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What would it take for a soup to be exciting?
According to this scientific diagram, soup is the most neutral of ideas. If you tell someone you're having soup for dinner, they'll ask what you're eating with it, as if soup were not a meal in itself. That's a tragedy. Soup is right up with bread as a symbol of nourishment. It makes your veggies tasty, and it something you don't even need teeth to enjoy - a treat for either extreme of the age spectrum!
What is it that you think that soup needs to be exciting again? Is it just a special flavor or specific texture? Or do you need gimmicks like tortilla strips or bread bowls? Do you need exotic ingredients?
Call it a stew and suddenly everyone will think it's an exciting and hearty meal.
Ok so there are obviously ways to make the soup itself exciting that other people are covering with their responses. However! I'd like to propose that we can also change the CONTEXT of the soup to make it a little more exciting. When I was a kid, my church would do soup potlucks every so often, and it kinda was exciting to be able to try a bunch of different soups, and privately confer about which ones were the best. In a similar vein, you could retool a chili cook-off to be a soup cook-off, and I think that would be a little more exciting, especially if you think old church ladies aren't the most exciting crowd...
A soup-off would be amazing. There's so much more freedom in the flavors you could accomplish! But it seems like judging it would be very difficult.
First of all, thanks for sharing. Randall is a genius and this comic is as funny as always.
However soup is not mid and never has been; soup is actually goated. Ramen (actually good, authentic ramen) is goated. Pho is goated. Just a good basic tomato soup is goated. Etc, etc.
People eat soup all the time. People even go out to eat soup all the time on purpose! But when you just call it "soup", people don't (immediately) think of the "exciting" soups, they think of chicken noodle soup from a can. But people are willing to pay $20/bowl for some noodles in hot pork water if you call it ramen.
So to answer your question, you just need to call it ramen, pho, or chowder. There may be other exciting soups that I am not thinking of or don't know about, but in general, if a restaurant can survive by just selling soup, that type of soup is probably exciting enough.
I really like this take on it, "soup" as a word does have a branding problem. I wonder if it's also to do with it often being a course rather than a main component of a meal in western dining tradition?
I'm a soup naysayer myself, and don't get excited by the prospect of a meal consisting entirely of soup (even delicious flavoursome soups, or noodle soups like ramen), they read as drinks to me. That said, I don't like thinner sauces either (generally not a fan of anything that's likely to splash when I eat too much too fast) so I might just be odd.
Corn chowder that can support a spoon vertically and good bread.
I just want to start by showing off the result of flipping to the soup section of celebrity chef Nick DiGiovanni's debut 2023 cookbook "Knife Drop": https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/84jdc3d36j4.png
On the following page it continues to the next section on sandwiches.
I kinda agree, things are pretty boring for the vast majority of soups found at chain restaurants, in cans, and as sides for larger meals. There's a value to that sometimes.
When I feel ill for instance, I don't want to be socked in the face with multi-leveled smorgasbords of texture and flavor; I just need simple nourishment and hydration along with some thermal heat to clear sinuses.
For those wanting more though, here are a few things I've picked up from higher level restaurants and home cooks over the years.
For thin, broth based soups make sure to include some form of gelatin or emulsifing/thickening agent. This is what gives certain soups a luxurious rich texture and can help bridge the gap between oil/fat and water which makes for a unctuous mouthfeel similar to pho or certain kinds of ramen. You can pull this off by making your own stock complete with bones and other animal bits (chicken feet are rich with collagen!) to render out natural gelatin or just use the method J. Kenji Lopez-alt talks about here. He also digs deep into the why along with the how, so give it a read.
Be careful with dairy when making soup with sharp flavors. For soups and stews with acidic, sour, or spicy flavors be careful with how much dairy you add if listed in a recipe. The biggest example for me was "White Chicken Chili" which is more of a green color due to the amount of chiles but you wouldn't really know due to all the jack cheese. Texas' heat-forward chili is another victim, with its customary dollop of sour cream.
Just taste things as you go and see if you might enjoy the pre-dairy result better. If you absolutely need that dash of white for plating appeal, try pureed white onions instead of cream.
Don't just simmer, blend. In nearly every soup I or my family makes, the immersion blender makes an appearance. Just ladle out some of the soup with a good amount of the solids and blend it finely before reintroducing it back to the pot. It's an easy way to get creamy textures for soups containing starches like potatoes, beans, legumes, or lentils and just generally drives flavors past what you can achieve by simmering alone.
Try and increase the number of textures. More new sensory experiences on the spoon helps stave off boredom. Asian fish-balls bring spingy textures, fried tofu can be fluffy, fried strips of wontons, fried onions, or tortillas can bring crunch. Adding blanched veggies later in the cooking process can preserve their snap. Think about how a soup's ingredients get used outside of soup and see if there are any textures or preparations you can hijack. You can get really crazy with this; I remember seeing someone make polenta/grits out of popped popcorn instead of the usual coarsely ground cornmeal.
There are a bunch more little things I could say but this is already approaching TED talk length.
This is all very good advice. A high-end traditional blender (cough cough Vitamix) will give you an even smoother texture than an immersion blender by an order of magnitude (and is basically required for the linked onion puree). I'm sure you know that but adding it for the group.
I didn't mention it because I've always wanted one and can't afford it, haha!
A proper rotor-stator homogenizer would be awesome to have too. I've seen demos where they make a no-additive emulsion of oil and water that stays stable for tens of hours.
I see some used units pop up on eBay in the < $300 price range but I just know they've had a long life making mouse mousse and Henrietta Lacks lattes in bio labs.
You might consider the Breville Fresh’n’Furious blender. It’s not quite a vitamix but it does the job well enough. I bought one with the advice of America’s Test Kitchen and it made me realize that a blender can be useful, actually, and not just a waste of space. Seriously, the other blenders I have used have been garbage, comparatively.
I grew up addicted to beef barley vegetable soups and frankly damn near every time a restaurant offered soup.
Now I have an electric pressure cooker. Ho ho ho.
But, seriously, they're the best thing ever for easy soups!
My soups are mostly made of refrigerator Velcro: whatever is lying around that I need to use. Most combinations work with perhaps a few exceptions!
My soup base varies but it's often nutritional yeast. Easy peasy! Add salt and oil and it's "chicken". Add vegetables and beans and/or noodles and you have an amazing soup or stew.
Make it creamy with some puréed cashews mixed with water.
Always always always add an acid: lemon juice or white vinegar. Needed for balance.
Miso + soy sauce gives more depth.
Seriously, I could eat this stuff for almost every darn meal.
Refrigerator Velcro is a new one for me. I both love and hate it and will be using it in the future.
I’ve bookmarked your comment because I find it particularly inspiring. Do you have a particular recipe that you would be interested in sharing?
I tend to wing it often. But I make a lentil soup something like this:
2 tablespoons olive oil
1 cup finely chopped onion
1 cup finely chopped carrot
1/2 cup finely chopped celery
Bag of frozen spinach
1 pound dry lentils, picked and rinsed
1 cup peeled and chopped tomatoes
2ish quarts water
~1/2 cup nutritional yeast
~2 tbsp lemon juice (because almost everything needs a little acid)
And now the umami bombs:
2 tbsp white miso
2 tbsp soy sauce
Pressure cooker on soup setting.
Salt and pepper to taste
Making this tomorrow so it's been on my mind. Used to be a go-to for me. But lately I've been making more Italian style soups with pastas and garbanzo beans and a ton of diced garlic.
You can get far with the base of diced...
Carrots
Celery
Onion
Garlic
Nutritional yeast
Then tinker with addons! Mix and match from
Crushed canned tomatoes
Pastas
Rice
Wild rice (yuuuuum)
Diced potatoes
Almost any kind of bean (though if using dried beans, cook any pasta separately because the dried beans take so long to cook that they reduce pasta to a slurry!)
Red/yellow/green peppers
Cabbage (diced, if adds a little sweetness and nutritious and low calorie bulk but sliced thin and long it adds texture!)
Zucchini/green squash (not yellow because it gets so mushy!)
Plant meats (last one I made had Italian Beyond sausages which added a lot of flavor!)
Be careful with spices. Don't use too many! It can lead to a confusing and overly busy flavor! I tend to keep it simple here. Occasionally, I try something a little different. For instance, using coriander with chunks of tomatoes and garbanzos (and, if I had sumac) to go for a middle eastern flavor.
I find soup mood dependent. If I'm really in the mood for one, it'll always be exciting at the moment.
There are few soups out there that will always get me excited, but one of them is Suan Cai Yu. It's a Sichuanese soup of poached fish with pickled mustard greens. A truly wonderful blend of spicy, savory, sweet, and sour flavors that I could eat all day.
I never liked fish, but I absolutely love pickled mustard greens. I've never tried to put them in soup before, so I might pick some up for my next experiment.
Another item to add to my list of things to try pickling.
Miso is a wonderful canvas on which to build some exciting soups. Add some lion's mane mushrooms, or hand-picked chantrelles, or some duck breast, some home-made chili oil, maybe some prawns, or crispy tofu, or
Do you have suggestions for some beginner friendly Miso additions? I grabbed two glasses of miso paste on a whim (Think it's 1:10 to water to get soup)... and all my ideas end at "make soup, put ramen noodles in, enjoy!"
get some instant hondashi powder, real miso soup has a dashi base to it. miso doesn't normally have noodles in it, afaik, but that's not to say you cant. use various vegetables like onions (green, yellow, shallots), soft-boiled egg, matchsticked carrots. just remember, add the miso paste after cooking and the heat is off, and i like to whisk it in a ladle of soup broth so it can dissolve and you don't lose track of the paste balls that dont dissolve at first
Dashi is also ludicrously simple to make from scratch. Just boil a pot of water with some konbu and some dried fish for a while, then strain.
To me, miso soup is not complete if it doesn’t have some sort of seaweed in it.
Thank you for the info!
Chicken Tortilla Soup is very exciting to me.
Ooh, nice! I whipped up something similar recently and there's some great ideas for toppings and refining flavours here. If you don't mind a longer prep time I recommend getting chicken thigh fillets instead of breasts and letting it cook down until the fat melts in and the chicken basically shreds itself in the pot (adding chicken stock as needed to top up the liquid balance).
I also used to have a very dismal view of soup, similar to the original article.
I have come to realize that soup can be anything your heart desires.
Chicken? Throw it in.
Tex-mex inspired? No problem. Cilantro, sour cream, jalapenos, tomatoes, onions, all go on top of the soup. Tortillas as spoons.
When does it stop being soup, and become a very soupy nachos? Who cares? It's delicious.
Soup is absolutely my favorite meal, but one I don't really eat much of in the summer. How to make it exciting? Not exactly sure, but I suspect most people think of soup something like Campbells, with a thin broth and few, tiny chunks of chicken or vegetable and not much else.
I'm not sure how you change that perception, other than make proper soups for people so they can understand what it is when it's a meal unto itself.
Perhaps the easiest might be to get someone to a Pho or Ramen joint so that they can see what it's like to have a good soup and then expand their horizons from there.
My favorite food is a soup named Penang Asam Laksa. Hard to describe the taste as it can vary by vendor but usually it's spicy, a bit sweet, sour, fishy, and has the crunch of fresh onions with mint on top.
Tong Sui is a type of sweet/dessert soup I was introduced to. I never thought of soup as a dessert but it can amazing, especially on a hot and humid day.
I grew up on a lot of soup and I love it as a medium as there's so much you can do and (for me at least) it usually heats up well the next day for another meal or two.
I do see people get excited over French onion soup, but I'm convinced that most of it is just because it's such a pain to make. Most of the times I have had it it was kind of bad - not inedible, just not anywhere near as good as it could be. I also think that the reason people don't get excited about soup is that they don't usually have fresh soup. When they think of soup they think of the canned stuff that is absent the bite of the spices, the textures have been ruined, and can also be very greasy.
I discovered by accident that a thick spicy blended soup that has had lentils added to it basically turns into a vegetarian analogue to chilli. I'm pretty excited about that but I need to be a bit more careful about what I make the base from because it ended up being a bit too sweet for my tastes.
French onion soup has incredible potential, but like anything that relies on two ingredients (onions and the beef stock), it has to be done properly in order to be good. There's no hiding behind strong spices.
As of the first day of fall (the first day it feels like fall to me, not necessarily the first official day of fall), soup is exceptionally exciting. I make my own broth from chicken bones/skins/whatever is left over and pack it with root veggies and hearty herbs and it is so delicious. It'd be delicious now, too, but I don't have air conditioning and it is so hot and sweaty. Don't make me leave the stove on all day.
I'm afraid I don't have a real answer to your question. I'm a good cook in my home, but not compared to the internet, and while tomato soup with a sandwich was pretty delicious for lunch today, it was hardly exciting. I once made a peanut butter broccoli soup (in a book called The Enchanted Broccoli Forest) that had a kind of curry flavor that was indeed exciting, but I've had too much whiskey to analyze that in any way.
Sorry for the drunk-post, but I'm feeling a bit lonely, and I guess this post is the target for that!
Split pea soup changed my life and I no longer think soup is lame. We've made this recipe over rice, although she calls for grilled cheese. The first time I had it it was over mashed potatoes. Amazing.
for me, it's sour. If we're talking soup as in "start with water or stock, throw stuff in, and don't add starches to thicken it", I like anything that has a sour or tangy flavor. Borscht, hot and sour, tomato with no dairy, all of those are top tier.
If we lean more towards stews, my top faves are lentil and split pea, I guess I just like small round legumes lol.
I don’t like sour soups myself, but acid is the thing that is usually missing from the more disappointing ones I have had. When I make soup that usually gets fixed with some roasted tomatoes or lime juice. Another comment here has inspired me to try pickled mustard greens.
Lentil soup is great. I love the added texture.
I think soup is always exciting. In Portugal soup is a big deal. You can find some varieties in most restaurants, but there are also regional traditional soups and foreign soups are also consumed. A full portuguese meal (which people don't necessarily eat every day) starts with a soup as the first course, unless it's a hearty soup (of which there are several possibilities) which can be the main course. I grew up eating soup almost every day, and expect it to be delicious. If I'm served bad or bland soup, I will think less of the host! That's just not done outside a hospital!
Here's a portuguese website with soup recipes (the videos are in portuguese but you can google translate the recipes, I suppose). This is a popular website so even though not all of these recipes are traditionally portuguese, you would surely find these soups in many households.
I'm going to say something that probably no one knows, and even I didn't know until I emigrated. Portugal is the soup paradise. I thought it was standard (at least in European context) that eating soup frequently was the way to get your veggies. Then I discovered that in almost all places that soup is the main and not a side course!
Soup is integral to our diet. Soup usually is the first course in your meal. Maybe in Summer you can sometimes trade soup for salad (but our typical salad is always the same which I find it boring; lettuce, cucumber, tomato, salt, vinegar and olive oil), but, if there are younger kids at the table then you can bet it is 100% guaranteed to have soup on the table.
What I wanted to arrive is: try to search Portuguese soups on the internet, we have so many recipes so it is hard for me to say something useful.
Maybe just to provide examples with some photos, see here or here Even though we have much more across the multiple regions.
The famous ones that come out off the top of my head:
But then we have so many other ones that I think it's hard to point to a certain region. Everyone does stuff just like carrot cream soup, vegetable cream soup, spinach soup, leeks soup, watercress soup, green beans soup, because they are faster. These soups can have the same base, and you simply switch the "topping" (spinach, green beans, etc).
A base could be something like potato (but to be honest, I have been skipping this because it is an "empty vegetable" and maybe something like chacoyte it is better and still gives that creamy texture; but even chacoyte is optional), aubergine, courgette, some carrots and pumpkin. So something like 1x Aubergine, 3/4x Potatos or 1x Chacoyte (optional), 5x Carrots, one bag of frozen chopped pumpkin (I think 500gr), 1/2x courgette (depending on size), 1/2x onions, salt and olive oil. After that is cooked, you blend it and add the topping afterwards and cook for a little bit longer.
Ah, and I use 3 litres of water. Don't be afraid to freeze the soup! The soup stays good in the pan and in the fridge maybe for 4 days, then later freeze!
Hey, I implied as much it in this very comment section! But thanks for going into further detail than my lazy ass :D
I'm sorry you had to move away from soup paradise and into, presumably, soup purgatory. Is there anything you learned abroad that you think would enhance our soup culture? (edit: accidentally a word)
Soup is always exciting to me if I've been outside all day when it's 10 below zero in the winter.
Good ingredients can make a big difference too, even a simple chicken noodle is amazing with fresh home made pasta.
But a well made gaspacho in the summer is also heavenly. With ham, croutons and fresh oregano if you want it to be heartier.
Some advice for chicken noodle soup: if you are cooking it from scratch using a chicken carcass, throw a peeled apple into the broth while you cook it down. Preferably a sweet apple, not a tangy green one. That, with some homemade pasta (something I've never done) will really take your chicken noodle soup to the next level.
Turn it into a nice curry laksa, put some chicken slices and noodles and fish balls and bean curd in there, and serve it up with a glass of fresh iced calamansi juice.
I love soup and will eat soup through out the year whether if it is cold or hot. For me, a good soup is all about the broth.
I grew up eating soups and grew regularly like kimchi jigae, or miyeok guk (korean seaweed soup). Many of my relatives will always insists there no meal without a soup.
What generally excites me is trying soup in new places or cuisines. When I travel, I usually eat soup to ease my stomach to the local cuisines and taste. When I went to Peru, I ordered mostly caldo de gallo and other soups in the region. It helped my stomach get more antiquated to the local microflora in the region.
An easy way to make a soup better is to add a finish, something as small as a teaspoon of olive oil drizzled on top looks appealing and enhances flavor.
I'm not a huge fan of adding oil on top of soups, but I do think that every soup should be garnished with something. Especially if it's a blended soup; those tend to look like gruel ungarnished.
Marketing.
The right name, the right "origin story", and it's to-die-for.
I make a thing I call "Shrek Soup" (half split-pea, half pureed spinach, soymilk, and a buttload of spices) ... it's good, works as a stand-alone meal.
But it's the name (coupled with the appearance) that sells it.
My brain did not parse your words correctly the first time and I thought that you called the soup “Marketing”. It made your last sentence hilarious!
Being made of fruit
Those are just smoothies! :P
Yeah, but how often do you get a hot smoothie?
Almost all of the fruit soups I've had have been served chilled. The one time I had one served warm I found it to be very unsatisfying. Is there one that you would recommend?
No, Ive never had one either. But it would be exciting if I got one.
Closest thing to a fruit soup Ive eaten was a sweet banana and milk soup that usually eas served cold but I tried heating it up a couple times.