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Daily thread - United States 2021 transition of power - January 20

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  1. [3]
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        teaearlgraycold
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        He’ll give us an actual pandemic response. For that I don’t give a shit how centrist he is.

        He’ll give us an actual pandemic response. For that I don’t give a shit how centrist he is.

        19 votes
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          1. suspended
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            Would you, please, explain what you mean here?

            Kamala "Top Cop" Harris, who is... really a problem.

            Would you, please, explain what you mean here?

            8 votes
  2. dubteedub
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    It is hard to imagine actually getting here today. These last four years have felt like decades at times. While I am so relieved that the worst, white supremacist, lying, crime President our...

    It is hard to imagine actually getting here today. These last four years have felt like decades at times. While I am so relieved that the worst, white supremacist, lying, crime President our nation has ever had is finally gone, it is still hard to fathom that so many other Americans continue to support this vile man. It feels like there is such a gulf between the the racist conspiracy theorists that constitute the GOP and their base and the rest of America and I don't know if we will ever really recover from Trumpism.

    19 votes
  3. [8]
    Deimos
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    Here are the 143 pardons (including 70 commuted sentences) they granted on the way out:...

    Here are the 143 pardons (including 70 commuted sentences) they granted on the way out: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-executive-grants-clemency-012021/

    Still looking through, but some highlights I've noticed so far:

    • Steve Bannon
    • Elliott Broidy
    • Anthony Levandowski
    • Lil Wayne
    14 votes
    1. [4]
      MonkeyPants
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      No self pardon. No pardon of family members. No pardon of anyone who stormed the Capitol. Color me surprised.

      No self pardon.

      No pardon of family members.

      No pardon of anyone who stormed the Capitol.

      Color me surprised.

      15 votes
      1. [3]
        Amarok
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        Nothing for Assange, Manning, or Snowden either. Pardons are for criminals, not whistleblowers.

        Nothing for Assange, Manning, or Snowden either. Pardons are for criminals, not whistleblowers.

        11 votes
        1. emdash
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          I would argue Assange falls under both of those categories—but I'm sure that's a contentious discussion I don't want to have.

          I would argue Assange falls under both of those categories—but I'm sure that's a contentious discussion I don't want to have.

          5 votes
        2. AugustusFerdinand
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          Per Axios' "Off the rails" reporting Barr blocked this one right before resigning.

          or Snowden either.

          Per Axios' "Off the rails" reporting Barr blocked this one right before resigning.

          Barr decided to quit before their private skirmishes spilled further into public view. Some speculated he had quit over the president's increasingly questionable pardons. But that had nothing to do with it. Barr had made it clear to Cipollone he did not want to be consulted on these post-election pardons. He did not need to hear about them until he received the official notices. The only pardon he made an effort to preemptively stop was for Edward Snowden.

          4 votes
    2. Akir
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      On a positive note, it seems from quickly scanning through the list for what the offenses were, it seems like a number of these pardons were for people who actually seem to deserve it - people...

      On a positive note, it seems from quickly scanning through the list for what the offenses were, it seems like a number of these pardons were for people who actually seem to deserve it - people tried for drug charges as first-time offenders with exemplary disciplinary records.

      I'm choosing to ignore the voice in my head that's telling me that he probably has an ulterior reason for most of them and just focus on the good parts.

      12 votes
  4. [4]
    spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Right-wing talk radio host Jesse Kelly: Dude has "anti-communist" in his bio and he's advising people to "Begin where Mao began".
    14 votes
    1. vord
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      Maybe he just really, really hates his landlord.

      Maybe he just really, really hates his landlord.

      4 votes
    2. [2]
      teaearlgraycold
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      Sorry. The momentum is in the other direction. Cities will increasingly outweigh rural counties. Texas will flip to blue.

      Sorry. The momentum is in the other direction. Cities will increasingly outweigh rural counties. Texas will flip to blue.

      3 votes
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    Grimalkin
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    There's a talking head-less livestream from PBS and it's an awesome way to watch the festivities today.
    13 votes
    1. [2]
      vord
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      At one point earlier in the AM they were doing B-roll, and then they showed shots of Air Force One with Sinatra's "My way" playing. I thought it was a nice subtle jab.

      At one point earlier in the AM they were doing B-roll, and then they showed shots of Air Force One with Sinatra's "My way" playing. I thought it was a nice subtle jab.

      And now, the end is near
      And so I face the final curtain
      My friends, I'll say it clear
      I'll state my case of which I'm certain
      I've lived a life that's full
      I traveled each and every highway
      But more, much more than this
      I did it my way

      Regrets, I've had a few
      But then again, too few to mention
      I did what I had to do
      And saw it through without exemption
      I planned each chartered course
      Each careful step along the byway
      But more, much more than this
      I did it my way

      Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew
      When I bit off more than I could chew
      But through it all, when there was doubt
      I ate it up and spit it out
      I faced it all and I stood tall
      And did it my way

      I've loved, laughed and cried
      I've had my fill, my share of losing
      And now, as tears subside
      I find it all so amusing
      To think I did all that
      And may I say, not in a shy way
      Oh no, no, not me
      I did it my way

      For what is a man, what has he got
      If not himself then he has not
      To say all the things he truly feels
      And not the words of one who kneels
      The record shows, I took the blows
      But I did it my way

      4 votes
      1. RapidEyeMovement
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        That song ended as Air Force One was lifting off, I cannot believe they had it so well timed too

        That song ended as Air Force One was lifting off, I cannot believe they had it so well timed too

        4 votes
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    kfwyre
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    I spent a long time trying to figure out what I wanted to say about today. I find myself in the unusual position of being at a loss for words. As COVID continues to ravage our country unabated, it...

    I spent a long time trying to figure out what I wanted to say about today. I find myself in the unusual position of being at a loss for words.

    As COVID continues to ravage our country unabated, it is hard for me to be thrilled or happy at all, and it is hard for me to find anything in my feelings but contempt for Trump. While he has many misdeeds, I believe his worst and most inexcusable actions were in directly creating the conditions that have allowed this virus to take such a deadly, devastating hold on our nation. He is not solely responsible, certainly, but I believe that the losses and suffering of this country would be far, far less had we not been lead through this pandemic by his darkest of hearts.

    Today wasn't about contempt though, and I think there is harm in allowing Trump's influence to persist past the point of relevance. His story is not over, and I'm sure we'll see more news about him in the coming weeks and months, but his term is over. His hold on power is over.

    In thinking about what I want to say about today that speaks truth to my feelings, I'm left with only this at the moment: I am genuinely relieved that I, as an American, am no longer obligated to give any attention to Trump because he is no longer the face and mouth of our nation. I believe he was a fire for whom attention was oxygen, and he no longer inhabits a role that demands my attention out of necessity. I no longer have to feed his fire against my will.

    I don't think it's necessarily a fair summary of the day, or even fair to the incoming administration, as this is ostensibly a day to look to the future and honor those who are new to their positions rather than focus on the people who once held them, but today didn't feel like the first of a new line of days for me -- it felt like the last of a long line of old ones. I'm choosing this day to live in that last moment, because this is the moment where I can relish the feeling of letting go and sink into its relief. I once had to give my time to Trump because he, by the authority of my country, held power over me. No longer. Today was my last day with him.

    Tomorrow will be my first day without him. I haven't found forgiveness for him in my heart, and I doubt that I ever will, but his absence from my life will allow my contempt to abate, and that alone is improvement. Tomorrow will be the day I can let my frozen anger begin to thaw.

    13 votes
    1. Omnicrola
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      You really do have a wonderful way with words.

      You really do have a wonderful way with words.

      3 votes
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    JRandomHacker
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    Amanda Gorman's poem "The Hill We Climb" was absolutely incredible to listen to. I'm trying to track down a transcript now, because it was a hell of a thing to hear.

    Amanda Gorman's poem "The Hill We Climb" was absolutely incredible to listen to. I'm trying to track down a transcript now, because it was a hell of a thing to hear.

    11 votes
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      TheRtRevKaiser
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      Yeah I was blown away, the poem was fantastic and her delivery was incredible.

      Yeah I was blown away, the poem was fantastic and her delivery was incredible.

      9 votes
      1. Omnicrola
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        Re: the comment about Biden being an uninspiring speaker, contrast that with Gorman and her mention that she'd like to run for president in 2036. So we have that to look forward to maybe.

        Re: the comment about Biden being an uninspiring speaker, contrast that with Gorman and her mention that she'd like to run for president in 2036. So we have that to look forward to maybe.

        5 votes
      2. kfwyre
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        Absolutely agreed. It was wonderfully written and wonderfully spoken. What an incredible talent she is.

        Absolutely agreed. It was wonderfully written and wonderfully spoken. What an incredible talent she is.

        5 votes
  8. suspended
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    On Day 1, Biden Moves to Undo Trump’s Legacy

    On Day 1, Biden Moves to Undo Trump’s Legacy

    President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. will unleash a full-scale assault on his predecessor’s legacy on Wednesday, acting hours after taking the oath of office to sweep aside President Trump’s pandemic response, reverse his environmental agenda, tear down his anti-immigration policies, bolster the sluggish economic recovery and restore federal efforts aimed at promoting diversity.

    10 votes
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    spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Trump Fails to Ascend as God Emperor, Leaving Diehard Fans Adrift

    Trump Fails to Ascend as God Emperor, Leaving Diehard Fans Adrift

    One of the pinned tweets on a large QAnon forum reminds Q adherents that it’s important to “take care of your mental health today.”

    On InfoWars, Alex Jones—for whom the Trump era represented both a glorious rise and equally precipitous fall—seemed subdued. For commentary, he brought on Elmer Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the Oath Keepers, who appeared sitting in his car, shot from below at the most unflattering possible angle, apparently on his cellphone. “We no longer have a legitimate sitting president,” Rhodes told Jones, who nodded, grimly.

    Moments later, Jones, sounding especially hoarse, pivoted joylessly to one of his signature supplement ads. “With all these pressures, you need a high quality multivitamin,” he told his audience tonelessly.

    10 votes
    1. Omnicrola
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      Wow. This is what worries me though: Over the next few weeks and months, they're going to simmer and stew. They're going to find something new to rally around. The question is, will that something...

      “I have to say I am amazed that there's not even a single protest going on,” one TheDonald.win user wrote. “Honestly we really are the cucks in the end. Sat back and watched it all happen.”

      Wow.

      This is what worries me though:

      in the wake of a mass ejection from the major social-media sites, they are declaring they no longer believe in anything. This moment is ripe for just about anything: The dawn of new conspiracy subcultures

      Over the next few weeks and months, they're going to simmer and stew. They're going to find something new to rally around. The question is, will that something be an idea or person that attracts the majority of Trump supporters into a new force that will need to be reckoned with? Or will the various groups fracture and follow their own conspiracies, and slowly dwindle?

      If a savvy enough actor wades into that cesspool now that Trump is out of power, I fear what they can be directed into doing. Trump might be able to retain their attention for awhile if he starts the oft-rumored media company, or runs for office again. But I think he's only got a few years left.

      8 votes
  10. [3]
    spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Photo gallery from The Atlantic of the inauguration. #13 shows that Bill Clinton is apparently a mask-not-over-nose person. They ran a similar gallery yesterday showing the preparations being made...

    Photo gallery from The Atlantic of the inauguration.

    #13 shows that Bill Clinton is apparently a mask-not-over-nose person.

    They ran a similar gallery yesterday showing the preparations being made in DC.

    #16 is a pretty haunting shot. People my age and younger in the US grew up learning that "school shooting drills" were a normal part of life. This kid is growing up with a normal part of his life being wearing a mask to go outside because of a pandemic, and with large groups of uniformed military in the streets to prevent a violent insurrection.

    10 votes
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      Omnicrola
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      FYI you have a trailing / on the first link that causes a 404 #noise

      FYI you have a trailing / on the first link that causes a 404

      #noise

      5 votes
  11. cfabbro
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    Kamala Harris was escorted to the ceremony by the Capitol Police officer who led rioters away from Senate

    Kamala Harris was escorted to the ceremony by the Capitol Police officer who led rioters away from Senate

    Eugene Goodman has been hailed as a hero ever since he lured rioters away from the Senate chambers during the January 6 insurrection on Capitol Hill.

    The Capitol Police officer's courageous actions were recognized again on Wednesday when he escorted Kamala Harris to the inauguration ceremony. He was there in his new role as acting deputy Senate sergeant at arms.

    A bipartisan trio of lawmakers introduced legislation last week to award Goodman with a Congressional Gold Medal for potentially saving lives on one of the darkest days in US history.

    The medal is reserved for Americans who've made "distinguished achievements and contributions" to their country.

    9 votes
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    imperialismus
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    Listening to Biden's speech, the only thing I could think of (except "thank God he's not Trump") was, what an extraordinarily uninspiring speaker. The writing of the speech itself was fine, it...

    Listening to Biden's speech, the only thing I could think of (except "thank God he's not Trump") was, what an extraordinarily uninspiring speaker. The writing of the speech itself was fine, it said all the right things, but the delivery was exactly what I expect an old man reading off a teleprompter would produce. Slurred words and an utter lack of transmitted conviction, even if I don't doubt that he meant what he said.

    That said, being a great orator is hardly the one defining characteristic of a good leader. But it's tempting to contrast him with a guy like Obama, whose "yes we can" prompted the response "fuck yes we can!" while Biden saying the same thing would have me thinking, "but can we, though?"

    8 votes
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      TheRtRevKaiser
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      Biden has dealt with a stutter since childhood. I think that is part of why his delivery generally isn't as dynamic, and he sometimes slurs words. It's impressive to me that he can speak in public...

      Biden has dealt with a stutter since childhood. I think that is part of why his delivery generally isn't as dynamic, and he sometimes slurs words. It's impressive to me that he can speak in public as well as he does. Plus, I'm not nearly as concerned with his ability to get people excited as I am about his ability to affect real change and staff federal agencies with people who aren't actively trying to sabotage them.

      22 votes
      1. cfabbro
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        The Atlantic released an in-depth article last year about Biden's history of struggling with stuttering that is well worth reading too: What Joe Biden Can’t Bring Himself to Say - His verbal...

        The Atlantic released an in-depth article last year about Biden's history of struggling with stuttering that is well worth reading too:

        What Joe Biden Can’t Bring Himself to Say - His verbal stumbles have voters worried about his mental fitness. Maybe they’d be more understanding if they knew he’s still fighting a stutter.

        5 votes
    2. [3]
      stu2b50
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      I feel like that attitude is an endemic problem of the US electorate though, the focus on charisma and ability to look good to a crowd (although, for the life of me I can't understand how Trump...

      I feel like that attitude is an endemic problem of the US electorate though, the focus on charisma and ability to look good to a crowd (although, for the life of me I can't understand how Trump manage to seem charismatic to half of the country).

      Given the horribly janky transition the Trump administration provided, and the terrible state of the country, in both a health and economic crisis, someone who has experience in the white house is key. Biden alone among the democratic party has the best ability to run an administration from one that has actively hampered the transition.

      14 votes
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        imperialismus
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        Clearly wasn't an issue for Biden though. I don't mean to say that charisma is more important than actual politics. But let's face it: today is a day of pageantry. It's about ceremonies and...

        I feel like that attitude is an endemic problem of the US electorate though, the focus on charisma and ability to look good to a crowd

        Clearly wasn't an issue for Biden though.

        I don't mean to say that charisma is more important than actual politics. But let's face it: today is a day of pageantry. It's about ceremonies and projecting power and sending a message. As a non-American, it was all I could do not to gag at all the "God bless America". That's why I chose to comment on this today, because this is what's going on right now. The actual politics will come later, and we can pass judgment on it when we see how it shakes out.

        5 votes
        1. stu2b50
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          Isn't that that, then? I care about charisma in-as-much as it can allow a candidate to win a general election. Having won that, it's pretty whatever. Judging Presidents on the way they sound is...

          Clearly wasn't an issue for Biden though.

          Isn't that that, then? I care about charisma in-as-much as it can allow a candidate to win a general election. Having won that, it's pretty whatever. Judging Presidents on the way they sound is part of what lets Trumpism thrive - support for a President who has 1 legislative "accomplishment" for his base, and has had 60% of his EOs overturned by courts, including things like DACA which by all means he should have full power to remove if he didn't fuck up the procedure, who utterly failed to do anything really except exist when court vacancies were there by chance - because he says things the base likes.

          I don't want to perpetuate that. This inauguration was beautifully boring as fuck, as it should be.

          3 votes
    3. MimicSquid
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      See, I found it heartwarming are reassuring to the degree that I was tearing up. He's not an incredible speaker, but he means what he says and he says good things. That means a lot.

      See, I found it heartwarming are reassuring to the degree that I was tearing up. He's not an incredible speaker, but he means what he says and he says good things. That means a lot.

      8 votes
    4. mrbig
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      Biden has a stutter. I suppose a lot of his energy goes into avoiding stuttering.

      Biden has a stutter. I suppose a lot of his energy goes into avoiding stuttering.

      4 votes
  13. skybrian
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    Biden Has Already Fired Three of Trump’s Worst Appointees [...] [...]

    Biden Has Already Fired Three of Trump’s Worst Appointees

    First, Biden terminated Michael Pack, who was confirmed to head the U.S. Agency for Global Media in June. Pack sought to transform the agency, which oversees the international broadcaster Voice of America, into a propaganda outlet for Trump—despite a statutory mandate that prohibits such political interference. He purged the staff of VOA and its sister networks, replaced them with Trump loyalists, demanded pro-Trump coverage, and unconstitutionally punished remaining journalists who did actual reporting on the administration. In a perverse move, he refused to renew visas for foreign reporters who covered their home countries, subjecting them to retribution by authoritarian regimes. Pack also illegally fired the board of the Open Technology Fund, which promotes international internet freedom, and replaced them with Republican activists.

    [...]

    Second, Biden sacked Kathleen Kraninger, who was confirmed as director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau in 2018. Kraninger, who had no previous experience in consumer protection, immediately tried to undermine the agency’s role as a watchdog for the financial sector. She scrapped a landmark rule that restricted predatory payday lending, pressuring staff to downplay the resulting harm to consumers. And she refused to enforce a federal law that protected military personnel against a broad range of predatory lending. Her decision yanked federal support from military families who were defrauded by lenders. In the midst of the pandemic, Kraninger also approved a rule that allows debt collectors to harass Americans with limitless texts and emails demanding repayment.

    [...]

    Third, Biden demanded the resignation of Peter Robb, who was confirmed as the National Labor Relations Board’s general counsel in 2017. The NLRB was created to enforce federal laws that guarantee workers the right to form a union and bargain collectively. Yet Robb is vehemently anti-union; during his tenure, he tried to limit employees’ free speech, give managers more leeway to engage in wage theft, hobble unions’ ability to collect dues, and prevent employers from helping workers organize. He also tried to seize near-total control of the agency by demoting every regional director and consolidating power in his office. If successful, this gambit would’ve given him unprecedented authority to bust existing unions and prevent new ones from forming.

    8 votes
  14. cfabbro
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    A bit fluff, but I still love this: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/20/twitter-creates-secondgentleman-account-for-kamala-harris-husband.html There is still an interesting tidbit about how twitter is...

    A bit fluff, but I still love this:
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/20/twitter-creates-secondgentleman-account-for-kamala-harris-husband.html

    Twitter said it has also created a new account, @SecondGentleman, for Douglas Emhoff, Harris’ husband.

    There is still an interesting tidbit about how twitter is handling the transition in there though:

    Twitter on Wednesday confirmed that it has transitioned institutional White House accounts from the Trump administration to the Biden administration.

    The transition comes following the swearing-in of President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.

    The accounts include @WhiteHouse, @POTUS, @VP, @FLOTUS and @PressSec.

    Concurrently, the company has archived the accounts from the Trump administration. Tweets from those accounts are now publicly archived at @POTUS45, @WhiteHouse45, @VP45, @PressSec45, @FLOTUS45 and @SecondLady45.


    Edit: And out of curiosity, I decided to look up the previous Presidents too.
    https://twitter.com/POTUS44 = Archive account of Barrack Obama's Official Tweets
    https://twitter.com/POTUS43 = Floyd Pink, inactive account. Joined March 2010
    https://twitter.com/POTUS42 = Corbett smith, account hijacked by spammer? Joined May 2009
    https://twitter.com/POTUS41 = George HW Bush (not really, also a spammer). Joined March 2010
    https://twitter.com/POTUS40 = Ronald Reagan, link to blog of his speeches? Site linked to 404s, and WayBackMachine is being too flaky again to check. Joined June 2009
    https://twitter.com/POTUS39 = "A non-archive of our nation's greatest tweeter, Jimmy Carter", joke account. Joined November 2016
    https://twitter.com/POTUS38 = Account suspended. So prob spammer as well.

    You would think Twitter would have revoked the previous account names when they started this trend. :P

    6 votes
  15. [9]
    moocow1452
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    So, now that the power has been transitioned, are we winding down the daily threads for now?

    So, now that the power has been transitioned, are we winding down the daily threads for now?

    8 votes
    1. [5]
      Deimos
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      I'll leave it going until this Friday anyway, and then see how it looks. Personally, I'd like to try and reduce the amount of politics overall on the site in the near future. It's tiresome,...

      I'll leave it going until this Friday anyway, and then see how it looks.

      Personally, I'd like to try and reduce the amount of politics overall on the site in the near future. It's tiresome, exhausting, and the source of the large majority of the arguments and problems on the site in general. I don't know if I'll need to try to force that to happen or not—hopefully things will start going back to being relatively boring again.

      14 votes
      1. [2]
        spit-evil-olive-tips
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        Maybe switch it to a weekly thread? When we had the daily George Floyd protest threads in the summer, and they started tapering down, I recall there was a time period when there wasn't really...

        Maybe switch it to a weekly thread?

        When we had the daily George Floyd protest threads in the summer, and they started tapering down, I recall there was a time period when there wasn't really enough getting posted to make a daily thread feel active, but there probably was enough for a weekly thread.

        For the next month or so there will definitely be lots of small little news items that individually aren't particularly in-depth or discussion-worthy, but taken all together make for interesting content. That's when I find the weekly threads the most useful.

        7 votes
        1. nukeman
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          Yeah I think a weekly “First 100 days” thread would probably have enough activity, and would be a nice place to discuss things

          Yeah I think a weekly “First 100 days” thread would probably have enough activity, and would be a nice place to discuss things

          7 votes
      2. AnthonyB
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        So I take it there is no pardon coming for alyaza

        So I take it there is no pardon coming for alyaza

        2 votes
      3. SantalBlush
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        Midterms are right around the corner. Just saying....

        Midterms are right around the corner. Just saying....

        1 vote
    2. [2]
      cfabbro
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      IMO it's probably worth keeping them going for at least a little while longer, since there is still bound to be plenty of news coming in over the next week/s related to the Impeachment, Capitol...

      IMO it's probably worth keeping them going for at least a little while longer, since there is still bound to be plenty of news coming in over the next week/s related to the Impeachment, Capitol riots, Biden's first moves as President, etc.

      7 votes
      1. suspended
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        Typically, the first 100 days of a presidency is packed with 'big moves' from the White House.

        Typically, the first 100 days of a presidency is packed with 'big moves' from the White House.

        5 votes
    3. MonkeyPants
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      Then how would I remember to read Episode 8 from Axios? (thanks @suspended)

      Then how would I remember to read Episode 8 from Axios? (thanks @suspended)

      3 votes