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[WARNING - transphobia] Gender critical has been banned - here are some links I’ve collected

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  1. [5]
    Whom
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    Account that hasn't been active in a year comes back just to spout transphobic nonsense? Get the fuck out of here.

    Account that hasn't been active in a year comes back just to spout transphobic nonsense?

    Get the fuck out of here.

    37 votes
    1. [4]
      IAmIndeedYou
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      Studies aren’t transphobic just because they don’t favor the TRA movement. And me being inactive for a while doesn’t mean anything

      Studies aren’t transphobic just because they don’t favor the TRA movement. And me being inactive for a while doesn’t mean anything

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        1. [2]
          IAmIndeedYou
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          It’s just a bunch of links I’ve found useful, that‘ s all

          It’s just a bunch of links I’ve found useful, that‘ s all

          1. TheJorro
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            You keep saying they're useful but not what they're useful for. Especially after you've made it abundantly clear that you haven't actually read the vast majority of them. So what utility does this...

            You keep saying they're useful but not what they're useful for. Especially after you've made it abundantly clear that you haven't actually read the vast majority of them.

            So what utility does this leave except for massive baiting, or popping out a list when asked to convince people (who also won't read any of it) that you have a well-sourced position since they won't actually check out the sources to realize they're not at all what you portrayed them as?

            13 votes
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        1. Omnicrola
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          Ah thanks, I'd been trying to remember the term that describes this tactic.

          gish galloping

          Ah thanks, I'd been trying to remember the term that describes this tactic.

          3 votes
  2. [10]
    mftrhu
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    Methinks you didn't quite get what Tildes is about.

    Methinks you didn't quite get what Tildes is about.

    19 votes
    1. [9]
      IAmIndeedYou
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      Why?

      Why?

      1 vote
      1. [8]
        mftrhu
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        Guess. Incidentally, I'm not sure people on here would appreciate gross misinformation, which is what you did with, at the very least, Sweet, sweet Dhejne, 2011.

        Guess.

        Don't act like an asshole and routinely make other people's experiences—or lives—worse.

        Do not incite or encourage harm against people, including by posting hate speech or threats.

        Incidentally, I'm not sure people on here would appreciate gross misinformation, which is what you did with, at the very least,

        Long term study of trans people proving that SRS does NOT lower male criminal patterns to near female patterns and that SRS actually INCREASES risk of suicide long term. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

        Sweet, sweet Dhejne, 2011.

        15 votes
        1. [2]
          Omnicrola
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          I don't have the time or inclination to try and disprove or argue OP's glass house of distorted facts, but I looked at that article since you already called them out on it specifically. FFS, even...

          https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

          I don't have the time or inclination to try and disprove or argue OP's glass house of distorted facts, but I looked at that article since you already called them out on it specifically. FFS, even a cursory glance at that article makes it clear it had nothing to do with criminal behaviors.

          And in case OP wants to twist it around and say it proves that gender reassignment surgery is dangerous and causes suicide, it explicitly does not say that either (emphasis mine):

          Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group

          Meaning the reassignment surgery should be augmented by further therapy, not replace it.

          All that before I even looked at the links @mftrhu provided to further clarify it.

          6 votes
          1. mftrhu
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            Quick self-shill: I address most of them in the footnotes of this semi-rant I posted a week ago. I'm not sure how forgot to mention their use of salient exemplars back then - "this trans woman did...

            I don't have the time or inclination to try and disprove or argue OP's glass house of distorted facts,

            Quick self-shill: I address most of them in the footnotes of this semi-rant I posted a week ago.

            * What really gets me these days is how repetitive they get. They always:
               (1) assert that we are mentally ill, "delusional" - ignoring every single DSM from 1980 onwards - and that we need "real therapy", ignoring the effectiveness of transition and without supporting any of their claims in any way;
               (2) mis-cite Dhejne, 2011 - the "Swedish cohort study" - as proof that transition doesn't work, despite what the study itself and its author have to say;
               (3) cite Steensma, 2011 to argue against "children transitioning", ignoring all the guidelines saying that only blockers should be given 'till 14-16 (Hembree, 2009 and 2017; Cohen-Kettenis, 2011), ignoring the glaring flaws with the Steensma paper itself;
               (4) cite Blanchard, ignoring the fact that his hypothesis is not falsifiable, and often managing to misquote even him when they claim that "AGPs" should not be "allowed" to transition;
               (5) cite Littman, usually together with (3) to make an argument for the "transgender recruitment" of children, ignoring the fact that the only people she polled were from "support" forums for transphobic parents;
               (6) cite McHugh and the ACPeds, which in turn go through (1), (2), and (3);
               (7) mis-cite a 2014 Williams Institute survey, asserting that 41% of trans people kill themselves - that figure refers to lifetime attempted suicide rates - falsely asserting that "not even Jews in death camps killed themselves that often!", therefore (1).

            I'm not sure how forgot to mention their use of salient exemplars back then - "this trans woman did an awful thing, trans women as a group are dangerous" - as it constitutes at least 50% of their "arguments".

            10 votes
        2. [5]
          IAmIndeedYou
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          These are actual studies, just because they don’t favor you doesn’t make this hate speech

          These are actual studies, just because they don’t favor you doesn’t make this hate speech

          1. mftrhu
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            Real studies, imaginary conclusion. What a complex person you are!

            These are actual studies,

            Real studies, imaginary conclusion. What a complex person you are!

            7 votes
          2. [3]
            TheJorro
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            How would you know? It's clear you haven't actually read them.

            How would you know? It's clear you haven't actually read them.

            4 votes
            1. [2]
              IAmIndeedYou
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              Yes I have lol

              Yes I have lol

              1. TheJorro
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                If you had, you'd notice most of these studies aren't studies. Weird, huh?

                If you had, you'd notice most of these studies aren't studies. Weird, huh?

                4 votes
  3. [2]
    Wes
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    @Deimos
    18 votes
    1. ali
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      User is banned lol this was fast.

      User is banned lol this was fast.

      5 votes
  4. babypuncher
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    Your title complains that /r/GenderCritical was banned, then your post goes on to demonstrate perfectly why banning it was the right thing to do.

    Your title complains that /r/GenderCritical was banned, then your post goes on to demonstrate perfectly why banning it was the right thing to do.

    18 votes
  5. kfwyre
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    This will likely be gone soon, but please take a moment to consider that one of the main communities for your ideology just got banned from a major website for contributing to a culture of hatred....

    This will likely be gone soon, but please take a moment to consider that one of the main communities for your ideology just got banned from a major website for contributing to a culture of hatred. Please reflect on why. I genuinely want you to understand why the ideas you're putting forth here are hurtful and damaging.

    18 votes
  6. [5]
    NaraVara
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    Excellent demonstration of the utility of "report" and "label: malice" buttons on posts.

    Excellent demonstration of the utility of "report" and "label: malice" buttons on posts.

    17 votes
    1. mftrhu
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      Quite. I was very surprised when I went to look for them and realized that they were just not there. I suppose that the fact they are rarely necessary can be considered a testament to the culture...

      Quite. I was very surprised when I went to look for them and realized that they were just not there.

      I suppose that the fact they are rarely necessary can be considered a testament to the culture that Tildes fostered, though.

      8 votes
    2. [3]
      teaearlgraycold
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      We should have an ability to collectively delete posts. To start, the bar can be really high. 10+ accounts over a year old all requesting the post is deleted.

      We should have an ability to collectively delete posts. To start, the bar can be really high. 10+ accounts over a year old all requesting the post is deleted.

      5 votes
      1. grungegun
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        No, that would be like the reddit downvote button, but far more damaging. Instead of lack of visibility, you'd have lack of existence. If tildes gets large enough, account selling might be a thing.

        No, that would be like the reddit downvote button, but far more damaging. Instead of lack of visibility, you'd have lack of existence. If tildes gets large enough, account selling might be a thing.

        10 votes
      2. sal
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        This seems like a bad idea and the bar you propose is not remotely high.

        This seems like a bad idea and the bar you propose is not remotely high.

        7 votes
  7. [4]
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    1. mftrhu
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      I think this is only the second time in almost two years that I saw an actual out-and-out transphobic post - and that got swiftly deleted, too - which is much better than pretty much any other...

      I'm disappointed in you, and in this site.

      I think this is only the second time in almost two years that I saw an actual out-and-out transphobic post - and that got swiftly deleted, too - which is much better than pretty much any other online space I know of.

      Edit: incidentally, this comment of mine from a week ago has a counter to every one of these talking points, in its footnotes.

      17 votes
    2. [2]
      skybrian
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      I'm predicting the whole topic gets deleted soon.

      I'm predicting the whole topic gets deleted soon.

      6 votes
      1. Whom
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        It will be whenever Deimos sees it. Hopefully it won't be long.

        It will be whenever Deimos sees it. Hopefully it won't be long.

        6 votes
  8. [2]
    Qis
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    !!! What prompted you to post all this here? Did gendercritical not find a new home elsewhere? This is like a one man band giving a private living room performance...

    !!! What prompted you to post all this here? Did gendercritical not find a new home elsewhere? This is like a one man band giving a private living room performance...

    12 votes
    1. teaearlgraycold
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      Since this thread is getting deleted anyway: Nice

      Since this thread is getting deleted anyway:

      Nice

      8 votes
  9. Thunder-ten-tronckh
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    OP, there are many communities you can take this kind of stuff to, where people who think like you will echo your sentiments and give you the support you're probably looking for. But I would...

    OP, there are many communities you can take this kind of stuff to, where people who think like you will echo your sentiments and give you the support you're probably looking for.

    But I would encourage you to think of this website as a place that isn't bogged down by hyperfocusing on identity politics or a specific political agenda. Discussion comes out of thoughtful respect, not out of a false dichotomy of Group X vs. Group Y (XX vs XY in this case, sorry had to).

    I think participating in Tildes with that mindset could be beneficial for you. Think of it as a small reprieve from an echo chamber, no matter how much you agree with that echo chamber. This isn't to make a value judgement about what you're posting, but instead to point out that the form of discourse you're engaging in just isn't for this website.

    11 votes
  10. [4]
    stu2b50
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    If a predator really wanted to enter a "feminine" space, surely they could just claim to be a well transitioned FtM who by law in some of these states has to go to the female bathroom. If you want...

    If a predator really wanted to enter a "feminine" space, surely they could just claim to be a well transitioned FtM who by law in some of these states has to go to the female bathroom.

    If you want to enter a female bathroom to perform sexual assault, I really don't think anything is stopping you, certainly not the sign above the door.

    Though I wonder why I'm responding, this is probably trolling.

    10 votes
    1. [2]
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      1. Whom
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        And in the process it shits up our website. It'd be one thing if it were just pointless, but it's a pointless exercise which makes the experience of being here infinitely worse.

        And in the process it shits up our website. It'd be one thing if it were just pointless, but it's a pointless exercise which makes the experience of being here infinitely worse.

        8 votes
    2. [2]
      LukeZaz
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      I posted this on the unofficial Tildes Discord and thought you might want to see it. While your post might not convince OP of anything, I thought you might be happy to know it at least did help...

      I posted this on the unofficial Tildes Discord and thought you might want to see it.

      Context: my parents are both republicans, my dad dogmatically so. They don't hate gay or trans people, but they still accept a number of harmful opinions about them. So naturally I used to have these opinions too, because I was a kid.

      One of the ones that I (apparently) never addressed was the idea that "allowing trans people into <gender here> bathroom will mean sexual predators will use that as an excuse!"
      [Your] comment made me think about that critically and realize the horseshit it was.

      While your post might not convince OP of anything, I thought you might be happy to know it at least did help someone else realize their stupidity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      6 votes
      1. stu2b50
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        Well, that's a pleasant surprise. When I went to university our dorms and many of the buildings had all gender neutral bathrooms, even including showers (everything was a stall with full length...

        Well, that's a pleasant surprise. When I went to university our dorms and many of the buildings had all gender neutral bathrooms, even including showers (everything was a stall with full length walls FYI) . That experience really made me realize how stupid the bathroom issue is. There was literally never an issue. No one cared. If anything people universally appreciated higher walls in the gender neutral bathrooms.

        All the sexual assaults were at frats, not the bathrooms.

        7 votes
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    1. [4]
      IAmIndeedYou
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      This is just (as stated) links I’ve found useful. I’ve not stated that these are about trans women not counting. But some are about why women should have their own space, but not everyone.

      This is just (as stated) links I’ve found useful. I’ve not stated that these are about trans women not counting. But some are about why women should have their own space, but not everyone.

      1 vote
      1. [4]
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        1. [3]
          IAmIndeedYou
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          But not every link is about that* I’m saying bio males should not have access to women’s spaces, which the TRA movement doesn’t agree with.

          But not every link is about that*

          I’m saying bio males should not have access to women’s spaces, which the TRA movement doesn’t agree with.

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            1. [2]
              IAmIndeedYou
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              Me not being a native English speaker doesn’t seem to much of an issue as you understand what I’m saying

              Me not being a native English speaker doesn’t seem to much of an issue as you understand what I’m saying

              1. TheJorro
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                It's not your spelling or grammar, it's your dodging questions that's the problem. You haven't once addressed anyone's questions or comments in detail here.

                It's not your spelling or grammar, it's your dodging questions that's the problem.

                You haven't once addressed anyone's questions or comments in detail here.

                7 votes
  12. teaearlgraycold
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    No one is going to reason you out of this one. I’ll just tell you no one on this site wants this post here. It will be deleted. You will be banned.

    No one is going to reason you out of this one. I’ll just tell you no one on this site wants this post here. It will be deleted. You will be banned.

    9 votes
  13. mrbig
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    Tildes welcomes transgender. This hateful misinformation is not welcomed here.

    Tildes welcomes transgender. This hateful misinformation is not welcomed here.

    9 votes
  14. ohyran
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    I've read the links so others don't have to. TL;DR - a bit of conspiracy theory about bad men taking womens spaces by having surgery to change their gender (we dudes really are putting our back in...

    I've read the links so others don't have to.

    TL;DR - a bit of conspiracy theory about bad men taking womens spaces by having surgery to change their gender (we dudes really are putting our back in when it comes to stealing womens places it seems, you gotta give us that), then a bit of "oh my god they are using violent language!" pearl-clutching, then some random references to different-species-feminism from the 70's and then slapping some cherry picked bits on top.

    You're welcome.

    9 votes
  15. [4]
    burkaman
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    What is the actual problem that you think needs to be solved? I'm looking through these links, and I don't understand what argument they could be promoting other than "trans people shouldn't...

    What is the actual problem that you think needs to be solved? I'm looking through these links, and I don't understand what argument they could be promoting other than "trans people shouldn't exist". You claim to be fine with the existence of trans people, so I don't understand what issue you want to be addressed. I guess there was an unfair boxing matchup or something, is it more than that?

    If you believe trans people deserve the same human rights as everyone else, then what is the issue?

    8 votes
    1. [3]
      IAmIndeedYou
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      I just wanted to share some links I’ve found useful. My only issue is that human rights are not the same as women’s rights, and I don’t think biological males should use women’s changing rooms or...

      I just wanted to share some links I’ve found useful. My only issue is that human rights are not the same as women’s rights, and I don’t think biological males should use women’s changing rooms or compete in women’s sports.

      1. burkaman
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        Useful for what? I'm just trying to figure out what action you want taken. Is it seriously just about bathrooms and sports matchups? Those feel like relatively minor problems compared to the...

        Useful for what? I'm just trying to figure out what action you want taken. Is it seriously just about bathrooms and sports matchups? Those feel like relatively minor problems compared to the intensity of the rhetoric in the stuff you posted.

        8 votes
      2. intuxikated
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        But your title was "Gender critical has been banned". What were you trying to accomplish by posting these links? Were you trying to brainwash us?

        But your title was "Gender critical has been banned". What were you trying to accomplish by posting these links? Were you trying to brainwash us?

        6 votes
  16. moonbathers
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    I don't think I should even respond to this, but I'm going to anyway. What does being a woman involve that trans women don't have? If you narrow it down to any part of female reproduction, you're...

    I don't think I should even respond to this, but I'm going to anyway. What does being a woman involve that trans women don't have? If you narrow it down to any part of female reproduction, you're excluding cis women who for whatever reason can't menstruate or get pregnant. If you narrow it down to being perceived as a woman by society, you're excluding masculine-presenting women and still including plenty of trans women. And where do trans men fit into this? Do you see them as men or women?

    7 votes
  17. jgb
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    Simply dumping an ill-formatted list of random links to support a given position is not constructive dialogue and is not a good fit for Tildes.

    Simply dumping an ill-formatted list of random links to support a given position is not constructive dialogue and is not a good fit for Tildes.

    7 votes
  18. [2]
    vektor
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    If I may, before Deimos inevitably nukes this thread: Why did you think coming to tildes, a community that prides itself for being very intolerant of intolerance, was a good idea, considering the...

    If I may, before Deimos inevitably nukes this thread: Why did you think coming to tildes, a community that prides itself for being very intolerant of intolerance, was a good idea, considering the previous community you used for this was banned from the "bastion of free speech" for being too hateful?

    7 votes
    1. Whom
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      Probably because even if they get shit on (like they did), we're not totally prepared to deal with stuff like this all times of day. If Deimos isn't here, the best we can do are stick on TWs or...

      Probably because even if they get shit on (like they did), we're not totally prepared to deal with stuff like this all times of day. If Deimos isn't here, the best we can do are stick on TWs or maybe move to ~test or change the title.

      So they get an hour+ of exposure, sadly. This isn't yet at the point of being like a real problem, but it's clear that it is a vulnerability right now.

      11 votes
  19. unknown user
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    What concerns me is that this got votes.

    What concerns me is that this got votes.

    7 votes
  20. [10]
    viridian
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    The abstract of https://jeb.biologists.org/content/223/2/jeb212365 reads to me like no one involved in writing or proofreading it has any sort of experience with striking arts, and seems like a...

    The abstract of https://jeb.biologists.org/content/223/2/jeb212365 reads to me like no one involved in writing or proofreading it has any sort of experience with striking arts, and seems like a case of trying to draw a very specific conclusion from a generally present trait. It's really also worth noting that striking only arts are a relatively modern invention, and even in China only date back 2500 or so years, which is no more than a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms.

    Men are more well suited to intimate contact in general by a large margin, but the ability to throw a punch is probably a side effect rather than a selection factor. If it were a selection factor you would expect a modern human be able to throw an efficient punch with the same efficiency one uses a spear, but this simply isn't the case. There are world class fighters, male and female, who can't throw a decent punch to save their life.

    4 votes
    1. [9]
      mftrhu
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      But more importantly, did anyone control for hormone levels? Using it to "prove" that trans women in sports are a danger to cis women is a typical motte-and-bailey: they assert that sexual...

      The abstract of https://jeb.biologists.org/content/223/2/jeb212365 reads to me like no one involved in writing or proofreading it has any sort of experience with striking arts

      But more importantly, did anyone control for hormone levels?

      Using it to "prove" that trans women in sports are a danger to cis women is a typical motte-and-bailey: they assert that sexual dimorphism exists in humans (obvious, easily defended), but their actual claim is about a different population (trans people, who are required to be on HRT for years before participating in most sports).

      4 votes
      1. [8]
        viridian
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        Sexual dimorphism comes down to far more than just testosterone and estrogen though. The impact on reaction time and cross-sectional thickness of bone mass in most sports, but particularly combat...

        Sexual dimorphism comes down to far more than just testosterone and estrogen though. The impact on reaction time and cross-sectional thickness of bone mass in most sports, but particularly combat sports can not be overstated. I don't think trans woman should be competing against biological females if the platforms are otherwise segregated, for a myriad of very physical reasons. I'm not in a position to be particularly effected by it, because most trans-men at my comp level and weight class aren't an equivalent threat, even juiced up, but I understand why biological females don't want to have to compete against someone who walks on to the mat with a bunch of inborn advantages.

        2 votes
        1. [6]
          mftrhu
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          Again, motte-and-bailey. Did anyone actually study this, or are you just "this-makes-sense"-ing your way to that conclusion based on "sexual dimorphism exists"?

          Again, motte-and-bailey. Did anyone actually study this, or are you just "this-makes-sense"-ing your way to that conclusion based on "sexual dimorphism exists"?

          2 votes
          1. [5]
            viridian
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            Perhaps I don't understand, what are you claiming is the motte, and what is the bailey in this case?

            Perhaps I don't understand, what are you claiming is the motte, and what is the bailey in this case?

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              mftrhu
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              It's the same one. Motte: Sexual dimorphism exists, thus making competition between the average man and the average woman unfair Bailey: Competition between the average trans woman on HRT, and the...

              It's the same one.

              Motte: Sexual dimorphism exists, thus making competition between the average man and the average woman unfair

              Bailey: Competition between the average trans woman on HRT, and the average cis woman, is unfair

              3 votes
              1. [3]
                viridian
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                Is the claim that HRT affects height, bone cross sectional thickness, and reaction time? Those seem to be pretty extreme claims to me. I know test increases bone mass significantly, but not the...

                Is the claim that HRT affects height, bone cross sectional thickness, and reaction time? Those seem to be pretty extreme claims to me. I know test increases bone mass significantly, but not the actual thickness of the bone, and both are very important when you are trying to swap licks to the face, and generate an unfair advantage. I understand the difficulty of the situation for trans folks, because I do think that both trans-men and trans-women find themselves in an awkward position where they are outperformed by genetic males, non transitioning, and also outperform genetic females, non transitioning, but I don't think a reasonable solution is having trans men be a total non factor in their sports, and having trans women be highly dominant.

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                  1. viridian
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                    Maybe, but people aren't competing against idealized transitions, they are competing against people who often transitioned at 22-28, in many cases while having additional accretion from being on a...

                    Maybe, but people aren't competing against idealized transitions, they are competing against people who often transitioned at 22-28, in many cases while having additional accretion from being on a tren/dbol/etc cycle before transitioning.

                    1 vote
                2. mftrhu
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                  No. I'm, in fact, asking you what you are basing your conclusion on. As I already asked earlier, do you actually know that the performance of the average trans woman - who, again, are required to...

                  Is the claim that HRT affects height, bone cross sectional thickness, and reaction time? Those seem to be pretty extreme claims to me.

                  No. I'm, in fact, asking you what you are basing your conclusion on.

                  As I already asked earlier, do you actually know that the performance of the average trans woman - who, again, are required to be on HRT for years to participate to most sports - is superior to that of the average cis woman to such an extent to give the former an unfair advantage?

                  Do you actually have any data, or

                  are you just "this-makes-sense"-ing your way to that conclusion based on "sexual dimorphism exists"?

                  3 votes
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    1. TheJorro
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      Just great timing on your part. This is the only time something like this has been posted and up for so long in a long, long, long time.

      Just great timing on your part. This is the only time something like this has been posted and up for so long in a long, long, long time.

      13 votes
    2. moonbathers
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      I would guess it's people coming over / remembering Tildes exists after a bunch of Reddit subs got banned yesterday.

      I would guess it's people coming over / remembering Tildes exists after a bunch of Reddit subs got banned yesterday.

      11 votes
    3. [2]
      Whom
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      I've noticed some more questionable posts recently, too, but this is hardly representative. This would've been gone in an instant if Deimos were here, and basically no one here is having it.

      I've noticed some more questionable posts recently, too, but this is hardly representative. This would've been gone in an instant if Deimos were here, and basically no one here is having it.

      10 votes
      1. Omnicrola
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        I was just thinking of how proud I am of the responses so far. Also, there's an avalanche of them all condemning a post that's less than an hour old, when on average the posts here get a comment...

        I was just thinking of how proud I am of the responses so far. Also, there's an avalanche of them all condemning a post that's less than an hour old, when on average the posts here get a comment at a fairly slow pace. I think that says more about the community than the fact that this idiot managed to post this garbage in the first place.

        8 votes
    4. stu2b50
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      All over the place? What else apart from this fits that category?

      All over the place? What else apart from this fits that category?

      6 votes
    5. mftrhu
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      Only one TER so far, at least, but I'm not sure I can disagree with "unusually right slanted opinions". It's something I also felt, but I think it's just because it's getting bigger.

      Only one TER so far, at least, but I'm not sure I can disagree with "unusually right slanted opinions". It's something I also felt, but I think it's just because it's getting bigger.

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