I'm not quite sure who a ps5 pro is for. Feels like anyone who wants a PS5 for... basically upscaled PS4 games tbh should just buy an old PS5, not even like there's that many games out there right...
I'm not quite sure who a ps5 pro is for. Feels like anyone who wants a PS5 for... basically upscaled PS4 games tbh should just buy an old PS5, not even like there's that many games out there right now lol.
People who want to have their cake and eat it too w.r.g to performance and FPS. Pretty much every major title now is performance vs quality, and you only get 30 fps on quality. The gap is visuals...
People who want to have their cake and eat it too w.r.g to performance and FPS. Pretty much every major title now is performance vs quality, and you only get 30 fps on quality. The gap is visuals is usually noticeable.
basically upscaled PS4 games tbh should just buy an old PS5, not even like there's that many games out there right now lol.
People keep saying this but that's not the angle where it's correct. There's not a lot of PS5 exclusives, because most titles come out on PC/Xbox as well, but very few if any games still come out on PS4. The last one I can think of is Hogwarts, and that took a year of chopping off shit until it could barely run on the PS4.
Wukong ran pretty damn badly on the PS5. I'd imagine that would be rectified on the Pro.
I believe they're referring to games with a "Visual" mode and a "Performance" mode, with performance mode targeting 60fps and visual targeting higher resolutions and fancy effects.
I believe they're referring to games with a "Visual" mode and a "Performance" mode, with performance mode targeting 60fps and visual targeting higher resolutions and fancy effects.
It's for the small percentage of people who want the latest and are willing to buy it. This seems like Sony wants to make a bit of cash between consoles. The announcement is more technical and...
It's for the small percentage of people who want the latest and are willing to buy it. This seems like Sony wants to make a bit of cash between consoles. The announcement is more technical and less flashy. So I don't think they're trying to get everyone to upgrade.
It's 4 years old. AAA games will be far between in console generations from now on unless they find a way to cut down development time some. 4+years for a game.
It's 4 years old. AAA games will be far between in console generations from now on unless they find a way to cut down development time some. 4+years for a game.
Even the Japanese price of ¥119,980 JPY is like a little under $850, when converted to USD. So, what is Sony smoking when coming up with these prices, especially for their domestic market price.
Even the Japanese price of ¥119,980 JPY is like a little under $850, when converted to USD. So, what is Sony smoking when coming up with these prices, especially for their domestic market price.
Consoles have traditionally been more popular than PCs in Japan by a large margin, with many people not owning a PC of any kind or at most a non-gaming laptop (though this has been changing a bit...
Consoles have traditionally been more popular than PCs in Japan by a large margin, with many people not owning a PC of any kind or at most a non-gaming laptop (though this has been changing a bit in recent years), so they probably feel more secure in that market than in the US.
Nah, the Japanese gaming market is just Nintendo + iPhones at this point. The PS5 sales in Japan are atrocious, relatively speaking. It's more that Sony just gave up on the market, since it...
Nah, the Japanese gaming market is just Nintendo + iPhones at this point. The PS5 sales in Japan are atrocious, relatively speaking. It's more that Sony just gave up on the market, since it doesn't seem like a traditional home console will sell very well anytime soon.
Prices outside the US have VAT (or the equivalent) included. Sony also doesn’t really care about the Japanese market. They just don’t buy a lot of consoles.
Prices outside the US have VAT (or the equivalent) included.
Sony also doesn’t really care about the Japanese market. They just don’t buy a lot of consoles.
Mandatory extended warranty coverage, economies of scale, anticipated currency exchange rates, higher wages for staff in the country, tariffs, etc. all vary wildly per country. Can't speak to the...
Mandatory extended warranty coverage, economies of scale, anticipated currency exchange rates, higher wages for staff in the country, tariffs, etc. all vary wildly per country. Can't speak to the UK though because I'm not sure if that extended manufacturer warranty still applies post-Brexit.
My point is that if $700 is considered a steep price in the US, where incidentally median household income is a good 60% higher and income taxes are significantly lower when compared with the UK,...
My point is that if $700 is considered a steep price in the US, where incidentally median household income is a good 60% higher and income taxes are significantly lower when compared with the UK, then imagine how steep it feels elsewhere.
Remember it's also the only one without some kind of VAT added onto it. And depending on the state, it be still true, since some states have 0% sales tax. But either way, VAT is going to bump up...
Remember it's also the only one without some kind of VAT added onto it. And depending on the state, it be still true, since some states have 0% sales tax. But either way, VAT is going to bump up the prices in regions with one.
I know no one asked, but it's also $959.99 Canadian. That's more than my bi-weekly mortgage payment... That number breaks my mind for a console. I was going back and forth if the pro would be when...
I know no one asked, but it's also $959.99 Canadian. That's more than my bi-weekly mortgage payment... That number breaks my mind for a console. I was going back and forth if the pro would be when I jump in on this console generation or stick with PC gaming. Sony just made that decision really easy for me.
Completely agree. I'd probably has passed on it based on the price alone, but not including the drive or stand is a slap in the face. You don't launch your new premium product that requires...
Completely agree. I'd probably has passed on it based on the price alone, but not including the drive or stand is a slap in the face. You don't launch your new premium product that requires add-ons to be functional for many (most?) players.
So... This is $700 for a digital version, and the external disc drive thing is $80. This is a $300 price hike for digital and $280 for physical. Who's going to pay that kind of money? You can buy...
So... This is $700 for a digital version, and the external disc drive thing is $80. This is a $300 price hike for digital and $280 for physical. Who's going to pay that kind of money? You can buy a PS5 and a Switch, a Quest, or a Series S for that price. Also, really stingy of them not to include the stand for using it vertically.
Cerny is the goat, but I feel like this is a gamble for Sony that the following assumptions are true: Living room gaming is still a price competitive option at a higher price point 4k/120Hz/HDR...
Cerny is the goat, but I feel like this is a gamble for Sony that the following assumptions are true:
Living room gaming is still a price competitive option at a higher price point
4k/120Hz/HDR TVs are cheap enough to be ubiquitous and no other experience is leveraging all those capabilities simultaneously,
No one lese is even close to catching up with Sony in terms of content, capacity or, capability.
Microsoft has effectively abdicated their position, Valve is playing the long game and, Nintendo is down market so far they're barely fighting for the same market share. Cloud gaming came and went.
Sony is the highest quality gaming experience in the living room by miles. Anything approaching their level of performance in the PC space has tons of compatibility baggage to navigate to operate effectively in the living room format.
I think this is just flat out recognition that Playstation is the premium platform for games. Price it appropriately and hope the market rewards their attempt to continue investing in and expanding the top end of the market.
I'll pick up the disk version at launch with the vertical stand. $$$, but I'd rather be thrilled with the time I'm not working.
Are they actually ahead of XBOX when it comes to performance or image quality? I was guessing as long as one plays multiplats, series X and PS5 were the same essentially.
Sony is the highest quality gaming experience in the living room by miles.
Are they actually ahead of XBOX when it comes to performance or image quality? I was guessing as long as one plays multiplats, series X and PS5 were the same essentially.
PS5 and Series X were mostly neck and neck with one eking out a bit of an advantage over the other here and there from a technical perspective, but since the preceding generation (PS4/Xbone)...
PS5 and Series X were mostly neck and neck with one eking out a bit of an advantage over the other here and there from a technical perspective, but since the preceding generation (PS4/Xbone) PlayStation has had a leg up in the variety of games available. Xbox’s library is composed mostly of western FPS games and esports titles with few single-player games of any type while PlayStation has had a bit of everything.
The other thing that Xbox has going against it is that for the past couple of generations there's been little that runs on the Xbox that doesn't run on PC too, meaning that there's not much reason to buy an Xbox over a PC and if the conveniences/perks of a console are valuable, a PS5 is probably a better option. PS5 is also weak on exclusives, but at least it still has that variety and can also run a huge number of cheap used PS4 games.
So in these ways, PS5 is the better of the two in terms of quality of experience.
Prefacing this with I don't play on consoles. That would suck if it were true. Are you only talking about exclusives? Cause I think most high budget games try to come out in as many platforms as...
Xbox’s library is composed mostly of western FPS games
Prefacing this with I don't play on consoles. That would suck if it were true. Are you only talking about exclusives? Cause I think most high budget games try to come out in as many platforms as they deem worth their while.
Not just exclusives. Competitive multiplayer has by far been the dominant type of game on Xbox ever since the era of the 360 drew to a close. Both PlayStation and Switch have much better variety....
Not just exclusives. Competitive multiplayer has by far been the dominant type of game on Xbox ever since the era of the 360 drew to a close. Both PlayStation and Switch have much better variety.
Triple-A games have been making more efforts to come to Xbox in the past year or two but there were plenty that were PS4/PS5 only if they came to any console while others skipped Xbox but came to PC.
Though Halo was originally going to be a Mac game, with Bungie having been a Mac game studio prior to Microsoft's purchase. The 360 particularly though had a very good selection of games,...
Though Halo was originally going to be a Mac game, with Bungie having been a Mac game studio prior to Microsoft's purchase.
The 360 particularly though had a very good selection of games, multiplayer or otherwise, early on though the PS3 caught up by the end of that generation's cycle. I think the PS3 might've also got new titles released for it longer than the 360 did.
I read the same previously-linked-on-Tildes article as well, heh. But it doesn't really change history, because Halo came out on Xbox and basically changed everything. It wasn't the first of its...
Though Halo was originally going to be a Mac game, with Bungie having been a Mac game studio prior to Microsoft's purchase.
I read the same previously-linked-on-Tildes article as well, heh. But it doesn't really change history, because Halo came out on Xbox and basically changed everything. It wasn't the first of its kind*, but it was the most successful immediate smash hit for multi-player competition that also didn't require organizing a whole LAN party to enjoy. And once we all figured out how to set up net tunnels, we were playing worldwide (Although I admit the unpopular opinion of enjoying Brute Force online far more than the original Halo). Given the built in ethernet jacks in both the Xbox and the 360, I'd way MS was primed to do this from the get-go.
As someone who's owned every main series PS and Xbox console from launch (yeah yeah I know, it's my hobby though), the 360 era was the point when most of the big draw Xbox games were also on PC. Multiplayer was where it shined from basically launch and onward. Only reason me and my circles ever touched it was for online MP, as finding folks to play with in the PC versions was a big chore, while with the 360 it was all right there, ready to go.
*Can't ignore the pure joy that was multi-player Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. Mmmmmm
Disclaimer: I own a Series X and it's my first Xbox after years with Playstation. PS5 usually performs marginally better than Series X. The fact that games usually run at same settings on both...
Disclaimer: I own a Series X and it's my first Xbox after years with Playstation.
PS5 usually performs marginally better than Series X. The fact that games usually run at same settings on both platforms suggests that devs are not optimizing for Xbox Series X because they sold so poorly. On paper Series X is a faster machine but in the end it doesn't matter to the end consumer.
One thing that Xbox beats PS5 outright is VRR. Xbox Series does 40-120hz for all games while PS5 lower bound is 48hz and has to be implemented by game developer. It's not a silver bullet for game performance but it certainly helps with many games these days.
Microsoft has been historically quite good at backwards compatibility and that extends to Xbox as well. Plenty of older games are not only playable but with significant improvements like better resolution or 60fps on previously 30fps games).
That last point is why I upgraded from PS4 Pro to Series X last year. With the recent output of games industry you have to see writing on the wall. I'm no longer pursuing the latest in gaming but enjoy older stuff that I missed. It's still fun to run some of the latest stuff too obviously since there are some good games being made still but most of those are on Xbox too anyway.
I think from a pure fps/detail perspective you're correct, but experience isn't just data. I've got both a PS5 and a Series X, but every single time I'm buying the multiplat for PS5. The volume of...
I think from a pure fps/detail perspective you're correct, but experience isn't just data.
I've got both a PS5 and a Series X, but every single time I'm buying the multiplat for PS5. The volume of exclusives I'm invested in has made it the default for me. While PS+ isn't as good as GamePass, the convenience of using a single console makes just dropping into a new title a breeze.
The volume of exclusives on Playstation helped me appreciate the straightforward UI. There are ads, but they feel unobtrusive. Xbox feels a bit more advertising focused, promoting Live or Gamepass...
The volume of exclusives on Playstation helped me appreciate the straightforward UI. There are ads, but they feel unobtrusive. Xbox feels a bit more advertising focused, promoting Live or Gamepass at every opportunity.
TBH, I feel like upmarket experiences should advertise less. It's part of what I'm a paying premium for. While throwing ads out there maximizes platform revenue, it risks some brand positioning in the process.
DualSense feels like a better controller, but I don't mind the Series X controller. The haptics aren't really differentiating it meaningfully IMO.
I can’t speak for @NoobFace but personally I think the DualSense is amazing — for games that properly use it. Most don’t, of course, but when you find a game that does, it’s great.
I can’t speak for @NoobFace but personally I think the DualSense is amazing — for games that properly use it. Most don’t, of course, but when you find a game that does, it’s great.
Tangent here, but why not. I've got a Dualsense Edge, and as someone who is kind of low-key obsessed with finding and collecting the most "perfect" controllers I can get my hands on, I have to say...
Tangent here, but why not. I've got a Dualsense Edge, and as someone who is kind of low-key obsessed with finding and collecting the most "perfect" controllers I can get my hands on, I have to say it's the best gaming controller I've ever used for either the PS or the PC. Especially the PC. It kind of blows my mind how much easier it is to get an Edge working on a PC and with Steam than it is with Microsoft's own supposed "premium grade" Elite Series 2. With the gyro, the extra paddles and buttons, the trackpad, and the slowly but surely adopted adaptive triggers - EDIT and how could I forget on-board profiles and swappable sticks! - I have yet to find anything to rival the DS Edge's comfort and versatility.
Only flaws for me with this one are two. First, it's battery life is atrocious. But no biggie for me as I'm a weirdo who prefers to play with wired connection. Second, I'm also one of those weirdos who loved the OG "Duke" controller on the original Xbox, thanks to my mega huge man hands. Sadly the Edge doesn't come close to that behemoth's size and comfort for me, but I also accept that nothing else does, and likely nothing ever will, either. I know the Duke got something of a revival recently, but it was just... not good. Sigh.
Man, there really is no reason to buy this thing. I don't see why someone who isn't in the Sony ecosystem should get this over the base PS5, and I don't see why a performance enthusiast should get...
Man, there really is no reason to buy this thing. I don't see why someone who isn't in the Sony ecosystem should get this over the base PS5, and I don't see why a performance enthusiast should get this instead of just getting a PC.
True, but with PC gaming, you're also getting access to Free multiplayer, as well as a machine that can do everything a PS5 can do and then some. I also have access to a games library that spans...
True, but with PC gaming, you're also getting access to Free multiplayer, as well as a machine that can do everything a PS5 can do and then some.
I also have access to a games library that spans 40 years and yeah, it may take some work to run the oldest stuff, but it's doable. Not to mention, my Steam account alone is 20 years old and I still can play everything I bought back in 2004 with the click of a button, even though I'm many PCs away from what I started on Steam with.
This is all not to mention that you could get into PC gaming for cheaper than even $700. I can go on Craigslist right now, buy a used Dell with a 9th Gen i5 and 16Gb of RAM for $300. I could easily leave it at that and play any modern indie (which I'm sure you'll also find on the PS Store) and older AAA or I could go to microcenter and get an XFX Radeon 7600 and a new PSU for $259 + $70 respectively and still come in well under $700, while having a very respectable gaming machine that could handily play Cyberpunk at 1080p, Ultra 60+fps.
I don't have a horse in this race, but you can do PC gaming cheaply; I've done it, still do*. Even if you don't and you spend more, your PC will likely last you longer and give you access to a substantially larger library of games.
You're not exactly wrong, but i'm sorta considering like for like. Yes the PC has infinitely more titles, and yes Sony has exclusives that they try to keep only on their system (although a little...
You're not exactly wrong, but i'm sorta considering like for like.
Yes the PC has infinitely more titles, and yes Sony has exclusives that they try to keep only on their system (although a little better about it, for years at a time still).
Still, I feel like the kind of person who's the target market for a PS5 Pro, is not going to want to be on the lower end of PC gaming. I'm guessing they're wanting 60fps performance with new AAA titles, and the PS5 Pro should deliver that.
Assuming a like for like game that fits that bill and is on both systems, I think you can easily wind up spending quite a bit more.
The build I've written out is easily capable of 1080p 60+ fps on Ultra in GoW Ragnarok.. Note that a Ryzen 5600 is only marginally faster than my listed CPU. I 100% grant that someone might want a...
Note that a Ryzen 5600 is only marginally faster than my listed CPU.
I 100% grant that someone might want a PS5 Pro for sheer ease of use, I absolutely get that, but to claim you can't do 1080p ultra, 60fps+ AAA gaming on a PC for less than $700 is misinformation at best.
Not trying to be accusatory here, but I just want to point out that many have misguided ideas about what hardware is necessary.
1080p is an important caveat here. PS5 is generally 4k30 in “quality” mode and 1440p 30 fps in performance mode. Presumably PS5 Pro is going to be getting near 4k60.
1080p is an important caveat here. PS5 is generally 4k30 in “quality” mode and 1440p 30 fps in performance mode. Presumably PS5 Pro is going to be getting near 4k60.
Now that's legitimate argument. That said, I don't believe my listed build would struggle to do 30fps 4k medium/high. The few resources I've looked at suggests it could do 60fps 4k low, so I'd be...
Now that's legitimate argument.
That said, I don't believe my listed build would struggle to do 30fps 4k medium/high. The few resources I've looked at suggests it could do 60fps 4k low, so I'd be surprised if it had issues 30fps 4k medium/high.
Not sure which build you're referencing, but since the first seems to be a laptop, i'm assuming it's the second. Did my best to recreate on PC Part Picker and i'm at the $700 budget with just the...
Not sure which build you're referencing, but since the first seems to be a laptop, i'm assuming it's the second.
Did my best to recreate on PC Part Picker and i'm at the $700 budget with just the CPU, Memory, Storage, and card.
That does not include a PSU, Motherboard, Case, OS, or CPU cooler (which arguably might not be needed).
Sticking with dirt cheap options from the remaining and not checking compatibility/sanity, and assuming linux instead of windows (which for a gaming build I very much doubt, so another $50-200 depending):
Am I missing something here? I think you're taking some pretty heavy sacrifices on the quality of your other parts to be anywhere near the budget but still use the parts you recommended?
I'm not talking about building a new PC from scratch and my initial post is referencing a used Dell desktop from Craigslist for $300 and then adding parts to that. It's less of a task for a novice...
I'm not talking about building a new PC from scratch and my initial post is referencing a used Dell desktop from Craigslist for $300 and then adding parts to that.
It's less of a task for a novice to add a GPU or change a PSU and it comes with a Windows license for no extra cost.
Worth noting that used prebuilts come with notable caveats compared to custom builds and consoles, mainly that a lot of prebuilts have absolutely awful cooling. Dell/Alienware is particularly...
Worth noting that used prebuilts come with notable caveats compared to custom builds and consoles, mainly that a lot of prebuilts have absolutely awful cooling.
Dell/Alienware is particularly egregious here, using tiny coolers and cases with very little airflow, plus it’s all proprietary which means you can’t do a case transplant or even put on a more capable CPU cooler.
GamersNexus found that some Dell/Alienware machines were so bad in this regard that they throttled themselves down a couple of CPU tiers to not cook themselves.
This is true, so you'd maybe want to do legwork repasting the cooler. That said, I gamed for many, many years on a Thinkserver TS140 with a Xeon processor and a 750Ti, later upgraded to a 970 GTX...
This is true, so you'd maybe want to do legwork repasting the cooler. That said, I gamed for many, many years on a Thinkserver TS140 with a Xeon processor and a 750Ti, later upgraded to a 970 GTX and didn't experience any issues with throttling.
My whole goal in this thread is to point out that PC gaming isn't that expensive in comparison to something like this PS5 Pro and you're getting so much more utility and library, as well as potentially even more performance for less money.
I'm more than willing to accept that some folks just want something they can plug into their TV and go, that is completely valid. I just want to also point out for those that are willing to do some of the work PC gaming requires and are deliberating between a PS5 Pro and a PC, it can be done very cheaply without building your own machine other than changing a couple of parts.
To me, there's this zeitgeist in hobbying these days--whether that's Computers, Jeeps, Photography, Wargaming, etc--that you need the most expensive, fanciest thing for the hobby to even be worth it when that is absolutely far from the truth.
I do see some of this, but even if the messaging gets muddled I think the real point is to manage expectations. In the case of lower spec gaming systems, yes they're serviceable, but don't expect...
To me, there's this zeitgeist in hobbying these days--whether that's Computers, Jeeps, Photography, Wargaming, etc--that you need the most expensive, fanciest thing for the hobby to even be worth it when that is absolutely far from the truth.
I do see some of this, but even if the messaging gets muddled I think the real point is to manage expectations. In the case of lower spec gaming systems, yes they're serviceable, but don't expect miracles — higher powered systems can and will mop the floor with them. Just make sure that you'll be happy with the compromises involved.
Living room gaming is still effectively the realm of integrated devices. While SteamOS/Bazzite/ChimeraOS are seeing a surge of interest with the success of the SteamDeck and other adjacent...
Living room gaming is still effectively the realm of integrated devices. While SteamOS/Bazzite/ChimeraOS are seeing a surge of interest with the success of the SteamDeck and other adjacent hardware platforms, they're still incredibly complicated for a plug-n-play consumer or provide a sub-standard experience relative to their cost.
I'm saying all this after having spent most of a weekend getting Fallout London working in Proton.
The PlayStation 5 hardly has any exclusives compared to previous generations, and now Sony have the cheek to charge £700 for an AI-enhanced 1.5 times performance improvement, minus the vertical...
The PlayStation 5 hardly has any exclusives compared to previous generations, and now Sony have the cheek to charge £700 for an AI-enhanced 1.5 times performance improvement, minus the vertical stand or even the Blu-ray drive.
Additional info for the price and release date on Twitter https://x.com/IGN/status/1833523464847884345 Additional notes, doesn't seem like there's a Disc Drive included, nor is the Vertical Mount...
Having an optional disc drive makes the continued absence of Dolby Vision a head scratcher. If the disc drive is separate, why not put the entire licensing cost for Vision on that piece? People...
Having an optional disc drive makes the continued absence of Dolby Vision a head scratcher. If the disc drive is separate, why not put the entire licensing cost for Vision on that piece? People who want it can buy it, people who don't can skip it.
Is there any reason to own a console these days if none of my friends use them and I have a gaming PC? I have a lot of fond memories of playing Xbox 360, Wii, and PSP games. I’m sure this is...
Is there any reason to own a console these days if none of my friends use them and I have a gaming PC? I have a lot of fond memories of playing Xbox 360, Wii, and PSP games. I’m sure this is mostly a matter of getting older. I would love to have more of those kinds of experiences again. But I’m guessing it’s all in the past for me now. Do people past college play much on consoles?
The main benefit always seemed to be the option of local split screen and couch co-op. PC gaming can be social, but it’s not the same as having friends over and going wild on Mario Kart. I have friends, money and time so this shouldn’t be out of reach. But I recall hearing that local split screen was dying out years ago.
As a primarily PC-based gamer who also collects consoles as a hobby, at least in regards to the PS5 there is not really any need to get one if you don't have any planned investment in it. Sony now...
As a primarily PC-based gamer who also collects consoles as a hobby, at least in regards to the PS5 there is not really any need to get one if you don't have any planned investment in it. Sony now releases most of their exclusives on PC a year later, with improved features. And with PSVR2 now available to use on PC, even that component is not really a big pull to the console anymore.
I'd say to save your bucks and keep on PC gaming. Or get a Steam Deck and a dock and play that on your couch with a direct TV connection. If you have a good internal home network, you can even play games from your gaming PC by streaming them to the Deck, with very little latency in my experiences.
It might be worth getting a refurb PS5 to use as a sort of "PS4 ultra" for a no-hassle way to play cheap secondhand PS4 games, though that can also be done more cheaply by picking up a used...
It might be worth getting a refurb PS5 to use as a sort of "PS4 ultra" for a no-hassle way to play cheap secondhand PS4 games, though that can also be done more cheaply by picking up a used PS4/PS4 Pro and giving it a cleaning+repaste and replacing its spinning rust HDD with a cheap SATA SSD.
$700 is a steep price to begin with.
$700 without a disk drive is a disappointing.
$700 without even including the vertical stand is just insulting.
I'm not quite sure who a ps5 pro is for. Feels like anyone who wants a PS5 for... basically upscaled PS4 games tbh should just buy an old PS5, not even like there's that many games out there right now lol.
People who want to have their cake and eat it too w.r.g to performance and FPS. Pretty much every major title now is performance vs quality, and you only get 30 fps on quality. The gap is visuals is usually noticeable.
People keep saying this but that's not the angle where it's correct. There's not a lot of PS5 exclusives, because most titles come out on PC/Xbox as well, but very few if any games still come out on PS4. The last one I can think of is Hogwarts, and that took a year of chopping off shit until it could barely run on the PS4.
Wukong ran pretty damn badly on the PS5. I'd imagine that would be rectified on the Pro.
Aren't those the same thing? At least most of us use it interchangeably.
I meant quality and FPS.
I believe they're referring to games with a "Visual" mode and a "Performance" mode, with performance mode targeting 60fps and visual targeting higher resolutions and fancy effects.
30fps or less. The last game I played on my ps5 was FFXVI and that was all over the place on frame rate if you used quality settings.
It's for the small percentage of people who want the latest and are willing to buy it. This seems like Sony wants to make a bit of cash between consoles. The announcement is more technical and less flashy. So I don't think they're trying to get everyone to upgrade.
It's 4 years old. AAA games will be far between in console generations from now on unless they find a way to cut down development time some. 4+years for a game.
$700 is also the cheapest price in the list by far. £700 and €800 are more like $900.
Even the Japanese price of ¥119,980 JPY is like a little under $850, when converted to USD. So, what is Sony smoking when coming up with these prices, especially for their domestic market price.
Consoles have traditionally been more popular than PCs in Japan by a large margin, with many people not owning a PC of any kind or at most a non-gaming laptop (though this has been changing a bit in recent years), so they probably feel more secure in that market than in the US.
Nah, the Japanese gaming market is just Nintendo + iPhones at this point. The PS5 sales in Japan are atrocious, relatively speaking. It's more that Sony just gave up on the market, since it doesn't seem like a traditional home console will sell very well anytime soon.
Prices outside the US have VAT (or the equivalent) included.
Sony also doesn’t really care about the Japanese market. They just don’t buy a lot of consoles.
Even the ex-VAT price in the UK would be over $750, so higher than the total with any state's sales tax if this page is correct.
Mandatory extended warranty coverage, economies of scale, anticipated currency exchange rates, higher wages for staff in the country, tariffs, etc. all vary wildly per country. Can't speak to the UK though because I'm not sure if that extended manufacturer warranty still applies post-Brexit.
My point is that if $700 is considered a steep price in the US, where incidentally median household income is a good 60% higher and income taxes are significantly lower when compared with the UK, then imagine how steep it feels elsewhere.
Remember it's also the only one without some kind of VAT added onto it. And depending on the state, it be still true, since some states have 0% sales tax. But either way, VAT is going to bump up the prices in regions with one.
I know no one asked, but it's also $959.99 Canadian. That's more than my bi-weekly mortgage payment... That number breaks my mind for a console. I was going back and forth if the pro would be when I jump in on this console generation or stick with PC gaming. Sony just made that decision really easy for me.
Completely agree. I'd probably has passed on it based on the price alone, but not including the drive or stand is a slap in the face. You don't launch your new premium product that requires add-ons to be functional for many (most?) players.
So... This is $700 for a digital version, and the external disc drive thing is $80. This is a $300 price hike for digital and $280 for physical. Who's going to pay that kind of money? You can buy a PS5 and a Switch, a Quest, or a Series S for that price. Also, really stingy of them not to include the stand for using it vertically.
For $700, you can get a competent gaming PC (especially used) AND a switch. $700 for this thing is just absurd.
Cerny is the goat, but I feel like this is a gamble for Sony that the following assumptions are true:
Microsoft has effectively abdicated their position, Valve is playing the long game and, Nintendo is down market so far they're barely fighting for the same market share. Cloud gaming came and went.
Sony is the highest quality gaming experience in the living room by miles. Anything approaching their level of performance in the PC space has tons of compatibility baggage to navigate to operate effectively in the living room format.
I think this is just flat out recognition that Playstation is the premium platform for games. Price it appropriately and hope the market rewards their attempt to continue investing in and expanding the top end of the market.
I'll pick up the disk version at launch with the vertical stand. $$$, but I'd rather be thrilled with the time I'm not working.
Are they actually ahead of XBOX when it comes to performance or image quality? I was guessing as long as one plays multiplats, series X and PS5 were the same essentially.
PS5 and Series X were mostly neck and neck with one eking out a bit of an advantage over the other here and there from a technical perspective, but since the preceding generation (PS4/Xbone) PlayStation has had a leg up in the variety of games available. Xbox’s library is composed mostly of western FPS games and esports titles with few single-player games of any type while PlayStation has had a bit of everything.
The other thing that Xbox has going against it is that for the past couple of generations there's been little that runs on the Xbox that doesn't run on PC too, meaning that there's not much reason to buy an Xbox over a PC and if the conveniences/perks of a console are valuable, a PS5 is probably a better option. PS5 is also weak on exclusives, but at least it still has that variety and can also run a huge number of cheap used PS4 games.
So in these ways, PS5 is the better of the two in terms of quality of experience.
Prefacing this with I don't play on consoles. That would suck if it were true. Are you only talking about exclusives? Cause I think most high budget games try to come out in as many platforms as they deem worth their while.
Not just exclusives. Competitive multiplayer has by far been the dominant type of game on Xbox ever since the era of the 360 drew to a close. Both PlayStation and Switch have much better variety.
Triple-A games have been making more efforts to come to Xbox in the past year or two but there were plenty that were PS4/PS5 only if they came to any console while others skipped Xbox but came to PC.
I'd propose it's been even longer, since the day the original Halo came into existence on the OG Xbox. That game changed everything.
Though Halo was originally going to be a Mac game, with Bungie having been a Mac game studio prior to Microsoft's purchase.
The 360 particularly though had a very good selection of games, multiplayer or otherwise, early on though the PS3 caught up by the end of that generation's cycle. I think the PS3 might've also got new titles released for it longer than the 360 did.
I read the same previously-linked-on-Tildes article as well, heh. But it doesn't really change history, because Halo came out on Xbox and basically changed everything. It wasn't the first of its kind*, but it was the most successful immediate smash hit for multi-player competition that also didn't require organizing a whole LAN party to enjoy. And once we all figured out how to set up net tunnels, we were playing worldwide (Although I admit the unpopular opinion of enjoying Brute Force online far more than the original Halo). Given the built in ethernet jacks in both the Xbox and the 360, I'd way MS was primed to do this from the get-go.
As someone who's owned every main series PS and Xbox console from launch (yeah yeah I know, it's my hobby though), the 360 era was the point when most of the big draw Xbox games were also on PC. Multiplayer was where it shined from basically launch and onward. Only reason me and my circles ever touched it was for online MP, as finding folks to play with in the PC versions was a big chore, while with the 360 it was all right there, ready to go.
*Can't ignore the pure joy that was multi-player Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. Mmmmmm
Disclaimer: I own a Series X and it's my first Xbox after years with Playstation.
PS5 usually performs marginally better than Series X. The fact that games usually run at same settings on both platforms suggests that devs are not optimizing for Xbox Series X because they sold so poorly. On paper Series X is a faster machine but in the end it doesn't matter to the end consumer.
One thing that Xbox beats PS5 outright is VRR. Xbox Series does 40-120hz for all games while PS5 lower bound is 48hz and has to be implemented by game developer. It's not a silver bullet for game performance but it certainly helps with many games these days.
Microsoft has been historically quite good at backwards compatibility and that extends to Xbox as well. Plenty of older games are not only playable but with significant improvements like better resolution or 60fps on previously 30fps games).
That last point is why I upgraded from PS4 Pro to Series X last year. With the recent output of games industry you have to see writing on the wall. I'm no longer pursuing the latest in gaming but enjoy older stuff that I missed. It's still fun to run some of the latest stuff too obviously since there are some good games being made still but most of those are on Xbox too anyway.
I think from a pure fps/detail perspective you're correct, but experience isn't just data.
I've got both a PS5 and a Series X, but every single time I'm buying the multiplat for PS5. The volume of exclusives I'm invested in has made it the default for me. While PS+ isn't as good as GamePass, the convenience of using a single console makes just dropping into a new title a breeze.
Okay, but what makes the experience better? The Dual Sense's haptic feedback? Or perhaps you're just more used to the interface from using it more?
The volume of exclusives on Playstation helped me appreciate the straightforward UI. There are ads, but they feel unobtrusive. Xbox feels a bit more advertising focused, promoting Live or Gamepass at every opportunity.
TBH, I feel like upmarket experiences should advertise less. It's part of what I'm a paying premium for. While throwing ads out there maximizes platform revenue, it risks some brand positioning in the process.
DualSense feels like a better controller, but I don't mind the Series X controller. The haptics aren't really differentiating it meaningfully IMO.
I can’t speak for @NoobFace but personally I think the DualSense is amazing — for games that properly use it. Most don’t, of course, but when you find a game that does, it’s great.
Tangent here, but why not. I've got a Dualsense Edge, and as someone who is kind of low-key obsessed with finding and collecting the most "perfect" controllers I can get my hands on, I have to say it's the best gaming controller I've ever used for either the PS or the PC. Especially the PC. It kind of blows my mind how much easier it is to get an Edge working on a PC and with Steam than it is with Microsoft's own supposed "premium grade" Elite Series 2. With the gyro, the extra paddles and buttons, the trackpad, and the slowly but surely adopted adaptive triggers - EDIT and how could I forget on-board profiles and swappable sticks! - I have yet to find anything to rival the DS Edge's comfort and versatility.
Only flaws for me with this one are two. First, it's battery life is atrocious. But no biggie for me as I'm a weirdo who prefers to play with wired connection. Second, I'm also one of those weirdos who loved the OG "Duke" controller on the original Xbox, thanks to my mega huge man hands. Sadly the Edge doesn't come close to that behemoth's size and comfort for me, but I also accept that nothing else does, and likely nothing ever will, either. I know the Duke got something of a revival recently, but it was just... not good. Sigh.
Man, there really is no reason to buy this thing. I don't see why someone who isn't in the Sony ecosystem should get this over the base PS5, and I don't see why a performance enthusiast should get this instead of just getting a PC.
While I mostly agree this is "budget" from gaming PC perspective. You're still looking at $1k+ for a mid range gaming machine.
Yeah, you can blow almost the entire $700 budget on just a better than entry level graphics card.
True, but with PC gaming, you're also getting access to Free multiplayer, as well as a machine that can do everything a PS5 can do and then some.
I also have access to a games library that spans 40 years and yeah, it may take some work to run the oldest stuff, but it's doable. Not to mention, my Steam account alone is 20 years old and I still can play everything I bought back in 2004 with the click of a button, even though I'm many PCs away from what I started on Steam with.
This is all not to mention that you could get into PC gaming for cheaper than even $700. I can go on Craigslist right now, buy a used Dell with a 9th Gen i5 and 16Gb of RAM for $300. I could easily leave it at that and play any modern indie (which I'm sure you'll also find on the PS Store) and older AAA or I could go to microcenter and get an XFX Radeon 7600 and a new PSU for $259 + $70 respectively and still come in well under $700, while having a very respectable gaming machine that could handily play Cyberpunk at 1080p, Ultra 60+fps.
I don't have a horse in this race, but you can do PC gaming cheaply; I've done it, still do*. Even if you don't and you spend more, your PC will likely last you longer and give you access to a substantially larger library of games.
*My main gaming machines:
i7-1160g7
16Gb RAM
Intel Iris Xe 96/Radeon 5500 XT
Currently playing: Everspace 2
i7-7700
16Gb RAM
GTX 1070
Currently playing: Dead Space Remake
Steam Deck
Currently playing: Yakuza: Lika a Dragon
You're not exactly wrong, but i'm sorta considering like for like.
Yes the PC has infinitely more titles, and yes Sony has exclusives that they try to keep only on their system (although a little better about it, for years at a time still).
Still, I feel like the kind of person who's the target market for a PS5 Pro, is not going to want to be on the lower end of PC gaming. I'm guessing they're wanting 60fps performance with new AAA titles, and the PS5 Pro should deliver that.
Assuming a like for like game that fits that bill and is on both systems, I think you can easily wind up spending quite a bit more.
The build I've written out is easily capable of 1080p 60+ fps on Ultra in GoW Ragnarok..
Note that a Ryzen 5600 is only marginally faster than my listed CPU.
I 100% grant that someone might want a PS5 Pro for sheer ease of use, I absolutely get that, but to claim you can't do 1080p ultra, 60fps+ AAA gaming on a PC for less than $700 is misinformation at best.
Not trying to be accusatory here, but I just want to point out that many have misguided ideas about what hardware is necessary.
1080p is an important caveat here. PS5 is generally 4k30 in “quality” mode and 1440p 30 fps in performance mode. Presumably PS5 Pro is going to be getting near 4k60.
Now that's legitimate argument.
That said, I don't believe my listed build would struggle to do 30fps 4k medium/high. The few resources I've looked at suggests it could do 60fps 4k low, so I'd be surprised if it had issues 30fps 4k medium/high.
Not sure which build you're referencing, but since the first seems to be a laptop, i'm assuming it's the second.
Did my best to recreate on PC Part Picker and i'm at the $700 budget with just the CPU, Memory, Storage, and card.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Ygkh3
That does not include a PSU, Motherboard, Case, OS, or CPU cooler (which arguably might not be needed).
Sticking with dirt cheap options from the remaining and not checking compatibility/sanity, and assuming linux instead of windows (which for a gaming build I very much doubt, so another $50-200 depending):
I get this, for $839.18:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9Kpf6D
Am I missing something here? I think you're taking some pretty heavy sacrifices on the quality of your other parts to be anywhere near the budget but still use the parts you recommended?
I'm not talking about building a new PC from scratch and my initial post is referencing a used Dell desktop from Craigslist for $300 and then adding parts to that.
It's less of a task for a novice to add a GPU or change a PSU and it comes with a Windows license for no extra cost.
Worth noting that used prebuilts come with notable caveats compared to custom builds and consoles, mainly that a lot of prebuilts have absolutely awful cooling.
Dell/Alienware is particularly egregious here, using tiny coolers and cases with very little airflow, plus it’s all proprietary which means you can’t do a case transplant or even put on a more capable CPU cooler.
GamersNexus found that some Dell/Alienware machines were so bad in this regard that they throttled themselves down a couple of CPU tiers to not cook themselves.
This is true, so you'd maybe want to do legwork repasting the cooler. That said, I gamed for many, many years on a Thinkserver TS140 with a Xeon processor and a 750Ti, later upgraded to a 970 GTX and didn't experience any issues with throttling.
My whole goal in this thread is to point out that PC gaming isn't that expensive in comparison to something like this PS5 Pro and you're getting so much more utility and library, as well as potentially even more performance for less money.
I'm more than willing to accept that some folks just want something they can plug into their TV and go, that is completely valid. I just want to also point out for those that are willing to do some of the work PC gaming requires and are deliberating between a PS5 Pro and a PC, it can be done very cheaply without building your own machine other than changing a couple of parts.
To me, there's this zeitgeist in hobbying these days--whether that's Computers, Jeeps, Photography, Wargaming, etc--that you need the most expensive, fanciest thing for the hobby to even be worth it when that is absolutely far from the truth.
I do see some of this, but even if the messaging gets muddled I think the real point is to manage expectations. In the case of lower spec gaming systems, yes they're serviceable, but don't expect miracles — higher powered systems can and will mop the floor with them. Just make sure that you'll be happy with the compromises involved.
Living room gaming is still effectively the realm of integrated devices. While SteamOS/Bazzite/ChimeraOS are seeing a surge of interest with the success of the SteamDeck and other adjacent hardware platforms, they're still incredibly complicated for a plug-n-play consumer or provide a sub-standard experience relative to their cost.
I'm saying all this after having spent most of a weekend getting Fallout London working in Proton.
PS5 Pro is the uncompromising platform.
The PlayStation 5 hardly has any exclusives compared to previous generations, and now Sony have the cheek to charge £700 for an AI-enhanced 1.5 times performance improvement, minus the vertical stand or even the Blu-ray drive.
Fuck. That.
Additional info for the price and release date on Twitter
https://x.com/IGN/status/1833523464847884345
Additional notes, doesn't seem like there's a Disc Drive included, nor is the Vertical Mount included.
Having an optional disc drive makes the continued absence of Dolby Vision a head scratcher. If the disc drive is separate, why not put the entire licensing cost for Vision on that piece? People who want it can buy it, people who don't can skip it.
Is there any reason to own a console these days if none of my friends use them and I have a gaming PC? I have a lot of fond memories of playing Xbox 360, Wii, and PSP games. I’m sure this is mostly a matter of getting older. I would love to have more of those kinds of experiences again. But I’m guessing it’s all in the past for me now. Do people past college play much on consoles?
The main benefit always seemed to be the option of local split screen and couch co-op. PC gaming can be social, but it’s not the same as having friends over and going wild on Mario Kart. I have friends, money and time so this shouldn’t be out of reach. But I recall hearing that local split screen was dying out years ago.
As a primarily PC-based gamer who also collects consoles as a hobby, at least in regards to the PS5 there is not really any need to get one if you don't have any planned investment in it. Sony now releases most of their exclusives on PC a year later, with improved features. And with PSVR2 now available to use on PC, even that component is not really a big pull to the console anymore.
I'd say to save your bucks and keep on PC gaming. Or get a Steam Deck and a dock and play that on your couch with a direct TV connection. If you have a good internal home network, you can even play games from your gaming PC by streaming them to the Deck, with very little latency in my experiences.
It might be worth getting a refurb PS5 to use as a sort of "PS4 ultra" for a no-hassle way to play cheap secondhand PS4 games, though that can also be done more cheaply by picking up a used PS4/PS4 Pro and giving it a cleaning+repaste and replacing its spinning rust HDD with a cheap SATA SSD.