I've been hearing this same shit since 1995. And that was because before that I was 10 and had far more pressing matters like poking things with sticks. "Oh we're laying of X thousands of people...
I've been hearing this same shit since 1995. And that was because before that I was 10 and had far more pressing matters like poking things with sticks.
"Oh we're laying of X thousands of people because of policy Y"....ends up hiring X more people inside of a few years anyway because their excuse was bullshit.
In two days of sometimes impassioned debate on the Senate floor, Republicans said an increase could force small businesses to lay off 100,000 to 500,000 workers over the next several years.
Guess which minumum wage increase this one was about? It was the 1996 one, raising to $5.15.
I mean, small business were closing anyway, courtesy of Walmart expansion. But that extra $40/week per employee was a drop in the bucket compared to the utter collapse of all sales to the local Walmart opening within 20 miles.
We just need to look at history. When passing the law to forbid children labour, they said they would go broke. Is always the same shit. They are saying the same thing for the 6h work shift.
We just need to look at history. When passing the law to forbid children labour, they said they would go broke. Is always the same shit.
They are saying the same thing for the 6h work shift.
I do 6 hours (on salary). I probably get 90-100% of the throughput as I would in 8 hours. And I’m usually still a high performer. Efficient workers need to be rewarded with the agency to give less...
I do 6 hours (on salary). I probably get 90-100% of the throughput as I would in 8 hours. And I’m usually still a high performer. Efficient workers need to be rewarded with the agency to give less than their maximum or they’ll go elsewhere.
Your comment inspired me to go looking through old newspapers to see what the word on the streets was when child labor was first banned in this country. According to Wikipedia the first major...
Your comment inspired me to go looking through old newspapers to see what the word on the streets was when child labor was first banned in this country. According to Wikipedia the first major piece of legislation was the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 under FDR.
TLDR: it's comically ridiculous how the comments are basically the same whether you look at 1930s newspapers or the comments sections of 2020s news websites. Here are some highlights:
screaming COMMUNISM or SOCIALISM at any attempt to improve the status quo:
"For almost a generation the die-hard opposition to federal prohibition of child labor has shouted 'communism' and its equivalent or has argued learnedly that such a reform would undermine the American system. And for almost as long it has flung the same kind of invective in the fact of the efforts to fix minimum wages and maximum hours for adult workers" (The Salt Lake Tribune, 25 Oct, 1938, page 6)
another one with a hint of THEY'RE COMING FOR YOUR LIVELIHOOD NEXT:
"It is the New Deal and its regulation of the livelihood of every citizen. Should our opponents win this fall they will take it as a mandate to go on with their planned economy program... That is true of every New Dealer. You can't carry out a planned economy unless you get a regulatory powers over all phases of industry and business endeavor. When you have such powers, you have socialism. It is voluntary at first, and when it fails to work it must be made iron-clad compulsion." (The Pantagraph, Bloomington, Illinois, 24 Oct, 1938 page 4)
NOW IS NOT THE TIME and WONT SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE POOR BUSINESS OWNERS (in reference to increasing the minimum wage to 25 cents an hour and limiting workers to 44 hours a week):
"Heading a delegation of 150 merchants from various parts of the state, who came here to oppose proposed wage-hour legislation, Pratt pointed out that 'with some signs of business health being restored this is not the time to interfere with the convalescing patient'. (St. Louis Globe-Democrat, 8 Mar, 1939, page 8)
Also, "according to the National Industrial Conference Board, the average full time work-week in July, 1938, was 40.3 hours as against 48.3 in 1929" (The Potters Herald, Liverpool, Ohio, 27 Oct, 1938, page 1). Looked up numbers for today and found a few different results, but mostly above that 40.3 hour average for full time work. Kind of depressing if you ask me, no pun intended, that we are working today about as long as people were during the Great Depression roughly 100 years ago. That entire article was about how the main goal now that these new labor laws had been passed was to lower the working week to 30 hours. Literally the name of the article was "30-Hour Week Paramount Objective of American Federation of Labor".
We now have computers, internet, automation, IA and for what? More profit for the rich. It didn't reduce our working hours and never will without a fight. The funny thing is that they are right...
We now have computers, internet, automation, IA and for what? More profit for the rich. It didn't reduce our working hours and never will without a fight.
The funny thing is that they are right about shouting "communism". Communists/socialists where always involved in these things. Of course, unfortunately, it is not bringing socialism any closer, but they are always the first to start these conversations.
The majority of benefits and laws for workers has socialists involved.
What a shame They have the real estate, the franchise, the name recognition etc, but just run right into the ground. They're actually good restaurants in HK. Every single HKer I know come to north...
What a shame
They have the real estate, the franchise, the name recognition etc, but just run right into the ground.
They're actually good restaurants in HK. Every single HKer I know come to north america and cannot believe what incredibly terrible pizza hut is here.
Unconscionable market practice, this. I wish gig economy were illegal.
I know other people have different tastes, but I always thought Pizza Hut was terrible ( US ) going back to my teen years. I could never understand why anyone would go to one if their location had...
They're actually good restaurants in HK.
I know other people have different tastes, but I always thought Pizza Hut was terrible ( US ) going back to my teen years. I could never understand why anyone would go to one if their location had a traditional pizza parlor. I found your comment about Pizza Hut being good restaurants in HK to be very interesting given my life experiences.
That's not uncommon. Restaurants can be run very differently in different nations. A famous example is 7-11 in Japan, where it's a well known and trusted brand of convenience store (even has its...
That's not uncommon. Restaurants can be run very differently in different nations. A famous example is 7-11 in Japan, where it's a well known and trusted brand of convenience store (even has its own brand of ATMs, not to mention branded clothing and food), whereas it's more known as that shady place where you get some chips at 3am because it's only place open and pray not to meet unscrupulous figures in the US. KFC is also quite good in Japan and China - their menus are very adapted to the local palate and would be almost unrecognizable to an American.
7-11 is better in Taiwan too, I'd argue better than Japan's tbh lol. The biggest example for me is actually McDonald's for this. I make it a point to go to McDonald's at least once in every new...
7-11 is better in Taiwan too, I'd argue better than Japan's tbh lol.
The biggest example for me is actually McDonald's for this. I make it a point to go to McDonald's at least once in every new country I'm in just to see how much better. You know currently McDonald's in Korea has a burger that they put a whole hash brown in?? How did we not get that in America first.
I think maccas in Australia has a breakky burger with a hash brown in it too! I think it’s the sesame bun you’d get in a quarter pounder, plus the insides of a bacon/sausage/egg McMuffin plus a...
I think maccas in Australia has a breakky burger with a hash brown in it too! I think it’s the sesame bun you’d get in a quarter pounder, plus the insides of a bacon/sausage/egg McMuffin plus a hash brown. Pretty great when one muffin won’t be filling enough but two is too much
It def had sketchy vibes to me in the Midwest. But they were also only in poor neighborhoods that I can remember growing up. So maybe there's regional variation even within the US.
It def had sketchy vibes to me in the Midwest. But they were also only in poor neighborhoods that I can remember growing up. So maybe there's regional variation even within the US.
You know, thinking about it, I've got about 4 7/11s in mind right now. From an extremely economically disadvantaged neighborhood, right off a major highway, near $3.5k a month apartments and near...
You know, thinking about it, I've got about 4 7/11s in mind right now. From an extremely economically disadvantaged neighborhood, right off a major highway, near $3.5k a month apartments and near a suburb with house prices of $300k+...
All of them are not great. Granted, only one of them plays classical music in the evening but all of them have the vibe of "there might be credit card skimmers on the pumps that the staff knows about." Most of them have at least one homeless dude posted up out front with his shopping cart and so on.
Not to rag on any specific neighborhoods but QT has no problem seeming not sketchy even a block over from the 7/11 so I don't know what it is. They even did a big remodel to one of them and it still felt... Rough.
The 7-11’s in SF and Oakland are suuuper sketchy. At night, the Oakland ones close their doors and only sell through a protected window box. Each location seems to have its own annual shooting....
The 7-11’s in SF and Oakland are suuuper sketchy. At night, the Oakland ones close their doors and only sell through a protected window box. Each location seems to have its own annual shooting. Someone was shot dead at an Oakland 7-11 a few weeks ago.. I used to live near one by Emeryville that had sketchy folks who’d hang outside and smoke; there was at least one shooting at that one while I lived nearby, I think an argument that turned violent.
I avoid visiting certain ones because I worry about getting caught up in a robbery or a shooting.
To be fair, the corner where the Emeryville 7-11 is located has been sketchy for much longer than the 7-11 has been there. The Black & White Liquor store across the street has been an anchor store...
To be fair, the corner where the Emeryville 7-11 is located has been sketchy for much longer than the 7-11 has been there. The Black & White Liquor store across the street has been an anchor store for sketch for decades.
That's so funny, because where I am in California, 7-11 is generally where the sketchy people hang out. One guy got stabbed right outside the really nice neighborhood 7-11 I used to live down the...
That's so funny, because where I am in California, 7-11 is generally where the sketchy people hang out. One guy got stabbed right outside the really nice neighborhood 7-11 I used to live down the street from. The one next door to my best friend's college house was insanely sketchy, and people spent a lot of time buying/selling drugs there.
When were your teen years? I actually have fond memories of that place in the 90's. It was a special occasion for us to be able to go, usually because I read enough books to get a free personal...
When were your teen years? I actually have fond memories of that place in the 90's. It was a special occasion for us to be able to go, usually because I read enough books to get a free personal pan pizza or whatever.
I can never tell how much my modern dislike for restaurants that I enjoyed as a kid are due to my tastes being greatly refined vs the quality of the restaurant dropping. I'm curious if I'd like 90's Pizza Hut today.
Ahh, yeah that's fair. Even their 90's "New Yorker" pizza, which was one of my favorites as a kid, was fluffy/bready. I didn't really understand actual thin crust / New York style pizza until I...
Ahh, yeah that's fair. Even their 90's "New Yorker" pizza, which was one of my favorites as a kid, was fluffy/bready. I didn't really understand actual thin crust / New York style pizza until I went to college in New York.
I've eaten pizza from Italy and fancy places etc but I still prefer fluffy deep bread pizza :/ I know it's not considered good but I prefer it. Otherwise it's just a pita ....
I've eaten pizza from Italy and fancy places etc but I still prefer fluffy deep bread pizza :/ I know it's not considered good but I prefer it. Otherwise it's just a pita ....
As a kid I really likes their cheese compared to other options. Not sure what made it different in retrospect. But I was also a bread loving child so the fluffiness wasn't an issue for me. Even...
As a kid I really likes their cheese compared to other options. Not sure what made it different in retrospect.
But I was also a bread loving child so the fluffiness wasn't an issue for me. Even now I enjoy a fluffy pizza now and again (though I live in Europe so the types of pizza readily available are definitely different now and there aren't really ever decent fluffy options outside the frozen section).
Yeah I've been to pizza huts in canada and us....I'm not sure why they even exist anymore. Wouldn't the franchisees do even better as an independent mom and pop, without the fees? The menu is pack...
Yeah I've been to pizza huts in canada and us....I'm not sure why they even exist anymore. Wouldn't the franchisees do even better as an independent mom and pop, without the fees? The menu is pack luster and the execution predictably poor.
It's like a completely different, unrelated franchise in HK. Although I haven't been in many years so perhaps this is also outdated info.
I have nostalgia for Pizza Hut since they did the Book-It thing when I was in school so we went relatively frequently to redeem our free pizzas. But even just that local one definitely got worse...
I have nostalgia for Pizza Hut since they did the Book-It thing when I was in school so we went relatively frequently to redeem our free pizzas. But even just that local one definitely got worse over time as I got older, especially noticeable when we aged out of Book-It and didn't go as frequently.
Eh, Pizza Hut is our favorite of "fast cheap greasy" pizza. Would I take someone to Pizza Hut as a first experience of pizza in the US? Absolutely not. Much more "authentic" places are around. Am...
Eh, Pizza Hut is our favorite of "fast cheap greasy" pizza.
Would I take someone to Pizza Hut as a first experience of pizza in the US? Absolutely not. Much more "authentic" places are around. Am I above grabbing a $10 pizza deep dish to feed some drunk friends? Absolutely not.
The title doesn't match the article. The minimum wage for employed delivery drivers went up (33% IIRC?), so the cost-benefit analysis changed in favor of having gig workers replace direct...
The title doesn't match the article. The minimum wage for employed delivery drivers went up (33% IIRC?), so the cost-benefit analysis changed in favor of having gig workers replace direct employees.
You can argue that if the gig economy didn't exist that Pizza Hut couldn't have done this, but the law was passed with the context of gig workers having existed for years now. Laws have effects; they can also be causes. This is not a value judgement. I'm just pointing out that the title doesn't seem accurate.
Even the author of the article admits she's making up her core assumption: "I think they’re all just copying from the same press release that probably came right from Yum! Foods, the multinational...
Even the author of the article admits she's making up her core assumption:
"I think they’re all just copying from the same press release that probably came right from Yum! Foods, the multinational conglomerate that owns Pizza Hut."
Nowhere does Pizza Hut say it's because of the minimum-wage increase. They haven't even made an official statement at all.
You see this a lot in general. "X company says Y", and it's never accurate. In case it's not evident, large multinational brands don't tend to say much of anything lol, for better or for worse....
You see this a lot in general. "X company says Y", and it's never accurate. In case it's not evident, large multinational brands don't tend to say much of anything lol, for better or for worse. It's always either just straight up made up, a quote from some unknown anonymous employee, or an out of context, and usually manipulated, excerpt from a investor call.
If I see "X says Y" articles, a priori it's probably just ragebait.
The point of the article, in my opinion, is that Pizza Hut lied about the new minimum wage forcing them to fire the drivers. They did it for other reasons and used the new minimum wage as a...
The point of the article, in my opinion, is that Pizza Hut lied about the new minimum wage forcing them to fire the drivers. They did it for other reasons and used the new minimum wage as a combination cover and "fuck you".
Where did Pizza Hut say that was the reason to begin with? Do you not find it strange to believe that they would have said that? Not only do companies rarely go into detail about layoffs, if they...
Where did Pizza Hut say that was the reason to begin with? Do you not find it strange to believe that they would have said that? Not only do companies rarely go into detail about layoffs, if they mention it at all, this is about individual Pizza Hut chains.
If you then look at the article you posted, the only source of this claim is this sentence with a link
OK, so does that article linked have a claim that Pizza Hut "said" this, let alone a source? Nope. In fact, the Pizza Hut statement was
“Our franchisees independently own and operate their restaurants in accordance with local market dynamics and comply with all federal, state, and local regulations while continuing to provide quality service and food to our customers via carryout and delivery,” the company said in a statement.
Classic corporate nothing-ism. Certainly not "We're hiring our delivery drivers because of the minimum wage bump".
So basically, what happened is that Pizza Hut announced layoffs, as they must as part of the WARN act. The SF Chronicle, NOT Pizza Hut, tied this to the minimum wage increase for drivers, and put it in the headline. And now this article is now claiming that Pizza Hut is lying about something the SF CHRONICLE said ABOUT Pizza Hut!
While Pizza Hut said nothing at all, because of course they wouldn't say that, they do have a PR department.
I watched the video and it’s no different. She just says, with no source, that the articles are sourcing their information from a press release by the parent organization of Pizza Hut, which I...
I watched the video and it’s no different. She just says, with no source, that the articles are sourcing their information from a press release by the parent organization of Pizza Hut, which I could not find a trace of, which apparently stated that Pizza Hut was laying off these employees because of the minimum wage laws.
It was not only unsourced, but in an offhand statement, where she also claimed that the number of articles were proof that they were sourced from a common “press release” and were not just copy pasted from each other, but they definitely were - like it’s not a secret, half of yahoo news is copy pasted Reuters.
I have yet to see any actual evidence, or even an actual claim (the SF Chronicle and corresponding articles did not try to claim that Pizza Hut itself stated it was laying off employees for cost reasons) that Pizza Hut itself stated that they were doing the layoffs because of the minimum wage increase for drivers.
You repeating it doesn't make it more true. At X wage, they felt that the economic benefits of having in-house drivers was worth it. At X+5 wage, they thought it was not when they could just pass...
You repeating it doesn't make it more true. At X wage, they felt that the economic benefits of having in-house drivers was worth it. At X+5 wage, they thought it was not when they could just pass the responsibility to gig apps. That's the most we can glean as outsiders.
Been hearing this same shit since I was old enough to listen. Guess what minimum wage increase that was from? Bet it's a tough one. The 1996 one to $5.15, which then was followed by 4 years of...
Been hearing this same shit since I was old enough to listen.
In two days of sometimes impassioned debate on the Senate floor, Republicans said an increase could force small businesses to lay off 100,000 to 500,000 workers over the next several years.
"These are Main Street businesses, mom-and-pop operations that are working out of their garages," said Senator [redacted]
Guess what minimum wage increase that was from? Bet it's a tough one. The 1996 one to $5.15, which then was followed by 4 years of decreasing unemployment (until the dot-com bubble burst). Though they weren't entirely wrong....small businesses were collapsing left and right, but it was less due to minimum wage and more due to Walmart canabilizing all sales within 20 miles of every new location they were deploying every week.
FYI, you double posted... but weirdly 13 min later, and with slightly different text. :P Did you edit the original comment and it somehow posted it again instead? If so, were you using one of the...
FYI, you double posted... but weirdly 13 min later, and with slightly different text. :P
Did you edit the original comment and it somehow posted it again instead? If so, were you using one of the third-party apps? Asking since I know 3cheers recently added comment editing, so I'm wondering if there is a bug worth reporting to @talklittle.
So my phone died as I was clicking post, just Firefox on Android. When I booted up while plugged in, didn't see post so I rewrote best I could. Guess it loaded from cache. So there, some insight...
So my phone died as I was clicking post, just Firefox on Android. When I booted up while plugged in, didn't see post so I rewrote best I could. Guess it loaded from cache.
So there, some insight to my internal editing process. I had pondered more about the unemployment claims as I retyped, and fact checked it as well, adding that in.
Rereading both, I'd probably keep this one. Though I wish I included the "poking things with sticks"...that was a winner.
I find this quite amusing, and will leave both for posterity.
I've been hearing this same shit since 1995. And that was because before that I was 10 and had far more pressing matters like poking things with sticks.
"Oh we're laying of X thousands of people because of policy Y"....ends up hiring X more people inside of a few years anyway because their excuse was bullshit.
Guess which minumum wage increase this one was about? It was the 1996 one, raising to $5.15.
I mean, small business were closing anyway, courtesy of Walmart expansion. But that extra $40/week per employee was a drop in the bucket compared to the utter collapse of all sales to the local Walmart opening within 20 miles.
We just need to look at history. When passing the law to forbid children labour, they said they would go broke. Is always the same shit.
They are saying the same thing for the 6h work shift.
I do 6 hours (on salary). I probably get 90-100% of the throughput as I would in 8 hours. And I’m usually still a high performer. Efficient workers need to be rewarded with the agency to give less than their maximum or they’ll go elsewhere.
Your comment inspired me to go looking through old newspapers to see what the word on the streets was when child labor was first banned in this country. According to Wikipedia the first major piece of legislation was the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 under FDR.
TLDR: it's comically ridiculous how the comments are basically the same whether you look at 1930s newspapers or the comments sections of 2020s news websites. Here are some highlights:
Also, "according to the National Industrial Conference Board, the average full time work-week in July, 1938, was 40.3 hours as against 48.3 in 1929" (The Potters Herald, Liverpool, Ohio, 27 Oct, 1938, page 1). Looked up numbers for today and found a few different results, but mostly above that 40.3 hour average for full time work. Kind of depressing if you ask me, no pun intended, that we are working today about as long as people were during the Great Depression roughly 100 years ago. That entire article was about how the main goal now that these new labor laws had been passed was to lower the working week to 30 hours. Literally the name of the article was "30-Hour Week Paramount Objective of American Federation of Labor".
We now have computers, internet, automation, IA and for what? More profit for the rich. It didn't reduce our working hours and never will without a fight.
The funny thing is that they are right about shouting "communism". Communists/socialists where always involved in these things. Of course, unfortunately, it is not bringing socialism any closer, but they are always the first to start these conversations.
The majority of benefits and laws for workers has socialists involved.
What a shame
They have the real estate, the franchise, the name recognition etc, but just run right into the ground.
They're actually good restaurants in HK. Every single HKer I know come to north america and cannot believe what incredibly terrible pizza hut is here.
Unconscionable market practice, this. I wish gig economy were illegal.
Pizza Hut in Brazil is pretty fancy and expensive! (Or maybe I’m just poor.)
I know other people have different tastes, but I always thought Pizza Hut was terrible ( US ) going back to my teen years. I could never understand why anyone would go to one if their location had a traditional pizza parlor. I found your comment about Pizza Hut being good restaurants in HK to be very interesting given my life experiences.
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That's not uncommon. Restaurants can be run very differently in different nations. A famous example is 7-11 in Japan, where it's a well known and trusted brand of convenience store (even has its own brand of ATMs, not to mention branded clothing and food), whereas it's more known as that shady place where you get some chips at 3am because it's only place open and pray not to meet unscrupulous figures in the US. KFC is also quite good in Japan and China - their menus are very adapted to the local palate and would be almost unrecognizable to an American.
KFC in South Korea was God awful and one of the worst fried chicken I'd ever had...
Then I had KFC in the US and it was even worse.
7-11 is better in Taiwan too, I'd argue better than Japan's tbh lol.
The biggest example for me is actually McDonald's for this. I make it a point to go to McDonald's at least once in every new country I'm in just to see how much better. You know currently McDonald's in Korea has a burger that they put a whole hash brown in?? How did we not get that in America first.
I think maccas in Australia has a breakky burger with a hash brown in it too! I think it’s the sesame bun you’d get in a quarter pounder, plus the insides of a bacon/sausage/egg McMuffin plus a hash brown. Pretty great when one muffin won’t be filling enough but two is too much
7-11 doesn't strike me as sketchy here in CA, maybe a mixed bag at best. But it's fairly consistent and reliable as far as offerings and what-not.
It def had sketchy vibes to me in the Midwest. But they were also only in poor neighborhoods that I can remember growing up. So maybe there's regional variation even within the US.
You know, thinking about it, I've got about 4 7/11s in mind right now. From an extremely economically disadvantaged neighborhood, right off a major highway, near $3.5k a month apartments and near a suburb with house prices of $300k+...
All of them are not great. Granted, only one of them plays classical music in the evening but all of them have the vibe of "there might be credit card skimmers on the pumps that the staff knows about." Most of them have at least one homeless dude posted up out front with his shopping cart and so on.
Not to rag on any specific neighborhoods but QT has no problem seeming not sketchy even a block over from the 7/11 so I don't know what it is. They even did a big remodel to one of them and it still felt... Rough.
The 7-11’s in SF and Oakland are suuuper sketchy. At night, the Oakland ones close their doors and only sell through a protected window box. Each location seems to have its own annual shooting. Someone was shot dead at an Oakland 7-11 a few weeks ago.. I used to live near one by Emeryville that had sketchy folks who’d hang outside and smoke; there was at least one shooting at that one while I lived nearby, I think an argument that turned violent.
I avoid visiting certain ones because I worry about getting caught up in a robbery or a shooting.
To be fair, the corner where the Emeryville 7-11 is located has been sketchy for much longer than the 7-11 has been there. The Black & White Liquor store across the street has been an anchor store for sketch for decades.
That's so funny, because where I am in California, 7-11 is generally where the sketchy people hang out. One guy got stabbed right outside the really nice neighborhood 7-11 I used to live down the street from. The one next door to my best friend's college house was insanely sketchy, and people spent a lot of time buying/selling drugs there.
When were your teen years? I actually have fond memories of that place in the 90's. It was a special occasion for us to be able to go, usually because I read enough books to get a free personal pan pizza or whatever.
I can never tell how much my modern dislike for restaurants that I enjoyed as a kid are due to my tastes being greatly refined vs the quality of the restaurant dropping. I'm curious if I'd like 90's Pizza Hut today.
I've always been against pan and other fluffy/bready pizzas. That was a major part of distaste for Pizza Hut.
Ahh, yeah that's fair. Even their 90's "New Yorker" pizza, which was one of my favorites as a kid, was fluffy/bready. I didn't really understand actual thin crust / New York style pizza until I went to college in New York.
I've eaten pizza from Italy and fancy places etc but I still prefer fluffy deep bread pizza :/ I know it's not considered good but I prefer it. Otherwise it's just a pita ....
If your experience with NY style pizza dough is comparable to a pita, you're not eating a NY style pizza.
As a kid I really likes their cheese compared to other options. Not sure what made it different in retrospect.
But I was also a bread loving child so the fluffiness wasn't an issue for me. Even now I enjoy a fluffy pizza now and again (though I live in Europe so the types of pizza readily available are definitely different now and there aren't really ever decent fluffy options outside the frozen section).
I used to actually really like their pizza. But now as an adult their crust is basically just a sponge for oil and it’s actually a bit sickening.
Yeah I've been to pizza huts in canada and us....I'm not sure why they even exist anymore. Wouldn't the franchisees do even better as an independent mom and pop, without the fees? The menu is pack luster and the execution predictably poor.
It's like a completely different, unrelated franchise in HK. Although I haven't been in many years so perhaps this is also outdated info.
I have nostalgia for Pizza Hut since they did the Book-It thing when I was in school so we went relatively frequently to redeem our free pizzas. But even just that local one definitely got worse over time as I got older, especially noticeable when we aged out of Book-It and didn't go as frequently.
Eh, Pizza Hut is our favorite of "fast cheap greasy" pizza.
Would I take someone to Pizza Hut as a first experience of pizza in the US? Absolutely not. Much more "authentic" places are around. Am I above grabbing a $10 pizza deep dish to feed some drunk friends? Absolutely not.
The title doesn't match the article. The minimum wage for employed delivery drivers went up (33% IIRC?), so the cost-benefit analysis changed in favor of having gig workers replace direct employees.
You can argue that if the gig economy didn't exist that Pizza Hut couldn't have done this, but the law was passed with the context of gig workers having existed for years now. Laws have effects; they can also be causes. This is not a value judgement. I'm just pointing out that the title doesn't seem accurate.
Even the author of the article admits she's making up her core assumption:
"I think they’re all just copying from the same press release that probably came right from Yum! Foods, the multinational conglomerate that owns Pizza Hut."
Nowhere does Pizza Hut say it's because of the minimum-wage increase. They haven't even made an official statement at all.
You see this a lot in general. "X company says Y", and it's never accurate. In case it's not evident, large multinational brands don't tend to say much of anything lol, for better or for worse. It's always either just straight up made up, a quote from some unknown anonymous employee, or an out of context, and usually manipulated, excerpt from a investor call.
If I see "X says Y" articles, a priori it's probably just ragebait.
The point of the article, in my opinion, is that Pizza Hut lied about the new minimum wage forcing them to fire the drivers. They did it for other reasons and used the new minimum wage as a combination cover and "fuck you".
Where did Pizza Hut say that was the reason to begin with? Do you not find it strange to believe that they would have said that? Not only do companies rarely go into detail about layoffs, if they mention it at all, this is about individual Pizza Hut chains.
If you then look at the article you posted, the only source of this claim is this sentence with a link
OK, so does that article linked have a claim that Pizza Hut "said" this, let alone a source? Nope. In fact, the Pizza Hut statement was
Classic corporate nothing-ism. Certainly not "We're hiring our delivery drivers because of the minimum wage bump".
So basically, what happened is that Pizza Hut announced layoffs, as they must as part of the WARN act. The SF Chronicle, NOT Pizza Hut, tied this to the minimum wage increase for drivers, and put it in the headline. And now this article is now claiming that Pizza Hut is lying about something the SF CHRONICLE said ABOUT Pizza Hut!
While Pizza Hut said nothing at all, because of course they wouldn't say that, they do have a PR department.
Watch the video.
I watched the video and it’s no different. She just says, with no source, that the articles are sourcing their information from a press release by the parent organization of Pizza Hut, which I could not find a trace of, which apparently stated that Pizza Hut was laying off these employees because of the minimum wage laws.
It was not only unsourced, but in an offhand statement, where she also claimed that the number of articles were proof that they were sourced from a common “press release” and were not just copy pasted from each other, but they definitely were - like it’s not a secret, half of yahoo news is copy pasted Reuters.
I have yet to see any actual evidence, or even an actual claim (the SF Chronicle and corresponding articles did not try to claim that Pizza Hut itself stated it was laying off employees for cost reasons) that Pizza Hut itself stated that they were doing the layoffs because of the minimum wage increase for drivers.
You repeating it doesn't make it more true. At X wage, they felt that the economic benefits of having in-house drivers was worth it. At X+5 wage, they thought it was not when they could just pass the responsibility to gig apps. That's the most we can glean as outsiders.
Been hearing this same shit since I was old enough to listen.
Guess what minimum wage increase that was from? Bet it's a tough one. The 1996 one to $5.15, which then was followed by 4 years of decreasing unemployment (until the dot-com bubble burst). Though they weren't entirely wrong....small businesses were collapsing left and right, but it was less due to minimum wage and more due to Walmart canabilizing all sales within 20 miles of every new location they were deploying every week.
FYI, you double posted... but weirdly 13 min later, and with slightly different text. :P
Did you edit the original comment and it somehow posted it again instead? If so, were you using one of the third-party apps? Asking since I know 3cheers recently added comment editing, so I'm wondering if there is a bug worth reporting to @talklittle.
So my phone died as I was clicking post, just Firefox on Android. When I booted up while plugged in, didn't see post so I rewrote best I could. Guess it loaded from cache.
So there, some insight to my internal editing process. I had pondered more about the unemployment claims as I retyped, and fact checked it as well, adding that in.
Rereading both, I'd probably keep this one. Though I wish I included the "poking things with sticks"...that was a winner.
I find this quite amusing, and will leave both for posterity.
Ah, okay, gotcha. Thanks. And no need to worry, @talklittle, it wasn't your app. :P
There can only be one!