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3 votes
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Firefly: Cultural representation or appropriation
If you haven't watched Firefly, this should still be safe to read. No spoilers. Let me start by saying I'm a huge fan of Firefly. If someone could somehow combined the core cast, the favour of the...
If you haven't watched Firefly, this should still be safe to read. No spoilers.
Let me start by saying I'm a huge fan of Firefly. If someone could somehow combined the core cast, the favour of the universe, the ship, the adventures and everything into one awesome person, that person would be my BFF. However, as an Asian, I probably would not be theirs.
Background
The series is a space cowboy western drama. It takes place in the year 2517 in assumed to be distant solar system from our Earth (Earth-that-was). From the comics, there's a brief comment that mentions Earth-that-was sent generation ships to colonize this new solar system. The ships were sent by the two main superpowers at the time - USA and China. This explains the general western feel mixed with, I'm going to call it - generic Asia.
Core characters
- Malcolm "Mal" Reynolds
- Zoe Alleyne Washburne
- Hoban "Wash" Washburne
- Inara Serra
- Jayne Cobb
- Kaywinnet Lee "Kaylee" Frye
- Dr. Simon Tam
- River Tam
- Derrial Book
- (The ship, Serenity)
And yes, though Kaylee, and the Tam's stand out as Asian-ish names, they are not Asian. In fact no one in the core cast is. There was mention that Kaylee was suppose to be, but they just fell in love with Jewel Staite. I honestly can't imagine another Kaylee, but still can't help but wonder. And to be honest, I'm not sure how I feel with the idea of the only Asian walking around as the only person wearing Chinese clothes.
Non-core characters
Too many to list, but feel free to scroll down the list on IMDb.
You'll find "Jim Lau" - Narrator. I also believe I saw an Asian woman in "Heart of Gold" but can't find her name, so I'm guessing it's an uncredited part.
That's right, in a universe settled by the Americans and Chinese, you'll see maybe one unnamed Asian.
Asia without Asians
But not seeing Asian people doesn't mean there's no Asian influence.
- Kaylee wears "Chinese" clothes a fair bit and even has a paper umbrella. Of course, if any of you have recently visited pretty much anywhere in China, you'll notice no Chinese people wear clothing like that walking their dog.
- Chinese food, like "bao" is also mentioned.
- Quirky Chinese things like "washing feet" and "hundreds of fat children" are woven in.
- The Chinese language in both written and spoken form are littered through-out. The ship, Serenity is named in Chinese (painted on her), but no one actually refers to her by it. Bits of Chinese are tossed around everywhere and obviously every person in this universe is expected to be fluent. There was Asian consultation on this part, so a lot of the language is "correct". They went out of their way to string together crazy sentences, so it's not anything most people would say, but honestly adds to the show. And for their part, you can tell the actors do put an effort in speaking it right, with varying levels of success.
Final thoughts
I still love the show, but do feel disappointed that someone can obviously love my culture so much to see its influence everywhere in this series, but not enough to actually include us.
Edit: formatting
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Why don't we have a Star Trek show from the aliens' point of view?
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Star Wars: The Clone Wars to return with 12 new episodes following its abrupt cancelation in 2014
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Nightflyers Season 1 Comic Con Trailer (based on the novella by George R. R. Martin)
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Doctor Who star Jodie Whittaker wants to encourage the “other half” of the population as the first female Doctor
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We Tried To Uncover The Long-Lost 'American Sailor Moon' And Found Something Incredible
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Stranger Things 3 | Teaser
@stranger_things: Ahoy! Something is coming... to Hawkins, Indiana! https://t.co/BI4wFRVzvB
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Steven Universe Discussion - Season 5 ends and general feelings of show's current path
Spoilers Ahead! All topics and current plot arcs are free reign!
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Paid Off: TV show offers to pay off student debt
5 votes -
What are the predominant foreign tv soaps in your country /area and what are the common plots on these shows?
during the 90s and early 00s we had an overwhelmingly south american supply of tv soaps, their themes most commonly center around money, intrigue, poor vs rich and the evil characters are...
during the 90s and early 00s we had an overwhelmingly south american supply of tv soaps, their themes most commonly center around money, intrigue, poor vs rich and the evil characters are cartoonishly evil and good characters are the pariahs of pariahs. Today we have Korean tv soaps where the theme mostly center on romcom and incredibly lighthearted and often humourous compared to the south american ones. the evil guys are not truly evil, their just the enemy because of the circumstance and the goog characters are not pariahs. my country is the Philippines by the way.
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Doctor Who star Jodie Whittaker says her Thirteenth Doctor is 'fizzing with wonder
9 votes -
First look at "The Expanse" season 4 concept art
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Buffy as a template
Buffy the Vampire Slayer series is one of my favourite series. And over the years, I can't help but notice Buffy inspirations in other TV shows, sometimes in characters, relationships, plot, and...
Buffy the Vampire Slayer series is one of my favourite series. And over the years, I can't help but notice Buffy inspirations in other TV shows, sometimes in characters, relationships, plot, and so on.
For example, (and my sister actually pointed this out to me), Supernatural seems to follow the conflict escalation patterns from Buffy. Both series kind of rollercoaster through the "monster of the week" to "self vs. external" (escalating big bads) to "self vs self" (e.g., addictions).
Note: I'm not saying people are copying Buffy, just that there are certain storytelling tools that are obviously very useful and effective that Buffy shares with other works.
What other shows/movies remain you of Buffy? What does Buffy remind you of?
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How ‘A Different World’ survived the downfall of Bill Cosby
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HBO must get bigger and broader, says its new overseer
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Every episode of "The Flash" ever
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Older shows to resurrect and binge
Over the past couple weeks I’ve gone and binged The Dick Van Dyke show on Netflix. Turns out, it’s fantastic! The writing is great and there’s all kinds of content that has been reused for modern...
Over the past couple weeks I’ve gone and binged The Dick Van Dyke show on Netflix. Turns out, it’s fantastic! The writing is great and there’s all kinds of content that has been reused for modern sitcoms.
What are some other older shows that folks recommend to watch and enjoy?
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Let's talk Buffy! Once More, With Spoilers.
Inspired by an earlier thread in this post I'd love to hear what other Buffy fans think about the show. What season is best and why? What elements of the show did you love, or hate? What did the...
Inspired by an earlier thread in this post I'd love to hear what other Buffy fans think about the show. What season is best and why? What elements of the show did you love, or hate? What did the show mean to you? Angel or Spike?
17 votes -
The Expanse season finale discussion thread
I've read the books up until Cibola Burn, so my impression comes from comparing my experience watching the story to reading it as told in print. Season 3 was incredibly rushed through and little...
I've read the books up until Cibola Burn, so my impression comes from comparing my experience watching the story to reading it as told in print.
Season 3 was incredibly rushed through and little of any character's motivations or thought are clarified as they still make more or less the same decisions. Two noteworthy characters (Pa, Bull) combined into one character (Drummer) whose actress only does one vocal and facial expression, which I happen to mirror every time she gets air time.
Show Ashford, an arguably much more sensible and intelligent man than Book Ashford, is unreasonably suddenly deemed necessary to reflect Book Ashford without any clear change in motivation.
So many things are done weirdly on the show that didn't need be done. Those are a few examples off the top of my head. What do you think?
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Inside the Netflix binge factory
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Something Else: A 1970s youth programme from the BBC
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Wild Wild Country: A Netflix documentary about the free love cult that took over an Oregon town in the 80s
9 votes -
Harlan Ellison wrote Star Trek’s greatest episode. He hated it.
14 votes -
Disenchantment | Teaser
11 votes -
‘Halo’ live-action TV series coming to Showtime
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Are you following Westworld? What did you think of the way they tied up the second season?
Just finished watching Westworld S02 Finale, and while it creates more questions than it answers I found the whole experience exhilarating. It's been an amazing ride all the way from S01E01 and to...
Just finished watching Westworld S02 Finale, and while it creates more questions than it answers I found the whole experience exhilarating. It's been an amazing ride all the way from S01E01 and to the post-credits scene in the finale. I'm glad they left room for another season (or 2, or more who knows) because an AI story shouldn't end when all the fun is just beginning.
There are a ton of things and references to explore and I'd love to hear what all of you have to say while waiting for that Alt+Shift+X video to drop to clear everything up.
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What anime are you looking forward to this season? (Summer 2018)
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Comedian Sam Kinison's first appearance on Letterman
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Would you visit Westworld?
Westworld Season 2 is in full swing and I love it so far, but would you live in Westworld if you could? A world with no consequences other than its own societal pressures seems pretty enticing...
Westworld Season 2 is in full swing and I love it so far, but would you live in Westworld if you could? A world with no consequences other than its own societal pressures seems pretty enticing...
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ABC will launch a ‘Roseanne’ spinoff without Roseanne in it
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Rick and Morty is getting 70 more new episodes (currently only has 31)
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Mr. Robot, my favourite show. Any fans already on ~ ?
The first season of this incredible show is my all time favourite season of any series so far. Great writing, great actors, incredible cinematography and so much more. Any fans already on ~ ?
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There’s a slew of “potential new” Star Trek shows underway, per report
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‘Modern Family, ‘Family Guy’ producers say they’re ‘disgusted’ and ‘embarrassed’ to work for Fox
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[Pilot] Condor
The show premiered on Audience Network a couple of weeks ago. Seems to be a classical CIA show, more in line with 24 than Homeland, I think. So if you miss the CTU, you might like this. It's not...
The show premiered on Audience Network a couple of weeks ago.
Seems to be a classical CIA show, more in line with 24 than Homeland, I think. So if you miss the CTU, you might like this. It's not as fast-paced so far though.
Dialogue is acceptable and acting is generally good. Nothing spectacular visually.
There was some amount of conflict and the tension builds up during the episode, with the mandatory cliffhanger ending.
Nothing disruptive in general, but entertaining and with maybe some potential.
The main character is too much of a hero (too much of a good guy) to be able to achieve some depth, IMO. He's too smart, too honest, too humble, too attractive, etc. That's my biggest grip once I accepted the show doesn't seem to want to create anything new, but was certainly watchable. I'm gonna watch the second episode now and see if it gets better
I'd say 7/10, but maybe it's just because I usually enjoy the genre. So maybe 6/10 trying to be more objective.
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The Thick Of It - Old show worthy of a binge
Anyone here fans of The Thick of It / In The Loop? Here's a sample of one of Malcom F. Tucker's classic bollockings:. https://youtu.be/6pOqqyFH7cU
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"The ABC is an indulgence we can no longer afford"
There's been a bit of a fuss about the Australian Broadcasting Commission over the past week or so, since the Federal Council of the Liberal Party passed a (non-binding) resolution that the ABC...
There's been a bit of a fuss about the Australian Broadcasting Commission over the past week or so, since the Federal Council of the Liberal Party passed a (non-binding) resolution that the ABC should be privatised.
In this context, I found this opinion piece by the President of the Young Liberals, explaining why he thinks "the ABC is an indulgence we can no longer afford", and thought it was an interesting read.
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Westworld - S02E09 "Vanishing Point" - Post-episode discussion thread
Use this thread to post your questions, theories or comments about S02E09 of Westworld.
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If you've seen all five to completion, rank and share your thoughts on the finales of The Leftovers, The Shield, Six Feet Under, The Wire, and LOST
These are my favorite series finales that I've seen. I know LOST is more of a controversial pick as there's really no lukewarm on the ending there. It's pretty much either pure love or absolute...
These are my favorite series finales that I've seen. I know LOST is more of a controversial pick as there's really no lukewarm on the ending there. It's pretty much either pure love or absolute loathing. The remaining shows' finales, however, are more or less universally loved by all who have seen them.
Whatever the small cross-section of the 1600 users here who have seen all five and want to comment, what are your thoughts on the five endings and how would you rank them?
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Brockmire
I just discovered IFC’s Brockmire. Anybody else watching this? For those who are not, it’s based around a character created and played by Hank Azaria. He plays a hilarious whoring and drug addled...
I just discovered IFC’s Brockmire. Anybody else watching this?
For those who are not, it’s based around a character created and played by Hank Azaria. He plays a hilarious whoring and drug addled baseball announcer. It’s worth watching if you are into dark comedies.
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“SKAM,” the Radical Teen Drama That Unfolds One Post at a Time
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[Pilot] Pose
Pose (imdb) Airing on FX since June 6. Centered around a group of mostly black LGBT people in NYC, towards the end of 1980s. Main themes seem to be social acceptance, underground culture and...
Pose (imdb)
Airing on FX since June 6.Centered around a group of mostly black LGBT people in NYC, towards the end of 1980s.
Main themes seem to be social acceptance, underground culture and pursuing one's dreams.
Nothing is terribly new, there's a bit of Billy Eliot and a lot of RuPaul's Drag Race, especially at the beginning (but all throughout). It is however pretty dynamic and entertaining. Seems to have a good mixture of fun, drama and social discussion.
Characters are well presented and generally likable, they seem real enough although a bit exaggerated, but I guess that's part of the setting. Cinematography is good, nice shots, I think I can see some of Feud's style as well.
There are some intimate moments and character development through unsaid actions, which is always nice. Some of the poignant moments were a bit cliché though.
All in all, good start, interesting enough, will keep watching for now. I'd say 7/10 for the pilot.
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Dietland
So I'm not really sure about this one. It's AMC. I had read something about it several weeks ago, and I expected more. It's, apparently, the story of this overweight woman working as a writer for...
So I'm not really sure about this one. It's AMC.
I had read something about it several weeks ago, and I expected more. It's, apparently, the story of this overweight woman working as a writer for a fashion magazine. She's very dissatisfied with her appearance and doing whatever she can to lose weight. She seems more resigned than depressed.
It looks like the main topics are self deprecation, self empowering, fat shaming, the-beauty-inside and I guess feminism. There is a second plot regarding a mystery that will surely be developed in later episodes.
All in all, for a 2-episode premiere, I thought it was pretty slow and felt like not a lot happened. The characters were a bit flat and stereotypical for my taste and dialogues weren't brilliant. I think there were probably some good insights here and there, but nothing really engaging for me. There wasn't a lot of tension and I can't really point any algid moment. There was just a funny line I think, and the dramatic scenes were very soft key.
I might give the next episode a chance, but probably only when I have nothing else to watch.
I'd say 5/10.
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Anime recommendations?
I just finished Anohana and I need another show to fill the void left in my heart :(
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Brooklyn Nine-nine... i'd watch it just for the cold openings...
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Westworld - S02E08 "Kiksuya" - Post-episode discussion thread
Use this thread to post your questions, theories or comments about S02E08 of Westworld.
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What are some TV shows you find yourself constant rewatching?
For me it's definitely The Office and Parks and Rec. I've probably seen both of those series about a half dozen times all the way through and whenever I find myself not wanting to make a decision...
For me it's definitely The Office and Parks and Rec. I've probably seen both of those series about a half dozen times all the way through and whenever I find myself not wanting to make a decision on a new show I just start it back up again.
What are some infinitely rewatchable shows y'all find yourself defaulting to regularly?
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Westworld - S02E07 "Les Écorchés" - Post-episode discussion thread
These threads worked pretty well over at /r/westworld, so hopefully they will work here too. Use this thread to post your questions, theories or comments about S02E07 of Westworld.
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The lost gay episode of Star Trek
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