Tildes Book Club: Roadside Picnic, by Arkady and Boris Strugatsky
Several users expressed interest in reading Roadside Picnic after I recommended it in another (now deleted) topic about the movie it inspired, Stalker by Andrei Tarkovsky, which in turn inspired the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. videogame series. So I thought this would be the ideal opportunity to create a Pop-up Book Club event about it to encourage others to join us in reading it, so that we can all discuss it afterwards.
My description of the book from a previous comment that enticed the others to read it:
The basic premise was really unique and interesting, too. Without giving too much away, it's a story of Alien "invasion" only when the Aliens visited Earth, instead of doing any of the standard scifi trope stuff, the event was basically like that of a Roadside Picnic to them. That is to say, they showed up, barely noticed the humans who were tantamount to ants to them, did whatever Alien travelers with incomprehensibly advanced technology do when taking a quick pitstop on another world, and left a bunch of trash behind when they left. The story is about "stalkers" that venture into the exceptionally dangerous wasteland left behind by the Aliens in order to recover their trash (also usually exceptionally dangerous, but also exceptionally powerful) in order to sell it on the black market.
IMO, it's a very good classic scifi novel, and also a relatively short one too (only 224 pages) which makes it ideal summer reading, and ideal for this sort of thing since it’s not a huge commitment. I think this could be fun, so if you feel like joining in, please feel free to. I will also be rereading the book to refresh my memory of it, and roughly a month from now I will make a follow-up topic so we can have the discussion.
The book is available on paperback at Amazon for $15, or on Kindle for $10, but your own local retailer or library might also have a copy. The Strugatsky brothers are both long dead though, so you can always pirate it relatively guilt free if you can't find it elsewhere.
p.s. If there is a decent level of interest, and this goes well, maybe we can even make this a regular thing. :)
Edit: For all the latecomers, don't worry if you don't read the book in time for the Discussion topic. You can always join in once you finish. Tildes Activity sort, and "Collapse old comments" feature should keep the topic going for as long as people are still replying.
Let me know if you're interested by leaving a comment and I will ping you when the Discussion topic gets posted.
cc: @NoblePath, @Wes, @Mulligan
And anyone else who is interested in participating, or even just reading the discussion about it afterwards, let me know here and I can ping you when I make the follow-up post.
I'm in!
Also I'm so excited to see a pop-up event from someone besides myself!
Glad to hear! And yeah you were definitely who inspired this idea. :) I’m not as creative as you in coming up with self posts and events, but this felt like too good of an opportunity to pass up.
I finished playing through the 3 original S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games (and had some fun in Anomaly too) a month ago so I may as well check out the original source too. Count me in. :D
The timing of this is starting to feel rather serendipitous. :)
That sounds awesome, thanks for the ping. I'm on an estimated two week wait at OverDrive, so I might need to circle back once I've given it a read, but I'm looking forward to sharing in the discussion.
I'll hold off on reading anything online until I've been able to collect my own thoughts.
edit: Phew, finally got the book in. I'll begin it shortly!
YVW. :) And yeah, since several people mentioned putting a hold on the book at their library, I figured I should give it a bit of time before I created the discussion topic about it. Do you think a month is not long enough though? If so, I can always delay it a bit longer. Although Tildes topic bump mechanics, the activity sort, and me sending out pings should hopefully help with extending the participation, regardless of when the discussion topic initially gets posted.
I think a month is long enough, if not slightly too much. It's good to be considerate to people's time, but we also don't want to create too much distance from this original discussion. As you said the book is on the shorter side (224 pages, or 7 hours for the audio), so once people get it, I think it won't take too long to finish.
Mostly it's just a question of wait times. I have one person in front of me, but there's always the chance they return it early. May need to hear from the other readers to see what their wait times look like, but I'd say three weeks sounds about right.
Okay, I'll stick to the month for now. But afterwards, if we do this again I will take more feedback on the timing of things.
May I ask what would be the format of the follow-up topic? Since people are likely going to finish at different paces, some may want to note down their thoughts first while it's fresh. Knowing ahead of time what they'd need to address when the new thread is open can be helpful for preparing the draft.
I was basically just going to open the floor for discussion, of whatever variety people felt like starting up and contributing to. But after I reread the book myself (which I just started this morning) I can come up with a few specific questions to help kick things off, if you think it would help. I’ve never actually ran or even participated in a book club before, so I’m totally open to suggestions on how best to run one.
I likes to get pinged ;). This book is next on my list, I’m still working through the dark forest now.
Roadside Picnic has been on my TBR for quite a while now, this seems like a good reason to start now.
Just popping in to say I'd be interested as well. Would be great if this could be the start of something regular :)
I'd like to sign up please
I'm quite late to this, after thinking about it I'm interested. So please ping me when you do the discussion post. Thank you!
Will do. :)
Please do!
I'm interested.
Count me in, I did read the book about a year ago though but I am interested in the discussion.
I'm in too.
Love the idea of a book club. Count me in!
Counted! :P
I'm in too! Thank you for organizing this :)
YVW, and welcome aboard. :)
Just put the book on hold at my library. Please ping me! Hopefully I'll have it read in time.
Welcome aboard! :) And even if you don't read it before I post the Discussion topic, you can always join in whenever you finish. Tildes Activity sort, and "Collapse old comments" feature should keep the topic going for as long as people are still replying.
Sign me up, too! This sounds like a fun idea!
👍 :)
I'm in! My husband and I were watching a TV show, Debris, based on this too. Too bad it was canceled.
Awesome. Welcome aboard! Let your hubby know they're free to join us too. :)
And I had never heard of that show before. So I'm going to have to check that out now!
p.s. There is still a week before I post the Discussion topic, but don't worry if you don't read the book in time. You can always join in once you finish. Tildes Activity sort, and "Collapse old comments" feature should keep the topic going for as long as people are still replying.
It’s looking like there’s a lot of interest in this, which is really exciting! I’m looking forward to the discussion thread.
On that note: are you planning on continuing the book club? Also, if so, what are you thinking about in terms of how the club chooses books?
I was going to see how this one turns out first before deciding whether to continue or not. But unless something goes catastrophically wrong, I think I will likely be continuing it so long as there is still interest.
As for how the book club chooses the next book, I'm not entirely sure. But I think this comment of mine below sums up my general feelings on it:
But I have never ran, or even participated in, a book club before. So if you or anyone else has any suggestion for how best to run it, or how best to pick the next book, I am all ears!
Maybe a rollcall style post that can be used to poll a book. Episode 0 if you will. People use a top level comment to suggest a book and after a designated time, the most voted comments' book is picked.
People can use their comment to pitch their choice/give a small blurb, etc.
TBH, I'm not a big fan of "most votes" in a comment thread to pick the next book. It gives way too much of an advantage to the users who suggest things first. And the popularity of a book is likely going to be a significant factor in voting, even if that's not the "best" book to choose for the book club, especially if people who aren't actually interested in participating decide to vote too. So I think the best way to handle this might be with a rollcall combined with asking for suggestions (that fit the criteria I mentioned above?), but then using an external polling site, and PMing the link to the poll to everyone in the rollcall thread who made a comment suggesting books, or expressing interest in participating. Thoughts on that?
cc: @kfwyre
I agree. If we did do book voting on Tildes rather than through a third-party site, I feel like we would need to separate the suggestions from the voting, so that the poll could be posted with all books at the same time. That still doesn't stop the vote from being influenced by non-participants though, so your option seems better. I do love the idea of having a fully on-site solution though, but I'm genuinely not sure how to best go about that.
Part of me thinks that just having a clear decision without a vote (like you did with Roadside Picnic) is actually better because we avoid all the friction of attempting to make a collective decision, but then I could also see that putting people off.
We could also follow a booklist (e.g. this one) based around a specific theme, which lets people know the lane that we're in (in the case of that list, sci-fi) and would make picking the next book not based on one person's decision.
Ultimately, I'm open to anything and would happily support any format. Having a deadline encourages me to read, so no matter what we choose I'll end up reading more than I would if we did this without any sort of structure.
Hmmm... thinking about ways we could potentially do this totally on Tildes, and still keep it fair + democratic. I could ask for suggestions in the rollcall, but then not use those votes to pick the book. Instead, once all the suggestions are in, I could have everyone who is interested in participating reply to a new comment of mine (or topic) with a ranked-choice vote for which of the suggestions they want to read next. This would keep it a bit more fair, and also hopefully encourage only the users genuinely interested in participating to cast their votes. That could all get pretty complicated though.
I will have to think on it some more. But I'm still open to new suggestions, so if you have any more thoughts on the matter keep them coming please (and that goes for everyone). :)
Hey! I was just looking to see if this topic had been broached, because I'm looking forward to another book after reading Roadside Picnic. I looked to see how r/bookclub chooses their books and it does appear they use approximate vote totals (with some discretion from the moderators, I'm guessing). I feel like it's almost more important to ask for volunteers to lead the threads, so that you don't have to make them every time.
Yeah, I've been so busy this last few months that I haven't even attempted to start a new book club event. So if anyone else wants to give it a shot they are more than welcome to, since I probably won't be able to organize one again until the Fall. :(
I would be interested in trying. I think it may be useful to set things up so that you know some books in advance to give people time to obtain them. It might be helpful to also pin some of the posts to the sidebar so that people can see which books are currently going (and then maybe have a wiki page to contain the really old ones). I hope you don't mind if I go ahead?
I can't actually edit the group sidebars. I can create wiki entries though, so I can create one for the book club if it continues. And if it continues, Deimos can also probably manually add the latest one to the sidebar for us too, like gets done for the other recurring topics.
I don't mind at all! Please, go right ahead. And I will even try my best to join in too. :)
It sounds like a better, more refined solution than my own.
It's a great suggestion for a book club book! I won't comment further here, but will pop back in a month.
I got it last night through Libby. Great start so far. Looking forward to continuing.
Yeah, Libby or hoopla are probably the best place for people to get their hands on it, if they live in North America and have a library card. That's where I get most of my ebooks (and graphic novels) these days too.
p.s. I recently discovered you can read Libby books on your kindle device if you live in the US. That feature is unfortunately not available in Canada yet though. :(
I'm in! I have a copy of Roadside Picnic on my shelf and would love to be part of a book club discussion on it!
Awesome. You and anyone else that is interested in joining us are more than welcome!
There are still ~2 weeks until I post the discussion topic so there should still be plenty of time to read the book. But it should be noted that nobody is actually obligated to finish reading it by then. With the Activity sort and "Collapse old comments" feature, people can simply join in on the discussion whenever they're finally done, and it can continue for as long as people are still interested in commenting and replying. :)
I've never been part of any sort of book club but it sounds like fun. When I saw the thread I thought I was probably too late, so it's great to hear I'll have time after all!
Never even heard of the book but it sounds interesting so I shall give it a try, thank you.
YVW! And welcome aboard. :)
I was going to leave a similar comment to yours, but the movie thread got taken down before I got around to it. Roadside Picnic is probably in my top 5 books of all time, and I will gladly join the book club for my semi-regular re-reading of it. Looking forward to hear some fresh takes on it!
Ditto. Although it's been quite a few years since I last read it, so I'm actually looking forwards to rereading it myself as well. :P
Would anyone be up for something like that with short stories featuring AI? Anyone could choose it's own story and write a bit about it.
Feels appropriate for our time.
If this book club event turns out well, I was planning on opening the floor for suggestions for the next book we could potentially read, in a separate topic afterwards. But a short story, several of them, or even an anthology would also work too... and I am always down for reading more scifi! So if you can hold off for a month, you would be more than welcome to add your own suggestions for short stories about AI to that next book club topic, once I post it.
If we end up doing more book club short stories I vote anything by Ted Chiang, whose The Story Of Your Life inspired Arrival the hollywood movie.
I personally find it difficult to commit to one book, that's why I thought of short stories. And a lot of them are easy to find online for free even for those that don't resort to "alternative means" :P
In any case, there are also novellas and novelletes, which are meatier while still fairly short.
Yeah, you're not alone in being hesitant to commit to a particular book. And I think picking books that are too much of a commitment is probably why most book clubs (esp online) eventually fall apart, since it starts feeling like homework instead of reading for fun. And yeah, the cost and accessibility is another issue too. But that's precisely why I thought Roadside Picnic was an ideal book to pick, since it's only 224 pages (which is only slightly longer than a typical novella), available in a bunch of languages, relatively inexpensive, and also written by long-dead authors so can be pirated guilt-free.
So if we do continue this, trying to keep those things in mind, and suggesting/picking similar types of books (or short stories) next time will be something I will likely strongly encourage.
These days I've read stories from The Best of Greg Egan, that is certainly an author worth discussing. I've also read some stories in Ted Chiang's Exhalation. It'd be awesome to discuss authors like these with inventive short fiction. And I don't think Chiang ever wrote a novel, which is awesome from my point of view because he's dedicated to shorter fiction and I respect that.
I've read a ton of short stories and novellas that I would love to discus with others too. Kurt Vonnegut, my own personal favorite author, has a glut of excellent ones, a lot of them being scifi as well.
Do you know if there's a place for finding short stories? I want to start getting into the habit of reading but don't yet have a favorite author to follow or preference for any particular genres.
A lot of famous short stories can be found just by Googling them with "full text" after the title ;)
Example: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=i+have+no+mouth+and+i+must+scream+full+text&oq=i+have+no+mouth+and+i+must+scream+full&aqs=heirloom-srp.0.0l5
And you can always download actual collection books on LibGen (not that I have ever done that, I would never do do such an awful awful thing).
One of my fav scifi books. Kind of a funny experience starting with the games, discovering they were inspired by a movie. And then discovering the movie was inspired by a book.
Can also recommend "The Doomed City", also by the Strugatsky bros. Haven't had the chance to read any of their other work though.
Translation quality varies quite a bit off the beaten path in my experience. I had a hard time reading Far Rainbow because it was hard to follow. That was a 5$ pick-up at the library book sale tho, so entirely possible there’s a better version floating around
Circling back to confirm my interest. Please ping me when the discussion starts up.
I'm a little over half-way through. Really enjoying it. I've previously read Hard to be a God by the same authors and the 2013 movie is one of my favorites.
I'm also down for future book clubs. I have a strong interest in literary sci-fi and fantasy with Gene Wolfe being my favorite.
I’m in! Got it through Kobo for a few pounds.
I'm in! Thanks for letting me know about it.
My copy just arrived the other day. Looking forward to the discussion.
Please ping me as well for the discussion thread. I love the film Stalker and I'm excited to check out the book.
I'm in!
It wasn't on Libby for me, but Apple has the original translation for $1.99, so I picked it up.
Great idea, thanks :)
Nice! Looking forward to hearing what you think of it. :)
However, the only problem with that copy is you'll miss out on the foreward written by Ursula K. Le Guin, which adds some interesting context to the novel. So in order to share that, I'll quickly write it out for you and anyone else interested in reading it:
And what follows from there is kinda getting into spoiler territory since it's just a copy of her old review of the book. So, I will simply link to that review, and people can read it or not read it at their own discretion:
https://www.depauw.edu/sfs/backissues/12/leguin12.htm
(I would recommend not reading it until after you have read the book yourself)
p.s. Le Guin is mistaken about the Strugatsky brothers never being blatant, or directly critical of their government's policies though. Their next novel, The Doomed City was about as blatantly critical as it gets... but to be fair to her, the brothers kept that novel a total secret (supposedly even from family and friends) due to their fears about releasing something so inflammatory, and so it wasn't even published in Russia until 16 years later in 1989, at the tail end of perestroika, when they finally felt it was safe for them to do so. And it wasn't translated to and published in English until rather recently (2016), so it's not surprising she didn't know about it when she wrote the foreward.
My number one publishing pet peeve: seemingly every classic book comes with an attached foreword that spoils the book before you read it!
I’ve stopped reading them entirely after having several major books ruined for me.
LOL yeah, I admit that I was thinking the same thing when I reread the foreward yesterday... and hence why I left out the spoilery part of it here. :P I think the first part of the foreward is something worthy of reading before reading the book though, since there definitely is a subtly subversive element to the story that you may not pick up on without first being made aware of the fact that it's a Soviet era publication.
The premise seems fascinating. Added to my tbr list.
So I have begun the book. I’m a slow reader these days so we’ll see how far I get, easy, enjoyable read so far.
Fun fact, there was a czech tv series based on it that was cancelled and obliterated by censors circa 1978.
I read the book a few years ago. I'd love to participate in the discussion!
Read this earlier this year. Wonderful concept and is so well-written, lots of human in it. Rewatching Tarkovsky's Stalker felt quite different after this.
Did you mean to post this here, or in the new Discussion topic?