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10 votes
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Netflix ditches deal for Warner Bros. Discovery after Paramount’s offer is deemed superior
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Hot take: movies suck because there is no rental market
I've been on an interesting train of thought these past few days. I came across some criticism of a random old movie and I started thinking that the reason why I actually hate most modern movies...
I've been on an interesting train of thought these past few days. I came across some criticism of a random old movie and I started thinking that the reason why I actually hate most modern movies is because they are all cowardly avoiding having any possible political interpretation for anything that happens in them. I've experienced movies that when the big fight scene starts, I'm falling asleep because I'm just so negatively invested in the characters or what will happen to them. That made me think about why so many boring, bland movies and shows keep being made, and it made me think of an opinion that the biggest reason why studios keep betting on blockbusters that are as boring as possible is that they are dependent on theatrical box office takings because streaming killed post-release revenue streams such as movie purchases.
I think that the reason for this is at least partially a symptom of the death of desire for physical media itself. Why deal with the inconvenience of physical media when you can just press a button and the movie starts playing? But at the same time I don't think this is entirely the fault of streaming services, but the fault of movie companies attempting to exert too much control over how people access their films.
I won't bore you with explanations of the limitations of streaming services. We've all been there, surely. They don't have what we want, the stuff we do want to see is spread out on a hundred different subscriptions, yada yada yada. So why do we not deal with them piecemeal? That answer comes with good news and bad news. Good news: you can! You can both buy and rent most movies that have ever been made. Bad news: it's an absolutely terrible deal if you do.
Right now there's at least three major services that allow you to buy digital movies: YouTube, Apple TV / iTunes Movies, and Prime Video. There's also the vestiges of the industry's "digital movies" initiative called Fandango at Home, previously Vudu - the one where you'd use a code you got with a DVD that said it included a digital copy. The problem with all of these services is obvious: if you buy a movie from them, you don't actually own it. They can and will take away access from you at any time for any reason they see fit.
There's an obvious solution to this: rental. It doesn't matter if they de-list a rental because you never had the illusion of ownership to begin with. But that has it's own problem: it's way too fucking expensive.
To put things into perspective, Blockbuster, before it closed down, would let you rent new releases for between $3-5 for a 1-2 day rental, while older movies could be between $1-3. Granted, this was before a lot of inflation, but those rentals also had the costs of running a store in expensive commercial real estate as well as the people who had to manage it, the cost of purchasing the media - sometimes at retail prices - and the cost of maintaining them (rewinding cassettes, cleaning and resurfacing discs, and replacing worn media).
Lets compare the cost of renting on Prime Video today.
Dicks the Musical is a somewhat niche movie unavailable to watch on streaming sites that came out more than two years ago, and the current price to rent it is $4.99. Five bucks. I should mention this is for a movie that I already watched on Hoopla via my library card for free.
Batman Returns is a blockbuster from 1992 and is available for $3.99. Four bucks. You get a one dollar discount if you want to watch something 30 years old. Fantastic.
The category that will really open your eyes is new movies. Zootopia 2 just became available for digital purchase, with no physical editions, and is not yet available on Disney+. If you want to purchase the film, it costs $29.99. Rental is $24.99. Frankly I cannot imagine a world in which the number of people who would pay for that rental exceeds the number of people who opted to pirate but would have paid if the price was at least half that.
If you forget that the major studios own their own streaming services, then this math really doesn't work out. Surely they are getting more money per stream through purchase and rental than they are with the fractional payment they would get from licensing it.
But of course you have to remember that they do own their own streaming services - it's part of why everyone's complaining after all. The major producers, by discouraging short term rentals and pushing streaming services (note that Prime Video will try to sell you one of those subscriptions if the title is available on one), they are attempting to move from producers of cultural products to yet another industry of rent seekers.
55 votes -
Matt Damon says Netflix wants movies to restate the 'plot three or four times in the dialogue' because viewers are on 'their phones while they're watching'
48 votes -
The "why does this movie exist" scene
Hello, I just rewatched the final boss fight of the spectacularly amazing 2010 movie Kickass, and I remembered something I've been meaning to float by movie-knowers... As I see it, this boss fight...
Hello,
I just rewatched the final boss fight of the spectacularly amazing 2010 movie Kickass, and I remembered something I've been meaning to float by movie-knowers...
As I see it, this boss fight is the reason this movie exists. The way I picture how "hollywood"-movies are made is that there is a writers room or producers meeting where nothing happens until someone brings out the weed, schrooms and/or coke which lets real brainstorming take place. And suddenly BAM! You have a single amazing thing happen: the Event.
Once that is settled they work backwards to building a believable story that leads up to that event.
The Event for Kickass is having a grown man beat the pulp out of a young girl without anyone really noticing or making a big deal out if it.
This creates some constraints (remember its 2008/9 at the time of writing), for example:
- the girl can not be seen as a helpless victim.
- the man can't win in the end.
- the beating must be reasonably justified within the story and not just pure sadism/misogyny.
- the beating must look very unrealistic.
From those premises they created a a scenario that would make it possible and wrote out a whole film.
I often find myself having an A-ha!-moment when I find the Event in movies, it's one of the reasons I watch them.
This is in my view one of the biggest reason why sequels are bad: the Event has already been had in the first movie so there isn't really anything of value left to the story.
I'm up for talking about things like:
- how far away I am from the real method of making films
- what defining Events you see in this or other movies
- how and why sequels in general or particular are good/bad
- who went as Kick-Ass or Hit-Girl for Halloween
- ....
27 votes -
2025 moviegoer attendance hits 780M, -5% from ’24; majority went to cinemas during pics’ first thirty days of release
16 votes -
Oscars shock: YouTube wins TV rights to host Academy Awards from 2029
24 votes -
Netflix to acquire Warner Bros. studio and streaming business for $72 billion
42 votes -
Netflix wins bidding war, starts talks with Warner Bros. Discovery
29 votes -
What even is a ‘box office flop’ anymore?
15 votes -
Warner Bros. auction poised to recast Hollywood with Paramount, Comcast and Netflix vying for the prize
13 votes -
Twenty-five movies, many stars, zero hits: Hollywood falls to new lows
26 votes -
Netflix’s opposition to movie theaters cracks as pressure mounts from exhibitors and talent
11 votes -
Inside David Ellison’s dramatic first 100 days at Paramount: courting Tom Cruise blockbusters, forging ties with Donald Trump and daring anyone else to buy Warner Bros. Discovery
6 votes -
Warner Bros. Discovery has received interest from multiple parties for all or part of company
23 votes -
Paramount considering a hostile takeover of Warner Bros. Discovery
26 votes -
After years in the shadows, Norway has finally found its place in the international spotlight with a number of distinctive, relationship-centred and critically acclaimed films and television shows
6 votes -
Technicolor's last frame: the collapse and liquidation of a Hollywood legend
24 votes -
Paramount Skydance prepares Ellison-backed bid for Warner Bros. Discovery
11 votes -
Bland, easy to follow, for fans of everything: what has the Netflix algorithm done to our films?
24 votes -
US Federal Communications Commission approves Paramount-Skydance merger following protracted political tug-of-war
15 votes -
Legendary is mulling acquisition of Lionsgate Studios
8 votes -
Studios decry cinemas’ ad-filled preshows as AMC warns of “25-30 extra minutes”: Here are the consequences for movie biz
35 votes -
The reason movie trailers give so much away: "a necessary evil"
17 votes -
Inside ‘Elio’s’ “catastrophic” path: America Ferrera’s exit, director change and erasure of queer themes
14 votes -
Most US exhibition execs think traditional moviegoing has less than twenty years as ‘viable business model,’ according to new survey
30 votes -
Curated realities: An AI film festival and the future of human expression
3 votes -
Everyone in Hollywood is already using AI (and hiding it)
29 votes -
‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre’ bidding war begins – Taylor Sheridan, Neon and Jordan Peele’s Monkeypaw Productions among names in the mix
8 votes -
Hollywood has left Los Angeles. For years, studios found it cheaper to shoot elsewhere. Post-industry-collapse, elsewhere is the only place they’ll shoot.
16 votes -
“No CGI” is really just invisible CGI (5/5)
15 votes -
Jerry Lewis' lost 1972 comedy film on Nazism discovered in Sweden
13 votes -
Paramount offers millions to US President Donald Trump to end $20B ‘60 Minutes’ suit and let Skydance merger go through
16 votes -
Dogma 25: Group of Scandi filmmakers launching refreshed manifesto
9 votes -
Marvel and Disney VFX workers ratify first union contract
35 votes -
How Once Upon a Time … in Hollywood discovered a new generation of stars
11 votes -
The icy glamour of Greta Garbo's doomed heroines is genuinely iconic – over a century after her first appearance, here's why Hollywood missed her so badly
4 votes -
Oscars finally give stunts their day, will add category beginning in 2027
40 votes -
Amazon’s new movie strategy starts with theaters
4 votes -
Mike De Luca and Pam Abdy under fire at Warner Bros. amid box office flops: ‘We didn’t want to fail’ David Zaslav
9 votes -
Hollywood’s IP dilemma | Whether it’s “Novocaine,” “Mickey 17” or the “Oceans” director’s latest, audiences are slow to show up for original films
26 votes -
Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion is disappearing in Hollywood. Was it ever really here?
9 votes -
Oscar-nominated and broke: Two directors nominated for Academy Awards shine a light on the worsening economics of indie film
19 votes -
‘Captain America: Brave New World’ insiders say ‘everyone knew this is probably not going to be a good film’
36 votes -
Steven Spielberg says he fought to stop E.T. sequel from being made - 'didn't have many rights'
15 votes -
Covid was supposed to kill cinema – but did lockdown and gen Z save cinephilia?
18 votes -
Disney recaptured its dominance in 2024 as family films and sequels ruled the US box office
8 votes -
Making a fake movie to understand Hollywood’s shady accounting
5 votes -
Reel Injun | Native Americans portrayal in Hollywood
11 votes -
Studio slump: Lionsgate’s last six films have all been box office busts
17 votes