I'm going to start by saying I have no desire to see hate speech, nazis and bigots spouting off either; just for the record. That is why I left Twitter pretty quickly after Musk took over. That...
I'm going to start by saying I have no desire to see hate speech, nazis and bigots spouting off either; just for the record. That is why I left Twitter pretty quickly after Musk took over. That being said;
If you look at it purely through the lens of free speech absolutists. Twitter is not a dumpster fire. Free speech absolutists are expecting to see all speech. Left, right and center they expect to see it all. Rational people recognize that hate speech and people generally being asshole is something that very few people actually want to sit around and listen to. Therefore, we left. But for the folks who are absolutist--they think Twitter is better than it has ever been.
In my experience, free speech absolutists also like to try to artificially signal boost unpopular right-wing views to the point that they appear to be mainstream opinion and decry prohibition of...
In my experience, free speech absolutists also like to try to artificially signal boost unpopular right-wing views to the point that they appear to be mainstream opinion and decry prohibition of this boosting as censorship, which also runs counter to the idea that they just want to let people speak freely.
I recently learned of the tolerance paradox which was quite enlightening, the tl;dr is it "states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or...
I recently learned of the tolerance paradox which was quite enlightening, the tl;dr is it "states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant."
The way to cut the Gordian Knot of the paradox is that being tolerant of other view points is part of the buy in of the social contract. If you want to participate in a tolerant society, you need...
The way to cut the Gordian Knot of the paradox is that being tolerant of other view points is part of the buy in of the social contract. If you want to participate in a tolerant society, you need to yourself be tolerant of others and those others need to be tolerant of you. By this understanding, if someone is being intolerant of others (racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, etc), then they're already in violation of the social contract and so censoring their speech is within reason.
Fundamentally, there is no need for a paradox if you reframe the idea of tolerance of things you might find uncomfortable to be one of the requirements for participating in an actual society rather than a theoretical one.
I'm not sure that denies the paradox. With your solution, you've set reasonable limits on tolerance (just like Tildes has). However, the paradox is that unlimited tolerance begets bigotry.
I'm not sure that denies the paradox. With your solution, you've set reasonable limits on tolerance (just like Tildes has). However, the paradox is that unlimited tolerance begets bigotry.
I could've phrased my comment better. My point was the key is in how you define tolerance. The "paradox" is really easy to solve if you define unlimited tolerance as you and others in this thread...
I could've phrased my comment better. My point was the key is in how you define tolerance. The "paradox" is really easy to solve if you define unlimited tolerance as you and others in this thread have. If unlimited tolerance means absolute free speech, then the paradox is more of a paradox because even assholes don't want to be around other assholes.
There's two "Twitters". The social media, and the company. The company is a dumpster fire, and that isn't really up for debate. The social media on the other hand, that is a dumpster fire, but...
Twitter is not a dumpster fire.
There's two "Twitters". The social media, and the company. The company is a dumpster fire, and that isn't really up for debate. The social media on the other hand, that is a dumpster fire, but it's up for debate whether it always was one.
I've said this before in other settings, and I'll say it here: Twitter was such a useful resource, that there's a nonzero chance that there are a handful of North Korean accounts. Unverified, but...
I've said this before in other settings, and I'll say it here: Twitter was such a useful resource, that there's a nonzero chance that there are a handful of North Korean accounts.
Unverified, but the possibility still remains.
When you can get the North Koreans to overlook the optics of being a private "customer" to a capitalistic venture based in the U.S., then you know you must have something truly special.
I don't think free speech absolutists expect to see all speech, or, if they do, they haven't thought about free speech enough. They probably want spam to be filtered. If I want to make a bot that...
I don't think free speech absolutists expect to see all speech, or, if they do, they haven't thought about free speech enough.
They probably want spam to be filtered. If I want to make a bot that writes a million comments a minute in favor of my political views, selling something, or just annoying people that could be argued as free speech I'm owed.
Same thing with gore, porn, and other extreme content. No one is lobbying for Twitter to be unable to remove cartel beheadings or the 3 guys 1 hammer shock content I grew up with.
You can have a "freedom from" in conjunction with a "freedom to" say whatever you want. There are plenty of studies confirming the sort of chilling effect you get without moderation. In unmoderated games where women get threats or hit on, or minorities get slurs thrown at them, unsurprisingly they leave or don't speak. At the extreme (maybe Voat?) that leaves only the only speech of the "free speech" crowd as speech that is free.
It doesn't really make sense to call yourself a free speech advocate and cheer driving away people who disagreed with you. Or the downvotes on the slightest disagreement you see in Libertarian subs.
The internet adds an additional level of complexity on top of that, since you can argue that search engines/recommendation systems by function censor almost all content. When you see "25 billion results" on Google, and Google knows what incredibly small group of people ever get past the first page of results, the argument some GOP members were giving about being censored by not being ranked high on the results would entail that Google is censoring 25 bil - ~20ish entities.
Free speech absolutists are usually just right wingers who don't want people to be able to block them, so they don't think through it that hard ime. Bullet point #3 is one they particularly tend...
Free speech absolutists are usually just right wingers who don't want people to be able to block them, so they don't think through it that hard ime. Bullet point #3 is one they particularly tend to disagree with.
Did you actually see that yourself or just read about it in the news? I don’t see it in my Twitter feed, but maybe it’s because I avoid people who tweet about politics. I’ve seen the occasional...
Did you actually see that yourself or just read about it in the news? I don’t see it in my Twitter feed, but maybe it’s because I avoid people who tweet about politics. I’ve seen the occasional cryptocurrency scam, but that happened before, and it’s less often. I report and block.
He just banned a tesla critique from twitter. His "free speech absolutism" is only a dog whistle and not a value Musk lives by or thrives twitter to be. It has gotten worse but slurs and racists...
He just banned a tesla critique from twitter.
His "free speech absolutism" is only a dog whistle and not a value Musk lives by or thrives twitter to be.
It has gotten worse but slurs and racists are now welcome.
Huffman praising Musk says everything one needs to know about him. I just assumed Huffman would be in the Musk personality cult, now we have confirmation.
Huffman praising Musk says everything one needs to know about him. I just assumed Huffman would be in the Musk personality cult, now we have confirmation.
Learning he got laser eye surgery not because it was convenient but for survivalist purposes told me everything about him. Also relevant BtB on Elon:...
Learning he got laser eye surgery not because it was convenient but for survivalist purposes told me everything about him.
I have had laser eye surgery. It's clearly not the reason I got it, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that it's crossed my mind that if I ever accidentally got transported back in time to a time...
I have had laser eye surgery.
It's clearly not the reason I got it, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that it's crossed my mind that if I ever accidentally got transported back in time to a time before opticians then at least I'll be able to see (while they burn me as a witch).
Reddit saw a ton of people threaten to leave Twitter over a lot of things and then saw very few people actually leave. I left Twitter when Musk announced all the white supremacists were going to...
Reddit saw a ton of people threaten to leave Twitter over a lot of things and then saw very few people actually leave.
I left Twitter when Musk announced all the white supremacists were going to be allowed back on the platform and now a bunch of them are verified.
Reddit said it themselves, it’s profitability over community. That mindset is terrible for growth.
I'm not surprised, Musk showed that you can yeet a lot more employees than a lot of people think and have a site be more or less operational. The Musk layoffs were very extreme, ~75% after all was...
I'm not surprised, Musk showed that you can yeet a lot more employees than a lot of people think and have a site be more or less operational. The Musk layoffs were very extreme, ~75% after all was said and done, and the site had some hiccups, but it survived the world cup without issue and today is chugging along.
I'm surprised Reddit only had a 5% layoff - maybe they're just thinking of doing more later. The company grew from 750 employees to 2000 from 2021 to now, so I would expect a large, but maybe not Musk sized, layoff to increase margins and maybe get the company profitable. 30-40% maybe?
Sure, but that’s almost more to the point. Twitter isn’t paying those bills because their FCF is presumably lower than their obligations. Laying off employees increases your FCF. Pre layoffs...
Sure, but that’s almost more to the point. Twitter isn’t paying those bills because their FCF is presumably lower than their obligations. Laying off employees increases your FCF. Pre layoffs they’d be more underwater.
Your car will also run fine if you skip the yearly routine maintenance, but the eventual break down will be much more severe. Computer systems don't just stop working overnight. But when something...
Musk showed that you can yeet a lot more employees than a lot of people think and have a site be more or less operational.
Your car will also run fine if you skip the yearly routine maintenance, but the eventual break down will be much more severe.
Computer systems don't just stop working overnight. But when something inevitably goes wrong (khm, two factor authentication on twitter for example), there will be no one left to fix it in any orderly manner. Also, in case of such big systems, the accumulated domain knowledge employees have is invaluable and irreplaceable. Throwing all that away has basically made any kind of future progress orders of magnitude slower, and more likely to break other parts of the site.
Maybe, but it's been a while since the Musk layoffs, and if anything the site has stabilized more. They are also still able to hire, which was another question (people wondered if the rough nature...
Maybe, but it's been a while since the Musk layoffs, and if anything the site has stabilized more. They are also still able to hire, which was another question (people wondered if the rough nature of the layoffs would cause them to be a pariah, but they're not having issues hiring now).
To be clear, I work as a software engineer at a tech company in SF. I would love if the path to corporate nirvana for tech companies was to keep hiring my peers at very high pay. But I think the reality is that the vast majority of engineers are R&D and the actual amount required to do KTLO is a small fraction of the employee base for most of them, unlike other types of companies. As interest rates increase, it's going to be more pertinent to lower R&D spending.
Yeah but in that case, the added cost and time lost from the breakdown is a good incentive to avoid it, though. To someone as rich as Musk, he couldn't give two shits about any of this, because...
Your car will also run fine if you skip the yearly routine maintenance, but the eventual break down will be much more severe.
Yeah but in that case, the added cost and time lost from the breakdown is a good incentive to avoid it, though.
To someone as rich as Musk, he couldn't give two shits about any of this, because he's worth so much money that neither before nor after such a loss the human mind can viably imagine it to assign any real value to it.
It definitely affects Musk, as he is an egoistic man-child who thought he was smart, yet his company’s successes were all in spite of him, not because of him. Fortunately thanks to his mishandling...
It definitely affects Musk, as he is an egoistic man-child who thought he was smart, yet his company’s successes were all in spite of him, not because of him.
Fortunately thanks to his mishandling of this whole Twitter situation, more people have become aware of him being hardly more than a scammer. Also, millionaire don’t have their money liquidated — he put up quite a lot of Tesla shares in exchange, so losing that will hurt him.
Twitter works less reliably for me these days. They blocked reverse chronological sorting on the search query I was using to read it. But mostly usable, sure.
Twitter works less reliably for me these days. They blocked reverse chronological sorting on the search query I was using to read it. But mostly usable, sure.
Is this a joke or are you serious? Reddit has huge amounts of "business development" employees, marketing people, salespeople, trust and safety teams, HR, etc
Is this a joke or are you serious? Reddit has huge amounts of "business development" employees, marketing people, salespeople, trust and safety teams, HR, etc
There's a joke that's something along the lines of "How long would it take you to make a video player?" "One week." "How long if we assign 20 people to it?" "20 weeks."
There's a joke that's something along the lines of
"How long would it take you to make a video player?"
All this reddit news just makes me sad. Many years ago, I used to look at reddit as a diamond in the rough. Sad to see what's happening to it. What's even sadder is in the back of my head I think...
All this reddit news just makes me sad. Many years ago, I used to look at reddit as a diamond in the rough. Sad to see what's happening to it. What's even sadder is in the back of my head I think I know that he's probably right. The internet has a short attention span, and their upset rage will pass. Even if 75% of the users left, you would still have enough people on the platform to regrow and continue. And once the internet mostly forgets about this, he'll be set up with a platform that is able to make the company more money than it was able to before. I feel defeated... I loved my third party app.. :(
But hey, you're here and part of a better community now! Tildes definitely isn't a one-to-one replacement for Reddit (it's not supposed to be), but if the community is the most important part of a...
But hey, you're here and part of a better community now! Tildes definitely isn't a one-to-one replacement for Reddit (it's not supposed to be), but if the community is the most important part of a website then we can always rebuild somewhere better. There's already an iOS app in open beta, and the creator of Reddit is Fun is also working on a cross-platform app!
Reddit actually just doubled-down on NSFW by allowing NSFW uploads to i.redd.it through the website, so I don't think this is going to happen. The media tour isn't for the users; it's for the...
kill NSFW
Reddit actually just doubled-down on NSFW by allowing NSFW uploads to i.redd.it through the website, so I don't think this is going to happen.
Nothing else really makes sense to me. This media tour seems to have no other purpose than to incite community rage, and I can't believe he is stupid enough to believe what he's saying.
The media tour isn't for the users; it's for the future investors in the IPO and reassure current investors. Looking at it through that lens, it makes a lot more sense. He's still making a lot of flubs, but I think that just speaks to his relative inexperience; I don't see him being a sacrificial lamb, here.
Isn't this basically what happened before with Ellen Pao, where some changes unpopular with the community where implemented, she took a lot of hate, resigned, and spez was filling the "good cop" role?
Isn't this basically what happened before with Ellen Pao, where some changes unpopular with the community where implemented, she took a lot of hate, resigned, and spez was filling the "good cop" role?
Yeah and they all went to r/conservative instead. I would argue banning r/the_donald had close to zero effect on the reddit platform, except as optics so they can say “see we care!” Sad that...
One specific difference is their handling of former President Donald Trump and his supporters. While Musk reinstated Trump’s Twitter account, which prior management had suspended after the Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol, Reddit has kept in place its ban on the subreddit r/the_donald, a gathering spot for Trump’s supporters.
Yeah and they all went to r/conservative instead. I would argue banning r/the_donald had close to zero effect on the reddit platform, except as optics so they can say “see we care!”
Sad that reddit originally said they weren’t trying to pull a Twitter with their API prices and now it seems like they are trying to pull a Twitter.
That is probably true, thinking about it now I’m not sure I ventured into r/all much until after r/the_donald was banned. Side note, being able to filter subreddits from the r/all feed was a...
That is probably true, thinking about it now I’m not sure I ventured into r/all much until after r/the_donald was banned.
Side note, being able to filter subreddits from the r/all feed was a really nice feature in Apollo :(
Maybe Huffman is hoping to get Reddit bought out by private foreign investment and flip Reddit into a bigger perpetual foreign influence operation than twitter?
Maybe Huffman is hoping to get Reddit bought out by private foreign investment and flip Reddit into a bigger perpetual foreign influence operation than twitter?
Reddit tends to make a lot of noise about things that ultimately become "nothingburgers", to use that particular phrase. Reddit is still very much alive and kicking despite the blackout...
Reddit tends to make a lot of noise about things that ultimately become "nothingburgers", to use that particular phrase. Reddit is still very much alive and kicking despite the blackout protesting- while it did SOME damage, it appears to have ultimately failed.
The same thing applies to Twitter. Mind you, I don't use Twitter except for a handful of times a year... But Reddit was predicting its death by October of LAST YEAR. Well, here we are in JUNE, and while it's absolutely shit, Twitter is still very much alive.
Imagine looking at the dumpster fire that is Twitter post-Musk and thinking that’s an example to emulate rather than a cautionary tale.
I'm going to start by saying I have no desire to see hate speech, nazis and bigots spouting off either; just for the record. That is why I left Twitter pretty quickly after Musk took over. That being said;
If you look at it purely through the lens of free speech absolutists. Twitter is not a dumpster fire. Free speech absolutists are expecting to see all speech. Left, right and center they expect to see it all. Rational people recognize that hate speech and people generally being asshole is something that very few people actually want to sit around and listen to. Therefore, we left. But for the folks who are absolutist--they think Twitter is better than it has ever been.
From a free speech absolutist perspective, Twitter sure censors a lot of stuff.
https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-05-24/under-elon-musk-twitter-has-approved-83-of-censorship-requests-by-authoritarian-governments.html?outputType=amp
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/manipur-violence-twitter-account-of-tribal-leaders-forum-blocked-itlf-kuki-community-2394311-2023-06-17
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/5/2/twitter-fulfilling-more-government-censorship-requests-under-musk
In my experience, free speech absolutists also like to try to artificially signal boost unpopular right-wing views to the point that they appear to be mainstream opinion and decry prohibition of this boosting as censorship, which also runs counter to the idea that they just want to let people speak freely.
I cannot imagine a libertarian contradicting themselves about anything! Perish the thought!
I recently learned of the tolerance paradox which was quite enlightening, the tl;dr is it "states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant."
The way to cut the Gordian Knot of the paradox is that being tolerant of other view points is part of the buy in of the social contract. If you want to participate in a tolerant society, you need to yourself be tolerant of others and those others need to be tolerant of you. By this understanding, if someone is being intolerant of others (racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, etc), then they're already in violation of the social contract and so censoring their speech is within reason.
Fundamentally, there is no need for a paradox if you reframe the idea of tolerance of things you might find uncomfortable to be one of the requirements for participating in an actual society rather than a theoretical one.
I'm not sure that denies the paradox. With your solution, you've set reasonable limits on tolerance (just like Tildes has). However, the paradox is that unlimited tolerance begets bigotry.
I could've phrased my comment better. My point was the key is in how you define tolerance. The "paradox" is really easy to solve if you define unlimited tolerance as you and others in this thread have. If unlimited tolerance means absolute free speech, then the paradox is more of a paradox because even assholes don't want to be around other assholes.
Exactly, or short, a tolerant society has to naturally not tolerate intolerant people.
There's two "Twitters". The social media, and the company. The company is a dumpster fire, and that isn't really up for debate. The social media on the other hand, that is a dumpster fire, but it's up for debate whether it always was one.
I've said this before in other settings, and I'll say it here: Twitter was such a useful resource, that there's a nonzero chance that there are a handful of North Korean accounts.
Unverified, but the possibility still remains.
When you can get the North Koreans to overlook the optics of being a private "customer" to a capitalistic venture based in the U.S., then you know you must have something truly special.
If any of it is true, of course.
I don't think free speech absolutists expect to see all speech, or, if they do, they haven't thought about free speech enough.
It doesn't really make sense to call yourself a free speech advocate and cheer driving away people who disagreed with you. Or the downvotes on the slightest disagreement you see in Libertarian subs.
The internet adds an additional level of complexity on top of that, since you can argue that search engines/recommendation systems by function censor almost all content. When you see "25 billion results" on Google, and Google knows what incredibly small group of people ever get past the first page of results, the argument some GOP members were giving about being censored by not being ranked high on the results would entail that Google is censoring 25 bil - ~20ish entities.
Free speech absolutists are usually just right wingers who don't want people to be able to block them, so they don't think through it that hard ime. Bullet point #3 is one they particularly tend to disagree with.
Did you actually see that yourself or just read about it in the news? I don’t see it in my Twitter feed, but maybe it’s because I avoid people who tweet about politics. I’ve seen the occasional cryptocurrency scam, but that happened before, and it’s less often. I report and block.
He just banned a tesla critique from twitter.
His "free speech absolutism" is only a dog whistle and not a value Musk lives by or thrives twitter to be.
It has gotten worse but slurs and racists are now welcome.
Huffman praising Musk says everything one needs to know about him. I just assumed Huffman would be in the Musk personality cult, now we have confirmation.
God dammit. He went to UVA. I expected better, having gone there myself.
Learning he got laser eye surgery not because it was convenient but for survivalist purposes told me everything about him.
Also relevant BtB on Elon: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-elon-musk-is-being-116660752/
I have had laser eye surgery.
It's clearly not the reason I got it, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that it's crossed my mind that if I ever accidentally got transported back in time to a time before opticians then at least I'll be able to see (while they burn me as a witch).
Reddit saw a ton of people threaten to leave Twitter over a lot of things and then saw very few people actually leave.
I left Twitter when Musk announced all the white supremacists were going to be allowed back on the platform and now a bunch of them are verified.
Reddit said it themselves, it’s profitability over community. That mindset is terrible for growth.
Twitter ad revenue is down 59%. If they are focusing on profitability, what is there to admire?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehamilton/2023/06/05/twitters-us-ad-sales-down-59-despite-musks-breaking-even-claims-report-says/
I'm not surprised, Musk showed that you can yeet a lot more employees than a lot of people think and have a site be more or less operational. The Musk layoffs were very extreme, ~75% after all was said and done, and the site had some hiccups, but it survived the world cup without issue and today is chugging along.
I'm surprised Reddit only had a 5% layoff - maybe they're just thinking of doing more later. The company grew from 750 employees to 2000 from 2021 to now, so I would expect a large, but maybe not Musk sized, layoff to increase margins and maybe get the company profitable. 30-40% maybe?
So why don’t they just shut them off?
Whoever does it first will make headlines.
Sure, but that’s almost more to the point. Twitter isn’t paying those bills because their FCF is presumably lower than their obligations. Laying off employees increases your FCF. Pre layoffs they’d be more underwater.
Your car will also run fine if you skip the yearly routine maintenance, but the eventual break down will be much more severe.
Computer systems don't just stop working overnight. But when something inevitably goes wrong (khm, two factor authentication on twitter for example), there will be no one left to fix it in any orderly manner. Also, in case of such big systems, the accumulated domain knowledge employees have is invaluable and irreplaceable. Throwing all that away has basically made any kind of future progress orders of magnitude slower, and more likely to break other parts of the site.
Maybe, but it's been a while since the Musk layoffs, and if anything the site has stabilized more. They are also still able to hire, which was another question (people wondered if the rough nature of the layoffs would cause them to be a pariah, but they're not having issues hiring now).
To be clear, I work as a software engineer at a tech company in SF. I would love if the path to corporate nirvana for tech companies was to keep hiring my peers at very high pay. But I think the reality is that the vast majority of engineers are R&D and the actual amount required to do KTLO is a small fraction of the employee base for most of them, unlike other types of companies. As interest rates increase, it's going to be more pertinent to lower R&D spending.
Yeah but in that case, the added cost and time lost from the breakdown is a good incentive to avoid it, though.
To someone as rich as Musk, he couldn't give two shits about any of this, because he's worth so much money that neither before nor after such a loss the human mind can viably imagine it to assign any real value to it.
It definitely affects Musk, as he is an egoistic man-child who thought he was smart, yet his company’s successes were all in spite of him, not because of him.
Fortunately thanks to his mishandling of this whole Twitter situation, more people have become aware of him being hardly more than a scammer. Also, millionaire don’t have their money liquidated — he put up quite a lot of Tesla shares in exchange, so losing that will hurt him.
Twitter works less reliably for me these days. They blocked reverse chronological sorting on the search query I was using to read it. But mostly usable, sure.
I'm honestly a bit confused what Reddit has 2000 people for. 1500+ Customer Support due to the size?
Nope, all engineers.
Is this a joke or are you serious? Reddit has huge amounts of "business development" employees, marketing people, salespeople, trust and safety teams, HR, etc
Just an FYI, your comment comes across as pretty aggressive. It’s probably not the best way to communicate what you are trying to communicate.
It takes a lot of people to design a video player that bad
There's a joke that's something along the lines of
"How long would it take you to make a video player?"
"One week."
"How long if we assign 20 people to it?"
"20 weeks."
All this reddit news just makes me sad. Many years ago, I used to look at reddit as a diamond in the rough. Sad to see what's happening to it. What's even sadder is in the back of my head I think I know that he's probably right. The internet has a short attention span, and their upset rage will pass. Even if 75% of the users left, you would still have enough people on the platform to regrow and continue. And once the internet mostly forgets about this, he'll be set up with a platform that is able to make the company more money than it was able to before. I feel defeated... I loved my third party app.. :(
But hey, you're here and part of a better community now! Tildes definitely isn't a one-to-one replacement for Reddit (it's not supposed to be), but if the community is the most important part of a website then we can always rebuild somewhere better. There's already an iOS app in open beta, and the creator of Reddit is Fun is also working on a cross-platform app!
Reddit actually just doubled-down on NSFW by allowing NSFW uploads to
i.redd.itthrough the website, so I don't think this is going to happen.The media tour isn't for the users; it's for the future investors in the IPO and reassure current investors. Looking at it through that lens, it makes a lot more sense. He's still making a lot of flubs, but I think that just speaks to his relative inexperience; I don't see him being a sacrificial lamb, here.
Isn't this basically what happened before with Ellen Pao, where some changes unpopular with the community where implemented, she took a lot of hate, resigned, and spez was filling the "good cop" role?
Yeah and they all went to r/conservative instead. I would argue banning r/the_donald had close to zero effect on the reddit platform, except as optics so they can say “see we care!”
Sad that reddit originally said they weren’t trying to pull a Twitter with their API prices and now it seems like they are trying to pull a Twitter.
That is probably true, thinking about it now I’m not sure I ventured into r/all much until after r/the_donald was banned.
Side note, being able to filter subreddits from the r/all feed was a really nice feature in Apollo :(
Maybe Huffman is hoping to get Reddit bought out by private foreign investment and flip Reddit into a bigger perpetual foreign influence operation than twitter?
Reddit tends to make a lot of noise about things that ultimately become "nothingburgers", to use that particular phrase. Reddit is still very much alive and kicking despite the blackout protesting- while it did SOME damage, it appears to have ultimately failed.
The same thing applies to Twitter. Mind you, I don't use Twitter except for a handful of times a year... But Reddit was predicting its death by October of LAST YEAR. Well, here we are in JUNE, and while it's absolutely shit, Twitter is still very much alive.