Anecdotally, my own 14 Pro is down below 90% after ~9 months of use. The issue is compounded by pretty bad battery even at 100% capacity. Definitely the biggest aspect that makes me regret this...
Anecdotally, my own 14 Pro is down below 90% after ~9 months of use. The issue is compounded by pretty bad battery even at 100% capacity. Definitely the biggest aspect that makes me regret this device, as my previous phone lasted longer despite being 3 years old at that point.
Got my iPhone 13 a year and 2 months ago. It's at 96%. This thread is completely anecdotal but it seems like there is huge difference between iPhone generations?
Got my iPhone 13 a year and 2 months ago. It's at 96%. This thread is completely anecdotal but it seems like there is huge difference between iPhone generations?
I think it's something else than generation, probably it's more related to environment and usage: I've had my iPhone 13 for 19 months now, my battery is at 89%...
I think it's something else than generation, probably it's more related to environment and usage: I've had my iPhone 13 for 19 months now, my battery is at 89%...
Do you know how many charge cycles you’re at? Just for comparison, my iPhone 12 Pro is three years old and its battery is at 549 charge cycles at the moment. The maximum capacity is reported as...
Do you know how many charge cycles you’re at? Just for comparison, my iPhone 12 Pro is three years old and its battery is at 549 charge cycles at the moment. The maximum capacity is reported as 90% by the Settings app.
That’s amazing. I’m not sure how many charge cycles I’m at currently, but I have had my iPhone 12 Pro since late October 2020, and I normally charge it overnight. My battery health is currently at...
That’s amazing. I’m not sure how many charge cycles I’m at currently, but I have had my iPhone 12 Pro since late October 2020, and I normally charge it overnight. My battery health is currently at 78%. Moderate usage will usually have my phone near dead around early evening.
I have a 14 Pro Max that I got on release day, so almost 11 months ago now. Based on my battery usage summary, I use my phone actively 6 hours/day (4 hours/day idly) on average. My battery...
I have a 14 Pro Max that I got on release day, so almost 11 months ago now.
Based on my battery usage summary, I use my phone actively 6 hours/day (4 hours/day idly) on average. My battery capacity is reported to be at 95%. On a practical level, I charge my phone every night and haven’t given much thought to the battery life throughout the day.
Anecdotally, this highlights how much “better” the Pro Max battery is compared to the standard and Pro models. That’s not particularly surprising, as the Pro Max battery is 35% larger than the Pro (4323mAh vs 3200mAh). In general, more capacity with the same discharge rate results in a longer lasting battery.
However, I suspect other factors are at play given how much degradation you (and others in this thread) have experienced in such a short period of time.
Beyond screen and battery size, the Pro and Pro Max have identical processors and RAM. Granted the Pro Max screen is only 10% larger, so it’s got a substantially higher battery to screen ratio, which is probably an important factor.
Other things may be affecting the Pro too. Perhaps it’s related to heat dissipation in the smaller chassis? A software issue with applications or the OS? Different battery management habits?
In any case, hopefully Apple is able to investigate it more thoroughly and can address it in the 15 models. I suspect they will drop some of the specs of the Pro model in September (if we can trust the rumour mill), which may inadvertently increase battery life.
My iPhone 14 Pro (non-max) is at 100% capacity according to the settings app. I got this phone on release as well. Charged every night. Used about the same amount of time each days as yours.
My iPhone 14 Pro (non-max) is at 100% capacity according to the settings app. I got this phone on release as well. Charged every night. Used about the same amount of time each days as yours.
Adding to the pile. My 14 Pro is also at 100% and I charge it regularly using a wireless charger. My active/idle is 4h/2h and my top apps are video playing apps like YouTube. There’s clearly more...
Adding to the pile.
My 14 Pro is also at 100% and I charge it regularly using a wireless charger. My active/idle is 4h/2h and my top apps are video playing apps like YouTube.
There’s clearly more to this than just 14 bad or iOS bad. Maybe some of us got lucky in the battery game or maybe some didn’t. Maybe usage and charging times are different.
I do think heat could be a factor. This thing heats up like crazy when the processor goes hard. The first time it happened I was shocked, I couldn’t believe Apple would sell a phone that gets so...
I do think heat could be a factor. This thing heats up like crazy when the processor goes hard. The first time it happened I was shocked, I couldn’t believe Apple would sell a phone that gets so hot during ‘normal use.’ Never had I had an iPhone get so hot before this one.
I wonder if it had to do with wireless charging. I got a Mophie charging mat with my 11 and it’s extremely finicky about needing to be exactly centered to properly charge, especially if you have a...
I wonder if it had to do with wireless charging. I got a Mophie charging mat with my 11 and it’s extremely finicky about needing to be exactly centered to properly charge, especially if you have a case on it. And it tends to heat up as it does so, quite a bit if it’s not properly centered. I’ve normally been okay with battery life on phones after 3-4 years but this one started to degrade within 2.
And the past couple of years I got a car with a wireless charger built in. In the heat of summer I’ve noticed it has occasionally shuts off charging and put the phone in low power mode because it’s too hot in car.
Interesting, I’m also 9 months in and my 14 Pro is somehow still at 100% battery health. I mostly use it for reading social media (mostly apollo before it died) and discord, no gaming and limited...
Interesting, I’m also 9 months in and my 14 Pro is somehow still at 100% battery health.
I mostly use it for reading social media (mostly apollo before it died) and discord, no gaming and limited video.
As another anecdote, my non-pro 14 I got shortly after launch is still at 100%. Maybe it’s just a lottery kind of things; quality just varies between batches.
As another anecdote, my non-pro 14 I got shortly after launch is still at 100%.
Maybe it’s just a lottery kind of things; quality just varies between batches.
I'll just share a tip with you thats helpful. If you create an automation in Shortcuts that is triggered when LowPowerMode is switched off, to retoggle it back on, then switch it on once, it will...
I'll just share a tip with you thats helpful. If you create an automation in Shortcuts that is triggered when LowPowerMode is switched off, to retoggle it back on, then switch it on once, it will automatically stay that way forever.
Everytime it switches itself off, it will reenable and I have found it to make quite a difference.
I’m using an iPhone SE 2nd generation. The battery lasts all day with decent use. Yesterday I took a 5 hour flight and had Spotify playing offline in airplane mode the whole time and this took me...
I’m using an iPhone SE 2nd generation. The battery lasts all day with decent use. Yesterday I took a 5 hour flight and had Spotify playing offline in airplane mode the whole time and this took me from about 95% to 75% which doesn’t seem too bad.
I feel like there’s a lag/lead where the features improve faster than the battery density so getting the year with all the features brand new means they are probably heavy on the battery unless they also announce significant capacity increases.
Anecdotally the main thing I miss on my phone is a decent camera and a better screen to a lesser extent. But if you don’t really care too much about those then try an SE maybe one year.
Just to add my 2c: same phone, probably a similar age (~3 years), and I’m at 80% max capacity. I guess I use my phone a lot more, but I can’t get useful historical data on that, so it’s hard to...
Just to add my 2c: same phone, probably a similar age (~3 years), and I’m at 80% max capacity. I guess I use my phone a lot more, but I can’t get useful historical data on that, so it’s hard to tell.
The phone easily runs dry on an average day, so it sits on low wattage wireless chargers whenever I’m at a desk. Anecdotally — since I have no data — iOS always tries to put a full charge on the device despite 80% being fine most of the time. I would love a button to indicate that I want a full charge, but Apple locks that API down.
That’s actually worse than I’d expect on airplane mode. I might have to repeat the experiment with Apple Music, I wonder if they have access to a low power execution mode that Spotify doesn’t.
That’s actually worse than I’d expect on airplane mode. I might have to repeat the experiment with Apple Music, I wonder if they have access to a low power execution mode that Spotify doesn’t.
Some random speculation: Temperature affects batteries. This past year in the US (and elsewhere) it has been generally hotter than previous years. This isn’t something that would affect only...
Some random speculation:
Temperature affects batteries. This past year in the US (and elsewhere) it has been generally hotter than previous years. This isn’t something that would affect only iPhone batteries, though.
Maybe more people with the latest iPhones are opting for wireless charging? That supposedly can be bad for long term battery health. Again, not iPhone nor iPhone 14 model specific. (Though, iPhones will pause wireless charging if they get too hot in order to preserve battery health.)
Maybe there was a quality control issue with the batteries in last year’s models?
Maybe there was a software issue in iOS that impacted performance or is continuing to do so? Over the years, Apple has added some battery charging optimization settings like “Optimized Battery Charging” (which uses battery charging history to try to predict your overnight charging to charge past 80% later in the charge cycle to prolong battery health). There is also the “Clean Energy Charging” feature which selectively charges using lower carbon emission electricity based on your geolocation. Maybe one or both of these settings have had bugs or unintended side effects or have some unintended interaction with each other?
Anecdotally, my iPhone 14 Pro still has 98% of maximum capacity, and I’d say I use my phone moderately to heavily most days—mostly for web browsing, navigation, music, and messaging. I charge nightly with a MagSafe wireless charger and I also have an external MagSafe battery pack to extend the built-in battery capacity during days when I will be reliant on my phone for navigation for long durations (such as long car trips in unfamiliar areas, or hiking with AllTrails navigation, or both).
The other way. Li-ion batteries work better at higher temperatures within their operational range. Outside this range you get degradation, but iirc that's 60 °C for li-ion. Weather is less of a...
Temperature affects batteries
The other way. Li-ion batteries work better at higher temperatures within their operational range. Outside this range you get degradation, but iirc that's 60 °C for li-ion. Weather is less of a risk than mobile games.
Relates to the kind of charging. If you do it too fast, you may overheat it, leading to degradation, otherwise you should see no difference.
I was referring to the effect of overall battery health degradation from cycling at high temperatures, not the effect of higher temperatures on any particular cycle.
14 pro, bought near launch, 93% battery health One thing I’ve definitely noticed is that my battery life is generally fine unless I use it outdoors. The outdoor brightness is now double what it...
14 pro, bought near launch, 93% battery health
One thing I’ve definitely noticed is that my battery life is generally fine unless I use it outdoors. The outdoor brightness is now double what it used to be and I noticed that it will rapidly Tank my battery and get the phone really hot. This could easily be the culprit behind such widespread battery issues, especially since we’ve only now been in the peak sunlight season since launch
Good point—there are lots of year-over-year hardware differences that make new phones more efficient in battery usage, but screen brightness is the opposite. I tend to keep my screen brightness on...
Good point—there are lots of year-over-year hardware differences that make new phones more efficient in battery usage, but screen brightness is the opposite. I tend to keep my screen brightness on the lower end, so this seems a very plausible explanation to me.
Since we’re adding anecdotes, mine is at 100% still and I use it throughout the day and generally fall asleep to YouTube playing at night. I purchased it at release.
Since we’re adding anecdotes, mine is at 100% still and I use it throughout the day and generally fall asleep to YouTube playing at night. I purchased it at release.
99% capacity with 168 cycles here on a launch day 14 Pro Max. It's served as a development device for much of its life meaning it spends a lot of time plugged in and is sporadically fast charged...
99% capacity with 168 cycles here on a launch day 14 Pro Max. It's served as a development device for much of its life meaning it spends a lot of time plugged in and is sporadically fast charged as needed. It very rarely is running anything that might get it hot, and the only things I can remember running on it that were battery hogs were social media clients (Reddit, Twitter).
The only thing I can figure is that usage patterns vary wildly between users, and some patterns are much more detrimental to battery health than others.
My 14 pro max is still 100% battery health as well, got it a few weeks after launch. Pretty much always charged it with MagSafe as well. Best battery life by far and much better than my XS Max...
My 14 pro max is still 100% battery health as well, got it a few weeks after launch.
Pretty much always charged it with MagSafe as well.
Best battery life by far and much better than my XS Max which was down to 87% when I got the Pro Max
So i’ve been arguing apple since before mortals had acces to the internet ;) Seriously, there is a trade-off between accessibility of the innards and durability. Everyone hates the glue, but it...
So i’ve been arguing apple since before mortals had acces to the internet ;)
Seriously, there is a trade-off between accessibility of the innards and durability. Everyone hates the glue, but it helps with dirt and water penetration, and keeps the thing more structurally resilient to impacts.
An easily replaceable battery compromises that. There’s probably a way, but note all premium manufacturers went the Apple way shortly after Apple did.
I’ll add to the anecdata: my 11 pro max purchased January 2020 is at 83% max capacity. 100% wirelessly charged since early 2021 when I managed to jam pocket lint deep in the port. I don’t see the...
I’ll add to the anecdata: my 11 pro max purchased January 2020 is at 83% max capacity. 100% wirelessly charged since early 2021 when I managed to jam pocket lint deep in the port. I don’t see the number of cycles in settings. Over the last 10 days, I averaged 6:26 with the screen on and 4:05 with it off.
Total anecdotally and not specifically iPhone 14 related (though mine is also at 100% after about 9 months), but I have always generally gotten better battery health/life than most friends and...
Total anecdotally and not specifically iPhone 14 related (though mine is also at 100% after about 9 months), but I have always generally gotten better battery health/life than most friends and families. From what I gather, most people have their phone on 24/7 and I have always turned mine off every night. So I "use it" about a 1/3 less.
(This is a lower comment because I didn't know how to reply and its more helpful as a top level comment) I'll just share a tip with you thats helpful. If you create an automation in Shortcuts that...
(This is a lower comment because I didn't know how to reply and its more helpful as a top level comment)
I'll just share a tip with you thats helpful. If you create an automation in Shortcuts that is triggered when LowPowerMode is switched off, to retoggle it back on, then switch it on once, it will automatically stay that way forever.
Everytime it switches itself off, it will reenable and I have found it to make quite a difference.
Why would it be an awful company with awful products? It has its fair share of problems as every other company, but they have some truly great products and their stance on privacy is very welcome...
Why would it be an awful company with awful products? It has its fair share of problems as every other company, but they have some truly great products and their stance on privacy is very welcome in the mobile space.
Apple is a mixed bag. It is actively hostile to repair, when most other companies "only" don't care (look up Louis Rossman, it's really bad). It's stance on privacy is better, but only because...
Apple is a mixed bag. It is actively hostile to repair, when most other companies "only" don't care (look up Louis Rossman, it's really bad). It's stance on privacy is better, but only because they don't make money from ads. Their products have great performance and an ecosystem that is second to none. Their processors are the fastest and most energy efficient in the market (especially the laptop market). The OS is very polished but extremely locked down. Sufficed to say: it's not a black and white thing.
“Only because they don’t make money from ads” is quite an editorialized take. There are many other reasons they could collect data, but they don’t or provide you with clear communication and...
“Only because they don’t make money from ads” is quite an editorialized take. There are many other reasons they could collect data, but they don’t or provide you with clear communication and options. I’d argue that they find it valuable to be considered privacy-minded when their competitors are clearly not.
I am only talking about their share of the smartphone market here, but I cannot recall a single flagship phone that launched in 2022-2023 that doesn't have a glued-on back that requires special...
I am only talking about their share of the smartphone market here, but I cannot recall a single flagship phone that launched in 2022-2023 that doesn't have a glued-on back that requires special tools to remove, nor do any of them have official replacement parts available for purchase by the average consumer.
My point is, every large company is hostile to repair.
Well, that's part of the story. Whereas most companies "only" do what you describe, Apple goes the extra mile. One example is with Iphone cameras. With normal phones, you can switch cameras, no...
Well, that's part of the story. Whereas most companies "only" do what you describe, Apple goes the extra mile. One example is with Iphone cameras. With normal phones, you can switch cameras, no problem: you can even use unoriginal replacements if they exist. With Apple, a recent change makes it that your camera is attatched to your serial number. This means you cannot even use a 100% new original Apple camera. There are many more examples like this where Apple puts in significantly more effort to limit repairability, as opposed to other companies.
At the same time, that makes stealing Apple devices that much less attractive, which I do consider a plus. Also, even with this supposedly anti-repair stance, I have just passed down my old,...
At the same time, that makes stealing Apple devices that much less attractive, which I do consider a plus.
Also, even with this supposedly anti-repair stance, I have just passed down my old, second-hand iphone to my mother who will easily make use of it for 2 more years, resulting in 7-8 years of usage, not stopped by lacking software updates. Only recently have Samsung's flagships started promising something like 3 years?!
So Apple devices do "work" throughout their whole lifetime with a booming second-hand market, which makes me much more forgiving about them, as that is clearly the greenest way we could operate.
My biggest gripe with apple is that they encourage discrimination against people not using their products, which is a huge chunk of the world. Their goal is to make things harder (i.e. limiting...
My biggest gripe with apple is that they encourage discrimination against people not using their products, which is a huge chunk of the world. Their goal is to make things harder (i.e. limiting access to shows/apps/communication in hopes they'll buy apple hardware) to the extent that even their own services lack basic competent web based interfaces as well.
It's just basically a "fuck you" to anyone who doesn't want to own or can't afford their hardware. Exclusivity I can live with in the game world where it's all... games. But these services extend to basic communication or payments.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I've had excellent experiences with them. Going to an iPhone was a breath of fresh air after sticking with Samsung for ~5 or so years from the S3 to the S8. The M1 macbook is probably...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I've had excellent experiences with them. Going to an iPhone was a breath of fresh air after sticking with Samsung for ~5 or so years from the S3 to the S8. The M1 macbook is probably the best overall computer I've ever used in my life. I plan on continuing to buy from this awe-some company with its awe-some products.
I find its not as simple as them being awful. They make really good stuff for the most part but at the same time they make bad design choices and then don't really buck up and admit there's a...
I find its not as simple as them being awful. They make really good stuff for the most part but at the same time they make bad design choices and then don't really buck up and admit there's a problem.
In the laptop space I will make the argument time and again that for most people the M1 Air (edit, i meant ARM based airs in general) is the ultimate laptop for portability/travel as long as you don't care about reparability.
For cell phones I could basically take or leave most hardware out there, but coming at it from my standpoint of wanting a base level of privacy while being usable... iOS is kind of where its at. I'm using GrapheneOS right now and its ok but like... its a mild pain.
I’m quite happy with my pro 13. Battery is still fine after heavy use, and they have multiple stores around me which will replace the battery for a cheap price. Had a pixel 2 before and found the...
I’m quite happy with my pro 13. Battery is still fine after heavy use, and they have multiple stores around me which will replace the battery for a cheap price.
Had a pixel 2 before and found the support to be appalling. Google has no online support and no physical stores. Had to take my phone to an unofficial location which told me that pixels sometimes smash while replacing the battery and they take no responsibility for it.
Meanwhile Apple will give me a brand new phone if they damage mine.
Anecdotally, my own 14 Pro is down below 90% after ~9 months of use. The issue is compounded by pretty bad battery even at 100% capacity. Definitely the biggest aspect that makes me regret this device, as my previous phone lasted longer despite being 3 years old at that point.
Same here on a 12 Mini. It’s pretty sad to get low battery stress after what seems like a regular day of usage.
Last year in march I got the battery of my iPhone 11 replaced. Now (17 month later) I am already at 83% capacity.
Got my iPhone 13 a year and 2 months ago. It's at 96%. This thread is completely anecdotal but it seems like there is huge difference between iPhone generations?
I think it's something else than generation, probably it's more related to environment and usage: I've had my iPhone 13 for 19 months now, my battery is at 89%...
I am curious if they changed battery manufacturers. I don’t think the chip and how it uses the battery could have changed so much.
Sheesh. My 4-year-old XR with its original battery is at 82%.
Do you know how many charge cycles you’re at? Just for comparison, my iPhone 12 Pro is three years old and its battery is at 549 charge cycles at the moment. The maximum capacity is reported as 90% by the Settings app.
That’s amazing. I’m not sure how many charge cycles I’m at currently, but I have had my iPhone 12 Pro since late October 2020, and I normally charge it overnight. My battery health is currently at 78%. Moderate usage will usually have my phone near dead around early evening.
I have a 14 Pro Max that I got on release day, so almost 11 months ago now.
Based on my battery usage summary, I use my phone actively 6 hours/day (4 hours/day idly) on average. My battery capacity is reported to be at 95%. On a practical level, I charge my phone every night and haven’t given much thought to the battery life throughout the day.
Anecdotally, this highlights how much “better” the Pro Max battery is compared to the standard and Pro models. That’s not particularly surprising, as the Pro Max battery is 35% larger than the Pro (4323mAh vs 3200mAh). In general, more capacity with the same discharge rate results in a longer lasting battery.
However, I suspect other factors are at play given how much degradation you (and others in this thread) have experienced in such a short period of time.
Beyond screen and battery size, the Pro and Pro Max have identical processors and RAM. Granted the Pro Max screen is only 10% larger, so it’s got a substantially higher battery to screen ratio, which is probably an important factor.
Other things may be affecting the Pro too. Perhaps it’s related to heat dissipation in the smaller chassis? A software issue with applications or the OS? Different battery management habits?
In any case, hopefully Apple is able to investigate it more thoroughly and can address it in the 15 models. I suspect they will drop some of the specs of the Pro model in September (if we can trust the rumour mill), which may inadvertently increase battery life.
My iPhone 14 Pro (non-max) is at 100% capacity according to the settings app. I got this phone on release as well. Charged every night. Used about the same amount of time each days as yours.
Adding to the pile.
My 14 Pro is also at 100% and I charge it regularly using a wireless charger. My active/idle is 4h/2h and my top apps are video playing apps like YouTube.
There’s clearly more to this than just 14 bad or iOS bad. Maybe some of us got lucky in the battery game or maybe some didn’t. Maybe usage and charging times are different.
I do think heat could be a factor. This thing heats up like crazy when the processor goes hard. The first time it happened I was shocked, I couldn’t believe Apple would sell a phone that gets so hot during ‘normal use.’ Never had I had an iPhone get so hot before this one.
I wonder if it had to do with wireless charging. I got a Mophie charging mat with my 11 and it’s extremely finicky about needing to be exactly centered to properly charge, especially if you have a case on it. And it tends to heat up as it does so, quite a bit if it’s not properly centered. I’ve normally been okay with battery life on phones after 3-4 years but this one started to degrade within 2.
And the past couple of years I got a car with a wireless charger built in. In the heat of summer I’ve noticed it has occasionally shuts off charging and put the phone in low power mode because it’s too hot in car.
Interesting, I’m also 9 months in and my 14 Pro is somehow still at 100% battery health.
I mostly use it for reading social media (mostly apollo before it died) and discord, no gaming and limited video.
As another anecdote, my non-pro 14 I got shortly after launch is still at 100%.
Maybe it’s just a lottery kind of things; quality just varies between batches.
Do you use a lot of wireless charging or a particularly rapid fast charger? Both will degrade your battery faster.
I'll just share a tip with you thats helpful. If you create an automation in Shortcuts that is triggered when LowPowerMode is switched off, to retoggle it back on, then switch it on once, it will automatically stay that way forever.
Everytime it switches itself off, it will reenable and I have found it to make quite a difference.
I’m using an iPhone SE 2nd generation. The battery lasts all day with decent use. Yesterday I took a 5 hour flight and had Spotify playing offline in airplane mode the whole time and this took me from about 95% to 75% which doesn’t seem too bad.
I feel like there’s a lag/lead where the features improve faster than the battery density so getting the year with all the features brand new means they are probably heavy on the battery unless they also announce significant capacity increases.
Anecdotally the main thing I miss on my phone is a decent camera and a better screen to a lesser extent. But if you don’t really care too much about those then try an SE maybe one year.
Just to add my 2c: same phone, probably a similar age (~3 years), and I’m at 80% max capacity. I guess I use my phone a lot more, but I can’t get useful historical data on that, so it’s hard to tell.
The phone easily runs dry on an average day, so it sits on low wattage wireless chargers whenever I’m at a desk. Anecdotally — since I have no data — iOS always tries to put a full charge on the device despite 80% being fine most of the time. I would love a button to indicate that I want a full charge, but Apple locks that API down.
Snap my capacity is also 80% exactly :)
Mine does the slow charge thing overnight to try to not charge too aggressively.
That’s actually worse than I’d expect on airplane mode. I might have to repeat the experiment with Apple Music, I wonder if they have access to a low power execution mode that Spotify doesn’t.
Some random speculation:
Temperature affects batteries. This past year in the US (and elsewhere) it has been generally hotter than previous years. This isn’t something that would affect only iPhone batteries, though.
Maybe more people with the latest iPhones are opting for wireless charging? That supposedly can be bad for long term battery health. Again, not iPhone nor iPhone 14 model specific. (Though, iPhones will pause wireless charging if they get too hot in order to preserve battery health.)
Maybe there was a quality control issue with the batteries in last year’s models?
Maybe there was a software issue in iOS that impacted performance or is continuing to do so? Over the years, Apple has added some battery charging optimization settings like “Optimized Battery Charging” (which uses battery charging history to try to predict your overnight charging to charge past 80% later in the charge cycle to prolong battery health). There is also the “Clean Energy Charging” feature which selectively charges using lower carbon emission electricity based on your geolocation. Maybe one or both of these settings have had bugs or unintended side effects or have some unintended interaction with each other?
Anecdotally, my iPhone 14 Pro still has 98% of maximum capacity, and I’d say I use my phone moderately to heavily most days—mostly for web browsing, navigation, music, and messaging. I charge nightly with a MagSafe wireless charger and I also have an external MagSafe battery pack to extend the built-in battery capacity during days when I will be reliant on my phone for navigation for long durations (such as long car trips in unfamiliar areas, or hiking with AllTrails navigation, or both).
The other way. Li-ion batteries work better at higher temperatures within their operational range. Outside this range you get degradation, but iirc that's 60 °C for li-ion. Weather is less of a risk than mobile games.
Relates to the kind of charging. If you do it too fast, you may overheat it, leading to degradation, otherwise you should see no difference.
Maybe iOS gaming is on the rise? :p
I was referring to the effect of overall battery health degradation from cycling at high temperatures, not the effect of higher temperatures on any particular cycle.
25 vs 35 °C means 2 percentage points' difference per year or so. We're talking 10. And as you already said, it would be shared with Android.
14 pro, bought near launch, 93% battery health
One thing I’ve definitely noticed is that my battery life is generally fine unless I use it outdoors. The outdoor brightness is now double what it used to be and I noticed that it will rapidly Tank my battery and get the phone really hot. This could easily be the culprit behind such widespread battery issues, especially since we’ve only now been in the peak sunlight season since launch
Good point—there are lots of year-over-year hardware differences that make new phones more efficient in battery usage, but screen brightness is the opposite. I tend to keep my screen brightness on the lower end, so this seems a very plausible explanation to me.
Checked and mine is 96% after 11 months of pretty heavy daily usage.
Since we’re adding anecdotes, mine is at 100% still and I use it throughout the day and generally fall asleep to YouTube playing at night. I purchased it at release.
99% capacity with 168 cycles here on a launch day 14 Pro Max. It's served as a development device for much of its life meaning it spends a lot of time plugged in and is sporadically fast charged as needed. It very rarely is running anything that might get it hot, and the only things I can remember running on it that were battery hogs were social media clients (Reddit, Twitter).
The only thing I can figure is that usage patterns vary wildly between users, and some patterns are much more detrimental to battery health than others.
My 14 pro max is still 100% battery health as well, got it a few weeks after launch.
Pretty much always charged it with MagSafe as well.
Best battery life by far and much better than my XS Max which was down to 87% when I got the Pro Max
So i’ve been arguing apple since before mortals had acces to the internet ;)
Seriously, there is a trade-off between accessibility of the innards and durability. Everyone hates the glue, but it helps with dirt and water penetration, and keeps the thing more structurally resilient to impacts.
An easily replaceable battery compromises that. There’s probably a way, but note all premium manufacturers went the Apple way shortly after Apple did.
100% club, though I only got my 13 back in March. Default charging settings and I just plug it into a cable every night.
I’ll add to the anecdata: my 11 pro max purchased January 2020 is at 83% max capacity. 100% wirelessly charged since early 2021 when I managed to jam pocket lint deep in the port. I don’t see the number of cycles in settings. Over the last 10 days, I averaged 6:26 with the screen on and 4:05 with it off.
Total anecdotally and not specifically iPhone 14 related (though mine is also at 100% after about 9 months), but I have always generally gotten better battery health/life than most friends and families. From what I gather, most people have their phone on 24/7 and I have always turned mine off every night. So I "use it" about a 1/3 less.
(This is a lower comment because I didn't know how to reply and its more helpful as a top level comment)
I'll just share a tip with you thats helpful. If you create an automation in Shortcuts that is triggered when LowPowerMode is switched off, to retoggle it back on, then switch it on once, it will automatically stay that way forever.
Everytime it switches itself off, it will reenable and I have found it to make quite a difference.
I just wish people would drop this aweful company with its aweful products.
Why would it be an awful company with awful products? It has its fair share of problems as every other company, but they have some truly great products and their stance on privacy is very welcome in the mobile space.
Apple is a mixed bag. It is actively hostile to repair, when most other companies "only" don't care (look up Louis Rossman, it's really bad). It's stance on privacy is better, but only because they don't make money from ads. Their products have great performance and an ecosystem that is second to none. Their processors are the fastest and most energy efficient in the market (especially the laptop market). The OS is very polished but extremely locked down. Sufficed to say: it's not a black and white thing.
“Only because they don’t make money from ads” is quite an editorialized take. There are many other reasons they could collect data, but they don’t or provide you with clear communication and options. I’d argue that they find it valuable to be considered privacy-minded when their competitors are clearly not.
That's what I was trying to say: they don't make money from ads which makes it more profitable to be considered privacy friendly.
I am only talking about their share of the smartphone market here, but I cannot recall a single flagship phone that launched in 2022-2023 that doesn't have a glued-on back that requires special tools to remove, nor do any of them have official replacement parts available for purchase by the average consumer.
My point is, every large company is hostile to repair.
Well, that's part of the story. Whereas most companies "only" do what you describe, Apple goes the extra mile. One example is with Iphone cameras. With normal phones, you can switch cameras, no problem: you can even use unoriginal replacements if they exist. With Apple, a recent change makes it that your camera is attatched to your serial number. This means you cannot even use a 100% new original Apple camera. There are many more examples like this where Apple puts in significantly more effort to limit repairability, as opposed to other companies.
Edit: cameras, not batteries
At the same time, that makes stealing Apple devices that much less attractive, which I do consider a plus.
Also, even with this supposedly anti-repair stance, I have just passed down my old, second-hand iphone to my mother who will easily make use of it for 2 more years, resulting in 7-8 years of usage, not stopped by lacking software updates. Only recently have Samsung's flagships started promising something like 3 years?!
So Apple devices do "work" throughout their whole lifetime with a booming second-hand market, which makes me much more forgiving about them, as that is clearly the greenest way we could operate.
That's fair. In reality I don't see many Android devices getting more than 3 years of use, and they only really get used by one person.
My biggest gripe with apple is that they encourage discrimination against people not using their products, which is a huge chunk of the world. Their goal is to make things harder (i.e. limiting access to shows/apps/communication in hopes they'll buy apple hardware) to the extent that even their own services lack basic competent web based interfaces as well.
It's just basically a "fuck you" to anyone who doesn't want to own or can't afford their hardware. Exclusivity I can live with in the game world where it's all... games. But these services extend to basic communication or payments.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I've had excellent experiences with them. Going to an iPhone was a breath of fresh air after sticking with Samsung for ~5 or so years from the S3 to the S8. The M1 macbook is probably the best overall computer I've ever used in my life. I plan on continuing to buy from this awe-some company with its awe-some products.
I find its not as simple as them being awful. They make really good stuff for the most part but at the same time they make bad design choices and then don't really buck up and admit there's a problem.
In the laptop space I will make the argument time and again that for most people the M1 Air (edit, i meant ARM based airs in general) is the ultimate laptop for portability/travel as long as you don't care about reparability.
For cell phones I could basically take or leave most hardware out there, but coming at it from my standpoint of wanting a base level of privacy while being usable... iOS is kind of where its at. I'm using GrapheneOS right now and its ok but like... its a mild pain.
I’m quite happy with my pro 13. Battery is still fine after heavy use, and they have multiple stores around me which will replace the battery for a cheap price.
Had a pixel 2 before and found the support to be appalling. Google has no online support and no physical stores. Had to take my phone to an unofficial location which told me that pixels sometimes smash while replacing the battery and they take no responsibility for it.
Meanwhile Apple will give me a brand new phone if they damage mine.