I feel like this one line undermines the author's point about handbags being about liberation and breaking the mold. It's all about capitalism and probably always has been.
Today, the big luxury brands are determined to get men to carry bags.
I feel like this one line undermines the author's point about handbags being about liberation and breaking the mold. It's all about capitalism and probably always has been.
Marketing people are desperate to get as many people to buy their garbage as possible, more at 11. It's so tiring to constantly be manipulated to try and consume more garbage.
Marketing people are desperate to get as many people to buy their garbage as possible, more at 11. It's so tiring to constantly be manipulated to try and consume more garbage.
Right? Why do I want to liberate myself into something I don't need that also happens to cost a lot of money? If anything, I feel women's clothing should have deeper pockets. Why waste money on a...
Right? Why do I want to liberate myself into something I don't need that also happens to cost a lot of money?
If anything, I feel women's clothing should have deeper pockets. Why waste money on a handbag when your pants could do the trick?
I'm fine with a belt bag. yes, it's ugly, but useful. The no name brands found in street markets are the best. Even better if it's homemade but the seller
I'm fine with a belt bag. yes, it's ugly, but useful. The no name brands found in street markets are the best. Even better if it's homemade but the seller
Agreed. The whole premise of the article is that fashion is used to liberate oppressed groups. If that is the case, then tell me: what is it that men need to be liberated from and how will a purse...
Right? Why do I want to liberate myself into something I don't need that also happens to cost a lot of money?
Agreed. The whole premise of the article is that fashion is used to liberate oppressed groups. If that is the case, then tell me: what is it that men need to be liberated from and how will a purse help them with that?
But a free canvas shoulder bag is hardly the liberating fashion statement the article has in mind, isn't it? I imagine for most men, the case for purses or shoulder bags is one where pockets do...
But a free canvas shoulder bag is hardly the liberating fashion statement the article has in mind, isn't it?
I imagine for most men, the case for purses or shoulder bags is one where pockets do not suffice but a backpack is overkill. That's a narrow niche, particularly if you throw simple tote bags in as another alternative. Unless you throw in fashion arguments, which most men rate less than utility.
I don't see what problems a purse or handbag would solve that a backpack does not solve. I see a lot of people carrying backpacks around in cities, both to work and to random social events. A...
I don't see what problems a purse or handbag would solve that a backpack does not solve. I see a lot of people carrying backpacks around in cities, both to work and to random social events. A handbag just seems less practical.
Backpacks are less available. Other than the water bottle pockets, you really need to take it off to get something out. I usually use a crossbody bag if what I'm carrying doesn't need a backpack...
Backpacks are less available. Other than the water bottle pockets, you really need to take it off to get something out. I usually use a crossbody bag if what I'm carrying doesn't need a backpack for the much easier access.
Their size can also be a disadvantage. Many venues won't let backpacks in, for instance. Having to take it off when you sit down is another time when you can lose it.
Having forgotten my backpack or cinch bag a fair few times when going out in the evenings, a fanny pack worn around your shoulder is probably the most practical alternative to handbags. You don't...
Having to take it off when you sit down is another time when you can lose it.
Having forgotten my backpack or cinch bag a fair few times when going out in the evenings, a fanny pack worn around your shoulder is probably the most practical alternative to handbags. You don't necessarily need to take it off and don't need to stuff your pocket with things you want to carry around.
Pockets have become increasingly unsatisfying for me lately. Once I got a car the key fob ends up being kind of big. And the phones have also gotten kind of big and bulky now. It ruins the...
Pockets have become increasingly unsatisfying for me lately. Once I got a car the key fob ends up being kind of big. And the phones have also gotten kind of big and bulky now. It ruins the silhouette of my pants and is uncomfortable to sit with it in besides.
Fall and winter are nice because I usually have big, roomy pockets in my jackets. But in summer no such luck.
Satchels and side bags do well at providing space and easy access. I wore one for quite a while during my commute, but they were frustrating when you needed to run to catch a bus.
Satchels and side bags do well at providing space and easy access. I wore one for quite a while during my commute, but they were frustrating when you needed to run to catch a bus.
Size. The problem a small bag that you can carry in your hand solves is the size of a backpack. Sometimes I just need my essentials like keys, wallet, phone and a pen but don’t want to schlepp...
Size. The problem a small bag that you can carry in your hand solves is the size of a backpack. Sometimes I just need my essentials like keys, wallet, phone and a pen but don’t want to schlepp around my pack and don’t want all of that in my pant pockets.
I recently opted to get one of those small pouches and am loving it.
I also sometimes use a "purse" for this same reason. They are common among men where I live, and they are not fancy neccessarily (mine isn't, and actually came with a backpack a relative bought...
I also sometimes use a "purse" for this same reason. They are common among men where I live, and they are not fancy neccessarily (mine isn't, and actually came with a backpack a relative bought years and years ago). I would not use a bag that must be carried in my hands, though.
The other reason I will add is that a shoulder bag is much more comfortable in hot and humid weather. This is especially true if you are commuting by bike!
All of these are moot when one considers the convenience of messenger bags. Chrome or Timbuk2 are nice. I can't see any reason a dude would take a purse over a messenger bag, or a backpack over a...
All of these are moot when one considers the convenience of messenger bags. Chrome or Timbuk2 are nice.
I can't see any reason a dude would take a purse over a messenger bag, or a backpack over a messenger bag unless carrying capacity becomes an issue (even then you can get giant messenger bags that are still more accessible than backpacks).
I think it comes down to whether or not it can be turned into a fashion statement rather than something of pure practicality. The problem it solves is a problem that is created by stylistic...
I think it comes down to whether or not it can be turned into a fashion statement rather than something of pure practicality. The problem it solves is a problem that is created by stylistic factors. Of course there's some balance of practical and appearance to strike, otherwise many more people would probably wear fanny packs if it were strictly about practical. For me, I wear cargo shorts, which isn't known for being fashionable, but is very practical. If I need something more than that, then backpack it is. I don't have it in me to put in the effort that it requires to be fashionable, but I'm also a loner so I wouldn't assume that my choices are best for everyone.
I there's enough guys out there that are more conscientious of style and somehow it becomes a stylistic advantage to use a handbag, then surely some will do it. As to how companies manage to pull that off I don't know, but to each their own I suppose.
Do you keep your phone, keys, and wallet in your backpack or your pocket when wearing one? Many women keep those things in a clutch or purse when they go out. It's much more convenient to access...
Do you keep your phone, keys, and wallet in your backpack or your pocket when wearing one?
Many women keep those things in a clutch or purse when they go out. It's much more convenient to access things in it.
In previous times professional men carried briefcases that fulfilled a similar function. But this is usually accomplished with messenger bags now, which are basically purses.
At the very least a satchel or shoulder bag will suffice. I can't see men buying into the fashion of handbags when more practical options are available
At the very least a satchel or shoulder bag will suffice. I can't see men buying into the fashion of handbags when more practical options are available
I feel like the author missed a chance to ask a better question about men's bags. Men obviously carry based on practicality (and sometimes brand) This thread is evidence enough but they note that...
I feel like the author missed a chance to ask a better question about men's bags. Men obviously carry based on practicality (and sometimes brand) This thread is evidence enough but they note that men carry satchels... are we that removed from the hangover where we don't remember the razzing for carrying one of those? Why do we hold 'fashion' purses in higher regard? Why should 'men' start carrying them? My small crossbody bag carries all of the listed essentials that the author is perplexed about men's need for - but my car has those as well. Maybe that's the bigger difference in Western society? Men keep all that in the car. If I'm going somewhere where I need a change of clothes I've got a small duffel... which, really, isn't that just a purse as well?
So, the question isn't "Why don't men carry purses" but "what is the functional difference between a purse and the other bags men do carry?" Is there a direct analog to the purse that's exclusive to men? I don't carry a purse because they all look ugly to me. I have no problem carrying a tote bag, which is essentially a purse, on my shoulder though.
Personally I never go anywhere without my backpack. I don't have a car, my bag has everything I think I might need while I'm away from home or might want if I get stuck away from home. Water,...
Personally I never go anywhere without my backpack. I don't have a car, my bag has everything I think I might need while I'm away from home or might want if I get stuck away from home. Water, umbrella, portable USB charger, hand sanitizer, Kindle, cannabis vapes (no nicotine for me), laptop, lighters, spare Presto (public transit in Ontario) card, allergy pills... thinking of adding a travel sized toothpase/brush and deoderant too lmao. I don't see any reason to get a fancy bag when my backpack is easier to carry and holds more.
Yeah, you can't beat the back pack for your use case. it's perfect. To play devils advocate a bit, I find bringing a backpack out for an evening low grade stressful. Its one more thing I need to...
Yeah, you can't beat the back pack for your use case. it's perfect. To play devils advocate a bit, I find bringing a backpack out for an evening low grade stressful. Its one more thing I need to worry about (track). I feel liberated without it, if that makes sense.
I wouldn't want to go hiking with a messenger bag ;) That's an extreme case, but I think it serves as a good anchor point on the spectrum of use cases. Perhaps the more you're walking that...
I wouldn't want to go hiking with a messenger bag ;) That's an extreme case, but I think it serves as a good anchor point on the spectrum of use cases. Perhaps the more you're walking that particular day, the more you'd want to lean into backpack.
Noo, this is a totally fair point. I was considering daily use cases when commuting or wandering around a campus. Hiking, or backpacking/traveling a backpack definitely has advantages. When I...
Noo, this is a totally fair point. I was considering daily use cases when commuting or wandering around a campus.
Hiking, or backpacking/traveling a backpack definitely has advantages. When I travel I actually use... All of the things. Large messenger bag across the chest; loadout bag with straps on my back; and smaller Timbuk2 bag on my hip/butt.
Man, I've been wanting to get something lighter than a backpack but with more capacity (and not as fugly) as like, a fanny pack or something. A messenger bag might just be it. If you use one, have...
Man, I've been wanting to get something lighter than a backpack but with more capacity (and not as fugly) as like, a fanny pack or something. A messenger bag might just be it. If you use one, have you found it to be okay during periods of moving around more? I bike daily so loose fabric or bags with long handles are pretty terrible as they swing their mass back and forth constantly.
Messenger bags were specifically designed with this issue in mind. I like both Chrome and Timbuk2. Chrome is probably "better" but that is subjective. The standard Chrome messenger bags you...
Messenger bags were specifically designed with this issue in mind. I like both Chrome and Timbuk2. Chrome is probably "better" but that is subjective.
The standard Chrome messenger bags you usually slide/rotate around to chest level for quick access. Timbuk2 can do this, or you can release it to full length to carry/access as a hip bag while not riding.
Both brands (and others) usually come with a stabilization strap to further help with stability. Even without it they generally stick to your back very well with barely any of that inverted pendulum feel backpacks have.
They also all come with a quick adjust/release on the main strap for tightening the strap down for riding, and then loosening it while walking.
My one and only Chrome bag is 15+ years old. Timbuk2 5 years. I use both regularly based on need. Used the chrome bag daily while cycling in undergrad (fixed gear), and occassionaly while motorbiking, now it is mostly used for travel as a carry on or personal item depending on if I am bringing a larger bag for a longer trip. I use the Timbuk2 daily now on my work commute by motorcycle.
I highly recommend either brand, main difference would be whether you think you'll want the ability to wear the bag at your hip while walking, or across the shoulder. If you want the hip bag position, get a Timbuk2. Chrome bags look cooler, and are made of stronger fabric. Both are water proof if closed correctly.
I think if you buy one, you will probably never go back to a backpack unless hiking.
Hey, thank you for the detailed reply. Sorry I'm following up like a day later, but I've been looking around about messenger bags and wanted to ask more questions from someone who clearly has a...
Hey, thank you for the detailed reply. Sorry I'm following up like a day later, but I've been looking around about messenger bags and wanted to ask more questions from someone who clearly has a bunch of experience with them :)
Do you find they work with heavier loads? I feel like a laptop + books or tablet or whatever could add up to quite a bit of weight to be put on a single shoulder. What's your experience with this sort of loadout, so to say, if you're okay sharing that?
When riding it's basically not an issue because the weight is distributed across your back. It does depend how far/long you will be walking between rides. In undergrad I would ride to every class,...
When riding it's basically not an issue because the weight is distributed across your back. It does depend how far/long you will be walking between rides. In undergrad I would ride to every class, so walking was limited to the distance from the bike rack to class. I wasn't walking around all day with the Chrome bag. However, you can lug around quite a lot of stuff comfortably. I think at maximum on a normal rainy/cold day I would carry: laptop, charger, notebook, hoodie, waterproof shell, small thermos or water bottle, tire change kit, and various random other stuff. Maybe one textbook if I had to (usually just used PDFs).
As for books... It depends what kind of books. Overpriced 1000 page hardcover text books, you could maybe do one + a laptop comfortably. Softcover are easier to deal with.
You could definitely do a normal laptop + tablet for PDFs. I wouldn't recommend lugging around a full size gaming laptop though. Also you want a sleeve or cover for both the laptop and tablet to keep random debris out.
No worries. When that time comes I recommend measuring out the bag dimensions from the websites for different sizes to get a better idea in relation to your own size. The extra smalls are super...
No worries. When that time comes I recommend measuring out the bag dimensions from the websites for different sizes to get a better idea in relation to your own size. The extra smalls are super small, and the xxls are ridiculously big.
The messenger bag I use on my bike has a second strap (sometimes literally called a cycling strap) that helps cinch it to the body. It still means the weight is a little off-center, but not as bad...
The messenger bag I use on my bike has a second strap (sometimes literally called a cycling strap) that helps cinch it to the body. It still means the weight is a little off-center, but not as bad as letting it flop around.
I usually just lug around a single pannier that I can clip on or off my rear rack, but the messenger bag is useful when I'm doing more walking with a bag off-bike.
My wife gave me a messenger bag made out of leather many years ago, and I used it every day. That's also the state was in a while ago and I decided I also want more compartments, so I switched to...
My wife gave me a messenger bag made out of leather many years ago, and I used it every day. That's also the state was in a while ago and I decided I also want more compartments, so I switched to a sling bag that has tons of compartments and is comfortable to carry and accessible at all times. Especially with a toddler it's nice to have a place and some extra space to put wet wipes or their water bottle.
Of course, there are also backpacks with many compartments but at that point a sling is just more convenient and seems to do the job better (e.g. quicker and easier access) for everyday life and I barely every get it completely full where I ran out of space. And of course I also have a bag pack if more space is needed (for day trips or hikes), but it's just less accessible (e.g. when I'm in a grocery store and quickly want to pay while having to put the groceries away and have to watch my toddler, it's just easier to look down, open a zipper and grab the wallet instead of having to get it from my back). And on the other hand, when I go to a doctor's appointment and I'm sitting in the waiting room and want to read my kindle, I don't want to carry a whole backpack and then just get my kindle out and that's it, that also feels like wasted space. I wouldn't wanna miss my sling anymore :D
PS: If anyone is curious about some models, I suggest visiting the pack hacker reviews and just browse a bit.
What a great review site! Thanks for sharing. I'm bookmarking this for next time I'm in the market for something. I wish they had more guidance about traveling with children, but I guess that...
PS: If anyone is curious about some models, I suggest visiting the pack hacker reviews and just browse a bit.
What a great review site! Thanks for sharing. I'm bookmarking this for next time I'm in the market for something.
I wish they had more guidance about traveling with children, but I guess that pushes things out of "backpacker" territory. But if anyone needs strategies to pack light and move more freely it's parents.
I think many people here have been missing the point of the article, or of small storage bags in general. I'd like to defend the man-purse. The thrust of the article is not that men ought to buy...
I think many people here have been missing the point of the article, or of small storage bags in general. I'd like to defend the man-purse.
The thrust of the article is not that men ought to buy more stuff to engage in capitalistic excess and fill the man-purses of fashion brand execs. Nor is it to argue that the purse is always the best tool for every job of carrying things. Rather, the argument is this: There are many occasions where carrying a purse would be the most practical thing to do, but men are loathe to do this because of societal norms. So, the author's lament should be one people here are sympathetic to: arbitrary social rules cause us to make sub-optimal choices.
Purses as practical accessories
The argument has two premises: (1) there are social norms against men carrying purses, and (2) carrying purses would often be practical. No one here really disputes (1), so I'll defend (2).
A purse solves the problem of moving items between garments
If I need to change pants for whatever reason (typically out of motorcycle pants and into street pants) I need to move everything from my pockets to the new pants. A purse would transfer everything much more conveniently.
It speeds up arrival / departure
Typically, I grab my house keys, vehicle keys, wallet, and other small personal effects (inhaler, gum, whatever) on my way out the door. I shuffle them into my pant or jacket pockets. When I get home, I fish them out and put them back in their places. With a purse, I would just leave all that stuff in the bag and grab it on my way out.
It prevents wear on pants
Fabric fades from stress from having stuff in your pockets. How many jeans have you seen with clear phone/wallet outlines? Holes from keys?
It gives your pants cleaner lines
Walking around with your front pockets stuffed full of your effects like a squirrel preparing for winter looks worse than having a flat fronted pant. A wallet in the back is bad for your hips, and doesn't make your butt look as good. And sometimes looking good matters.
This concludes my defense of premise (2). I think it's pretty clear that purses are practical, and have advantages over just using pockets.
Purses vs alternatives
Many here have argued that while pockets alone aren't sufficient, there are other accessories that men already wear that are better than purses. I want to consider these arguments here.
Backpacks: Yes, they hold more. Yes, they are more comfortable over the long haul. If you need to hold a lot of stuff, bike with it, or go for a hike, this is the better choice. But backpacks are big. It's something you need to manage--find a place for it at the bar, make a plan to store it in a locker at a concert. Purses can just fit in wherever. It's also harder to find your small effects in a backpack due to their volume.
Backpacks do not work as accessories on all occasions. It would be weird to bring a backpack to an upscale restaurant for dinner, for example. A purse would fill that niche better.
Backpacks are also less convenient to access: you have to take them off to get your stuff. Not so with a purse.
Messenger bags: Solve the problem of accessibility, somewhat. But still not appropriate for going out, and still too big for many venues (crowded bars, concerts, etc.)
DC is full of people who wear backpacks with their business suits on the bus or metro. It looks terrible! I want to tell them all to get a briefcase or a nice messenger bag.
Backpacks do not work as accessories on all occasions. It would be weird to bring a backpack to an upscale restaurant for dinner, for example. A purse would fill that niche better.
DC is full of people who wear backpacks with their business suits on the bus or metro.
It looks terrible! I want to tell them all to get a briefcase or a nice messenger bag.
I agree - it looks juvenile to me. But, to be fair, man-purses also "look terrible" to me right now. Both may just be societal norms weighing me down. So I can't really argue for man-purses on the...
I agree - it looks juvenile to me. But, to be fair, man-purses also "look terrible" to me right now. Both may just be societal norms weighing me down. So I can't really argue for man-purses on the grounds that backpacks look silly. Seems like the burden is on me to change my attitude.
The issue with the backpacks is they both wrinkle up your clothes and also get your back sweaty. Plus they're just kind of more utilitarian of a look than you want to have when you're trying to...
The issue with the backpacks is they both wrinkle up your clothes and also get your back sweaty. Plus they're just kind of more utilitarian of a look than you want to have when you're trying to look professional. There are more "business" style backpacks, but IMO that looks like trying to blend two diametrically opposed things. Like if you want to be a pickup truck be a pickup truck. If you want to be a classy towncar, be a classy towncar. If you try to do both you'll end up doing neither well.
Nah thieves don’t have any skill or finesse here. If they want your stuff they’ll beat the shit out of you and take it. It’s mostly because government issued laptops are cheap pieces of crap that...
Nah thieves don’t have any skill or finesse here. If they want your stuff they’ll beat the shit out of you and take it.
It’s mostly because government issued laptops are cheap pieces of crap that are unreasonably heavy for the year 2023. And also people who wear suits because they have to don’t really care as much about how they look in them so they don’t bother trying to figure out ways to look smart.
Personally speaking, all of your reasons to carry a purse are anti-features or inapplicable to my life. “Shuffling” my daily essentials to my pockets takes practically no time - they all live in...
Personally speaking, all of your reasons to carry a purse are anti-features or inapplicable to my life. “Shuffling” my daily essentials to my pockets takes practically no time - they all live in the same place when I go to sleep so it’s automatic and doesn’t even take one minute to transfer - and the extra time and effort carrying a purse would be far more taxing to me. Instead of having my stuff on my body where it is easy to reach I would be constantly managing a purse, which is drammatically less convenient. I have rounded shoulders so any bag just rolls off of them and even if I were to cross it to the opposite shoulder it would be an extra attachment that would get in the way whenever I pass a narrow corridor or doorway., and it’s something to put down and pick up all day that can be easily forgotten.
The stuff you say about pants just plain never has been an issue for me. I have never had wear lines on the pockets before. Every pair of pants that I have owned have failed around the stitching from the wear of walking. And I’m a big lumpy person so there is no world in which my pants have clean lines to begin with. If you want your butt to look better, simply move your wallet from your rear pocket to a front pocket. Rear pockets are terrible anyways and I don’t get why anyone uses them.
Different strokes for different folks. I don't like the feeling of keys pressing into my thigh, or the awkward dance of fishing chapstick out of the bottom of my tight jeans' pocket. I don't like...
Different strokes for different folks. I don't like the feeling of keys pressing into my thigh, or the awkward dance of fishing chapstick out of the bottom of my tight jeans' pocket. I don't like the bulk of keys/wallet showing up in my front pocket in photos.
This, though, I found amusing:
even if I were to cross it to the opposite shoulder it would be an extra attachment that would get in the way whenever I pass a narrow corridor or doorway.
First the sort of bags the article mentions can be strapped to the chest. But, second, purses--not handbags, mind--are pretty small regardless. So I'm just picturing you--"a big lumpy person"--basically spelunking to work in a skintight suit a la The Phantom, through ancient corridors so small and thorny that a wallet size protrusion would spell death. That, my friend, is a radical way of life I fully support, and one where a purse would clearly be a burden. (Though even The Phantom found room for gun holsters on his thighs...)
It's more of a matter of me getting extremely annoyed when I accidentally topple something off of a shelf or table inadvertantly by an extra appendage, or feeling encumbered generally. I don't...
It's more of a matter of me getting extremely annoyed when I accidentally topple something off of a shelf or table inadvertantly by an extra appendage, or feeling encumbered generally. I don't even like backpacks for the same reason.
I do, however, put my keys on a belt loop, janitor style. My keyring is full of extraneous keys (including one that i use as a glorified package opener), keychains, and extra linked keyrings. When I was young I would lose my keys too often, and when I have them in my pockets they just feel like they're already lost.
I'm also very much a jeans guy and jeans have almost extraneously large side pockets. At one point in the 90s I had a pair of jeans with pockets so large I could fit a water bottle in it.
We've found the crucial difference! I wear stupidly tight hipster pants and can barely fit my hand + slim card holder in the front pocket. So a small bag would solve a problem that I have made for...
We've found the crucial difference! I wear stupidly tight hipster pants and can barely fit my hand + slim card holder in the front pocket. So a small bag would solve a problem that I have made for myself. But my wife likes the way the pants look, so thats whats I gots.
You can get backpacks of any size you want. My 70-year-old mother wear tiny backpacks because she find it both cute and practical. They're like a purse that goes in the back. I don't really follow...
But backpacks are big
You can get backpacks of any size you want. My 70-year-old mother wear tiny backpacks because she find it both cute and practical. They're like a purse that goes in the back.
Backpacks do not work as accessories on all occasions. It would be weird to bring a backpack to an upscale restaurant for dinner, for example
I don't really follow those standards and will use my backpack wherever I want. That said, there are good looking backpacks.
I can't imagine I'd ever feel OK showing up to, say, a funeral in a black suit and backpack. Women can pull off a formal look plus a purse. It'd be nice to have the same flexibility for men,...
I can't imagine I'd ever feel OK showing up to, say, a funeral in a black suit and backpack. Women can pull off a formal look plus a purse. It'd be nice to have the same flexibility for men, without the societal (ahem) baggage that comes with it.
I do realize that there are plenty of people who DGAF about norms, fashion, or their own appearance, and I am 100% in support of that. But for the rest of us, it'd be nice to have some options.
I'm not sure about what you'd even need a bag for at a funeral, but there are small messenger style bags that go well with formalwear. I've also seen small sized ones - smaller than a sheet of...
I'm not sure about what you'd even need a bag for at a funeral, but there are small messenger style bags that go well with formalwear. I've also seen small sized ones - smaller than a sheet of letter/A4 paper - though at that point they're basically purses anyways.
I don't even use a wallet now, I have a card holder with enough space on one side to hold some cash. The Bellroy ones are cool, https://bellroy.com/products/category/card-holders The ashtray in my...
i often carry a small shoulder bag for my keys, wallet, phone, a small notebook and pen. it's just more comfortable than stuffing things in my pockets, and i don't carry enough to justify a backpack.
i often carry a small shoulder bag for my keys, wallet, phone, a small notebook and pen. it's just more comfortable than stuffing things in my pockets, and i don't carry enough to justify a backpack.
Same! I got the fjallraven high coast pocket and I love it. It’s small enough to not feel uncomfortable to wear for long periods of time and it keeps my pockets free from bulk. I think that as...
Same! I got the fjallraven high coast pocket and I love it. It’s small enough to not feel uncomfortable to wear for long periods of time and it keeps my pockets free from bulk.
I think that as tech becomes more pervasive, small bags will become more popular. Keys, wallet, and phone are one thing, but if people are carrying around wireless earbuds or future smart glasses around, we need more space to hold it all.
I got a small bag when the weather got too warm to wear a jacket, since I take my Kindle everywhere with me and my regular pockets aren’t big enough for it. Fast forward to jacket weather again,...
I got a small bag when the weather got too warm to wear a jacket, since I take my Kindle everywhere with me and my regular pockets aren’t big enough for it.
Fast forward to jacket weather again, and I’m still carrying it around; I don’t know why I never carried a bag before. It’s awesome, and now I always carry my smaller Kindle for reading, larger Kindle for writing, and a bag of dog treats for the dogs I meet that can have one.
I used to wear a purse (nothing expensive but it was a women's purse, not something more ambiguous) and honestly it wasn't great. It hurt my should carrying it around all the time and most of the...
I used to wear a purse (nothing expensive but it was a women's purse, not something more ambiguous) and honestly it wasn't great. It hurt my should carrying it around all the time and most of the things I kept in it weren't actually necessary to carry around on my person, so it just weighed me down. I switched to a slimmer wallet I could fit in my pocket and that suits me a lot more. If I'm going out and I might need some of the things I would carry in a purse, I'll bring my backpack and use that instead.
I have this pack from Aliexpress and its awesome. I don't wear it every day, but I do wear it often. You can sling it or just wear it around your waist. I prefer the waist -- just a little loose...
I have this pack from Aliexpress and its awesome. I don't wear it every day, but I do wear it often. You can sling it or just wear it around your waist. I prefer the waist -- just a little loose but not like Han Solo.
Ive used backpacks, side bags/satchels, cross body bags (those small ones). its the availability of pockets for me more than anything. Umbrellas, bottles and bags in bags. If im going to carry...
Ive used backpacks, side bags/satchels, cross body bags (those small ones). its the availability of pockets for me more than anything. Umbrellas, bottles and bags in bags. If im going to carry more than a handful of stuff ie to work i will use a backpack as anything smaller wont do (i like pockets in work shorts/pants but unwieldy for water bottles etc.a "handbag" or a male "bum" bag as we call them are too small for practical use - even on holidays - day bags are a bit too light and small imho
Yes, I think the handbag problem is mainly solved by having pockets that actually fit things. Everything I habitually carry around - keys, phone, hankie, pocketknife, wallet - fits into my pockets...
Yes, I think the handbag problem is mainly solved by having pockets that actually fit things. Everything I habitually carry around - keys, phone, hankie, pocketknife, wallet - fits into my pockets and if I'm carrying more I generally either have a specific bag for the thing in question (e.g. my camera gear) or it's enough that a backpack is the sensible option.
More power to you for being that prepared but out of genuine curiosity, how often do you need any of that stuff? Do you live in a city and use public transportation? I may carry some of those...
More power to you for being that prepared but out of genuine curiosity, how often do you need any of that stuff? Do you live in a city and use public transportation?
I may carry some of those things in my car (charger, gum, pen and paper) but, other than the charger, I rarely really use them. I use the pens so rarely that they either get gooey or dry up so if I need something written down I'll text myself the information. The gum sits in my car long enough that it gets nasty from the heat here in Florida. If someone doesn't use a car regularly I might see the desire.
On occasion I will carry a full change of clothes for work since I go into the warehouse during the summer at the food bank I work at from time to time but even if its once a month I can't foresee the need to carry around a backpack full of clothes all the time.
I live in a semi-rural area and while some of those things might be nice to have on occasion, I've never found myself in a position to be like "OMG I need a tylenol right now!!" I might wish I had one maybe once or twice a year but never enough to have to lug some around with me the other 360+ days of the year.
Reading your list reminded me of all the times my SO changes bags/mini backpacks. Every single time she's like "Why in the world do I have a 9v battery in here?!" or she'll find an unopened aspirin bottle that is close or already out of date.
I do, yes. Since I got auto-tinting ones I no longer carry around sunglasses. Since I wear mine pretty much all the time I don't really notice any discomfort anymore. I'm a heathen that just...
Do you wear glasses? I think it's nice to have a place to put them, because sometimes wearing them is uncomfortable to me.
I do, yes. Since I got auto-tinting ones I no longer carry around sunglasses. Since I wear mine pretty much all the time I don't really notice any discomfort anymore. I'm a heathen that just cleans his glasses with a tissue or a clean part of my shirt so I don't carry a case or that little cleaning rag they give you.
That's basically me (even though I take other pain killers than tylenol), like all the time! Haha. Especially in social situations when it's even more unpleasant to be visibly in pain. But I also have chronic pain issues.
I'm sure that sucks, friend.
Thank you for sharing your use-case scenario with me!
I've had 2 different pair. One from a local optometrist and the other from Walmart Optical about 6 years later (the optometrist had retired and I was a little impatient). I have medical...
I've had 2 different pair. One from a local optometrist and the other from Walmart Optical about 6 years later (the optometrist had retired and I was a little impatient). I have medical reimbursement at work so I kind of went "wild" with options (bendable non breaking frames, auto-tint, anti starburst, scratch resistant lenses, etc) My first pair was around $450 while my last pair was a little over $300. I got some basic level $100 frames both times (mainly due to the flex tech) The only difference I can tell is that the anti-glare/starburst film was better on my first pair.
For me the bendable, unbreakable frames were just a good idea after having kids. The anti-starburst film is so helpful at night and literally was a game changer (although I think the Walmart glasses used a cheaper version of Crizal or perhaps a knock-off).
I'm not sure why I had been resistant to the auto-tint until my dad got a pair. I was amazed at how I didn't even notice them getting darker/lighter. They're so subtle that sometimes I am shocked when I look in the rearview mirror and see dark lenses. Very rarely will I notice how dark it is when I go inside after being outside (usually just when no lights are on in the house when I enter).
Since I wear my glasses all the time now (not true with my first pair) they are definately in my category of "do not skimp on" even if I didn't get full reimbursement (but that def. helps)
While many of these things are things one wouls keep in a purse, I absolutely have never known someone who carries a change of clothes in their purse. Absolutely impressed with you if you do that.
While many of these things are things one wouls keep in a purse, I absolutely have never known someone who carries a change of clothes in their purse. Absolutely impressed with you if you do that.
I never would've had room for a top or pants in my purses back when I used one! Socks or underwear maybe, but I didn't usually expect to need a change of clothes like that lol! Tbf I also never...
I never would've had room for a top or pants in my purses back when I used one! Socks or underwear maybe, but I didn't usually expect to need a change of clothes like that lol!
Tbf I also never carried an umbrella (which DID cause problems occasionally) so I think I might be on the opposite end of the spectrum there lol.
I keep a T-shirt, shorts, underwear and socks in the boot of my car. In the winter I'll throw a spare sweater in there too. That's on top of any duffel I may be carrying for clothes as well. I...
I keep a T-shirt, shorts, underwear and socks in the boot of my car. In the winter I'll throw a spare sweater in there too. That's on top of any duffel I may be carrying for clothes as well.
I couldn't imagine doing that if I didn't have a car though. When I get dirty working, I usually just like to wait until I'm home free to clean up entirely.
I mean, that's a consideration to put in place but if you've got an enclosed trunk or rear area cover for a hatchback you can keep those items without the whole world knowing about them.
I mean, that's a consideration to put in place but if you've got an enclosed trunk or rear area cover for a hatchback you can keep those items without the whole world knowing about them.
That’s pretty much maxing out the amount of comfortable things you can put in your pocket, though. Any more and it bulges out unfashionably. What if you want to take AirPods out? Some gum?...
That’s pretty much maxing out the amount of comfortable things you can put in your pocket, though. Any more and it bulges out unfashionably.
What if you want to take AirPods out? Some gum? Tickets? A receipt you got while buying something?
If you have sunglasses, it’s nice to have somewhere else to put them other than your shirt.
Back in the OG covid days, you’d want hand sanitizer.
If I’m ever traveling I always bring a tertiary bag. I’m usually OK without it in daily life, although it’s getting borderline.
I could easily fit more in my pockets. Phone goes in my left front pocket, wallet in my right rear pocket, keys go on a belt loop. That still leaves my front right and left rear pockets empty. If...
I could easily fit more in my pockets. Phone goes in my left front pocket, wallet in my right rear pocket, keys go on a belt loop. That still leaves my front right and left rear pockets empty.
If I really need to bring more stuff, I'll take a backpack, but that's rare. If I really need something it's probably available close by to buy or borrow (hand sanitizer was available for free everywhere I went) or I'll just deal with not having it. I'd never consider a handbag because they're inferior to backpacks in every way.
There's a difference between "can" and "comfortably". I never put anything in my rear pocket regardless. A backpack is such a huge jump - you have to take your backpack off to get anything out of...
There's a difference between "can" and "comfortably". I never put anything in my rear pocket regardless. A backpack is such a huge jump - you have to take your backpack off to get anything out of except for water bottle pockets, or do that awkward half strap thing, and it's significantly harder to coordinate backpack with your clothes in a way that makes sense. Not to mention that many venues don't let you in with a backpack sized bag. Sometimes, you just need a backpack for practicality reasons when you require a large carrying capacity, but there's a lot of middle zone there.
It doesn't need to be a "handbag". Call it a satchel, or a crossbody bag, or whatever. A tertiary, smaller bag that sits to your side or front for easy access is simply a useful, and practical item, that's significantly easier to style, and has been worn by "men" in varying capacities for millenia.
It all fits very comfortably. I don't see the problem. My wallet is a small thin wallet that only holds a few cards. It can easily go front right pocket too if need be.
It all fits very comfortably. I don't see the problem. My wallet is a small thin wallet that only holds a few cards. It can easily go front right pocket too if need be.
I don’t think we can reconcile these positions. I’ll end with mentioning that this insistence that men don’t need tertiary bags is a modern Western idea. Crossbody bags are in fashion for men in...
I don’t think we can reconcile these positions. I’ll end with mentioning that this insistence that men don’t need tertiary bags is a modern Western idea. Crossbody bags are in fashion for men in Japan and China at least, and it’s fairly commonly seen.
I don't live in Japan or China and I generally don't really care about what fashion tells me to do. Fashion is mostly just big companies telling people what to buy anyway. I just don't like...
I don't live in Japan or China and I generally don't really care about what fashion tells me to do. Fashion is mostly just big companies telling people what to buy anyway.
I just don't like carrying extra stuff unless I absolutely cannot go without it. I used to leave my wallet at home too until I got a ticket for not having my driver's license with me.
This is my response to the article as well. I don't need or want to carry that much stuff all the time. Occasionally I'll have a backpack with me that has a full change of clothes and deodorant to...
This is my response to the article as well.
I don't need or want to carry that much stuff all the time. Occasionally I'll have a backpack with me that has a full change of clothes and deodorant to change at work (and even then only in the summer maybe a few times a month). The only reason I don't keep it if my car is that my deodorant would melt in the heat.
For anything else, I had specialized bags (laptop bag, diaper bag for when the kids were smaller, etc) and even those were limited use and not a daily requirement.
Isn't that a bit too much already? Whenever I go out, I take with me the items you mentioned and my AirPods and if I'm not wearing a jacket, my pockets are simply not large enough to carry...
Isn't that a bit too much already? Whenever I go out, I take with me the items you mentioned and my AirPods and if I'm not wearing a jacket, my pockets are simply not large enough to carry everything without making myself look ridiculous with bulky pockets.
With a handbag, not only am I able to carry all that stuff with ease but I also have more room to have other items with me, like a multitool, pen, hand sanitizer, backup mask, and stuff like that.
Easily fits into my pockets. I don't wear skinny jeans or something. Phone goes front left, wallet goes rear right, keys go on belt loop. Plenty of room. If I needed to take a bag, it would be a...
Easily fits into my pockets. I don't wear skinny jeans or something.
Phone goes front left, wallet goes rear right, keys go on belt loop. Plenty of room.
If I needed to take a bag, it would be a backpack, never a handbag.
I feel like this one line undermines the author's point about handbags being about liberation and breaking the mold. It's all about capitalism and probably always has been.
Marketing people are desperate to get as many people to buy their garbage as possible, more at 11. It's so tiring to constantly be manipulated to try and consume more garbage.
Right? Why do I want to liberate myself into something I don't need that also happens to cost a lot of money?
If anything, I feel women's clothing should have deeper pockets. Why waste money on a handbag when your pants could do the trick?
I'm fine with a belt bag. yes, it's ugly, but useful. The no name brands found in street markets are the best. Even better if it's homemade but the seller
Used to carry a crappy satchel with a Puerto Rican flag on it. Eventually it got too full, so upgraded to backpack.
Agreed. The whole premise of the article is that fashion is used to liberate oppressed groups. If that is the case, then tell me: what is it that men need to be liberated from and how will a purse help them with that?
But a free canvas shoulder bag is hardly the liberating fashion statement the article has in mind, isn't it?
I imagine for most men, the case for purses or shoulder bags is one where pockets do not suffice but a backpack is overkill. That's a narrow niche, particularly if you throw simple tote bags in as another alternative. Unless you throw in fashion arguments, which most men rate less than utility.
I don't see what problems a purse or handbag would solve that a backpack does not solve. I see a lot of people carrying backpacks around in cities, both to work and to random social events. A handbag just seems less practical.
Backpacks are less available. Other than the water bottle pockets, you really need to take it off to get something out. I usually use a crossbody bag if what I'm carrying doesn't need a backpack for the much easier access.
Their size can also be a disadvantage. Many venues won't let backpacks in, for instance. Having to take it off when you sit down is another time when you can lose it.
Having forgotten my backpack or cinch bag a fair few times when going out in the evenings, a fanny pack worn around your shoulder is probably the most practical alternative to handbags. You don't necessarily need to take it off and don't need to stuff your pocket with things you want to carry around.
Pockets have become increasingly unsatisfying for me lately. Once I got a car the key fob ends up being kind of big. And the phones have also gotten kind of big and bulky now. It ruins the silhouette of my pants and is uncomfortable to sit with it in besides.
Fall and winter are nice because I usually have big, roomy pockets in my jackets. But in summer no such luck.
Satchels and side bags do well at providing space and easy access. I wore one for quite a while during my commute, but they were frustrating when you needed to run to catch a bus.
Size. The problem a small bag that you can carry in your hand solves is the size of a backpack. Sometimes I just need my essentials like keys, wallet, phone and a pen but don’t want to schlepp around my pack and don’t want all of that in my pant pockets.
I recently opted to get one of those small pouches and am loving it.
I also sometimes use a "purse" for this same reason. They are common among men where I live, and they are not fancy neccessarily (mine isn't, and actually came with a backpack a relative bought years and years ago). I would not use a bag that must be carried in my hands, though.
The other reason I will add is that a shoulder bag is much more comfortable in hot and humid weather. This is especially true if you are commuting by bike!
All of these are moot when one considers the convenience of messenger bags. Chrome or Timbuk2 are nice.
I can't see any reason a dude would take a purse over a messenger bag, or a backpack over a messenger bag unless carrying capacity becomes an issue (even then you can get giant messenger bags that are still more accessible than backpacks).
For heavy cargo or longer walks a backpack is much better for your back.
What I use is basically a "messenger bag" but smaller and made of light nylon. Like others have already said, there are times when less is more.
I think it comes down to whether or not it can be turned into a fashion statement rather than something of pure practicality. The problem it solves is a problem that is created by stylistic factors. Of course there's some balance of practical and appearance to strike, otherwise many more people would probably wear fanny packs if it were strictly about practical. For me, I wear cargo shorts, which isn't known for being fashionable, but is very practical. If I need something more than that, then backpack it is. I don't have it in me to put in the effort that it requires to be fashionable, but I'm also a loner so I wouldn't assume that my choices are best for everyone.
I there's enough guys out there that are more conscientious of style and somehow it becomes a stylistic advantage to use a handbag, then surely some will do it. As to how companies manage to pull that off I don't know, but to each their own I suppose.
And worn on just one side they negatively affect your posture. Bags are symmetric and much healthier.
Do you keep your phone, keys, and wallet in your backpack or your pocket when wearing one?
Many women keep those things in a clutch or purse when they go out. It's much more convenient to access things in it.
In previous times professional men carried briefcases that fulfilled a similar function. But this is usually accomplished with messenger bags now, which are basically purses.
At the very least a satchel or shoulder bag will suffice. I can't see men buying into the fashion of handbags when more practical options are available
I feel like the author missed a chance to ask a better question about men's bags. Men obviously carry based on practicality (and sometimes brand) This thread is evidence enough but they note that men carry satchels... are we that removed from the hangover where we don't remember the razzing for carrying one of those? Why do we hold 'fashion' purses in higher regard? Why should 'men' start carrying them? My small crossbody bag carries all of the listed essentials that the author is perplexed about men's need for - but my car has those as well. Maybe that's the bigger difference in Western society? Men keep all that in the car. If I'm going somewhere where I need a change of clothes I've got a small duffel... which, really, isn't that just a purse as well?
So, the question isn't "Why don't men carry purses" but "what is the functional difference between a purse and the other bags men do carry?" Is there a direct analog to the purse that's exclusive to men? I don't carry a purse because they all look ugly to me. I have no problem carrying a tote bag, which is essentially a purse, on my shoulder though.
Personally I never go anywhere without my backpack. I don't have a car, my bag has everything I think I might need while I'm away from home or might want if I get stuck away from home. Water, umbrella, portable USB charger, hand sanitizer, Kindle, cannabis vapes (no nicotine for me), laptop, lighters, spare Presto (public transit in Ontario) card, allergy pills... thinking of adding a travel sized toothpase/brush and deoderant too lmao. I don't see any reason to get a fancy bag when my backpack is easier to carry and holds more.
Yeah, you can't beat the back pack for your use case. it's perfect. To play devils advocate a bit, I find bringing a backpack out for an evening low grade stressful. Its one more thing I need to worry about (track). I feel liberated without it, if that makes sense.
Plus, with venue restrictions, if you have a bag you sometimes have to plan your night around it.
Messenger bags beat backpacks outright imo :)
I wouldn't want to go hiking with a messenger bag ;) That's an extreme case, but I think it serves as a good anchor point on the spectrum of use cases. Perhaps the more you're walking that particular day, the more you'd want to lean into backpack.
Noo, this is a totally fair point. I was considering daily use cases when commuting or wandering around a campus.
Hiking, or backpacking/traveling a backpack definitely has advantages. When I travel I actually use... All of the things. Large messenger bag across the chest; loadout bag with straps on my back; and smaller Timbuk2 bag on my hip/butt.
Man, I've been wanting to get something lighter than a backpack but with more capacity (and not as fugly) as like, a fanny pack or something. A messenger bag might just be it. If you use one, have you found it to be okay during periods of moving around more? I bike daily so loose fabric or bags with long handles are pretty terrible as they swing their mass back and forth constantly.
Messenger bags were specifically designed with this issue in mind. I like both Chrome and Timbuk2. Chrome is probably "better" but that is subjective.
The standard Chrome messenger bags you usually slide/rotate around to chest level for quick access. Timbuk2 can do this, or you can release it to full length to carry/access as a hip bag while not riding.
Both brands (and others) usually come with a stabilization strap to further help with stability. Even without it they generally stick to your back very well with barely any of that inverted pendulum feel backpacks have.
They also all come with a quick adjust/release on the main strap for tightening the strap down for riding, and then loosening it while walking.
My one and only Chrome bag is 15+ years old. Timbuk2 5 years. I use both regularly based on need. Used the chrome bag daily while cycling in undergrad (fixed gear), and occassionaly while motorbiking, now it is mostly used for travel as a carry on or personal item depending on if I am bringing a larger bag for a longer trip. I use the Timbuk2 daily now on my work commute by motorcycle.
I highly recommend either brand, main difference would be whether you think you'll want the ability to wear the bag at your hip while walking, or across the shoulder. If you want the hip bag position, get a Timbuk2. Chrome bags look cooler, and are made of stronger fabric. Both are water proof if closed correctly.
I think if you buy one, you will probably never go back to a backpack unless hiking.
Hey, thank you for the detailed reply. Sorry I'm following up like a day later, but I've been looking around about messenger bags and wanted to ask more questions from someone who clearly has a bunch of experience with them :)
Do you find they work with heavier loads? I feel like a laptop + books or tablet or whatever could add up to quite a bit of weight to be put on a single shoulder. What's your experience with this sort of loadout, so to say, if you're okay sharing that?
When riding it's basically not an issue because the weight is distributed across your back. It does depend how far/long you will be walking between rides. In undergrad I would ride to every class, so walking was limited to the distance from the bike rack to class. I wasn't walking around all day with the Chrome bag. However, you can lug around quite a lot of stuff comfortably. I think at maximum on a normal rainy/cold day I would carry: laptop, charger, notebook, hoodie, waterproof shell, small thermos or water bottle, tire change kit, and various random other stuff. Maybe one textbook if I had to (usually just used PDFs).
As for books... It depends what kind of books. Overpriced 1000 page hardcover text books, you could maybe do one + a laptop comfortably. Softcover are easier to deal with.
You could definitely do a normal laptop + tablet for PDFs. I wouldn't recommend lugging around a full size gaming laptop though. Also you want a sleeve or cover for both the laptop and tablet to keep random debris out.
Thanks for the review. If my generic messenger bag ever bites the dust, I now know what to look for as a replacement.
No worries. When that time comes I recommend measuring out the bag dimensions from the websites for different sizes to get a better idea in relation to your own size. The extra smalls are super small, and the xxls are ridiculously big.
The messenger bag I use on my bike has a second strap (sometimes literally called a cycling strap) that helps cinch it to the body. It still means the weight is a little off-center, but not as bad as letting it flop around.
I usually just lug around a single pannier that I can clip on or off my rear rack, but the messenger bag is useful when I'm doing more walking with a bag off-bike.
My wife gave me a messenger bag made out of leather many years ago, and I used it every day. That's also the state was in a while ago and I decided I also want more compartments, so I switched to a sling bag that has tons of compartments and is comfortable to carry and accessible at all times. Especially with a toddler it's nice to have a place and some extra space to put wet wipes or their water bottle.
Of course, there are also backpacks with many compartments but at that point a sling is just more convenient and seems to do the job better (e.g. quicker and easier access) for everyday life and I barely every get it completely full where I ran out of space. And of course I also have a bag pack if more space is needed (for day trips or hikes), but it's just less accessible (e.g. when I'm in a grocery store and quickly want to pay while having to put the groceries away and have to watch my toddler, it's just easier to look down, open a zipper and grab the wallet instead of having to get it from my back). And on the other hand, when I go to a doctor's appointment and I'm sitting in the waiting room and want to read my kindle, I don't want to carry a whole backpack and then just get my kindle out and that's it, that also feels like wasted space. I wouldn't wanna miss my sling anymore :D
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What a great review site! Thanks for sharing. I'm bookmarking this for next time I'm in the market for something.
I wish they had more guidance about traveling with children, but I guess that pushes things out of "backpacker" territory. But if anyone needs strategies to pack light and move more freely it's parents.
Backpacks are more practical and I use one all the time.
It would make more sense for women to wear backups, and many do.
Yup
A couple of years ago Kanken bags got really popular and I know many women who discovered how useful they are, many still use them to this day.
I think many people here have been missing the point of the article, or of small storage bags in general. I'd like to defend the man-purse.
The thrust of the article is not that men ought to buy more stuff to engage in capitalistic excess and fill the man-purses of fashion brand execs. Nor is it to argue that the purse is always the best tool for every job of carrying things. Rather, the argument is this: There are many occasions where carrying a purse would be the most practical thing to do, but men are loathe to do this because of societal norms. So, the author's lament should be one people here are sympathetic to: arbitrary social rules cause us to make sub-optimal choices.
Purses as practical accessories
The argument has two premises: (1) there are social norms against men carrying purses, and (2) carrying purses would often be practical. No one here really disputes (1), so I'll defend (2).
A purse solves the problem of moving items between garments
If I need to change pants for whatever reason (typically out of motorcycle pants and into street pants) I need to move everything from my pockets to the new pants. A purse would transfer everything much more conveniently.
It speeds up arrival / departure
Typically, I grab my house keys, vehicle keys, wallet, and other small personal effects (inhaler, gum, whatever) on my way out the door. I shuffle them into my pant or jacket pockets. When I get home, I fish them out and put them back in their places. With a purse, I would just leave all that stuff in the bag and grab it on my way out.
It prevents wear on pants
Fabric fades from stress from having stuff in your pockets. How many jeans have you seen with clear phone/wallet outlines? Holes from keys?
It gives your pants cleaner lines
Walking around with your front pockets stuffed full of your effects like a squirrel preparing for winter looks worse than having a flat fronted pant. A wallet in the back is bad for your hips, and doesn't make your butt look as good. And sometimes looking good matters.
This concludes my defense of premise (2). I think it's pretty clear that purses are practical, and have advantages over just using pockets.
Purses vs alternatives
Many here have argued that while pockets alone aren't sufficient, there are other accessories that men already wear that are better than purses. I want to consider these arguments here.
Backpacks: Yes, they hold more. Yes, they are more comfortable over the long haul. If you need to hold a lot of stuff, bike with it, or go for a hike, this is the better choice. But backpacks are big. It's something you need to manage--find a place for it at the bar, make a plan to store it in a locker at a concert. Purses can just fit in wherever. It's also harder to find your small effects in a backpack due to their volume.
Backpacks do not work as accessories on all occasions. It would be weird to bring a backpack to an upscale restaurant for dinner, for example. A purse would fill that niche better.
Backpacks are also less convenient to access: you have to take them off to get your stuff. Not so with a purse.
Messenger bags: Solve the problem of accessibility, somewhat. But still not appropriate for going out, and still too big for many venues (crowded bars, concerts, etc.)
DC is full of people who wear backpacks with their business suits on the bus or metro.
It looks terrible! I want to tell them all to get a briefcase or a nice messenger bag.
I agree - it looks juvenile to me. But, to be fair, man-purses also "look terrible" to me right now. Both may just be societal norms weighing me down. So I can't really argue for man-purses on the grounds that backpacks look silly. Seems like the burden is on me to change my attitude.
The issue with the backpacks is they both wrinkle up your clothes and also get your back sweaty. Plus they're just kind of more utilitarian of a look than you want to have when you're trying to look professional. There are more "business" style backpacks, but IMO that looks like trying to blend two diametrically opposed things. Like if you want to be a pickup truck be a pickup truck. If you want to be a classy towncar, be a classy towncar. If you try to do both you'll end up doing neither well.
Could it be a anti-theft/personal safety thing?
It's much harder to snatch and grab a backpack like a briefcase or purse before running off.
Nah thieves don’t have any skill or finesse here. If they want your stuff they’ll beat the shit out of you and take it.
It’s mostly because government issued laptops are cheap pieces of crap that are unreasonably heavy for the year 2023. And also people who wear suits because they have to don’t really care as much about how they look in them so they don’t bother trying to figure out ways to look smart.
Personally speaking, all of your reasons to carry a purse are anti-features or inapplicable to my life. “Shuffling” my daily essentials to my pockets takes practically no time - they all live in the same place when I go to sleep so it’s automatic and doesn’t even take one minute to transfer - and the extra time and effort carrying a purse would be far more taxing to me. Instead of having my stuff on my body where it is easy to reach I would be constantly managing a purse, which is drammatically less convenient. I have rounded shoulders so any bag just rolls off of them and even if I were to cross it to the opposite shoulder it would be an extra attachment that would get in the way whenever I pass a narrow corridor or doorway., and it’s something to put down and pick up all day that can be easily forgotten.
The stuff you say about pants just plain never has been an issue for me. I have never had wear lines on the pockets before. Every pair of pants that I have owned have failed around the stitching from the wear of walking. And I’m a big lumpy person so there is no world in which my pants have clean lines to begin with. If you want your butt to look better, simply move your wallet from your rear pocket to a front pocket. Rear pockets are terrible anyways and I don’t get why anyone uses them.
Different strokes for different folks. I don't like the feeling of keys pressing into my thigh, or the awkward dance of fishing chapstick out of the bottom of my tight jeans' pocket. I don't like the bulk of keys/wallet showing up in my front pocket in photos.
This, though, I found amusing:
First the sort of bags the article mentions can be strapped to the chest. But, second, purses--not handbags, mind--are pretty small regardless. So I'm just picturing you--"a big lumpy person"--basically spelunking to work in a skintight suit a la The Phantom, through ancient corridors so small and thorny that a wallet size protrusion would spell death. That, my friend, is a radical way of life I fully support, and one where a purse would clearly be a burden. (Though even The Phantom found room for gun holsters on his thighs...)
It's more of a matter of me getting extremely annoyed when I accidentally topple something off of a shelf or table inadvertantly by an extra appendage, or feeling encumbered generally. I don't even like backpacks for the same reason.
I do, however, put my keys on a belt loop, janitor style. My keyring is full of extraneous keys (including one that i use as a glorified package opener), keychains, and extra linked keyrings. When I was young I would lose my keys too often, and when I have them in my pockets they just feel like they're already lost.
I'm also very much a jeans guy and jeans have almost extraneously large side pockets. At one point in the 90s I had a pair of jeans with pockets so large I could fit a water bottle in it.
We've found the crucial difference! I wear stupidly tight hipster pants and can barely fit my hand + slim card holder in the front pocket. So a small bag would solve a problem that I have made for myself. But my wife likes the way the pants look, so thats whats I gots.
You can get backpacks of any size you want. My 70-year-old mother wear tiny backpacks because she find it both cute and practical. They're like a purse that goes in the back.
I don't really follow those standards and will use my backpack wherever I want. That said, there are good looking backpacks.
I can't imagine I'd ever feel OK showing up to, say, a funeral in a black suit and backpack. Women can pull off a formal look plus a purse. It'd be nice to have the same flexibility for men, without the societal (ahem) baggage that comes with it.
I do realize that there are plenty of people who DGAF about norms, fashion, or their own appearance, and I am 100% in support of that. But for the rest of us, it'd be nice to have some options.
Sure. But how many funerals are you going to on a regular basis? I hope not many! :)
I'm not sure about what you'd even need a bag for at a funeral, but there are small messenger style bags that go well with formalwear. I've also seen small sized ones - smaller than a sheet of letter/A4 paper - though at that point they're basically purses anyways.
Wallet, phone, keys, tissues all need to go somewhere.
No offense, but this might be the single-most British statement I've ever read.
In case the queen (God rests her soul) needed extra jam for the marmalade sandwich in her purse?
I don't even use a wallet now, I have a card holder with enough space on one side to hold some cash.
The Bellroy ones are cool, https://bellroy.com/products/category/card-holders
The ashtray in my car is my coin holder for paying for parking.
i often carry a small shoulder bag for my keys, wallet, phone, a small notebook and pen. it's just more comfortable than stuffing things in my pockets, and i don't carry enough to justify a backpack.
Same! I got the fjallraven high coast pocket and I love it. It’s small enough to not feel uncomfortable to wear for long periods of time and it keeps my pockets free from bulk.
I think that as tech becomes more pervasive, small bags will become more popular. Keys, wallet, and phone are one thing, but if people are carrying around wireless earbuds or future smart glasses around, we need more space to hold it all.
I got a small bag when the weather got too warm to wear a jacket, since I take my Kindle everywhere with me and my regular pockets aren’t big enough for it.
Fast forward to jacket weather again, and I’m still carrying it around; I don’t know why I never carried a bag before. It’s awesome, and now I always carry my smaller Kindle for reading, larger Kindle for writing, and a bag of dog treats for the dogs I meet that can have one.
I used to wear a purse (nothing expensive but it was a women's purse, not something more ambiguous) and honestly it wasn't great. It hurt my should carrying it around all the time and most of the things I kept in it weren't actually necessary to carry around on my person, so it just weighed me down. I switched to a slimmer wallet I could fit in my pocket and that suits me a lot more. If I'm going out and I might need some of the things I would carry in a purse, I'll bring my backpack and use that instead.
I have this pack from Aliexpress and its awesome. I don't wear it every day, but I do wear it often. You can sling it or just wear it around your waist. I prefer the waist -- just a little loose but not like Han Solo.
Ive used backpacks, side bags/satchels, cross body bags (those small ones). its the availability of pockets for me more than anything. Umbrellas, bottles and bags in bags. If im going to carry more than a handful of stuff ie to work i will use a backpack as anything smaller wont do (i like pockets in work shorts/pants but unwieldy for water bottles etc.a "handbag" or a male "bum" bag as we call them are too small for practical use - even on holidays - day bags are a bit too light and small imho
Me personally a wallet and a backpack fulfills most of those needs for me. I don't think a purse will be a universal hit in the man department...
I don't see why most men would ever need to carry a bag. Wallet, phone, keys, what else do you need?
Yes, I think the handbag problem is mainly solved by having pockets that actually fit things. Everything I habitually carry around - keys, phone, hankie, pocketknife, wallet - fits into my pockets and if I'm carrying more I generally either have a specific bag for the thing in question (e.g. my camera gear) or it's enough that a backpack is the sensible option.
More power to you for being that prepared but out of genuine curiosity, how often do you need any of that stuff? Do you live in a city and use public transportation?
I may carry some of those things in my car (charger, gum, pen and paper) but, other than the charger, I rarely really use them. I use the pens so rarely that they either get gooey or dry up so if I need something written down I'll text myself the information. The gum sits in my car long enough that it gets nasty from the heat here in Florida. If someone doesn't use a car regularly I might see the desire.
On occasion I will carry a full change of clothes for work since I go into the warehouse during the summer at the food bank I work at from time to time but even if its once a month I can't foresee the need to carry around a backpack full of clothes all the time.
I live in a semi-rural area and while some of those things might be nice to have on occasion, I've never found myself in a position to be like "OMG I need a tylenol right now!!" I might wish I had one maybe once or twice a year but never enough to have to lug some around with me the other 360+ days of the year.
Reading your list reminded me of all the times my SO changes bags/mini backpacks. Every single time she's like "Why in the world do I have a 9v battery in here?!" or she'll find an unopened aspirin bottle that is close or already out of date.
I do, yes. Since I got auto-tinting ones I no longer carry around sunglasses. Since I wear mine pretty much all the time I don't really notice any discomfort anymore. I'm a heathen that just cleans his glasses with a tissue or a clean part of my shirt so I don't carry a case or that little cleaning rag they give you.
I'm sure that sucks, friend.
Thank you for sharing your use-case scenario with me!
I've had 2 different pair. One from a local optometrist and the other from Walmart Optical about 6 years later (the optometrist had retired and I was a little impatient). I have medical reimbursement at work so I kind of went "wild" with options (bendable non breaking frames, auto-tint, anti starburst, scratch resistant lenses, etc) My first pair was around $450 while my last pair was a little over $300. I got some basic level $100 frames both times (mainly due to the flex tech) The only difference I can tell is that the anti-glare/starburst film was better on my first pair.
For me the bendable, unbreakable frames were just a good idea after having kids. The anti-starburst film is so helpful at night and literally was a game changer (although I think the Walmart glasses used a cheaper version of Crizal or perhaps a knock-off).
I'm not sure why I had been resistant to the auto-tint until my dad got a pair. I was amazed at how I didn't even notice them getting darker/lighter. They're so subtle that sometimes I am shocked when I look in the rearview mirror and see dark lenses. Very rarely will I notice how dark it is when I go inside after being outside (usually just when no lights are on in the house when I enter).
Since I wear my glasses all the time now (not true with my first pair) they are definately in my category of "do not skimp on" even if I didn't get full reimbursement (but that def. helps)
While many of these things are things one wouls keep in a purse, I absolutely have never known someone who carries a change of clothes in their purse. Absolutely impressed with you if you do that.
I never would've had room for a top or pants in my purses back when I used one! Socks or underwear maybe, but I didn't usually expect to need a change of clothes like that lol!
Tbf I also never carried an umbrella (which DID cause problems occasionally) so I think I might be on the opposite end of the spectrum there lol.
I keep a T-shirt, shorts, underwear and socks in the boot of my car. In the winter I'll throw a spare sweater in there too. That's on top of any duffel I may be carrying for clothes as well.
I couldn't imagine doing that if I didn't have a car though. When I get dirty working, I usually just like to wait until I'm home free to clean up entirely.
Keeping anything in your car overnight is a good way to get your windows broken here.
I mean, that's a consideration to put in place but if you've got an enclosed trunk or rear area cover for a hatchback you can keep those items without the whole world knowing about them.
Never need any of that. If I do happen to need something in a pinch that's what the wallet is for.
That’s pretty much maxing out the amount of comfortable things you can put in your pocket, though. Any more and it bulges out unfashionably.
What if you want to take AirPods out? Some gum? Tickets? A receipt you got while buying something?
If you have sunglasses, it’s nice to have somewhere else to put them other than your shirt.
Back in the OG covid days, you’d want hand sanitizer.
If I’m ever traveling I always bring a tertiary bag. I’m usually OK without it in daily life, although it’s getting borderline.
I could easily fit more in my pockets. Phone goes in my left front pocket, wallet in my right rear pocket, keys go on a belt loop. That still leaves my front right and left rear pockets empty.
If I really need to bring more stuff, I'll take a backpack, but that's rare. If I really need something it's probably available close by to buy or borrow (hand sanitizer was available for free everywhere I went) or I'll just deal with not having it. I'd never consider a handbag because they're inferior to backpacks in every way.
There's a difference between "can" and "comfortably". I never put anything in my rear pocket regardless. A backpack is such a huge jump - you have to take your backpack off to get anything out of except for water bottle pockets, or do that awkward half strap thing, and it's significantly harder to coordinate backpack with your clothes in a way that makes sense. Not to mention that many venues don't let you in with a backpack sized bag. Sometimes, you just need a backpack for practicality reasons when you require a large carrying capacity, but there's a lot of middle zone there.
It doesn't need to be a "handbag". Call it a satchel, or a crossbody bag, or whatever. A tertiary, smaller bag that sits to your side or front for easy access is simply a useful, and practical item, that's significantly easier to style, and has been worn by "men" in varying capacities for millenia.
It all fits very comfortably. I don't see the problem. My wallet is a small thin wallet that only holds a few cards. It can easily go front right pocket too if need be.
I don’t think we can reconcile these positions. I’ll end with mentioning that this insistence that men don’t need tertiary bags is a modern Western idea. Crossbody bags are in fashion for men in Japan and China at least, and it’s fairly commonly seen.
I don't live in Japan or China and I generally don't really care about what fashion tells me to do. Fashion is mostly just big companies telling people what to buy anyway.
I just don't like carrying extra stuff unless I absolutely cannot go without it. I used to leave my wallet at home too until I got a ticket for not having my driver's license with me.
This is my response to the article as well.
I don't need or want to carry that much stuff all the time. Occasionally I'll have a backpack with me that has a full change of clothes and deodorant to change at work (and even then only in the summer maybe a few times a month). The only reason I don't keep it if my car is that my deodorant would melt in the heat.
For anything else, I had specialized bags (laptop bag, diaper bag for when the kids were smaller, etc) and even those were limited use and not a daily requirement.
Isn't that a bit too much already? Whenever I go out, I take with me the items you mentioned and my AirPods and if I'm not wearing a jacket, my pockets are simply not large enough to carry everything without making myself look ridiculous with bulky pockets.
With a handbag, not only am I able to carry all that stuff with ease but I also have more room to have other items with me, like a multitool, pen, hand sanitizer, backup mask, and stuff like that.
Easily fits into my pockets. I don't wear skinny jeans or something.
Phone goes front left, wallet goes rear right, keys go on belt loop. Plenty of room.
If I needed to take a bag, it would be a backpack, never a handbag.
Bottle on most days. Umbrella when forecast looks bad.
Um, messenger bags?