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Steam Winter Sale 2024: Hidden gems

Inspired by the recurring topic every Steam sale over at /r/GameDealsMeta:

  • What are some lesser-known Steam games that you recommend?

  • Are there any genres you’d like hidden gem recommendations for?

If you're interested in previous Hidden Gem topics, you can find them here.

For popular recommendations and general purpose sale discussion, please use the main Steam Sale topic.

Optional: Feel free to categorize your recommendations by number of reviews (as a proxy for popularity)

Category Maximum Review Count
Shockingly Overlooked 20
Under the Radar 50
Buried Treasure 150
Underrated Great 500
Cult Classic 1000
Gem Graduate 1000+

25 comments

  1. [3]
    kfwyre
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    Here are links to my previous hidden gem lists (1, 2, 3). Most if not all of those still count. Everything below I've either played since the last topic, or didn't have on my previous lists. I’m...

    Here are links to my previous hidden gem lists (1, 2, 3).

    Most if not all of those still count. Everything below I've either played since the last topic, or didn't have on my previous lists.

    I’m not saying all of these are amazing games by any means (though some are). Instead, each is at least noteworthy and, in my opinion, deserves more attention than it’s currently gotten.


    Shockingly Overlooked (≤20 reviews)

    Devastator

    • A Geometry Wars-inspired score attack shooter. Learn the different enemy patterns to survive.

    Buried Treasures (≤150 reviews)

    Andro Dunos II

    • A 2022 sequel to a 1992 side-scrolling shooter that feels exactly like something that would have been on the Sega Genesis.

    Beyond the Storm

    • A fan love-letter to Tyrian 2000. Rough around the edges, but worth it if you liked its inspiration.

    Eigengrau

    • A four-direction scrolling shooter with a bunch of novel ideas. Polished. Deserves way more attention.

    Flame Over

    • Top-down firefighting roguelike. Very difficult, but satisfying when you’re successful.

    Hot Lap League

    • "We have TrackMania at home." It's not nearly as good as TrackMania, but it scratches the same time-trial racing itch.

    Mr. Run and Jump

    • A precision platformer with a neat side-leap move. This one gets quite difficult, but the devs also include some optional but very generous and robust player assists (e.g. showing you a ghost of complex movement sequences in levels).

    Nebula

    • Vampire Survivors in space. Doesn’t do much to change up the formula, but it’s satisfying if you like the genre.

    Orc Survivor

    • Vampire Survivors but you’re an orc. Does a little to jazz up the formula, but is mostly familiar.

    Planet Cube: Edge

    • A mix of Mega Man and precision platformer. Gorgeous monochromatic pixel art. (Warning: achievements were bugged for me on Steam Deck — none of them triggered)

    Treasures of the Aegean

    • 2D time-loop exploration collectathon platformer with lots of running. Think of it as 2D Tomb Raider x Mirror’s Edge. Great hand-drawn artwork.

    Vostok Inc.

    • An incremental (and sort-of idle) space shooter. It's not great, and it's got some definite issues, but it's a solid audiobook/podcast game.

    Xanthiom Zero

    • A really solid retro old-school Metroid-like. Satisfying and doesn't overstay its welcome.

    Underrated Greats (≤500 reviews)

    FRACT OSC

    • A very odd abstract open-world exploration game focused on music. I played it a decade ago, and I still remember its amazing ending.

    Hourglass

    • An execution-heavy first-person puzzle game where you can record a clone of yourself to help you solve puzzles. I didn’t love it personally, but the game is good for people that like puzzles of that type.

    Islands of the Caliph

    • A deliberately old-school first-person grid-based dungeon crawler. Feels like something straight out of the 90s in a good way. Hint: take some notes with real pen and paper to make navigating the game’s locations easier.

    The Last Express

    • Honestly, I'd recommend the GOG version over this one (it's closer to the orignal, and the Steam release has some bugs). I also highly recommend playing it with a guide. The game has an open-ended "learn from your mistakes" loop that, combined with its dated presentation, will likely frustrate most modern players. If you can look past its age, however, you'll get to experience one of the greatest gaming narratives of all time. Seriously, play it with a guide.

    MARSUPILAMI - HOOBADVENTURE

    • (Yes, that's actually its name.) The collectibles and time-trial mode reminded me of Crash Bandicoot; the rolling dash reminded me of Sonic; and the overall level design and gameplay reminded me of Donkey Kong Country. This is a very competent 2D platformer hidden underneath what looks like a licensed kids' game.

    Nimbus

    • A gravity-based 2D racing/navigation game. Movement feels great -- smooth and satisfying.

    Puzzler World and Puzzler World 2

    • Big puzzle packs with a variety of different puzzle types and lots to complete. They're pretty simple and more aimed at kids than adults. 1 is better than 2.

    Resonance

    • A lot of games I play I don't really remember too much after they're done. I played this over 10 years ago and it's stuck with me. A modern sci-fi point-and-click adventure. Feels like it would probably be a good fit for people who don't love the genre.

    Runespell: Overture

    • RPG combat mixed with solitaire and poker. Novel idea. Quite difficult.

    Sagebrush

    • A first-person walking sim where you explore a cult compound. Compelling and unsettling.

    Sensorium

    • A first-person open-world mystery island puzzle game based around the five senses (yes, even taste and smell). It's not anywhere near The Witness, but that's also the closest game I can compare it to. Deserves a much bigger audience than it has.

    Star Drift Evolution

    • An absolutely splendid little racing game. Great low-poly aesthetic and satisfying handling. Doing time-trials against the person ahead of you in the leaderboards for each track is addictive. My favorite in this list, and one of the most criminally overlooked games on Steam, in my opinion.

    Super Puzzle Platformer Deluxe

    • A little bit Tetris; a little bit match-3; a little bit Mega Man. You Jump around on the tops of blocks that continually fall down the screen, attempting to clear big blocks of the same color for big points.

    Title_Pending

    • A Stanley Parable-inspired meta game where you’re a playtester for a beta build of a game. Doesn’t reach nearly the same heights as Parable, but I still enjoyed it.

    Cult Classics (≤1000 reviews)

    Rumu

    • A top-down narrative adventure where you play as a robot vacuum investigating a central mystery.

    Gem Graduates (1000+ reviews)

    Accident

    • Ten different scenarios where you are the first person to drive up to the scene of a car crash. You must call emergency services, assess victims, and and administer necessary aid. The game felt like practice for my IRL first-aid training. It better in concept than execution and holds your hand way too much, but I've also never played anything like it. I would love a more polished and expanded sequel.

    Super Kiwi 64

    • A short and sweet (less than an hour) retro 3D platformer in the style of Banjo-Kazooie.
    14 votes
    1. [2]
      Mendanbar
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      I was baffled by this one, as I thought Marsupilami was a character solely created for Disney's "Raw Toonage" in the 90's. Boy was I surprised to find that it's based on a comic from the 1950's,...

      MARSUPILAMI - HOOBADVENTURE

      I was baffled by this one, as I thought Marsupilami was a character solely created for Disney's "Raw Toonage" in the 90's. Boy was I surprised to find that it's based on a comic from the 1950's, and that it has been around as various media installments long after the short lived Disney series.
      (source via Wikipedia)

      3 votes
      1. 0xSim
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        My son was actually reading a Marsupilami comic (actually a "bande dessinée" as we say in French) a few days ago in his bed :) A character created by André Franquin, who is regarded as one of the...

        My son was actually reading a Marsupilami comic (actually a "bande dessinée" as we say in French) a few days ago in his bed :)

        A character created by André Franquin, who is regarded as one of the best and most influential comics artist in Belgium.

        5 votes
  2. [3]
    cfabbro
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    Neither of mine are necessarily "hidden gems" since they're reasonably well known in their respective niche genres, but are not exactly well known outside them, so I still think they're worth...

    Neither of mine are necessarily "hidden gems" since they're reasonably well known in their respective niche genres, but are not exactly well known outside them, so I still think they're worth highlighting:

    Caves of Qud, Overwhelmingly Positive (8,322 reviews), -15% CDN$ 33.14

    This is easily the best Rogue/Nethack inspired RPG I have ever played. I say "inspired" rather than "-like" because this is more true to the originators of the genre than most games that get labeled with "-like" these days, especially in terms of its core gameplay and graphics, but just with some extra retro RPG elements added to it as well. Think Rogue/Nethack meets Zelda meets Final Fantasy meets Tales of Maj'Eyal but wrapped in a 70's style retro-futurism, post-apocalyptic, psychedelic scifi shell, and you won't be too far off the mark. The 1.0 release also just came out too which significantly improved the UI, and added even more QoL stuff, so it's a perfect time for new people to give it a try.


    Citizen Sleeper, Very Positive (5,505 reviews), -70% CDN$ 7.79

    From a previous comment of mine:

    Citizen Sleeper is the best game I've played in quite a long while, and I highly highly recommend it if you like Time/Resource Management and Interactive Fiction games... Although it's somewhat light on the management aspect, it's not super challenging, and it's mostly an IF game. Similar to Disco Elysium, the writing is absolutely top-notch in it, and it manages to get you to fall in love with the characters in a short amount of time. The only disappointing thing about it is its length. After 16 hours of play I felt pretty much done with it despite not having found absolutely all of the endings yet (only got 22/27 achievements). So I'm really hoping that Citizen Sleeper 2, which is due out in 2025, will be much much longer.

    11 votes
    1. [2]
      hungariantoast
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      Between Jacob Geller's review and your comment, I'm starting to think I need to play Citizen Sleeper. I don't really have anything else to add to this, but my brain would like your brain to know...

      Between Jacob Geller's review and your comment, I'm starting to think I need to play Citizen Sleeper.

      I say "inspired" rather than "-like" because this is more true to the originators of the genre than most games that get labeled with "-like" these days, especially in terms of its core gameplay and graphics, but just with some extra retro RPG elements added to it as well.

      I don't really have anything else to add to this, but my brain would like your brain to know that I call games in this style "rogue-playing games"

      3 votes
      1. cfabbro
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        Just watched Jacob Geller's review. That's a really good review, he says everything way better than I could, and I wholeheartedly concur with him. I was enthralled by it too, and totally binged...

        Just watched Jacob Geller's review. That's a really good review, he says everything way better than I could, and I wholeheartedly concur with him. I was enthralled by it too, and totally binged the entire game like he did as well.

        p.s. I just noticed "traditional roguelike" is used in the steam tags for Qud and ToME, and I think that suits them both too.

        3 votes
  3. [3]
    TyrianMollusk
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    I posted a nice list for the Summer sale, and going over things to update this time, it's pretty similar right down to the review counts (... depressing), so I'm just going to focus on one new...

    I posted a nice list for the Summer sale, and going over things to update this time, it's pretty similar right down to the review counts (... depressing), so I'm just going to focus on one new game that's limping along at 23 rather unappreciative reviews:

    Combat Complex -- 30% off: $13.99 (early access)

    Twin-stick shooter against various bugs and robots with some basic ARPG gearing/upgrades but a more arcade feel, offering fantastically tight action with probably three key factors:

    • Enemies target you but hit each other, so you manage their attacks to help your fighting instead of just staying out of trouble.
    • "Frenzy" orb pickups, which act a bit like combo meter fuel except instead of chaining hits for combo, you make frequent choices about whether an orb drop is worth chasing, keeping you close to danger.
    • Instant gun switching with overheating instead of reloading, so you fight hard and switch constantly between your three guns (and moments of not shooting for faster movement) to keep any one from overheating while getting the best out of their specific properties.

    I play a lot of twin-stick and top-down shooters, and this does a great job mixing the arcade twin-stick feel of high-intensity swarm chewing with tactical top-down dungeon crawling elements, and it's just really special feeling to play, at least if you pay attention. Plus, it's extraction style instead of being a roguelite or static arcade run, so you're always right at the best action while still getting procedural levels to change things up. That said, there's no scoring and a lot of rudimentary parts, so it lives entirely on action quality and the fun of the fight.

    Games like this tend to get really underappreciated, and I'd really like this gem to find its players, because it just makes me happy someone is out there making something like this (and I want them to feel encouraged by some $$ interest, dontcha know--my partner and I already bought ours). It's got a demo, so give it a chance to grow on you once it gets past the gentle introduction.

    If you don't like words, here's a video (link-only, not a channel) of one mission a few floors past the demo (blame Steam's game recording for creating glitchy sound artifacts that weren't there in play): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa8_m6QuvOg

    4 votes
    1. [2]
      feylec
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      Maybe this is off topic for the main thread but… do you have any suggestions for other twin stick shooters on Steam? I’ve also been keen on them for a long time. I don’t mind if it’s wave based or...

      Maybe this is off topic for the main thread but… do you have any suggestions for other twin stick shooters on Steam? I’ve also been keen on them for a long time. I don’t mind if it’s wave based or area based. The last standout for me that’s held up is crimsonland. Another that I have fond memories of is an iOS from very very early days (maybe first or second year App Store) called Isotope.

      2 votes
      1. TyrianMollusk
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        Not really off-topic, as poorly as twin-sticks have been doing in the market. Make sure you try the demo for next year's Sektori, too. That thing is crazy, and probably going to sell just as...

        Not really off-topic, as poorly as twin-sticks have been doing in the market. Make sure you try the demo for next year's Sektori, too. That thing is crazy, and probably going to sell just as poorly as the rest despite its coolness, though NextFests have been helping some niche games find a little more attention.

        • Waves -- Free since the dev passed away, but great nonetheless. There's also Waves 2 (also free) which had some neat ideas, but it was unfinished and not all its parts work. W2's "preview" beta has another version with another mode (Grid) that's pretty neat, and it has some different weapons.
        • Assault Android Cactus -- This may well be the best level-mastery arcade twin-stick out there, and it's running its usual sale price of ... $5. Don't let the cutesy looks fool you: it's a beast.
        • Devader -- Less brilliant or varied but still a gem of a game, full of clever play, weird enemies, and unusual ideas. Sadly, I haven't seen it go on sale in a while, but the dev did drop its price before they stopped putting it on sale, so it's just always pretty cheap now.
        • Twin Ruin -- Laser-focused (ie no niceties ;) on simply intense arcade play and sporting a dual color mechanic plus a pointlessly low sale price.
        • Devastator -- Another curious twin-stick variation from the great radiangames dev of the Xbox 360 indie arcade days.
        • AtomHex -- Falls outside Steam, but it is another great and more than a little cracked gem of the genre that's always way cheaper than it deserves (and shareware, so you can play it a while without forking over the $2 or whatever). If you like color-swapping, this is must-have.

        Since you like Crimsonland, you might also want to check out Tesla vs Lovecraft. Didn't really win me over, but might play better for you since it has some notable similarities.

        2 votes
  4. Nemoder
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    I recently finished Afterplace which before my review was still Under the Radar. It's a simple top down ARPG with a focus on story, characters and exploring a surreal world. While there's only a...

    I recently finished Afterplace which before my review was still Under the Radar.

    It's a simple top down ARPG with a focus on story, characters and exploring a surreal world. While there's only a handful of upgrades and items the humorous writing and atmosphere made it a really enjoyable experience.

    4 votes
  5. pekt
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    Underrated Great: Logistical, Very Positive (218 Reviews) This game is a sort of puzzle, logistical, supply chain building game. Simple game play of drag trucks with goods from one place to...

    Underrated Great: Logistical, Very Positive (218 Reviews)

    This game is a sort of puzzle, logistical, supply chain building game. Simple game play of drag trucks with goods from one place to another to complete the demands of a town, produce goods, or to upgrade industries. There are a bunch of modules, which are separate standalone maps. The dev has also created a Logistical 2, and 3, which are iterations on this formula and improvements on the engine/add new features. I have a few modules and would like to pick up more eventually.

    This series culminated in the Buried Treasure Logistical 3: Earth, Very Positive (139 Reviews). Hundreds to thousands of hours of content in that one game. I plan to pick this up one day.

    This series for me scratches an itch, and I can lose a good chunk of time playing if I'm able to sit down and play. Lately it has been a podcast listening game when I can sit down for a bit and don't want to think too hard.

    4 votes
  6. [7]
    vicvision
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    I wanted to contribute but am on mobile and have little time to properly link and describe. Still I thought it would be a shame if I didn't bring awareness to these gems. I'll try and return soon...

    I wanted to contribute but am on mobile and have little time to properly link and describe. Still I thought it would be a shame if I didn't bring awareness to these gems. I'll try and return soon to edit in more detail.

    As my Steam account is approaching 1600 titles this was too grand a feat to parse thru it's entirety, these titles represent standouts I've enjoyed within the last year with fewer than 1000 reviews.

    Proverbs - puzzle cross between Sudoku and Minesweeper
    Hadley's Run - twin stick roguelike
    Keep Keepers - co-op automation and tower defense, feels like a mix of Plate-Up and No Heroes Here
    No Heroes Here - co-op defense
    Wild Woods - co-op action roguelike similar to Unrailed with defensive combat
    Brok - Funny detective Point-and-Click
    Riftbound - best lane defense since Plants vs Zombies
    Touch Type Tale - Great typing RTS fusion
    Pyrene - card turn-based combat
    Tipston Salvage - amazing co-op action driving forklifts
    Arco - Turn-based RPG with good story
    Feed the Deep - Roguelike Domekeeper
    Depths of Sanity - Submarine metroivania
    Offroad Mania - vroom

    Honourable Mention (more than 1000 reviews):
    Minishoot Adventures - so good, one of the relatively few games I've beaten

    4 votes
    1. [2]
      fefellama
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      Damn dude. I just got a bunch of games in the previous black friday sale, but after reading your descriptions, quite a few of these sounded interesting to me. So I looked em up and now I have like...

      Damn dude. I just got a bunch of games in the previous black friday sale, but after reading your descriptions, quite a few of these sounded interesting to me. So I looked em up and now I have like 8 more games to add to my wishlist. Unsure of which to try first, luckily a lot of them have demos. Guess I know what I'll be doing this weekend.

      Thanks!

      Here let me save you some time with the links since I already have most of these open in other tabs:

      Proverbs - puzzle cross between Sudoku and Minesweeper
      Hadley's Run - twin stick roguelike
      Keep Keepers - co-op automation and tower defense, feels like a mix of Plate-Up and No Heroes Here
      No Heroes Here - co-op defense
      Wild Woods - co-op action roguelike similar to Unrailed with defensive combat
      Brok - Funny detective Point-and-Click
      Riftbound - best lane defense since Plants vs Zombies
      Touch Type Tale - Great typing RTS fusion
      Pyrene - card turn-based combat
      Tipston Salvage - amazing co-op action driving forklifts
      Arco - Turn-based RPG with good story
      Feed the Deep - Roguelike Domekeeper
      Depths of Sanity - Submarine metroivania
      Offroad Mania - vroom
      Minishoot Adventures - so good, one of the relatively few games I've beaten

      6 votes
      1. vicvision
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        Amazing thank you! I'm glad you were able to find some inspiration here, I love gaming as a hobby even if I don't have the kind of spare time anymore to fully enjoy it. I'm always excited to share...

        Here let me save you some time with the links

        Amazing thank you!

        I'm glad you were able to find some inspiration here, I love gaming as a hobby even if I don't have the kind of spare time anymore to fully enjoy it. I'm always excited to share good games and help support small devs that absolutely deserve the love. I'd be curious to know what you picked up and what you end up enjoying. Have fun!

        3 votes
    2. [2]
      Requirement
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      Proverbs might be my game of the year and I feel really weird about saying that. I need a sequel. I'm addicted.

      Proverbs might be my game of the year and I feel really weird about saying that. I need a sequel. I'm addicted.

      4 votes
      1. vicvision
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        Yeah it's so good. I just broke 50% the other day and feel really proud about it :)

        Yeah it's so good. I just broke 50% the other day and feel really proud about it :)

        1 vote
    3. chocobean
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      as a piccross-like fan, this sounds exactly like my cup of tea. if there's a phone version I wouldn't get anything done O_O

      Proverbs

      as a piccross-like fan, this sounds exactly like my cup of tea. if there's a phone version I wouldn't get anything done O_O

      3 votes
    4. kfwyre
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      This is a great list! I’m probably going to pick up a few of these for myself. Thank you for sharing.

      This is a great list! I’m probably going to pick up a few of these for myself.

      Thank you for sharing.

      2 votes
  7. [4]
    chocobean
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    (review from my younger teen, since they play a lot more games than I do these days) Mages of Mystralia - Very Positive (815 reviews) - action adventure, very pretty, fun, but can be difficult....

    (review from my younger teen, since they play a lot more games than I do these days)

    Mages of Mystralia - Very Positive (815 reviews) - action adventure, very pretty, fun, but can be difficult. Has a good story with interesting plot twist

    Critter Cafe - Mostly Positive (65) - cute critters, puzzles really hard, cafe management kinda stresful, but the cafe game actually pretty fun and you get to decorate things! Also, cute critters.

    overlooked "grads":

    Apico - just over 1000 reviews. It's got cute bees, and fun characters. These guys also made:

    Snacktorio - not officially released yet, but combine your love of cute things, cooking, and factory simulation obsession. Anticipating this, free demo available.

    Ooblets -- Mostly Positive (1164) -- okay this one is mine. This is my favourite Pokemon title, even though it isn't a Pokemon title. They released last year and still "only" have 1164 mostly positive reviews? :( Maybe because they sold more copies on Switch, hopefully. You collect cute buddies, they follow you around town, and they dance (turn based card) battle! The NPC characters are interesting and erh, "neurodiverse" in unique ways. The whole place is great and cozy and cute and fun. Hard recommend. I already mentioned I don't play many games these days but I was so glad to have played this one to nearly 100% completion. I think I'll sit down with this one over winter break and play it over again.

    4 votes
    1. [3]
      Tanukey
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      Ooblets was my COVID game. Spent so many hours in it. I went even so far as to buy it on the Epic store when it was still an exclusive. The low positive reviews are probably because of the initial...

      Ooblets was my COVID game. Spent so many hours in it. I went even so far as to buy it on the Epic store when it was still an exclusive. The low positive reviews are probably because of the initial backlash. Seems like a lot of gamers are hard to forgive, but I never really cared since I didn't back the Kickstarter or anything. Definitely also recommend!

      I start Mages of Mystralia but haven't got very far yet, so looking forward to the twist!

      2 votes
      1. [2]
        chocobean
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        I missed the whole backlash saga, what happened? Did they overpromise from kickstarter or something?

        I missed the whole backlash saga, what happened? Did they overpromise from kickstarter or something?

        1 vote
        1. MimicSquid
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          Did a Kickstarter and then took Epic's money to be an exclusive.

          Did a Kickstarter and then took Epic's money to be an exclusive.

          2 votes
  8. [3]
    lou
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    Any interesting visual novel?

    Any interesting visual novel?

    3 votes
    1. fefellama
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      Thronebreaker: The Witcher Tales is on sale for 80% off ($4 in the states) and is one of the best story-focused games I've played in years. Incredible story with plenty of plot twists and turns...

      Thronebreaker: The Witcher Tales is on sale for 80% off ($4 in the states) and is one of the best story-focused games I've played in years. Incredible story with plenty of plot twists and turns and choices that are actually difficult and thought-provoking. I was backstabbed by characters I trusted implicitly, and I ended up really liking other characters that I thought were total assholes at the start. And it's got some very clever and interesting puzzle design that meshes well with the setting and mechanics of the game. I really can't emphasize how much I loved the story-telling, world-building, and character development in this game enough. Highly recommend.

      Disclaimer: It's a tiny bit more involved than a visual novel since you technically need to build a deck and play some gwent, but if you don't want to do that you can just play on the story difficulty setting and these battles should be a breeze.

      3 votes
    2. cfabbro
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      Not a Visual Novel, per se, but I mentioned the Interactive Fiction game, Citizen Sleeper, in a comment above:

      Not a Visual Novel, per se, but I mentioned the Interactive Fiction game, Citizen Sleeper, in a comment above:

      Citizen Sleeper, Very Positive (5,505 reviews), -70% CDN$ 7.79

      From a previous comment of mine:

      Citizen Sleeper is the best game I've played in quite a long while, and I highly highly recommend it if you like Time/Resource Management and Interactive Fiction games... Although it's somewhat light on the management aspect, it's not super challenging, and it's mostly an IF game. Similar to Disco Elysium, the writing is absolutely top-notch in it, and it manages to get you to fall in love with the characters in a short amount of time. The only disappointing thing about it is its length. After 16 hours of play I felt pretty much done with it despite not having found absolutely all of the endings yet (only got 22/27 achievements). So I'm really hoping that Citizen Sleeper 2, which is due out in 2025, will be much much longer.

      2 votes