funny you say that because there's totally a Groundhog Day musical and honestly I'd be thrilled if the musical were re-adapted back into a movie, it has some truly amazing songs and the lyrics are...
funny you say that because there's totally a Groundhog Day musical and honestly I'd be thrilled if the musical were re-adapted back into a movie, it has some truly amazing songs and the lyrics are hilarious all the way through
but whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy also the changed mood of the music depresses me, the original is so good cos the music is fun and happy not...
but whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
also the changed mood of the music depresses me, the original is so good cos the music is fun and happy not traditional hollywood epic
They'd better not have messed with Test Drive! (Even though I was working for a competing animation studio at the time, that movie and that scene -- *chef's kiss*.)
That would require them to include a bagpipe in their instrumentation, which.....somehow I doubt brass - fine woodwinds - fine percussion - need more soaring violins - ok but never with the melody...
That would require them to include a bagpipe in their instrumentation, which.....somehow I doubt
brass - fine
woodwinds - fine
percussion - need more
soaring violins - ok but never with the melody
bagpipe - never
[that is representative of my belief of current movie composers' opinions, not my own opinions]
It's almost exactly the same (pretty sure it's only the last bit that really gets more epic) and it's a first teaser. I wouldn't even assume this is what the actual music will sound like in the move.
It's almost exactly the same (pretty sure it's only the last bit that really gets more epic) and it's a first teaser. I wouldn't even assume this is what the actual music will sound like in the move.
Reading this I mixed up Nick Park and Nick Frost at first, but serendipitously now I have the PERFECT pitch for the pair of actors to play Wallace and Gromit...
Reading this I mixed up Nick Park and Nick Frost at first, but serendipitously now I have the PERFECT pitch for the pair of actors to play Wallace and Gromit...
I saw a new Wallace & Gromit trailer pop up in my feed this morning and was genuinely scared for a moment that I had cursed us all. Thankfully I was wrong.
I saw a new Wallace & Gromit trailer pop up in my feed this morning and was genuinely scared for a moment that I had cursed us all.
I hope it's good, but for some reason I feel like W&G shouldn't have sequels to previous storylines. They seem like they're better as unconnected episodes. But I really hope they prove me wrong!...
I hope it's good, but for some reason I feel like W&G shouldn't have sequels to previous storylines. They seem like they're better as unconnected episodes. But I really hope they prove me wrong!
(I couldn't finish Chicken Run 2 because I found it so uninteresting. The first movie was probably my favorite Aardman project, and I really wanted to enjoy the second.)
This is so… disappointing. I remember there was a clip circulating around of a Dragon animatronic which claimed to be from this film (it wasn’t) but that idea excited me. I don’t understand the...
This is so… disappointing.
I remember there was a clip circulating around of a Dragon animatronic which claimed to be from this film (it wasn’t) but that idea excited me.
I don’t understand the point of this considering everything looks the same except with real people. Yes, I know people say live-action remakes are unnecessary. But I thought, at the very least, there would be a more realistic look to everything.
They suck from an artistic standpoint but are a slam dunk from a marketing one. You're reusing everything and get to cash in on that sweet sweet name recognition. Is it a good film? God no. But if...
They suck from an artistic standpoint but are a slam dunk from a marketing one.
You're reusing everything and get to cash in on that sweet sweet name recognition. Is it a good film? God no. But if you can keep the damn thing under a reasonablish budget most people will take their kids to see it just because.
Yeah... I can't remember the last time I was excited by CGI in movies, to be honest. Practical effects are so precious. Every time I can do something on set, that is what I do. Lighting beats...
Yeah... I can't remember the last time I was excited by CGI in movies, to be honest. Practical effects are so precious. Every time I can do something on set, that is what I do. Lighting beats After Effects every time. It's so much better (for the basic kind of things I used to do).
Before clicking "Please Don't be live action" *Inside me * "Search your feelings, you know it to be true." Et Tu, Dreamworks? I thought you were the anti-disney. Boomer Rant aside, it looks really...
Before clicking
"Please Don't be live action"
*Inside me * "Search your feelings, you know it to be true."
Et Tu, Dreamworks? I thought you were the anti-disney.
Boomer Rant aside, it looks really good on a technical level. Toothless is composited really well into the scene. I'm sure the cast is well experienced, but I'm also glad I don't see any obligatory "Butts in seats A star with questionable role" as well. I'm sure it'll be fine, but It's pretty much the opposite of what I want from an animation studio
People here are acting like this is the end of the world. It's a live action remake of How to Train Your Dragon. Who cares about all that crap? I'm just happy to see more of Toothless (even if it...
People here are acting like this is the end of the world. It's a live action remake of How to Train Your Dragon. Who cares about all that crap? I'm just happy to see more of Toothless (even if it seems to be the exact same animations and almost the same textures).
If we want more from this series, why not another animated sequel? Why put all this effort into redoing a movie that we can already watch, and is less than 15 years old. It's just a soulless cash...
If we want more from this series, why not another animated sequel? Why put all this effort into redoing a movie that we can already watch, and is less than 15 years old.
It's just a soulless cash grab relying on (very recent) nostalgia.
As always, one thing existing does not preclude another from existing. This does not mean there cannot be another animated movie. It's a remake of a kids movie. It's really not that big of a deal.
As always, one thing existing does not preclude another from existing. This does not mean there cannot be another animated movie. It's a remake of a kids movie. It's really not that big of a deal.
Note that they're no longer making them all in-house like they used to. The Wild Robot was announced to be the last fully-in-house animated film from them. They are now outsourcing much of the...
Note that they're no longer making them all in-house like they used to. The Wild Robot was announced to be the last fully-in-house animated film from them. They are now outsourcing much of the production of new animated films going forward.
Is this a good way to live though? Should we be irrationally angry at everything we don’t like because it represents wasted potential of things we could have liked? That just seems like a recipe...
Is this a good way to live though?
Should we be irrationally angry at everything we don’t like because it represents wasted potential of things we could have liked?
That just seems like a recipe for disappointment in and bitterness towards everyone around you.
I don't know that anyone is angry? Just disappointed. Also no one involved in these decisions is directly around me. I'm not storming over to my friend's house to yell at him.
I don't know that anyone is angry? Just disappointed.
Also no one involved in these decisions is directly around me. I'm not storming over to my friend's house to yell at him.
If it flops, do you think studio executives will blame audience burn out on live action adaptations, or the IP becoming stale? If they blame the IP, why would they make another movie with the same IP?
If it flops, do you think studio executives will blame audience burn out on live action adaptations, or the IP becoming stale? If they blame the IP, why would they make another movie with the same IP?
Obviously you don't, so why comment at all? You're just complaining about complaining. If you're disappointed or annoyed that the comment thread isn't as you expected, then say that. Don't simply...
Who cares about all that crap?
Obviously you don't, so why comment at all? You're just complaining about complaining. If you're disappointed or annoyed that the comment thread isn't as you expected, then say that. Don't simply dismiss everyone else's opinions with generic reasoning like you have never had a similar thought.
When I used to work at an animation studio (not DW), I once suggested that it would be great to "remaster" some of the earlier films with all the great new tech that we had now. I was told that it...
When I used to work at an animation studio (not DW), I once suggested that it would be great to "remaster" some of the earlier films with all the great new tech that we had now. I was told that it would never happen; the effort that it would take to upgrade the assets to look decent with the new tech would be on par with doing a whole new film anyway, so they might as well just go for a true sequel/prequel.
🤚 if you want a short but humorous distillation of the feeling, here you go I looked for an hour, but if I find the much better 30 minute respectective on the history of animation and why it was...
Who cares about all that crap?
🤚
if you want a short but humorous distillation of the feeling, here you go
I looked for an hour, but if I find the much better 30 minute respectective on the history of animation and why it was never properly respected, I'll post it here
Well you did ask why I cared about all this crap. I don't really care if animation sweeps awards shows, but that stigma of "for kids" is a (small) part of why these live action adaptations are...
Well you did ask why I cared about all this crap. I don't really care if animation sweeps awards shows, but that stigma of "for kids" is a (small) part of why these live action adaptations are made as these "the real version for adults" are made, and subsequently why the former isn't respected .
Again I apologize for not finding that 30 minute video that explained it so well. I really did spend over an hour trying to backtrack my history, but I must have watched that 8 months ago .
Presumably you like movies. One of the nice things of the past has been that even slop family movies designed for children, very safe movies with pretty strict guardrails, have at least allowed...
Presumably you like movies. One of the nice things of the past has been that even slop family movies designed for children, very safe movies with pretty strict guardrails, have at least allowed some amount of creativity from the staff working on it.
This has... nothing. They're basically just doing a shot for shot remake without ANY personality. even the dragon looks the same, only with a high res bumpmap. I don't even mind leaning on the same IP. But come on, this is like asking an AI for the live action version of a movie that already exists. What's the point?
The point is clearly for DreamWorks to make money. But, like, okay? How does that affect you or me? DreamWorks has four animated movies releasing within a year, so it's not like this is preventing...
The point is clearly for DreamWorks to make money. But, like, okay? How does that affect you or me? DreamWorks has four animated movies releasing within a year, so it's not like this is preventing other movies from being produced.
I don't really care about their bottom line though. I care about art, and it makes sense if you give a shit about art and movies to not like actual slop. You're in a place for people who love...
I don't really care about their bottom line though. I care about art, and it makes sense if you give a shit about art and movies to not like actual slop. You're in a place for people who love movies, why wouldn't they be upset about how a remake of a surprisingly good animated kids movie looks like fucking dogshit?
Definitionally by the very nature of it being made something else wasn't. And that means we sacrificed a chance for actual new art to be created so that we could get more recycled garbage.
People are mad because the deluge of remakes and sequels has slowed the pace of new original content in this space to an absolute crawl. Bad/uninteresting movies can be ignored, but what can't be...
People are mad because the deluge of remakes and sequels has slowed the pace of new original content in this space to an absolute crawl. Bad/uninteresting movies can be ignored, but what can't be ignored is the near total lack of anything new or interesting to watch.
I was specifically referring to live-action blockbusters. Remakes and sequels aren't as prevalent yet in animation (though it's starting to get there).
I was specifically referring to live-action blockbusters. Remakes and sequels aren't as prevalent yet in animation (though it's starting to get there).
I put on my conspiracy theorist hat, and immediately wondered if there might be a ragebait angle here meant to get people talking about the IP again. 🤔 Obviously not the full picture, as they...
I put on my conspiracy theorist hat, and immediately wondered if there might be a ragebait angle here meant to get people talking about the IP again. 🤔
Obviously not the full picture, as they wouldn't spend money on an entire movie only to create ragebait. But maybe they lean into it a bit in marketing (by showing some of the more iconic shots redone) to get people talking?
It'd be really awful to do that to Nico Parker who's receiving all sorts of hate for not being Scandanavian. I mean she's also multiracial, and some people think it's fine because she's like,...
It'd be really awful to do that to Nico Parker who's receiving all sorts of hate for not being Scandanavian. I mean she's also multiracial, and some people think it's fine because she's like, "mostly white" but she's not blonde so, it's really about the "authenticity." (Just because /s)
No other actor is Scandanavian either, but that doesn't come up. TBH I bet they're not even hiring real dragons.
We're converging on the most market-efficient method of filmmaking possible. From now on all kids' movies will be made simultaneously in CGI and live action using the same storyboards and...
We're converging on the most market-efficient method of filmmaking possible. From now on all kids' movies will be made simultaneously in CGI and live action using the same storyboards and production staff, then released two years apart. Instead of wrapping, the production will then immediately pivot to filming the reboot of the film before the first has even hit theaters, using all of the same assets.
I just watched the trailer (without sound) after reading through the thread. Honestly it seems fine. I might go see it in IMAX just because IMAX is a unique experience, even if the film isn't...
I just watched the trailer (without sound) after reading through the thread. Honestly it seems fine. I might go see it in IMAX just because IMAX is a unique experience, even if the film isn't great. I don't think film remakes are inherently bad. They just have to understand what made the original good. The Lion King, for example, didn't understand at all what made the animated movie good, and was extremely poor because of it. From the trailer, I can't tell if they will fall into the same trap. I will be interested to see how it goes.
My problem isn't that I expect it to be bad, just unnecessary. The original is already perfect, so what is the point in remaking it? If studios are so hell-bent on remaking older movies, they...
My problem isn't that I expect it to be bad, just unnecessary. The original is already perfect, so what is the point in remaking it?
If studios are so hell-bent on remaking older movies, they should pick ones that had interesting ideas but never lived up to their potential. Jon Landau and James Cameron talked a few times about remaking Fantastic Voyage and I think that is a great candidate for a remake. Trying to improve upon The Lion King or How to Train Your Dragon just seems like a fool's errand.
It's not the worst thing in the world if people like this or are curious enough to check out the original film. If this is the version that someone likes because animation is not their bag, then...
It's not the worst thing in the world if people like this or are curious enough to check out the original film. If this is the version that someone likes because animation is not their bag, then that's perfectly fine, and if it's The Last Airbender all over again, it's something to talk about and chum the waters around the franchise with.
I feel like I’m trapped in some kind of Groundhog Day time loop the same movies keep coming out over and over again
funny you say that because there's totally a Groundhog Day musical and honestly I'd be thrilled if the musical were re-adapted back into a movie, it has some truly amazing songs and the lyrics are hilarious all the way through
but whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
also the changed mood of the music depresses me, the original is so good cos the music is fun and happy not traditional hollywood epic
Whatever the market will bear
They'd better not have messed with Test Drive!
(Even though I was working for a competing animation studio at the time, that movie and that scene -- *chef's kiss*.)
That would require them to include a bagpipe in their instrumentation, which.....somehow I doubt
brass - fine
woodwinds - fine
percussion - need more
soaring violins - ok but never with the melody
bagpipe - never
[that is representative of my belief of current movie composers' opinions, not my own opinions]
I give you The Bagpipes of Atreides: https://youtu.be/D9TiTJWkW5o
(Notably, they were intentionally made more subtle as an artistic choice)
It's almost exactly the same (pretty sure it's only the last bit that really gets more epic) and it's a first teaser. I wouldn't even assume this is what the actual music will sound like in the move.
This seems so totally unnecessary. The animated movie is great, and recent! This would be like remaking Moana
😬
That one is still a couple years off: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moana_(2026_film)
When it comes out, the animated movie will only be ten years old lol
We're due for a live action Wallace and Gromit, yeah?
Oh my fuck, I can actually picture how this would look.
Nick Park wouldn't do that to us though, right? Right?
Reading this I mixed up Nick Park and Nick Frost at first, but serendipitously now I have the PERFECT pitch for the pair of actors to play Wallace and Gromit...
Would he just be in a dog suit like Wilfred, all body language and no dialogue?
I saw a new Wallace & Gromit trailer pop up in my feed this morning and was genuinely scared for a moment that I had cursed us all.
Thankfully I was wrong.
I hope it's good, but for some reason I feel like W&G shouldn't have sequels to previous storylines. They seem like they're better as unconnected episodes. But I really hope they prove me wrong!
(I couldn't finish Chicken Run 2 because I found it so uninteresting. The first movie was probably my favorite Aardman project, and I really wanted to enjoy the second.)
I'm willing to make an exception in this case. Feathers McGraw is such a good villain. :)
That just be your Air Bud of the 2020's with extra steps.
I genuinely think we should pass a law to make that illegal
This is so… disappointing.
I remember there was a clip circulating around of a Dragon animatronic which claimed to be from this film (it wasn’t) but that idea excited me.
I don’t understand the point of this considering everything looks the same except with real people. Yes, I know people say live-action remakes are unnecessary. But I thought, at the very least, there would be a more realistic look to everything.
They suck from an artistic standpoint but are a slam dunk from a marketing one.
You're reusing everything and get to cash in on that sweet sweet name recognition. Is it a good film? God no. But if you can keep the damn thing under a reasonablish budget most people will take their kids to see it just because.
Yeah... I can't remember the last time I was excited by CGI in movies, to be honest. Practical effects are so precious. Every time I can do something on set, that is what I do. Lighting beats After Effects every time. It's so much better (for the basic kind of things I used to do).
Before clicking
"Please Don't be live action"
*Inside me * "Search your feelings, you know it to be true."
Et Tu, Dreamworks? I thought you were the anti-disney.
Boomer Rant aside, it looks really good on a technical level. Toothless is composited really well into the scene. I'm sure the cast is well experienced, but I'm also glad I don't see any obligatory "Butts in seats A star with questionable role" as well. I'm sure it'll be fine, but It's pretty much the opposite of what I want from an animation studio
People here are acting like this is the end of the world. It's a live action remake of How to Train Your Dragon. Who cares about all that crap? I'm just happy to see more of Toothless (even if it seems to be the exact same animations and almost the same textures).
If we want more from this series, why not another animated sequel? Why put all this effort into redoing a movie that we can already watch, and is less than 15 years old.
It's just a soulless cash grab relying on (very recent) nostalgia.
As always, one thing existing does not preclude another from existing. This does not mean there cannot be another animated movie. It's a remake of a kids movie. It's really not that big of a deal.
One thing existing means another project wasn't funded.
Except they are releasing four animated movies within a year. They still have a full schedule.
That doesn't change what I said at all
Note that they're no longer making them all in-house like they used to. The Wild Robot was announced to be the last fully-in-house animated film from them. They are now outsourcing much of the production of new animated films going forward.
Is this a good way to live though?
Should we be irrationally angry at everything we don’t like because it represents wasted potential of things we could have liked?
That just seems like a recipe for disappointment in and bitterness towards everyone around you.
I don't know that anyone is angry? Just disappointed.
Also no one involved in these decisions is directly around me. I'm not storming over to my friend's house to yell at him.
If it flops, do you think studio executives will blame audience burn out on live action adaptations, or the IP becoming stale? If they blame the IP, why would they make another movie with the same IP?
Obviously you don't, so why comment at all? You're just complaining about complaining. If you're disappointed or annoyed that the comment thread isn't as you expected, then say that. Don't simply dismiss everyone else's opinions with generic reasoning like you have never had a similar thought.
Think you may have replied to the wrong comment
Yupp, my mistake. I guess clicked on the child instead of the parent comment
When I used to work at an animation studio (not DW), I once suggested that it would be great to "remaster" some of the earlier films with all the great new tech that we had now. I was told that it would never happen; the effort that it would take to upgrade the assets to look decent with the new tech would be on par with doing a whole new film anyway, so they might as well just go for a true sequel/prequel.
🤚
if you want a short but humorous distillation of the feeling, here you go
I looked for an hour, but if I find the much better 30 minute respectective on the history of animation and why it was never properly respected, I'll post it here
What does that have to do with this? I didn't say animation can't be for adults.
Well you did ask why I cared about all this crap. I don't really care if animation sweeps awards shows, but that stigma of "for kids" is a (small) part of why these live action adaptations are made as these "the real version for adults" are made, and subsequently why the former isn't respected .
Again I apologize for not finding that 30 minute video that explained it so well. I really did spend over an hour trying to backtrack my history, but I must have watched that 8 months ago .
Presumably you like movies. One of the nice things of the past has been that even slop family movies designed for children, very safe movies with pretty strict guardrails, have at least allowed some amount of creativity from the staff working on it.
This has... nothing. They're basically just doing a shot for shot remake without ANY personality. even the dragon looks the same, only with a high res bumpmap. I don't even mind leaning on the same IP. But come on, this is like asking an AI for the live action version of a movie that already exists. What's the point?
The point is clearly for DreamWorks to make money. But, like, okay? How does that affect you or me? DreamWorks has four animated movies releasing within a year, so it's not like this is preventing other movies from being produced.
I don't really care about their bottom line though. I care about art, and it makes sense if you give a shit about art and movies to not like actual slop. You're in a place for people who love movies, why wouldn't they be upset about how a remake of a surprisingly good animated kids movie looks like fucking dogshit?
Definitionally by the very nature of it being made something else wasn't. And that means we sacrificed a chance for actual new art to be created so that we could get more recycled garbage.
You're right, it's like that Psycho remake from the 90's. Except that was intentional.
People are mad because the deluge of remakes and sequels has slowed the pace of new original content in this space to an absolute crawl. Bad/uninteresting movies can be ignored, but what can't be ignored is the near total lack of anything new or interesting to watch.
Has it slowed to a crawl? DreamWorks alone has four animated movies coming out within a year and only one is a sequel.
I was specifically referring to live-action blockbusters. Remakes and sequels aren't as prevalent yet in animation (though it's starting to get there).
I put on my conspiracy theorist hat, and immediately wondered if there might be a ragebait angle here meant to get people talking about the IP again. 🤔
Obviously not the full picture, as they wouldn't spend money on an entire movie only to create ragebait. But maybe they lean into it a bit in marketing (by showing some of the more iconic shots redone) to get people talking?
It'd be really awful to do that to Nico Parker who's receiving all sorts of hate for not being Scandanavian. I mean she's also multiracial, and some people think it's fine because she's like, "mostly white" but she's not blonde so, it's really about the "authenticity." (Just because /s)
No other actor is Scandanavian either, but that doesn't come up. TBH I bet they're not even hiring real dragons.
(I'm annoyed at this fandom rn)
We're converging on the most market-efficient method of filmmaking possible. From now on all kids' movies will be made simultaneously in CGI and live action using the same storyboards and production staff, then released two years apart. Instead of wrapping, the production will then immediately pivot to filming the reboot of the film before the first has even hit theaters, using all of the same assets.
I just watched the trailer (without sound) after reading through the thread. Honestly it seems fine. I might go see it in IMAX just because IMAX is a unique experience, even if the film isn't great. I don't think film remakes are inherently bad. They just have to understand what made the original good. The Lion King, for example, didn't understand at all what made the animated movie good, and was extremely poor because of it. From the trailer, I can't tell if they will fall into the same trap. I will be interested to see how it goes.
My problem isn't that I expect it to be bad, just unnecessary. The original is already perfect, so what is the point in remaking it?
If studios are so hell-bent on remaking older movies, they should pick ones that had interesting ideas but never lived up to their potential. Jon Landau and James Cameron talked a few times about remaking Fantastic Voyage and I think that is a great candidate for a remake. Trying to improve upon The Lion King or How to Train Your Dragon just seems like a fool's errand.
This reminds me of that old "Live Action Zelda" trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBCzkz3gHb8
It's not the worst thing in the world if people like this or are curious enough to check out the original film. If this is the version that someone likes because animation is not their bag, then that's perfectly fine, and if it's The Last Airbender all over again, it's something to talk about and chum the waters around the franchise with.