The Sapply test seems to be focused around current political discussions in the usa, and I expect based on the american situation even though not explicitly stated: (e.g. "The current welfare...
The Sapply test seems to be focused around current political discussions in the usa, and I expect based on the american situation even though not explicitly stated: (e.g. "The current welfare system should be expanded to further combat inequality.", "The police was not made to protect the people, but to uphold the status-quo by force."). Not sure if there are other better tests though, but the result may be skewed because people live in areas with different current setup or because they don't know the american system as well as americans.
Yeah, this is another case of "I don't know what you're asking here." Are you asking if that is the case, or whether that should be the case? Because I have different answers for those.
"The police was not made to protect the people, but to uphold the status-quo by force."
Yeah, this is another case of "I don't know what you're asking here." Are you asking if that is the case, or whether that should be the case? Because I have different answers for those.
It's also a very broad question. I don't know that there's any one honest answer that applies to all places and all contexts. For all I know, there are places where the police forces were created...
It's also a very broad question. I don't know that there's any one honest answer that applies to all places and all contexts. For all I know, there are places where the police forces were created to protect the people.
That's true, but there's definitely a narrative right now among progressives (and I don't know how true it is) that police orgs were founded for racist and anti-worker purposes and that they...
That's true, but there's definitely a narrative right now among progressives (and I don't know how true it is) that police orgs were founded for racist and anti-worker purposes and that they didn't just evolve into what we have now.
In many cases it probably didn't need to be "intended" as a conscious choice, but they make all the decisions that are consistent with that position because everyone involved in the...
In many cases it probably didn't need to be "intended" as a conscious choice, but they make all the decisions that are consistent with that position because everyone involved in the decision-making carries White Supremacist beliefs by default.
I agree with this. That's exactly the reason I'm not particularly fond of the question, because it only asks about "was made to" which imo implies intention
I agree with this. That's exactly the reason I'm not particularly fond of the question, because it only asks about "was made to" which imo implies intention
To be honest, the more political questionaires we cycle through, the more I think just making our and making it part of the census would be the best. The problem is that you'll always have...
To be honest, the more political questionaires we cycle through, the more I think just making our and making it part of the census would be the best. The problem is that you'll always have different baselines to work off depending on where you are located.
Yeah, I agree. That was a poorly designed psychometric test. They require context to answer, and that makes me believe the results will be constructs that are not applicable to the labels the...
Yeah, I agree. That was a poorly designed psychometric test. They require context to answer, and that makes me believe the results will be constructs that are not applicable to the labels the questionnaire provided. I just took a look at the graphs and found the coordinates that I think I would most likely fall under.
It's easier said than done though to build a survey that is without flaws. I can't imagine a good way to get a good measure on this stuff unless you could find out what advertisers have you labelled as after collecting all online data.
I took the Supply test a while back, and it said I was auth-left. Now that they have changed a few questions, it says I am auth-right. It really should be more consistent so people can get a...
I took the Supply test a while back, and it said I was auth-left. Now that they have changed a few questions, it says I am auth-right. It really should be more consistent so people can get a straight answer.
This census is unoffical! @Deimos was kind enough to agree to move it to ~tildes.official whenver he gets to it, but this is done for visiblity, not because it's official tildes business! Hello...
This census is unoffical!
@Deimos was kind enough to agree to move it to ~tildes.official whenver he gets to it, but this is done for visiblity, not because it's official tildes business!
Hello everyone (again)!
After the last thread I've made some final updates to the form and I think it's ready to be published. I know I didn't reply to every reply in the last thread (particularly one off-topic discussion that could be very interesting), but the feedback was getting overwhelming so that considering it as an addition to the census and replying in a way that would be satisfactory to the discussion was becoming a considerable effort. Sorry to everyone who didn't get a reply, but I combed through the two threads and considered everything. Not everything made the cut though.
While many questions were certainly interesting, especially those requiring a free-form answer must be kept to a minimum because aggregating them is complicated and too often impossible while keeping the essence of the answer in tact. The census is also getting fairly long, and we must keep it from becoming too long. We only got 250 replies last year, which was terribly little in all honesty.
I'll be looking forward to your replies! The census will stay open for at least a week, I expect most answers in the next few days, usually after that there's a fairly steep drop off. We'll see if it's sensible to keep it open for longer.
I doubt this was intentional, but the captcha is timing out and requiring refill after just a few minutes. If the short timeout is intentional, it should definitely be the last item in the survey....
I doubt this was intentional, but the captcha is timing out and requiring refill after just a few minutes. If the short timeout is intentional, it should definitely be the last item in the survey.
Also, I'm going to strongly recommend avoiding recaptcha if for some reason you need a captcha at all; it is inaccessible, arbitrarily blocks some users, and of course relies on and passes data along to Google.
There was no info on the captcha having a timeout. I'll move it to the end of the survey as a hotfix. I simply wanted to avoid bots or maybe the occasional trolly reply (we got 2 last year) by...
There was no info on the captcha having a timeout. I'll move it to the end of the survey as a hotfix. I simply wanted to avoid bots or maybe the occasional trolly reply (we got 2 last year) by requiring a little bit of effort.
EDIT: Captcha has been removed completely due to issues.
And I will enjoy memeing about it when the inevitable 2AM in the morning resolution post comes just like last year. I'm doing this for the community, but I reserve the right to do it in a dumb...
And I will enjoy memeing about it when the inevitable 2AM in the morning resolution post comes just like last year. I'm doing this for the community, but I reserve the right to do it in a dumb fucking way.
Not noise at all! I also want to express my gratitude, @Grzmot. Thanks for doing all of the work to make this happen! I'm looking forward to the results.
Not noise at all! I also want to express my gratitude, @Grzmot. Thanks for doing all of the work to make this happen! I'm looking forward to the results.
Yeah, I took it the other day after it was mentioned in the pre-census thread, and while I was still in the libertarian left quadrant, I was much closer to the border than is remotely accurate....
Yeah, I took it the other day after it was mentioned in the pre-census thread, and while I was still in the libertarian left quadrant, I was much closer to the border than is remotely accurate.
Looking at the questions, I think the test is geared to place most left leaning people in or near the authoritarian quadrant, as many left statements are paired with an authoritarian statement, and it seems that the test takes any attempts to curtail private capital as inherently authoritarian, as though private capital were the perfectly natural state of affairs, and not something maintained at great expense by massive state paramilitaries, violence and the threat of.
I genuinely do not know how anyone could have scored more libertarian left than me, as any more libertarian responses would take me right, and any more left responses would take me up. It looks to me like most of the libertarian left quadrant is inaccessible.
Exactly! So many of the questions were narrow, poorly formulated, and concerned with binary choices in current issues stuff, and you just can't get a good read on someone whose beliefs lie...
Exactly! So many of the questions were narrow, poorly formulated, and concerned with binary choices in current issues stuff, and you just can't get a good read on someone whose beliefs lie unfortunately far outside of the overton window like that. "Governments should regulate organizations and corporations" was a good one. For one, that's two different questions, and for two, I'd prefer for their to be neither governments nor corporations, but I guess within the context of the question that's probably yes? I ended up putting neutral on a lot of questions because I disagreed with both options.
Idinahuy? Something like that. The problem with playing with Russians in CS a few times a week that their mics are so crap that you have a hard time even learning the insults :)
Idinahuy? Something like that. The problem with playing with Russians in CS a few times a week that their mics are so crap that you have a hard time even learning the insults :)
I think the issue is the reverse, politicalcompass.org gives just about everyone pretty lib results. I know /r/politicalcompassmemes has made a lot of jokes about this. I think Ben Shapiro or...
I think the issue is the reverse, politicalcompass.org gives just about everyone pretty lib results. I know /r/politicalcompassmemes has made a lot of jokes about this. I think Ben Shapiro or someone similar falls into lib on politicalcompass.org. I think the most accurate as far as where people thought they should be, was the one test that's over 100 questions and the website is all grayscale until you get your result, can't remember the name.
You're probably thinking of 8values. And I think the issue is that both sapply and political compass are biased; sapply towards authoritarian and political compass toward libertarian left. Though...
You're probably thinking of 8values. And I think the issue is that both sapply and political compass are biased; sapply towards authoritarian and political compass toward libertarian left. Though which is worse I couldn't say.
Could be. Seems like sapply has a built in self righting mechanism though, so if folks here feel like their results are too auth, it may just be that the other people who took the test before them...
Could be. Seems like sapply has a built in self righting mechanism though, so if folks here feel like their results are too auth, it may just be that the other people who took the test before them felt the test was too lib.
Yup, I had similar results. With sapply being the odd one out, I'm inclined to just think it's a bad test. Though I suppose it did generate discussion, which was one of the goals of picking it...
Yup, I had similar results. With sapply being the odd one out, I'm inclined to just think it's a bad test. Though I suppose it did generate discussion, which was one of the goals of picking it...
Update: As of right now, we've reached 255 responses! :) Also thank you to the few people who graciously chose to donate. I'm still off target by about 6€, but it's nice to at least offset the cost.
Update: As of right now, we've reached 255 responses! :)
Also thank you to the few people who graciously chose to donate. I'm still off target by about 6€, but it's nice to at least offset the cost.
First off, thanks for taking the time to do this. I have one minor niggle though. Why is the United States at the top of the country list when all others are in alphabetical order? Or is that done...
First off, thanks for taking the time to do this.
I have one minor niggle though. Why is the United States at the top of the country list when all others are in alphabetical order? Or is that done through location data? My VPN is currently set to a US server.
Ed: I just saw @shredderZX said the same thing. Sorry for repeating.
Several forms have started doing this, because the US is likely the plurality or 2nd plurality and it's reaallly far down the alphabet. Now, I know that I can just typed "United" and it'll find...
Several forms have started doing this, because the US is likely the plurality or 2nd plurality and it's reaallly far down the alphabet. Now, I know that I can just typed "United" and it'll find it, but many people don't, and you can't do it on mobile either.
Started doing this... in the 90s maybe. This has been a thing at least as long as I've been using the internet. If anything it seems less common now than it once was. Surprised people find it...
Started doing this... in the 90s maybe. This has been a thing at least as long as I've been using the internet. If anything it seems less common now than it once was. Surprised people find it remarkable.
Didn't bother with the political compass 'cause my answers weren't particularly informed. Got the rest of it done. I'm pretty sure you can fingerprint my application 'cause I have a particular set...
Didn't bother with the political compass 'cause my answers weren't particularly informed.
Got the rest of it done.
I'm pretty sure you can fingerprint my application 'cause I have a particular set of traits that others don't share.
Everyone's answers are almost certainly unique, given the combinatorics of the questions versus the number of responses we'll get. Even if you engaged in extreme biasing (assume all male, hetero,...
Everyone's answers are almost certainly unique, given the combinatorics of the questions versus the number of responses we'll get. Even if you engaged in extreme biasing (assume all male, hetero, cis for instance since last survey those majorities were overwhelming) and ignored any questions with freeform responses, nCk of k=400 (significantly more results than last survey), approaches 0, since n is conservately in the realm of tens of millions.
In combinatorics you can formulate problems in terms of either combinations, or permutations. Combinations means order doesn't matter, permutations means order does. The formulation nCk is...
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In combinatorics you can formulate problems in terms of either combinations, or permutations. Combinations means order doesn't matter, permutations means order does. The formulation nCk is describing the number of ways that upon selecting k options, given n total options, you will get a unique result. The mathematical representation of this (without replacement) is n!/((n-k)!). We get our n by multiplying the number of results (and in my case, fudging the numbers to be more conservative by eliminating questions that are overwhelmingly skewed towards one result). If we wanted to be precise about n, we wouldn't assume the results of pairings were even, we'd cross multiply them by their selection chance, but we don't have those numbers yet, so we'd have to guess (which is another reason my estimate is conservative).
Once we have our total # of unique results as nCk, we can eyeball it and see that the likelihood of collision against our k is unlikely. This part is basically the same thing you do for the birthday problem, if you'd like to be able to give an answer off the cuff. The real way to solve it though is to do 1-(1- (1/10000000)^400, which is about 0.0004% chance of collision.
I tried to submit the form, the submit button changed to please wait, then immediately went back to submit, with no confirmation screen. So I either put in a bunch of entries or none at all. EDIT:...
I tried to submit the form, the submit button changed to please wait, then immediately went back to submit, with no confirmation screen. So I either put in a bunch of entries or none at all.
EDIT: removing the captcha seems to have fixed it for me.
What is "some college" in the education tab. In the UK 6th form college is the education you do from 16 to 18 before you go to university. You have your GCSEs from school to get there which I...
What is "some college" in the education tab. In the UK 6th form college is the education you do from 16 to 18 before you go to university. You have your GCSEs from school to get there which I assume is like high-school diploma? At 6th form college you get A levels in 3 or 4 subjects.
For international forms, I think the easiest way to phrase it is ask at what age did you complete education, and provide accompanying names. <12 (primary school only) 12-15 (secondary school /...
For international forms, I think the easiest way to phrase it is ask at what age did you complete education, and provide accompanying names.
I don't think asking at what age you completed your education is the best way to go about it, either. I'll preface this by stating that the following is a U.S.-centric perspective and may not...
I don't think asking at what age you completed your education is the best way to go about it, either.
I'll preface this by stating that the following is a U.S.-centric perspective and may not entirely apply internationally. With that disclaimer out of the way, your typical K-12 education might have most students graduating grade 12 at around 18 years old, but there are enough edge cases with early or late graduation to start throwing that off. Then once you get into higher education, those numbers start making even less sense given the huge amount of variation in how quickly each student goes through their degree requirements as well as when they decide to start going to college in the first place. It gets even worse when you start breaking things down by race. If we take a look at some NCES data on graduation rates in the U.S., we can see that of those who graduate, about 32% of them take 5-6 years to graduate, with that number getting even higher at times across racial divides. It just doesn't line up with reality very well at all.
It's a good thought, though. Perhaps using the range for years of education (e.g. "grades" in the U.S.) would make more sense, as that is age-independent. It would still not entirely be accurate for a university setting, but the years could then simply be omitted for those cases in favor of descriptive terms. No matter what, though, it's difficult trying to make a one-size-fits-all solution actually work without running into annoying little edge cases.
Edit: Fixed some terrible wording that conveyed incorrect information.
I agree with your point about higher education as that's highly variable age wise. There's far less variation in the UK before you hit 18. I don't know anyone who's been able to finish early or...
I agree with your point about higher education as that's highly variable age wise.
There's far less variation in the UK before you hit 18. I don't know anyone who's been able to finish early or late from GCSEs (16 yrs old)
Colleges in North America are not only just something you go to before attending University, they are comparable to Universities here but are generally smaller campuses and tend to focus only on...
Colleges in North America are not only just something you go to before attending University, they are comparable to Universities here but are generally smaller campuses and tend to focus only on undergraduate degrees (i.e. Associates and Bachelors, but not Masters or PhDs), and they are also sometimes dedicated to singular or closely related subjects (similar to a Trade School in the EU?).
E.g. I personally answered "some college" because I went to an Arts & Design College for a Bachelor's program, but never actually graduated despite earning the majority of credits required to do so, since I had a nervous breakdown in my final term, and afterwards I wound up working in a totally unrelated field; IT.
And IMO, the reason why "some college" is usually worth including in surveys like these is because even if you haven't finished earning your degree, if you went to a fully accredited and reputable institution, your credits earned so far towards it are often transferable and don't generally expire. So even if you wind up not finishing it, like me, if you want to return later to earn the rest of the required credits in order to graduate you usually still can, even years later.
Might just be me, but on SapplyValues I couldn't get the results to load, I get stuck on feedback.html asking "Did you complete this test in a serious (or at least unironic) manner?". Managed to...
Might just be me, but on SapplyValues I couldn't get the results to load, I get stuck on feedback.html asking "Did you complete this test in a serious (or at least unironic) manner?". Managed to pull the values from the URL though :)
I tested the Sapply test once and it worked for me, and I've got plenty of blockers running in my browser. I hope it won't repeat itself with other users. :/
I tested the Sapply test once and it worked for me, and I've got plenty of blockers running in my browser. I hope it won't repeat itself with other users. :/
same issue. If you try to submit feedback then you have to refresh the page to actually get your results. Implementation isn't ideal, but it's not a huge issue.
same issue. If you try to submit feedback then you have to refresh the page to actually get your results. Implementation isn't ideal, but it's not a huge issue.
I tried to do the submit option where you give them additional information so they can use it for demographic purposes, and that got stuck on the last question (none of the buttons were actually...
I tried to do the submit option where you give them additional information so they can use it for demographic purposes, and that got stuck on the last question (none of the buttons were actually buttons). But I was able to go back and do the "just give me the answers" option, if that makes any difference.
I'm having trouble finishing, thinking it might be related to whatever is bringing down various other sites today. Reach the final captcha and sometimes it never pops up at all and just hangs,...
I'm having trouble finishing, thinking it might be related to whatever is bringing down various other sites today. Reach the final captcha and sometimes it never pops up at all and just hangs, eventually the browser kills it for being non-responsive. Other times I can complete the captcha but it never lets me submit the captcha. So guess I'll try again later after the internet has fixed itself.
Nice. One of the things I've realized about the freeform questions on Tildes is that some of the things that we might find good or bad can stem from either the community or the site and that...
Nice.
One of the things I've realized about the freeform questions on Tildes is that some of the things that we might find good or bad can stem from either the community or the site and that distinction definitely came to mind when I filled those out.
The biggest problem I had is that your question on "what your score on sapply is" prompted my keyboard to only show numbers which doesn't allow me to input negative number so I might show as economically right instead of left.
If you input your age per decile you can't un-input it and answer your exact age. I know this is just nitpicking and not your fault but I had to point it out.
I'm still kinda bummed you didn't include kfwyre's suggestion for relationship status but you and others have stated the reasons against it.
On a more general note, last year someone said making a survey will put you under high scrutiny and I think it can apply to people asking for questions to be put in too, or at least that's what I experienced. When you get all the basic stuff done It's hard to make a census which people feel comfortable taking and can be interpreted/parsed by non-statisticians.
I know, which is why I pointed towards the Clear Form button at the end. While yes, I invited feedback and although there has been a lot of it, it's all been constructive and appreciated. I have...
If you input your age per decile you can't un-input it and answer your exact age. I know this is just nitpicking and not your fault but I had to point it out.
I know, which is why I pointed towards the Clear Form button at the end.
On a more general note, last year someone said making a survey will put you under high scrutiny and I think it can apply to people asking for questions to be put in too, or at least that's what I experienced.
While yes, I invited feedback and although there has been a lot of it, it's all been constructive and appreciated. I have purged the first attempt at a survey in 2019 from my memoryThere is no war in Bar Sing Se, so I totally don't know what mean comments you are talking about.
NB: I had a survey submission hiccup with the captcha. IDK if my completed survey was submitted. Last text field includes a brief anti-google rant. Did you get it? PS: I submitted after the post...
NB: I had a survey submission hiccup with the captcha. IDK if my completed survey was submitted.
Last text field includes a brief anti-google rant. Did you get it?
PS: I submitted after the post indicating the captcha was removed ... not the google-recaptcha, but I did still hit a captcha validation.
I also hate them. However, I didn't get one, which is odd because I use extensive ad blockers and always browse privately. I wonder why I didn't get one, but others did? (I usually do get them and...
I also hate them. However, I didn't get one, which is odd because I use extensive ad blockers and always browse privately. I wonder why I didn't get one, but others did? (I usually do get them and they are super annoying.)
The Sapply test seems to be focused around current political discussions in the usa, and I expect based on the american situation even though not explicitly stated: (e.g. "The current welfare system should be expanded to further combat inequality.", "The police was not made to protect the people, but to uphold the status-quo by force."). Not sure if there are other better tests though, but the result may be skewed because people live in areas with different current setup or because they don't know the american system as well as americans.
Yeah, this is another case of "I don't know what you're asking here." Are you asking if that is the case, or whether that should be the case? Because I have different answers for those.
It's also a very broad question. I don't know that there's any one honest answer that applies to all places and all contexts. For all I know, there are places where the police forces were created to protect the people.
That, and to me there's also a difference between "was made to" (their initial purpose) and "is currently doing"
That's true, but there's definitely a narrative right now among progressives (and I don't know how true it is) that police orgs were founded for racist and anti-worker purposes and that they didn't just evolve into what we have now.
Exactly. IMHO there is systemic racism in the police force, but I don't believe it was intended that way when they were founded
In many cases it probably didn't need to be "intended" as a conscious choice, but they make all the decisions that are consistent with that position because everyone involved in the decision-making carries White Supremacist beliefs by default.
I agree with this. That's exactly the reason I'm not particularly fond of the question, because it only asks about "was made to" which imo implies intention
To be honest, the more political questionaires we cycle through, the more I think just making our and making it part of the census would be the best. The problem is that you'll always have different baselines to work off depending on where you are located.
Yeah, I agree. That was a poorly designed psychometric test. They require context to answer, and that makes me believe the results will be constructs that are not applicable to the labels the questionnaire provided. I just took a look at the graphs and found the coordinates that I think I would most likely fall under.
It's easier said than done though to build a survey that is without flaws. I can't imagine a good way to get a good measure on this stuff unless you could find out what advertisers have you labelled as after collecting all online data.
I took the Supply test a while back, and it said I was auth-left. Now that they have changed a few questions, it says I am auth-right. It really should be more consistent so people can get a straight answer.
This census is unoffical!
@Deimos was kind enough to agree to move it to ~tildes.official whenver he gets to it, but this is done for visiblity, not because it's official tildes business!
Hello everyone (again)!
After the last thread I've made some final updates to the form and I think it's ready to be published. I know I didn't reply to every reply in the last thread (particularly one off-topic discussion that could be very interesting), but the feedback was getting overwhelming so that considering it as an addition to the census and replying in a way that would be satisfactory to the discussion was becoming a considerable effort. Sorry to everyone who didn't get a reply, but I combed through the two threads and considered everything. Not everything made the cut though.
While many questions were certainly interesting, especially those requiring a free-form answer must be kept to a minimum because aggregating them is complicated and too often impossible while keeping the essence of the answer in tact. The census is also getting fairly long, and we must keep it from becoming too long. We only got 250 replies last year, which was terribly little in all honesty.
I'll be looking forward to your replies! The census will stay open for at least a week, I expect most answers in the next few days, usually after that there's a fairly steep drop off. We'll see if it's sensible to keep it open for longer.
I doubt this was intentional, but the captcha is timing out and requiring refill after just a few minutes. If the short timeout is intentional, it should definitely be the last item in the survey.
Also, I'm going to strongly recommend avoiding recaptcha if for some reason you need a captcha at all; it is inaccessible, arbitrarily blocks some users, and of course relies on and passes data along to Google.
There was no info on the captcha having a timeout. I'll move it to the end of the survey as a hotfix. I simply wanted to avoid bots or maybe the occasional trolly reply (we got 2 last year) by requiring a little bit of effort.
EDIT: Captcha has been removed completely due to issues.
And I will enjoy memeing about it when the inevitable 2AM in the morning resolution post comes just like last year. I'm doing this for the community, but I reserve the right to do it in a dumb fucking way.
Just wanted to say once again thanks for putting this together!! feel free to noise this comment.
Not noise at all! I also want to express my gratitude, @Grzmot. Thanks for doing all of the work to make this happen! I'm looking forward to the results.
Thanks, and you aren't noise! :)
Yeah, I took it the other day after it was mentioned in the pre-census thread, and while I was still in the libertarian left quadrant, I was much closer to the border than is remotely accurate.
Looking at the questions, I think the test is geared to place most left leaning people in or near the authoritarian quadrant, as many left statements are paired with an authoritarian statement, and it seems that the test takes any attempts to curtail private capital as inherently authoritarian, as though private capital were the perfectly natural state of affairs, and not something maintained at great expense by massive state paramilitaries, violence and the threat of.
I genuinely do not know how anyone could have scored more libertarian left than me, as any more libertarian responses would take me right, and any more left responses would take me up. It looks to me like most of the libertarian left quadrant is inaccessible.
Exactly! So many of the questions were narrow, poorly formulated, and concerned with binary choices in current issues stuff, and you just can't get a good read on someone whose beliefs lie unfortunately far outside of the overton window like that. "Governments should regulate organizations and corporations" was a good one. For one, that's two different questions, and for two, I'd prefer for their to be neither governments nor corporations, but I guess within the context of the question that's probably yes? I ended up putting neutral on a lot of questions because I disagreed with both options.
Close enough.
is okay :)
Haha I did a double take too.
Same Happened to me. Very weird since my Political compass test had me at -6 -6 and here i was at auth left
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Idinahuy? Something like that. The problem with playing with Russians in CS a few times a week that their mics are so crap that you have a hard time even learning the insults :)
I think the issue is the reverse, politicalcompass.org gives just about everyone pretty lib results. I know /r/politicalcompassmemes has made a lot of jokes about this. I think Ben Shapiro or someone similar falls into lib on politicalcompass.org. I think the most accurate as far as where people thought they should be, was the one test that's over 100 questions and the website is all grayscale until you get your result, can't remember the name.
You're probably thinking of 8values. And I think the issue is that both sapply and political compass are biased; sapply towards authoritarian and political compass toward libertarian left. Though which is worse I couldn't say.
Could be. Seems like sapply has a built in self righting mechanism though, so if folks here feel like their results are too auth, it may just be that the other people who took the test before them felt the test was too lib.
Yup, I had similar results. With sapply being the odd one out, I'm inclined to just think it's a bad test. Though I suppose it did generate discussion, which was one of the goals of picking it...
Dunno, you'd have to watch the live stream I guess. I haven't seen it, just one of those cultural osmosis things.
Update: As of right now, we've reached 255 responses! :)
Also thank you to the few people who graciously chose to donate. I'm still off target by about 6€, but it's nice to at least offset the cost.
First off, thanks for taking the time to do this.
I have one minor niggle though. Why is the United States at the top of the country list when all others are in alphabetical order? Or is that done through location data? My VPN is currently set to a US server.
Ed: I just saw @shredderZX said the same thing. Sorry for repeating.
Several forms have started doing this, because the US is likely the plurality or 2nd plurality and it's reaallly far down the alphabet. Now, I know that I can just typed "United" and it'll find it, but many people don't, and you can't do it on mobile either.
Started doing this... in the 90s maybe. This has been a thing at least as long as I've been using the internet. If anything it seems less common now than it once was. Surprised people find it remarkable.
Also, nobody knows if it's going to be United, US, or USA. Grr
It's fine when they all start with U. Try United Kingdom, Great Britain, or England. Then you've got no clue where to even start looking.
A Canadian website, yet the first option for the otherwise alphabetical country list is still the US. Ouch!
Well, to be fair, US is usually the big outlier in the "reallly far down in the alphabet but probably what most people are going to select".
Didn't bother with the political compass 'cause my answers weren't particularly informed.
Got the rest of it done.
I'm pretty sure you can fingerprint my application 'cause I have a particular set of traits that others don't share.
Everyone's answers are almost certainly unique, given the combinatorics of the questions versus the number of responses we'll get. Even if you engaged in extreme biasing (assume all male, hetero, cis for instance since last survey those majorities were overwhelming) and ignored any questions with freeform responses, nCk of k=400 (significantly more results than last survey), approaches 0, since n is conservately in the realm of tens of millions.
I'm curious about what that means in layman's terms.
In combinatorics you can formulate problems in terms of either combinations, or permutations. Combinations means order doesn't matter, permutations means order does. The formulation nCk is describing the number of ways that upon selecting k options, given n total options, you will get a unique result. The mathematical representation of this (without replacement) is n!/((n-k)!). We get our n by multiplying the number of results (and in my case, fudging the numbers to be more conservative by eliminating questions that are overwhelmingly skewed towards one result). If we wanted to be precise about n, we wouldn't assume the results of pairings were even, we'd cross multiply them by their selection chance, but we don't have those numbers yet, so we'd have to guess (which is another reason my estimate is conservative).
Once we have our total # of unique results as nCk, we can eyeball it and see that the likelihood of collision against our k is unlikely. This part is basically the same thing you do for the birthday problem, if you'd like to be able to give an answer off the cuff. The real way to solve it though is to do 1-(1- (1/10000000)^400, which is about 0.0004% chance of collision.
birthday problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem
Took it, captcha never leaded for me, refreshed the page and it still refused to load. Oh well, rip survey result.
I have removed the captcha from the survey. If you still feel like it, you can retake it :)
Works great.
The order shown in the form isn't the same as the one on the Sapply test, this may lead to false inputs.
I tried to submit the form, the submit button changed to please wait, then immediately went back to submit, with no confirmation screen. So I either put in a bunch of entries or none at all.
EDIT: removing the captcha seems to have fixed it for me.
What is "some college" in the education tab. In the UK 6th form college is the education you do from 16 to 18 before you go to university. You have your GCSEs from school to get there which I assume is like high-school diploma? At 6th form college you get A levels in 3 or 4 subjects.
It's a US thing meaning essentially you've completed some college courses.
For international forms, I think the easiest way to phrase it is ask at what age did you complete education, and provide accompanying names.
I don't think asking at what age you completed your education is the best way to go about it, either.
I'll preface this by stating that the following is a U.S.-centric perspective and may not entirely apply internationally. With that disclaimer out of the way, your typical K-12 education might have most students graduating grade 12 at around 18 years old, but there are enough edge cases with early or late graduation to start throwing that off. Then once you get into higher education, those numbers start making even less sense given the huge amount of variation in how quickly each student goes through their degree requirements as well as when they decide to start going to college in the first place. It gets even worse when you start breaking things down by race. If we take a look at some NCES data on graduation rates in the U.S., we can see that of those who graduate, about 32% of them take 5-6 years to graduate, with that number getting even higher at times across racial divides. It just doesn't line up with reality very well at all.
It's a good thought, though. Perhaps using the range for years of education (e.g. "grades" in the U.S.) would make more sense, as that is age-independent. It would still not entirely be accurate for a university setting, but the years could then simply be omitted for those cases in favor of descriptive terms. No matter what, though, it's difficult trying to make a one-size-fits-all solution actually work without running into annoying little edge cases.
Edit: Fixed some terrible wording that conveyed incorrect information.
I agree with your point about higher education as that's highly variable age wise.
There's far less variation in the UK before you hit 18. I don't know anyone who's been able to finish early or late from GCSEs (16 yrs old)
Colleges in North America are not only just something you go to before attending University, they are comparable to Universities here but are generally smaller campuses and tend to focus only on undergraduate degrees (i.e. Associates and Bachelors, but not Masters or PhDs), and they are also sometimes dedicated to singular or closely related subjects (similar to a Trade School in the EU?).
E.g. I personally answered "some college" because I went to an Arts & Design College for a Bachelor's program, but never actually graduated despite earning the majority of credits required to do so, since I had a nervous breakdown in my final term, and afterwards I wound up working in a totally unrelated field; IT.
And IMO, the reason why "some college" is usually worth including in surveys like these is because even if you haven't finished earning your degree, if you went to a fully accredited and reputable institution, your credits earned so far towards it are often transferable and don't generally expire. So even if you wind up not finishing it, like me, if you want to return later to earn the rest of the required credits in order to graduate you usually still can, even years later.
Might just be me, but on SapplyValues I couldn't get the results to load, I get stuck on
feedback.htmlasking "Did you complete this test in a serious (or at least unironic) manner?". Managed to pull the values from the URL though :)I tested the Sapply test once and it worked for me, and I've got plenty of blockers running in my browser. I hope it won't repeat itself with other users. :/
same issue. If you try to submit feedback then you have to refresh the page to actually get your results. Implementation isn't ideal, but it's not a huge issue.
I tried to do the submit option where you give them additional information so they can use it for demographic purposes, and that got stuck on the last question (none of the buttons were actually buttons). But I was able to go back and do the "just give me the answers" option, if that makes any difference.
It got stuck on the last question ("how much physical activity do you do?") for me, too, but it somehow got unstuck some time after I left the tab.
I'm having trouble finishing, thinking it might be related to whatever is bringing down various other sites today. Reach the final captcha and sometimes it never pops up at all and just hangs, eventually the browser kills it for being non-responsive. Other times I can complete the captcha but it never lets me submit the captcha. So guess I'll try again later after the internet has fixed itself.
Some questions (like the Kinsey scale one) don't fit on my screen (iPhone SE).
Nice.
One of the things I've realized about the freeform questions on Tildes is that some of the things that we might find good or bad can stem from either the community or the site and that distinction definitely came to mind when I filled those out.
The biggest problem I had is that your question on "what your score on sapply is" prompted my keyboard to only show numbers which doesn't allow me to input negative number so I might show as economically right instead of left.
If you input your age per decile you can't un-input it and answer your exact age. I know this is just nitpicking and not your fault but I had to point it out.
I'm still kinda bummed you didn't include kfwyre's suggestion for relationship status but you and others have stated the reasons against it.
On a more general note, last year someone said making a survey will put you under high scrutiny and I think it can apply to people asking for questions to be put in too, or at least that's what I experienced. When you get all the basic stuff done It's hard to make a census which people feel comfortable taking and can be interpreted/parsed by non-statisticians.
I know, which is why I pointed towards the Clear Form button at the end.
While yes, I invited feedback and although there has been a lot of it, it's all been constructive and appreciated. I have purged the first attempt at a survey in 2019 from my memoryThere is no war in Bar Sing Se, so I totally don't know what mean comments you are talking about.
hugs pls
NB: I had a survey submission hiccup with the captcha. IDK if my completed survey was submitted.
Last text field includes a brief anti-google rant. Did you get it?
PS: I submitted after the post indicating the captcha was removed ... not the google-recaptcha, but I did still hit a captcha validation.
Law ought to be seperate from security/public safety etc. criminal law accounts for maybe a third of all legal activity.
God damn it I don't have time for captchas.
I also hate them. However, I didn't get one, which is odd because I use extensive ad blockers and always browse privately. I wonder why I didn't get one, but others did? (I usually do get them and they are super annoying.)