests just made it a crappier place.
Reddit is in full damage control mode with their draconic /u/ModCodeofConduct threatening mods, but it does seem like it's at least successful at "strikebreaking". It's mostly running on business as usual at the moment. Reduced quality or not.
I'm cognisant of the fact that the protests do seem to have an effect on their bottom line. Not serving ads to millions will cost them their money and credibility.
Reddit isn’t going to instantly die, it will just become useless like digg. This was happening slowly but it sped up a great deal recently. With the good mods gone, the decline will happen way...
Reddit isn’t going to instantly die, it will just become useless like digg. This was happening slowly but it sped up a great deal recently. With the good mods gone, the decline will happen way faster than anyone expected.
Everyone knows this, including the company itself. But it hopes it can cash out with an IPO before that. Looks like that’s going to go the same as digg too, with a valuation much lower than it would have been at its peak of a year or two ago.
In case anyone wants some more schadenfreude, reddit is apparently currently experiencing a bug preventing hide post or block user from functioning....
That's not possible. All a Reddit moderator can do is remove posts and comments, which is functionally different to deleting them. Removing a post is basically equivalent to hiding it: the post...
and scorch the sub and salt the earth by deleting everything.
That's not possible. All a Reddit moderator can do is remove posts and comments, which is functionally different to deleting them. Removing a post is basically equivalent to hiding it: the post still exists, it's just not visible within the subreddit it's been removed from. It's a trivial exercise for a moderator, or more to the point, an admin, to restore the removed post and make it visible again.
They might be able to delete things like formatting and AutoMod algorithms and subreddit rules, but the content itself is outside their abilities to delete.
The NSFW-related mess going on in regard to /r/NonCredibleDefense (link goes to subredditdrama post on the topic, NCD is definitely NSFW!) would be funny if it wasn't so sad to watch Reddit...
The NSFW-related mess going on in regard to /r/NonCredibleDefense (link goes to subredditdrama post on the topic, NCD is definitely NSFW!) would be funny if it wasn't so sad to watch Reddit tearing apart the very communities that made it in the first place.
r slash videos (sorry no links from me) have had some hilarious rules as a result of being made to remove their NSFW tag. First, they made it a rule that you must use profanity in the titles of...
r slash videos (sorry no links from me) have had some hilarious rules as a result of being made to remove their NSFW tag. First, they made it a rule that you must use profanity in the titles of posts after they weren't allowed to to NSFW (by a community vote IIRC). Now they're also requiring posts to only be text explaining the video that would have been linked also as an official forum rule backed by community vote.
Damn. That's genius. I do miss the playful wit of the positive side of the reddit community.
Now they're also requiring posts to only be text explaining the video that would have been linked also as an official forum rule backed by community vote.
Damn. That's genius. I do miss the playful wit of the positive side of the reddit community.
I've always liked submission statements. Most of the better video posts to Tildes have them. But yea that'll be a thorn for Reddit app users.
Now they're also requiring posts to only be text explaining the video that would have been linked also as an official forum rule backed by community vote.
I've always liked submission statements. Most of the better video posts to Tildes have them. But yea that'll be a thorn for Reddit app users.
Reddit probably used a shotgun approach and reached out to a bunch of subs to see what sticks. NCD definitely isn't and hasn't been SFW. And, complete sidenote, it was my favourite sub in the last...
Reddit probably used a shotgun approach and reached out to a bunch of subs to see what sticks. NCD definitely isn't and hasn't been SFW.
And, complete sidenote, it was my favourite sub in the last year. It's an absolutely insane area of reddit while remaining friendly and open with some thoughtful content between the (quality) shitposting.
What I really miss after the Reddit API fuckery are communities like NCD. They are very niche and there are few sites that have either the user numbers, or the functionality to support communities...
What I really miss after the Reddit API fuckery are communities like NCD. They are very niche and there are few sites that have either the user numbers, or the functionality to support communities like it. Tildes is nice and all, but the category system isn't granular enough to allow niche communities space to grow yet, so the front page is more similar to a better moderated r/all, which is nice, but it doesn't scratch the same itch that Reddit did for me.
That was such an advantage Reddit had. It was so big that even tiny subgroups of the population had enough people to support a community. I've subscribed to so many subreddits over the years that...
That was such an advantage Reddit had. It was so big that even tiny subgroups of the population had enough people to support a community.
I've subscribed to so many subreddits over the years that I just stumbled across, went, "Whoa. That exists?" and joined.
It's a bit difficult to explain, but the short of it is that it's a shitposting sub about war. The community is generally pro justified military violence and is mostly circlejerking about military...
It's a bit difficult to explain, but the short of it is that it's a shitposting sub about war. The community is generally pro justified military violence and is mostly circlejerking about military hardware or campaigns. With the Ukrainian war a lot of the memeing has been about the tactics, strategy, and politics (read: complete incompetence) of Russian forces.
Don't forget the copious amounts of anthropomorphic plane sexualization. The sub is strange, I wanted to start off my own reply saying "it's a bit difficult to explain" but saw your reply starting...
Don't forget the copious amounts of anthropomorphic plane sexualization.
The sub is strange, I wanted to start off my own reply saying "it's a bit difficult to explain" but saw your reply starting the exact same.
It's just as much about creating non credible defense tactics as it is dunking on actually stupid military tactics on display around the world. Lately mostly the Russian army on full blast.
It’s the answer to the question: what happens when people with hyperniche specializations come together from the mutual experience of finding the seriousposting of r/credibledefense cringey and...
It’s the answer to the question: what happens when people with hyperniche specializations come together from the mutual experience of finding the seriousposting of r/credibledefense cringey and wrong and decide: what if we turned the stupid up to 11? And PowerPoints about Rule 34 + A-10s.
I think this video summarizes the subreddit fairly well. Nsfw since there's a lot of people dying even if most of the deaths aren't very graphic at all...
I think this video summarizes the subreddit fairly well. Nsfw since there's a lot of people dying even if most of the deaths aren't very graphic at all
I'm not in the military, have never been in the military, and have no interest in joining the military but goddamn if NCD isn't one of my favourite shit posting subreddits. I've missed it since...
I'm not in the military, have never been in the military, and have no interest in joining the military but goddamn if NCD isn't one of my favourite shit posting subreddits.
I've missed it since being booted off RiF. I've still checked in a few times through my browser but it's not the same.
That and /r/UFOs, I'm a skeptic, I believe in the phenomenon but generally believe it to be either balloons, weather phenomenon, swamp gas reflecting off Venus, or black budget highly classified aircraft but I was like Fox Mulder every time I visited that subreddit, I WANT TO BELIEVE!
The "or else" and claims that moderators doing free labour for Reddit are a "landed gentry" (sorry what?) make zero sense because Reddit depends on that free labour and moderation (and...
The "or else" and claims that moderators doing free labour for Reddit are a "landed gentry" (sorry what?) make zero sense because Reddit depends on that free labour and moderation (and community-building more widely) is something which does require skill and effort.
I left the sub I created for good and don't visit reddit anymore, but it was always about 5% NSFW content since it started out. Not necessarily porn, but also gore and everything we considered...
I left the sub I created for good and don't visit reddit anymore, but it was always about 5% NSFW content since it started out. Not necessarily porn, but also gore and everything we considered 'not save for work'.
I actually wondered for some years how reddit will handle it in the future, since we technically would have had to turn the community to 18+ because the way it was, teenagers at 13 years old would get subjected to porn and other mature content only marked by an NSFW tag.
I guess they will pressure the mods into disallowing it completely, since they turned the sub back to under 18 when I made the change to 18+ as a whole couple weeks ago.
Nice closing paragraph by the author: “This is a worrying development, and something that hits close to home for Cyberpunk fans. Reddit’s actions are on par with the most dystopian of companies...
Nice closing paragraph by the author:
“This is a worrying development, and something that hits close to home for Cyberpunk fans. Reddit’s actions are on par with the most dystopian of companies seen in Night City.”
Advertisers should be in revolt over this. Reddit is forcing moderators to incorrectly remove NSFW labels so ads will be shown alongside content the advertisers don't want associated with them.
Advertisers should be in revolt over this. Reddit is forcing moderators to incorrectly remove NSFW labels so ads will be shown alongside content the advertisers don't want associated with them.
The /r/dndmemes mod responding to the ModCodeOfConduct account asking for an Intimidation Check is absolutely fantastic patter. The mods obviously decided he's had enough and is going out in style.
The /r/dndmemes mod responding to the ModCodeOfConduct account asking for an Intimidation Check is absolutely fantastic patter.
The mods obviously decided he's had enough and is going out in style.
This on purpose makes many subs taken over by Spez mods, my list of niche subs to follow is getting smaller. There are good NSFW communities moving over Lemmy.
This on purpose makes many subs taken over by Spez mods, my list of niche subs to follow is getting smaller. There are good NSFW communities moving over Lemmy.
Mods just need to start doing absolute bare minimum. Remove the explicitly flagged hate stuff, but otherwise just be really lazy.
Don't bother fixing stuff when it breaks, or updating the bots. Just let it fall apart and let the rot show for what it is.
I think the problem though is that many are moderators of communities they care about, with members they care about. Like the article said, they fear any changes to the moderation team would hurt the people who possibly rely on the subreddit for things like emotional support (i.e. r/military). I would think doing the bare minimum would hurt them more than Reddit.
Reddit is permanently and totally corrupted. It's foolish for moderators to imagine that their subreddit is some sort of oasis in that desert, and anything mods do to preserve their particular subreddit only helps bolster the monstrosity that Reddit has become. If a specific community is that important, the only ethical course of action is to move it elsewhere.
I don’t disagree that Reddit has become a monstrosity, but moving a community isn’t that easy, as we’re seeing with the splits between so many early alternatives and not knowing what’s going to survive longer term.
I’m also not saying that the moderators see their community as an oasis in the desert. But when you care about individuals in the community, there’s a sense of obligation to not let them down.
You're right, it's not easy, but that doesn't change the calculus. If anything, it just makes the need for a unified exodus more urgent.
The operative word being "unified" which is next to impossible to achieve. If you get all mods to agree you will have a hard time reaching all your users. This in itself presents the biggest roadblock, ideally you'd close up shop and redirect users to the new platform. Reddit will most certainly not allow this, their approach to protesting subreddits that were not even aiming to migrate made that abundantly clear.
So this means that, at the very least, you are looking at splitting your community over platforms. This is far from a unified approach.
This isn't even touching on the lack of viable long term platforms out there. Tildes is something completely different and not a valid migration path. Lemmy is very immature, instance owners are confronted with new bugs every day, not to mention the costs of hosting an instance.
Yes, in principle I agree with your sentiment, in practice it simply isn't a realistic way of approaching the situation.
Yeah mods want to care for their community but unless they can organize an exodus it's just better to abandon the site. It's only fair after the site has abandoned its users in the name of a sell-out IPO.
Honestly I could see Deimos going full non-profit and offer an easy mode installer/updater for Tildes, so any community that wanted could host their own TildInstance on AWS.
I think the only reasonable way that major service subreddits can be safe is to move the subreddit to an easily accessible self hosted system.
The cherry on top would be if TalkLittle added a feature to his app that allowed adding additional Tildes instances to it.
I know it would be a lot of work, but I feel like that 10% of non-lurkers might actually throw some money at a Wikipedia style fund drive for something like this.
It's probably against the Reddit rules for a subreddit to ask users to migrate to a different site/community.
If it isn't now, it probably will be soon.
Ultimately the answer is going to be moving the community elsewhere. Permanently pinned thread at top directing them to the new one.
I get the why though. I'm thinking more like the /r/pics community fundementally.
Is there a community in /r/pics? Seems to me like most of the larger subs like that are just catch-alls that don't have dedicated communities and just catch comments from all of reddit.
I mean technically it is. It's one of the main reasons casuals (aka the moneymakers) visit reddit.
Well, if they do have a community, they can move them to a picture heavy forum that has sub communities like Squabbles.
I think Reddit mods should create new communities in the Fediverse, and then promote those new communities in their subreddits. Hopefully they will be able to bring all of their active contributors there (wherever "there" is). I don't see Reddit going back.to the way it was - they don't even have the mod tools they need to do their job.
That has had... Limited success so far. For example, I used to be a regular participant on the MMA subreddit. One of the mods opened an instance on Kbin, but since the subreddit reopened, activity on Kbin has basically died. People are creatures of habit.
As it is I used that subreddit as my combat sports haven, and now I'm kinda floating in the breeze since I dropped off the face of Reddit earth
I created and moderate a small, very niche subreddit and desperately want to move it but support from the users has been limited. They just don't really seem interested. At this point that's the only thing I log on Reddit to look at and I don't have to do any active moderation anyways because our users are all very well behaved. I want to open a community on the fediverse but I'll get maybe 6 of our reddit users to join and the rest will keep using what they're using. They're very creative and fun so I can't bring myself to just stop looking at it.
Can you create a community on the Fediverse and also keep visiting the subreddit? That way maybe you can organically grow the Fedi group so that over time, you can leave the sub?
That didn't work either. Many subs went into "Bare minimum" mode by only enforcing the reddit-wide rules and they were also forcibly removed.
Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Force their hand via malicious compliance.
Quality Mods are a scarce resource. Part of the reason I think Tildes has the vibe it does is because of an abnormally high Mod population. Reddit is gonna have to bite the bullet and onboard some mod staff as the good-faith volunteers burn out and drift away.
And a passionate volunteer with concern for the community will do a lot better than someone punching in their 9-5. But at least then Reddit can be responsible for covering the 95% of reddit.
I doubt that'll happen. I think they'll bandaid it for now, push to IPO, cash out, sell, and let the next person inherit the issues that no investment group would be able to find without being a longtime user and seeing the downfall.
This is what I see happening too. They're just trying to claw their way to IPO and let the chips fall after that.
It would be interesting if a journalist tracked how many subs now have new mods, and how many are volunteers.
Tildes doesn't do images and that cuts down most of the absent minded scrolling/joking. The admin does all of the moderation for the site as it doesn't have mod tools. He has to manually update the database when he moderates.
Oh I know. When I say Mod population, I mean "People whom have moderated other large online spaces," not actual mods. I've seen numbers along the lines of the usual population of a site is something like 1000/100/1 for Readers/Posters/Mods. And Tildes is almost definitely more like 1000/100/5. Before the most recent influx, I'd daresay it was more like 1000/100/20.
Courtesy of the nature of its birth, there's just an abnormally high percentage of people who have helped manage communities. I think thats part of why Demios has been able to get away with single-mod for so long.
I'm just one data point but I was among the "power mods" back in the day, and came here.
Are you referring to The 90-9-1 Rule for Participation Inequality in Social Media and Online Communities? That's about how many people are active, not how many people are moderators.
But, on your larger point: you seem to be correct that Tildes has a lot of experienced moderators floating around.
Your memory is better than mine, but I saw a discussion somewhere that extended that 1 down an extra slice for 'heavy users whom make good mods".
So fully baked, thats on the order of 1 potential mod per 999.
Oh, I have that page saved as a bookmark! It's a very handy reference.
Okay. I've never seen anything like that.
Oh, that's not true in general. There are some specific, rare things that I need to do that take manual database updates, but there are built-in tools for all of the common tasks. No other users currently have access to these tools, but it would be possible to give them to anyone.
Oh good to hear. I thought you had stuck with an elaborate set of scripts but it's good to hear you've been able to code some of it. I know I've gotten stuck in the "get something that works" model for too long on projects.
It'd be hilarious to me if subreddits changed their rules to ban every post that's not on the Digg front page.
It doesn't need to be publicly stated, but that they're looking for "top quality content that only careful curation can achieve"
I think this is already happening in some of the subs I frequent. There are instances where posts should have been removed because of being unrelated or duplicate posts but the mods aren't doing anything.
Incredible. At this point you can't call reddit user generated or moderated content anymore. Apparently a subreddit has to follow whatever the company decides is the right content. That flies directly into what reddit is supposed to be.
If /r/pics officially pivoted to NSFW a year ago you'd probably only get community outrage. Not the entire company forcing them to toe the line.
I would say they're in their death throes, but apparently their tyrannical approach is actually effective. The subs reverted their stance and nothing was gained through their protests.
I do still wonder if forcing reddit to actually go through with their threats, if they can cough up the required moderators for all of those subs.
he says on a completely different website, where at least a minor exodus has moved to.
The results not being visible to you on the surface doesn't mean the protest didn't have an effect.
I haven't touched Reddit since the API changes went into effect. It's difficult after being on there since 2007, but the quality had gone down the drain years ago anyway. It's just fighting an addiction at this point, and I think it would honestly be for the best if it imploded completely. The web was better when niche forums were the norm instead of massive corporate things.
Same, heck even longer. I uninstalled Relay and deleted my account during the blackout and haven't gone back. Have me the excuse I was looking for to finally kick a bad habit.
People seem to have thought the implosion would be instant like a famous sub when in reality Reddit's death will be slow and miserable.
If the protests had no impact, then reddit wouldn't be forcing moderators to reopen their subs and operate them normally. The results are visible on the surface IMO. This has clearly been a thorn in their side even if it didn't result in the immediate collapse of the site (which no reasonable person expected to happen anyway).
Oh yea, a lot of regular readers are pissed at the whole thing. But not so pissed they're willing to actually be part of the community and vote or comment. They want their dopamine-filled endless scroll again.
The death of Reddit all but assured now. Pissing off the creators means being left with the bots and viewers. You'll be able to shamble along like that for awhile, but its never gonna be quite the same.
Sure, and that's fair. I'm partially here because of the entire debacle. I think I need to clarify that from the outside the protest don't seem to impact it directly, the policy changes themselves caused the exodus, the protests just made it a crappier place.
Reddit is in full damage control mode with their draconic /u/ModCodeofConduct threatening mods, but it does seem like it's at least successful at "strikebreaking". It's mostly running on business as usual at the moment. Reduced quality or not.
I'm cognisant of the fact that the protests do seem to have an effect on their bottom line. Not serving ads to millions will cost them their money and credibility.
Reddit isn’t going to instantly die, it will just become useless like digg. This was happening slowly but it sped up a great deal recently. With the good mods gone, the decline will happen way faster than anyone expected.
Everyone knows this, including the company itself. But it hopes it can cash out with an IPO before that. Looks like that’s going to go the same as digg too, with a valuation much lower than it would have been at its peak of a year or two ago.
In case anyone wants some more schadenfreude, reddit is apparently currently experiencing a bug preventing hide post or block user from functioning. https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/14shgp1/has_the_hideunhide_feature_stopped_working_for/
They would certainly get even worse mods who are just power hungry regular users without the ambition to even achieve reddit mod on their own.
I think some of that is in progress. It'll take time to find a new place and then figure out how to communicate that without the admins deleting it.
That's not possible. All a Reddit moderator can do is remove posts and comments, which is functionally different to deleting them. Removing a post is basically equivalent to hiding it: the post still exists, it's just not visible within the subreddit it's been removed from. It's a trivial exercise for a moderator, or more to the point, an admin, to restore the removed post and make it visible again.
They might be able to delete things like formatting and AutoMod algorithms and subreddit rules, but the content itself is outside their abilities to delete.
The NSFW-related mess going on in regard to /r/NonCredibleDefense (link goes to subredditdrama post on the topic, NCD is definitely NSFW!) would be funny if it wasn't so sad to watch Reddit tearing apart the very communities that made it in the first place.
r slash videos (sorry no links from me) have had some hilarious rules as a result of being made to remove their NSFW tag. First, they made it a rule that you must use profanity in the titles of posts after they weren't allowed to to NSFW (by a community vote IIRC). Now they're also requiring posts to only be text explaining the video that would have been linked also as an official forum rule backed by community vote.
Damn. That's genius. I do miss the playful wit of the positive side of the reddit community.
I've always liked submission statements. Most of the better video posts to Tildes have them. But yea that'll be a thorn for Reddit app users.
Reddit probably used a shotgun approach and reached out to a bunch of subs to see what sticks. NCD definitely isn't and hasn't been SFW.
And, complete sidenote, it was my favourite sub in the last year. It's an absolutely insane area of reddit while remaining friendly and open with some thoughtful content between the (quality) shitposting.
What I really miss after the Reddit API fuckery are communities like NCD. They are very niche and there are few sites that have either the user numbers, or the functionality to support communities like it. Tildes is nice and all, but the category system isn't granular enough to allow niche communities space to grow yet, so the front page is more similar to a better moderated r/all, which is nice, but it doesn't scratch the same itch that Reddit did for me.
That was such an advantage Reddit had. It was so big that even tiny subgroups of the population had enough people to support a community.
I've subscribed to so many subreddits over the years that I just stumbled across, went, "Whoa. That exists?" and joined.
What is that sub about? I just subscribed to a Lemmy instance version out of curiosity.
It's a bit difficult to explain, but the short of it is that it's a shitposting sub about war. The community is generally pro justified military violence and is mostly circlejerking about military hardware or campaigns. With the Ukrainian war a lot of the memeing has been about the tactics, strategy, and politics (read: complete incompetence) of Russian forces.
Don't forget the copious amounts of anthropomorphic plane sexualization.
The sub is strange, I wanted to start off my own reply saying "it's a bit difficult to explain" but saw your reply starting the exact same.
It's just as much about creating non credible defense tactics as it is dunking on actually stupid military tactics on display around the world. Lately mostly the Russian army on full blast.
It’s also recently been decidedly credible - or perhaps war is just crazy?
It’s the answer to the question: what happens when people with hyperniche specializations come together from the mutual experience of finding the seriousposting of r/credibledefense cringey and wrong and decide: what if we turned the stupid up to 11? And PowerPoints about Rule 34 + A-10s.
I think this video summarizes the subreddit fairly well. Nsfw since there's a lot of people dying even if most of the deaths aren't very graphic at all
https://old.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/vdk2wo/as_requested_by_many_here_is_my_double_lenght/
Its a military equipment/strategy/tactics/etc meme thing.
I'm not in the military, have never been in the military, and have no interest in joining the military but goddamn if NCD isn't one of my favourite shit posting subreddits.
I've missed it since being booted off RiF. I've still checked in a few times through my browser but it's not the same.
That and /r/UFOs, I'm a skeptic, I believe in the phenomenon but generally believe it to be either balloons, weather phenomenon, swamp gas reflecting off Venus, or black budget highly classified aircraft but I was like Fox Mulder every time I visited that subreddit, I WANT TO BELIEVE!
The "or else" and claims that moderators doing free labour for Reddit are a "landed gentry" (sorry what?) make zero sense because Reddit depends on that free labour and moderation (and community-building more widely) is something which does require skill and effort.
I left the sub I created for good and don't visit reddit anymore, but it was always about 5% NSFW content since it started out. Not necessarily porn, but also gore and everything we considered 'not save for work'.
I actually wondered for some years how reddit will handle it in the future, since we technically would have had to turn the community to 18+ because the way it was, teenagers at 13 years old would get subjected to porn and other mature content only marked by an NSFW tag.
I guess they will pressure the mods into disallowing it completely, since they turned the sub back to under 18 when I made the change to 18+ as a whole couple weeks ago.
Nice closing paragraph by the author:
“This is a worrying development, and something that hits close to home for Cyberpunk fans. Reddit’s actions are on par with the most dystopian of companies seen in Night City.”
Ouch.
Enshittification (this auto-completed!) will continue until morale improves.
Advertisers should be in revolt over this. Reddit is forcing moderators to incorrectly remove NSFW labels so ads will be shown alongside content the advertisers don't want associated with them.
The /r/dndmemes mod responding to the ModCodeOfConduct account asking for an Intimidation Check is absolutely fantastic patter.
The mods obviously decided he's had enough and is going out in style.
This on purpose makes many subs taken over by Spez mods, my list of niche subs to follow is getting smaller. There are good NSFW communities moving over Lemmy.
lemmy makes perfect sense for nsfw communities, but I doubt the content creators (thirst traps, e-thots, what-have-you) will move to those platforms.