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Your partner asks for your phone, you refuse over privacy, they tell you they don't trust you. How do you respond?

This is a hypothetical question.

60 comments

  1. [9]
    BashCrandiboot
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    I wouldn't flat out refuse unless I had something to hide, but I would ask why they want it. "Mine is dead and I need to text my mom/look something up/call my other husband." You got it, here you...

    I wouldn't flat out refuse unless I had something to hide, but I would ask why they want it.

    "Mine is dead and I need to text my mom/look something up/call my other husband."

    • You got it, here you go.

    "I want to dig through your shit because I'm insecure and I don't trust you."

    • Sorry dawg. We're gonna have to have a good ol' fashioned conversation about this.
    107 votes
    1. [8]
      Promonk
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      This is precisely why I have my wife's other husband on my favorite contacts list. I don't want her to wade through all my girlfriends' numbers to find him.

      This is precisely why I have my wife's other husband on my favorite contacts list. I don't want her to wade through all my girlfriends' numbers to find him.

      85 votes
      1. first-must-burn
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        I laughed so hard I made the receptionist at the dentist's office think I was not okay. Thank you for that. I needed a laugh.

        I laughed so hard I made the receptionist at the dentist's office think I was not okay. Thank you for that. I needed a laugh.

        20 votes
      2. [6]
        chocobean
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        Edit: OH it's a polygamous relationship! Sort of like, my spouse has my family's contact as well because it's just convenient?

        Edit: I'm confused by this statement. 0..o ? OH it's a polygamous relationship!

        Sort of like, my spouse has my family's contact as well because it's just convenient?

        3 votes
        1. [3]
          DefinitelyNotAFae
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          It's either a joke, or a polyamorous/non-monogamous situation (Polygamy usually gets used exclusively for religious/cultural plural marriages and less for egalitarian/ethical non-monogamous...

          It's either a joke, or a polyamorous/non-monogamous situation (Polygamy usually gets used exclusively for religious/cultural plural marriages and less for egalitarian/ethical non-monogamous relationships/marriages. Polyamory is more common)

          It reads joke to me but idk Promonk's relationship status ;)

          21 votes
          1. Promonk
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            Astute as always, most humanlike of humans! 'Twas indeed a jest.

            Astute as always, most humanlike of humans! 'Twas indeed a jest.

            19 votes
          2. chocobean
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            :D ah thanks for the read and note on terminology

            :D ah thanks for the read and note on terminology

            4 votes
        2. [2]
          Promonk
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          I just don't want her knowing I'm fooling around on her. She's a firm believer in monogamy.

          I just don't want her knowing I'm fooling around on her. She's a firm believer in monogamy.

          11 votes
          1. chocobean
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            Haha slowpoke award. Kinda reminds me of a family member whose phone is full of photos of her boyband idol husbands that she keeps private from her in real life husband

            Haha slowpoke award.

            Kinda reminds me of a family member whose phone is full of photos of her boyband idol husbands that she keeps private from her in real life husband

            3 votes
  2. [2]
    creesch
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    Not enough context to truly answer. Personally, I don't consider my partner using my phone a privacy issue. But then again we have been together for a while.

    Not enough context to truly answer.

    Personally, I don't consider my partner using my phone a privacy issue. But then again we have been together for a while.

    44 votes
    1. GunnarRunnar
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      Yeah, it's whatever if they need to use it for any reason, and I'm pretty anxious over my privacy (probably partly because it's been broken before, not because I have anything to hide that my...

      Yeah, it's whatever if they need to use it for any reason, and I'm pretty anxious over my privacy (probably partly because it's been broken before, not because I have anything to hide that my partner couldn't handle).

      Anyway, if they wanted to snoop my phone I'd absolutely still refuse as I see that as a breach of trust and we'd absolutely have to have a conversation about the reasons leading to this.

      The way generally I see everyone is entitled to privacy and should keep some things to themselves.

      1 vote
  3. [10]
    BeardyHat
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    This. My wife and I have been together for 17 years, she's my best friend and I share absolutely everything with her. If she wants to look at my phone, have a go. I can't imagine keeping much of...

    This.

    My wife and I have been together for 17 years, she's my best friend and I share absolutely everything with her. If she wants to look at my phone, have a go. I can't imagine keeping much of anything private from her, just because I have no desire to and we're in an emotionally intimate relationship.

    If she didn't want to let me look at her phone because she said she had "private" stuff on there, I'd assume she had bought me a gift and was trying to surprise me. But outside of that, I guess I'd be pretty suspicious, as we don't keep things from each other. We even share our farts...

    Edit, I meant to respond to @creesch, but looks like I flubbed it. Oops.

    39 votes
    1. [5]
      first-must-burn
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      Plus one for this way of being. We've also been together for 17 years. We share a Keepass file, so anything she wanted to log into, she could anyway. That said, we do have established trust, so...

      Plus one for this way of being. We've also been together for 17 years. We share a Keepass file, so anything she wanted to log into, she could anyway.

      That said, we do have established trust, so there isn't an air of suspicion in the way we interact and share. If there were, I'd be concerned about that.

      12 votes
      1. [4]
        rahmad
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        It took me a second to contextualize and for a bit I was trying to figure out what this shared Booty Call service for couples called KeepAss was....

        It took me a second to contextualize and for a bit I was trying to figure out what this shared Booty Call service for couples called KeepAss was....

        12 votes
        1. [2]
          Promonk
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          I will never not read it as 'Keep Ass.' Had to migrate to Bitwarden because of it.

          I will never not read it as 'Keep Ass.' Had to migrate to Bitwarden because of it.

          14 votes
          1. Tuna
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            I don't think Bitwarden is much better. It sounds like a chastity belt ^^

            I don't think Bitwarden is much better. It sounds like a chastity belt ^^

            4 votes
        2. first-must-burn
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          Keep Ass encrypted booty file sounds more fun tbh.

          Keep Ass encrypted booty file sounds more fun tbh.

          4 votes
    2. vord
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      Yup pretty much. The only caveats are really about the privacy of the people that I'm chatting with, particularly in group chats. But that's a thing we discussed and respect each others wishes for.

      Yup pretty much. The only caveats are really about the privacy of the people that I'm chatting with, particularly in group chats. But that's a thing we discussed and respect each others wishes for.

      2 votes
    3. [3]
      crulife
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      Sort of a counterpoint, my ex-wife cheated on me several times and about half of the times I caught her because I had suspicions and confirmed them by looking at her private emails and/or text...

      Sort of a counterpoint, my ex-wife cheated on me several times and about half of the times I caught her because I had suspicions and confirmed them by looking at her private emails and/or text messages.

      I'd like to think that I'm now in a relationship where I don't need to do that.

      1. [2]
        kollkana
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        If you hadn't found anything incriminating in her texts or emails, would that have allayed your suspicions?

        If you hadn't found anything incriminating in her texts or emails, would that have allayed your suspicions?

        3 votes
        1. crulife
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          The first time, certainly. I didn't start out super suspicious or significantly more jealous than people usually, I believe.

          The first time, certainly. I didn't start out super suspicious or significantly more jealous than people usually, I believe.

  4. boxer_dogs_dance
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    Here's the thing. If it was a one time request because there were unintentionally suspicious circumstances I would allow it. Cheating exists in this world (although not i think in my current...

    Here's the thing. If it was a one time request because there were unintentionally suspicious circumstances I would allow it. Cheating exists in this world (although not i think in my current relationship).

    If my partner was consistently paranoid and wanted to keep me under scrutiny and surveillance, I would leave.

    25 votes
  5. [9]
    rosco
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    I think there are shades to this. My partner and I pretty much have an open door policy with phones - I know her password, she knows mine - and we don't have any trust issues on that front. But...

    I think there are shades to this. My partner and I pretty much have an open door policy with phones - I know her password, she knows mine - and we don't have any trust issues on that front. But her family likes sharing their location all the time and mine has never done that. She would like me to share mine, but I don't like the idea that I can just be kept tabs on all day... It feels ooky for some reason. So we've had friction about that. It's not like I'm planning to do anything nefarious, or even particularly interesting, I just like the idea that sometimes I'm just by myself, doing my own thing, without anyone concerning about it. I can imagine how others could feel that way about their phone.

    21 votes
    1. [7]
      Englerdy
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      I have friends that share their location with like everyone they know and that's mind bogglingly bizarre to me. I can kind of see a case for immediate family, but practically it feels like it only...

      I have friends that share their location with like everyone they know and that's mind bogglingly bizarre to me. I can kind of see a case for immediate family, but practically it feels like it only makes sense when someone is traveling and you want to be able to check in and see that they're fine. But like, just wanting to see where people are at any given time feels invasive. And also from like a digital and personal security standpoint feels like it create a bigger hole in your personal safety rather than increasing it. Definitely with you on it feeling ooky. Like if you want to know where I am, call me and I'll just tell you. Like, I have nothing to hide or a reason to lie, but that's specific to each person and relationship. It feels untrusting to need to know exactly where someone is all the time though.

      10 votes
      1. [6]
        kollkana
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        I find it odd that people have their phone's location setting turned on at all outside of actively using it for e.g. navigation. Not even particularly for privacy reasons, just sheer battery life.

        I find it odd that people have their phone's location setting turned on at all outside of actively using it for e.g. navigation. Not even particularly for privacy reasons, just sheer battery life.

        5 votes
        1. [2]
          Interesting
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          I used to keep it off, but then Google changed the permissions model so that turning off location prevented apps from accessing Bluetooth, which prevents me from benefitting from my smart watch.

          I used to keep it off, but then Google changed the permissions model so that turning off location prevented apps from accessing Bluetooth, which prevents me from benefitting from my smart watch.

          3 votes
          1. zod000
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            I've never had this issue with bluetooth not working when location services are off. Perhaps there are some specific apps that are conflating the two and refuse to work without both?

            I've never had this issue with bluetooth not working when location services are off. Perhaps there are some specific apps that are conflating the two and refuse to work without both?

        2. [3]
          Englerdy
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          I think it's a convinience thing, it is for me at least. I disable location permission for most apps and for others I almost always have it set to "while using this app." So I suspect like many...

          I think it's a convinience thing, it is for me at least. I disable location permission for most apps and for others I almost always have it set to "while using this app." So I suspect like many people I just don't think about it. Not sure how much battery gain there would be on a modern smartphone. I've assumed that even if the service was on it didn't really do much most of the time unless I had an app open using it, but I haven't looked into it and know that could be totally wrong.

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            kollkana
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            You may well be right that the battery effect is negligible these days, actually. It wasn't when I developed the habit a decade+ ago, I've also not looked into it since.

            You may well be right that the battery effect is negligible these days, actually. It wasn't when I developed the habit a decade+ ago, I've also not looked into it since.

            2 votes
            1. zod000
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              It is honestly still not negligible to have GPS running all the time. It is a little better than it used to be, but that could just be that phone batteries are generally larger now.

              It is honestly still not negligible to have GPS running all the time. It is a little better than it used to be, but that could just be that phone batteries are generally larger now.

              1 vote
    2. chocobean
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      I share my location with family when they're expecting me to fly in, for example. Other than that nope.

      I share my location with family when they're expecting me to fly in, for example. Other than that nope.

      3 votes
  6. smiles134
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    My wife and I have biometric access to each other's phones. We're not hiding anything from each other but we also both respect each other's privacy, so neither of us is using the other's phone...

    My wife and I have biometric access to each other's phones. We're not hiding anything from each other but we also both respect each other's privacy, so neither of us is using the other's phone unless there's a reason (like we ordered doordash and the other is going to pick it up from the front lobby). Like @beardyhat said, if my wife said there was something she didn't want me to see, I'd assume it's some kind of surprise for me.

    18 votes
  7. lou
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    I hate to do the Reddit thing where everything is a reason to break up. I'll just say that, in my experience, a blanket lack of trust is exceedingly difficult to overcome. That whole interaction...

    I hate to do the Reddit thing where everything is a reason to break up. I'll just say that, in my experience, a blanket lack of trust is exceedingly difficult to overcome. That whole interaction kind of indicates a scenario where both parts lack trust in each other.

    There's absolutely things in my phone I do not wish for my wife to see, much in the same way that she is not really supposed to be present in all social gatherings. And vice versa. That doesn't mean we're unfaithful, but we do have our independent lives.

    No one question the privacy of a personal diary, but a cellphone can be way more revealing than a diary. It makes even more sense for it to be completely private.

    So I wouldn't draw any tragic conclusions from this, and neither would my wife. But I would suggest the hypothetical couple to have a calm conversation about their mutual lack of trust, where that is coming from, and what to do going forward.

    EDIT

    For a more literal response. (1) I would probably not hand my phone to my wife because it is personal and I shouldn't need to provide any more reason. I might still do it if there was a clear necessity. For the sake of argument let's say I didn't. (2) If she said she did not trust me I would understand that our problems go way beyond just having access to my phone, so I would (3) muster all my energy, patience, and love to initiate the calm conversation I mentioned above in the hopes of reestablishing trust in the relationship while maintaining my privacy and individuality.

    16 votes
  8. [6]
    Raistlin
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    Privacy expectations change when you have a partner. I put a lot of work into making sure government and corporations have as little of my data as possible. I don't put that work into keeping...

    Privacy expectations change when you have a partner. I put a lot of work into making sure government and corporations have as little of my data as possible. I don't put that work into keeping things from wife, as I don't have the same expectation of privacy. If she asked for my phone, I'd assume she needed it for some reason, and I wouldn't really be that curious as to why. Probably she ran out of data and wants to watch a video or something, I dunno.

    But we've been together for 14 years. Don't know your context.

    12 votes
    1. [5]
      X08
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      There is no context, this came up during a road trip conversation with a friend. The idea was that do you sacrifice your own boundaries to appease the other over privacy vs. do you accept someone...

      There is no context, this came up during a road trip conversation with a friend. The idea was that do you sacrifice your own boundaries to appease the other over privacy vs. do you accept someone who is not trusting you to begin with.

      2 votes
      1. ShroudedScribe
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        "Sacrifice" and "appease" are words with strong negative connotation, in my opinion. Neither should be recurring actions in a healthy relationship. Compromise and communication are required for...

        "Sacrifice" and "appease" are words with strong negative connotation, in my opinion. Neither should be recurring actions in a healthy relationship. Compromise and communication are required for any relationship, romantic or platonic. If you feel like you're giving something up regularly, it probably won't work out in the long run.

        12 votes
      2. Raistlin
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        But even that depends. Generally, it's a huge red flag that your partner doesn't trust to to begin with. But is she otherwise amazing and supportive, and recently just got out of a horrible...

        But even that depends. Generally, it's a huge red flag that your partner doesn't trust to to begin with. But is she otherwise amazing and supportive, and recently just got out of a horrible relationship where she got cheated on, which long term damaged her? And then maybe you got out of a relationship where your partner was spying on you. Both of you might be genuinely good people, but your respective traumas means maybe this won't work. Or maybe you don't give a shit about what's on your phone and it's not a problem.

        It entirely depends on the two individuals. There's no objective correct answer, though I will still note that you sacrifice some boundaries if you choose to share your life with another person.

        6 votes
      3. [2]
        papasquat
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        I don't have a boundary that my partner can't see my phone. That said, if she asked for my phone to look through it because she doesn't trust me, I'd still hand it over, but she would have some...

        I don't have a boundary that my partner can't see my phone. That said, if she asked for my phone to look through it because she doesn't trust me, I'd still hand it over, but she would have some serious explaining to do. I've never given her a reason not to trust me, so as soon as her fears are assuaged, she'd have to explain why the sudden suspicion, and I could see it seriously damaging our relationship.

        I think having a boundary of "my partner is not allowed to see my phone" within a committed relationship is weird, but specifically snooping through my phone is also weird, and far more concerning.

        6 votes
        1. sparksbet
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          Yeah I think the original scenario indicates that neither partner trusts the other. I would push back if my wife said she wanted to police my messages bc she doesn't trust me, but I think assuming...

          Yeah I think the original scenario indicates that neither partner trusts the other. I would push back if my wife said she wanted to police my messages bc she doesn't trust me, but I think assuming that's what your partner wants when your partner asks for your phone is also a red flag.

          7 votes
  9. Notcoffeetable
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    As other have said, this relationship need to be assessed. But my partner and I use each other's phones all the time. We respond to texts for each other when the other is driving and we DJ with...

    As other have said, this relationship need to be assessed.

    But my partner and I use each other's phones all the time. We respond to texts for each other when the other is driving and we DJ with whatever phone is connected to the aux.

    Honestly location sharing is the privacy thing I'd be more inclined to opt out of.

    10 votes
  10. MechanicalMagpie
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    My response would probably be "Damn, comrade, well it was nice while it lasted 🖖" I'm not a child, and if my partner feels it necessary to look through my phone like I am one, I'm out, full stop....

    My response would probably be "Damn, comrade, well it was nice while it lasted 🖖"

    I'm not a child, and if my partner feels it necessary to look through my phone like I am one, I'm out, full stop. Tbh if someone I'm dating gets to that point, then things were broken way beforehand and this is just the last straw.

    I also wouldn't hand my partner my whole physical journal or pieces of paper that I wrote down my social media logins on either, so it seems a bit weird to think of doing all that in one fell swoop by handing over my phone.

    And, in the spirit of fairness, I can't think of a reason I'd ask for my partner's phone either. If I thought they were cheating or doing something harmful, I'd either talk to them about it or get my shit and go, depending on the severity of whatever was going on.

    Edit: punctuation

    10 votes
  11. SloMoMonday
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    Its weird to talk to relationship hypotheticals, simply because everyone has very different ideas on what a committed partners looks like. I'm very much in a decade long honeymoon while my sibling...

    Its weird to talk to relationship hypotheticals, simply because everyone has very different ideas on what a committed partners looks like. I'm very much in a decade long honeymoon while my sibling seems to just have a friend with tax benefits.

    So speaking for myself, this is pretty much a non-issue.
    My wife and I trust each other but we also understand that our phones have info that is not for the other person. Most notably: sensitive client/work info, our friends and personal finances.

    We pick up and use each others phones when needed and know to not pry when we hit a password screen. But we also know each others passwords. Sometimes we need to use the messaging app or get a proof of payment for something so it's understandable.

    We don't see the need to go through every message or scrutinize every contact or transaction. If there's something weird, we talk about it. I've been called out on some wasteful spending and toxic family stuff. I called her out on her overworking and her social media use. We're adults that love each other. There's no winning by putting each other down. But we need to have hard conversations to lift each other uo.

    But like I said initially, that line of trust is not a standard. Everyones different and relationships evolve. There's also the messy topic of what is private and what is sacred in your relationship. For the time and emotional investment, everyone owes their partners more than "its private" because that term is so loaded. It's a series of difficult conversations, but you're essentially clearing a minefield together and you will have a much better idea on what can end your relationship. There's nothing more dangerous in a social contract than expectations built on assumptions.

    So agree on what's private and where your lines are. And be mature and understanding without compromising on your values. There are so many things that people avoid. Porn. Being flirty. Friends with the opposite gender. Spending habits. Open relationships. Former partners. Backup plans. Family. Kids. Your jobs. Aspirations. Vices. Politics. There's no right or wrong, just the difference on where both (or all) of you stand.

    Sometimes you're on the same page. Sometimes the gap is small enough to bridge. Sometimes you're on the other side of the world and you're going to have to come together or drift apart.

    10 votes
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    chocobean
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    Like many others with open phone policy : my phone is quite often nearly dead, and theirs is newer and can play a game that mine won't download anymore. But borrowing come with the implicit...

    Like many others with open phone policy : my phone is quite often nearly dead, and theirs is newer and can play a game that mine won't download anymore. But borrowing come with the implicit understanding that I'm not gonna sit here looking through their search history or photos or contacts or texts or emails etc. I'm here to leech battery and play my game and that's it. They're welcome to use mine for buying stuff without having to login or punch in payment info, but I would be surprised and dismayed if i see them thumbing through my texts and emails etc.

    But. This is a very old marriage now and I wouldn't have expected the same of a betrothed or dating partner. The trust is mostly a short hand for how boring thoroughly uninterested in other people we are lol

    8 votes
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      vord
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      God, what am I gonna do? Have sex with other people? Ugh that probably involves having to talk to them first.

      God, what am I gonna do? Have sex with other people? Ugh that probably involves having to talk to them first.

      8 votes
      1. chocobean
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        We've circled all the way back to "ew they have cooties"

        We've circled all the way back to "ew they have cooties"

        8 votes
  13. kaffo
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    I think for the most part that most people trust their partner with that level of information, as they are in a relationship and they agree to the "privacy agreement". I think if you were the kind...

    I think for the most part that most people trust their partner with that level of information, as they are in a relationship and they agree to the "privacy agreement".
    I think if you were the kind of person who was that aggressive about your privacy that you were concerned about your partner invading it, you'd be in a relationship with someone who would understand it if not have a similar mindset and the answer would be different.

    6 votes
  14. Eji1700
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    If you're at the point that someone is asking in the first place things should maybe be assessed. My wife asks for my phone because she doesn't have hers on her or wants to show off some picture I...

    If you're at the point that someone is asking in the first place things should maybe be assessed.

    My wife asks for my phone because she doesn't have hers on her or wants to show off some picture I took or whatever. There's some small expectation of privacy in that "HAND IT OVER THIS MOMENT" would cause me concern, but at the same time she's more than welcome to root around on there to her hearts content. At the same time, if she were asking constantly and didn't trust me that's concerning either for me or for her, and early on I drew pretty clear boundaries on things like this until I was more comfortable later. Not to hide any specific thing, but more just because I value my privacy and it takes a lot for me to decide to share it.

    6 votes
  15. BeanBurrito
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    I would have given her the phone on the condition she tells me why she wants to see it.

    I would have given her the phone on the condition she tells me why she wants to see it.

    4 votes
  16. deathinactthree
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    My partner and I don't have an open phone policy. We also trust each other to not desire to ask. We still hand each other our phones if there's a reason. If, for example, we want to show the other...

    My partner and I don't have an open phone policy. We also trust each other to not desire to ask. We still hand each other our phones if there's a reason. If, for example, we want to show the other a few pet photos we took, we trust each other to not, like, keep swiping through the entire camera roll.

    It's not because we keep nefarious stuff on our phones. It's because there's stuff on our phones--by extension, in our respective lives--that aren't the other's business. Sometimes it's because it's related to a gift or surprise we're planning. Sometimes it's a private text or email conversation with a close friend about a sensitive topic that isn't the business of anyone not in that conversation. Sometimes it's personal notes or material that isn't anyone's business, even though it's innocent enough on its own.

    It's not that there's a lot of that kind of material on either of our phones, it's that there's any at all.

    To the OP's question, I would tactfully reiterate a shortened version of the above as a response. If that doesn't end the conversation or results in an eradication of trust, I would not have much issue calling it a day on that relationship. It's completely fine if someone prefers to have that kind of open-phone policy with their partner, I'm not judging it as a practice, but it doesn't match my values or what I want in a long-term partner.

    4 votes
  17. Baeocystin
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    My phone has private, personal conversations with many people, private information related to business dealings, and private notes to myself that are intended only for my eyes. Outside of a call...

    My phone has private, personal conversations with many people, private information related to business dealings, and private notes to myself that are intended only for my eyes. Outside of a call 911 while I administer first aid type of emergency, it doesn't get shared, and I would never ask a partner for theirs for the same reason.

    I have no nefarious secrets to hide. I do not lie or cheat. I also have my own business that is no one else's, as does any adult. I respect my partner's right to a private internal life, and I expect the same.

    Of course, the reality is that there is very little I don't share and talk about with my significant other, which is also how it should be. But levels of privacy are important, and this is a hill I am willing to, if not die on, at least fight to defend.

    4 votes
  18. llehsadam
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    Privacy is freedom from intrusion. If you state privacy concerns as a reason without seriously contemplating if it is intrusion for you, i.e. if you actually give a crap your partner sees what’s...

    Privacy is freedom from intrusion. If you state privacy concerns as a reason without seriously contemplating if it is intrusion for you, i.e. if you actually give a crap your partner sees what’s on your phone, then it’s not a real reason because you wouldn’t actually find it intrusive in any consequential sense.

    3 votes
  19. Foreigner
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    My wife and I have access to each other's phones whenever needed, I'd have no issue with her looking through my phone and vice versa. There have been times where she needed to head out and had to...

    My wife and I have access to each other's phones whenever needed, I'd have no issue with her looking through my phone and vice versa. There have been times where she needed to head out and had to take my phone because hers is out of battery or I need to use her phone wallet to pay for something she needs, and vice versa. If she were suddenly to demand my phone with an accusatory tone, I'd probably be taken aback and defensive. Not because I feel I have anything to hide, but because her tone would make me wonder what's going on and why she suddenly doesn't trust me.

    3 votes
  20. Thrabalen
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    I think the entire scenario is a doomed relationship. You can't have love without trust, and neither party trusts the other. They may be dating, but there's no "partnership" here. Now, if they're...

    I think the entire scenario is a doomed relationship. You can't have love without trust, and neither party trusts the other. They may be dating, but there's no "partnership" here. Now, if they're not serious yet, then maybe the trust isn't there, but honestly, the entire premise is very accusational.

    As for what I'd say? Likely, "Either you trust me, and there's no need, because you know you won't find anything. Or you think I'm deceitful, and there's no need, because you know it would just confirm what you already know."

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  21. Lia
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    I'm not in a relationship at the moment, but in the past I've had one dysfunctional and several functional relationships, one of which more than a decade long. I'll compare the two scenarios. For...

    I'm not in a relationship at the moment, but in the past I've had one dysfunctional and several functional relationships, one of which more than a decade long. I'll compare the two scenarios. For context, I've never betrayed a partner and never really even come close to wanting to do so.

    Functional relationship: During our 13 years together, my partner never asked to see my phone, but if he had, I would have had no problem handing it over. (A few times I asked him to check something on my phone for me when it was inconvenient to do myself.)

    I would have let him go through every bit of content on my phone without a problem. Certainly some things on there would have raised questions and some may have had potential to be hurtful, to some extent. But me and him were discussing things like this actively anyway and we always got through those conversations without damaging the relationship. I could also fully trust that he wouldn't pay attention to private information about my friends or other people, should he see some. It's none of his business and doesn't interest him. We were business partners so any business secrets he was already in on. Conclusion: no such secrets were on my phone that he couldn't be allowed to see.

    Dysfunctional relationship: This was a person who clearly did not trust me and looked for reassurance in other ways, such as asking other people for opinions about me and my behaviour, asking me to provide proof for things that were impossible to prove, looking for all sorts of discrepancies in my communication that could indicate deception, etc. One time he wanted me to send a selfie from a restaurant I was in and when I did that, he started questioning me on why the sun seemed to be coming from a different direction than it should, given the time of day and the location of the restaurant. I couldn't give a satisfactory explanation. All I knew was that I'd been where and when I said I was.

    If someone like this wanted to see my phone, I would probably still let them see it, but I wouldn't enthusiastically participate in the ensuing inquisition. I already know it's a losing game for both people. Rather, I would likely make an internal decision that the relationship is over and then just let it play out.

    Conclusion: If you can't trust your partner to be able to handle what's on your phone / to not be deceitful (trust goes both ways), the relationship isn't going to work. That's regardless of whether phones are looked at or not.

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  22. kollkana
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    Much like most of the other responses, the hypothetical falls apart for me quite quickly. With my current partner I can't fathom him just asking for my phone - if he needs something from it he'll...

    Much like most of the other responses, the hypothetical falls apart for me quite quickly. With my current partner I can't fathom him just asking for my phone - if he needs something from it he'll either ask for said specific thing or I will be handing him the phone with the relevant thing open before he asks. Similarly I'll only ask to borrow his [device] to do a specific thing named in the request.

    I do have stuff on my phone that I don't want my partner to see, much like he has stuff on his PC that he doesn't want me to see, so any sharing of devices comes with the implicit understanding that we won't go digging, and occasionally the explicit disclaimer of "oh, but don't open that [folder/chat]". It did take years to get to that level of trust, and during those years our devices were just off-limits to each other. (I still moan about "not being allowed" to use his PC because it would be so convenient for watching stuff while wfh, but he's not comfortable with that and I respect him, so I use my personal laptop and it is very silly with three computers on the same desk)

    In a different, hypothetical relationship I'd probably hand the phone over locked, assuming they wanted to see the model for some reason. If they asked me to unlock it I'd insist on knowing why, and once it came out that they didn't trust me and felt the need to dig in my phone we'd probably be over.

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  23. Thomas-C
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    "Then have fun with someone else" I'm not gonna stick with someone who makes a demand like that and doesn't explain anything. It's not about what's on my phone, it's about you trying to pry into...

    "Then have fun with someone else"

    I'm not gonna stick with someone who makes a demand like that and doesn't explain anything. It's not about what's on my phone, it's about you trying to pry into my life like you're entitled to it in order to be able to trust me, when you're a "partner" and not my spouse. My hope would be that I've done enough to earn that trust without stuff like that, because I want to respect your privacy too and let you have your own slice of life to yourself. Be my spouse and things get a little more flexible, but be ready because I'm gonna want to know what in the world got you to the point of feeling like you needed to look through my stuff. I've dealt with enough people covering for their own shady shit and getting out of sorts with it, I don't need that in my life again.

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  24. TyrianMollusk
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    I don't assert privacy over my partner. That would just be weird. We're partners, and there's no intrusion in one of us looking at something.

    I don't assert privacy over my partner. That would just be weird. We're partners, and there's no intrusion in one of us looking at something.

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    I do not allow my partner to use my phone, and would never use their phone/accounts/devices unless it was either an emergency or they specifically and explicitly asked me to do something. Partly...

    I do not allow my partner to use my phone, and would never use their phone/accounts/devices unless it was either an emergency or they specifically and explicitly asked me to do something.
    Partly this is because securing my devices and being deliberate with my security is simply a habit I've formed over time long before I've met them, and partly this is because I do not think that I need to justify my desire for privacy.

    While I have nothing to hide, especially from her, I do not think that privacy is simply the matter of not having anything to hide. Phones and electronics are extensions of our minds, and they contain a lot of information about us, and it is not reasonable to expect a person to be comfortable with being completely and unconditionally transparent with all their thoughts. Many are half formed, and are the product of me grappling with an idea before my full opinion is formed, thus they aren't really representative of my fully considered opinion.
    I have on there conversations with friends that, while I would not be afraid to share with her if there was a need for it, it is none of her business since she's not a party to it.

    I do think it is an unhealthy relationship practice to demand access to your partner's phone. It breeds a surveillance mentality and perpetuates a lack of trust. My wife has earned my trust in her, and to me trust is having faith that she will treat me and our relationship fairly and within the bounds of parameters we have agreed upon. Obsessively checking it does not engender trust, but breaks it.
    The reality is that if somebody wants to betray your trust, they can do that, and no amoung of surveliance will prevent that (unless you, like, hold them in a windowless box and prevent them from interacting with anyone but you, but I'm pretty sure that's a crime).

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      I think this is the case if the reason for access to your partner's phone is mistrust, but I don't think this is necessarily the case for all relationships. I think there's just as much of a case...

      I do think it is an unhealthy relationship practice to demand access to your partner's phone. It breeds a surveillance mentality and perpetuates a lack of trust

      I think this is the case if the reason for access to your partner's phone is mistrust, but I don't think this is necessarily the case for all relationships. I think there's just as much of a case to be made that insisting your partner can never have access to your phone also breeds a lack of trust, depending on the circumstance. Ultimately it's a boundary that each individual relationship should negotiate together, and it's respect for one another and the boundaries that are important to them that matters more than the specifics of phone access.

      My partner and I know each others' phone passwords, for instance, because it's convenient at times to be able to access each others' phones if needed. It's rarely needed, but we both trust each other not to needlessly violate our privacy, so there's little downside to having the ability to access each other's phones. In this circumstance, I think a sudden refusal to allow my wife to use my phone would be an indicator of mistrust and something breaking down, and I think my wife would be right to consider it a red flag. But if we'd previously established boundaries about our phones being private, I think insisting on using it without a good reason would then be the red flag -- much as it would be if I demanded my wife let me read her diary. It all depends on the established boundaries in the relationship.

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      1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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        I wonder genuinely if the hypothetical were framed differently if responses would be different. I think this is implicitly framed currently as "you're doing nothing dishonest, your partner doesn't...

        I wonder genuinely if the hypothetical were framed differently if responses would be different. I think this is implicitly framed currently as "you're doing nothing dishonest, your partner doesn't trust you because of their insecurity and your refusal is reasonable" because it puts "you" in the seat of the refuser. It also gives no reason for why the partner wants see your phone.

        You ask your partner to use their phone to look up restaurants for dinner because yours is acting up, they say "No, that's private" and you feel uncomfortable with how quickly they shut you down and tell them that makes you not trust them.

        The real answer here is having conversations with one's partner(s) and not, for example getting into fights because "other females follow you on Instagram" (sigh college kids). And there are perfectly valid reasons to say no to someone else using your phone. But this is one of many such conversations that couples really need to have. My partner and I can see each other's bank accounts, because it's easier to move money around that way. Everyone's different but it's always odd to me how comfortable we are at being naked with people but not share our browser history with them

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