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Windows 11 now shows a full-screen pop-up to use OneDrive and protect your PC

61 comments

  1. [24]
    DeaconBlue
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    As we know, any thread about windows updates are actually threads about Linux. As such, I recently did a test. It wasn't a particularly scientific test, but it was interesting. I checked how long...

    As we know, any thread about windows updates are actually threads about Linux. As such, I recently did a test. It wasn't a particularly scientific test, but it was interesting.

    I checked how long it took to do a clean install of windows and get all of my normal applications installed and signed into plus the time it took to turn off as much of the crap like this as I could. It was around two hours all told.

    I did the same experiment but spinning up Arch, installing all of my normal applications, and getting all of my normal windows-only applications running through Proton or Wine, and it came in at 90 minutes.

    My tech illiterate wife has been running Arch on the laptop for six months now with exactly one piece of additional fiddling - every couple of weeks she has to run pacman -S discord. Linux is very user friendly for normal users and has been for years. Doing weird things will still be a struggle sometimes, but the average user probably wouldn't notice a difference if you threw a windowsish taskbar on the bottom.

    51 votes
    1. [12]
      freedomischaos
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      That's my plan in the near future for my partner. Plan was Manjaro as to have more GUI based things. I'm a long timer Linux user both server and desktop and totally agree. I've given up Windows.

      That's my plan in the near future for my partner. Plan was Manjaro as to have more GUI based things. I'm a long timer Linux user both server and desktop and totally agree. I've given up Windows.

      8 votes
      1. [10]
        spidicaballero
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        I would try to avoid Manjaro, for this and that, and I would recommend openSUSE instead, even Debian or maybe Mint. Fedora is kinda cool and is sometimes easier to work with.

        I would try to avoid Manjaro, for this and that, and I would recommend openSUSE instead, even Debian or maybe Mint. Fedora is kinda cool and is sometimes easier to work with.

        12 votes
        1. [6]
          cfabbro
          (edited )
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          Out of curiosity, why do you recommend avoiding Manjaro? That was the only distro that worked out-of-the-box on my over-the-top multi-monitor setup last time I played around with Linux. Ubuntu and...

          Out of curiosity, why do you recommend avoiding Manjaro? That was the only distro that worked out-of-the-box on my over-the-top multi-monitor setup last time I played around with Linux. Ubuntu and Mint took a bunch of tinkering but I eventually got them working properly. However, even after hours and hours of trying (and tons of wiki and forum post reading) I couldn't get Arch to work properly with my setup. I never tried openSUSE, Debian or Fidora though.

          9 votes
          1. [2]
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            1. V17
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              I know this is anecdotal, but I have never ever had this issue in the years that I've used Manjaro, and AUR is pretty much the main reason why I'm using anything Arch-related.

              Packages installed from the AUR often break Manjaro because they are built against the most recent packages that may not be available in Manjaro yet. If you don't use the AUR, Manjaro is reportedly fine.

              I know this is anecdotal, but I have never ever had this issue in the years that I've used Manjaro, and AUR is pretty much the main reason why I'm using anything Arch-related.

              3 votes
          2. spidicaballero
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            Mostly for the reasons given, I recommended first openSUSE because you mentioned the GUI based thing, and you can set up pretty much anything using Yast without having to touch the terminal....

            Mostly for the reasons given, I recommended first openSUSE because you mentioned the GUI based thing, and you can set up pretty much anything using Yast without having to touch the terminal. Fedora is good but I prefer rolling release distros just for preferences, but usually is not difficult to set up and it has high compatibility.

            If you prefer Arch, Endeavour OS is also a good option, is my main distro right now together with openSUSE (I tend to prefer it, but the package manager can be slow)

            1 vote
          3. [2]
            hungariantoast
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            lmao every time you post your setup it's a little different and a little better, I'm here for it

            lmao every time you post your setup it's a little different and a little better, I'm here for it

            5 votes
            1. cfabbro
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              Heh, thanks! I was never quite happy with it before, so kept trying different arrangements and orientations. But I think I finally found the ideal one. :)

              Heh, thanks! I was never quite happy with it before, so kept trying different arrangements and orientations. But I think I finally found the ideal one. :)

              1 vote
        2. [2]
          crdpa
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          If he absolutely want Arch, EndeavourOS should be the choice. The installation and configuration are easier, but in the end it's just Arch.

          If he absolutely want Arch, EndeavourOS should be the choice.

          The installation and configuration are easier, but in the end it's just Arch.

          7 votes
          1. spidicaballero
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            Yeah, I mentioned openSUSE as first choice only because of Yast, I think that for people that want to set up their system mainly using a GUI is one of the best tools for that, if not the best.

            Yeah, I mentioned openSUSE as first choice only because of Yast, I think that for people that want to set up their system mainly using a GUI is one of the best tools for that, if not the best.

        3. freedomischaos
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          Edit: it's 5am and I didn't check the topic first and see that it was answered already. I'll check out the others when I get to it. I do use AUR but not a lot (dozen pkg maybe?) so still haven't...

          Edit: it's 5am and I didn't check the topic first and see that it was answered already. I'll check out the others when I get to it. I do use AUR but not a lot (dozen pkg maybe?) so still haven't seen anything stop me.

          Curious what's the issue with Manjaro? I've been using it as main for some time and generally find it easier to stick with the same distro than learn the format of several and have to flip between the pages of my brain to remember how a certain one works.

          I typically use Debian or alpine for servers and Arch for desktop but I've done all listed before and end up back to this range. I've yet to encounter a show stopping issue with Manjaro though.

          1 vote
      2. ahatlikethat
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        Thats exactly what I did for my partner, he's not at all tech oriented and is super happy withhis manjaro KDE/plasma setup. Ive never once regretted leaving windows for linux and ive been super...

        Thats exactly what I did for my partner, he's not at all tech oriented and is super happy withhis manjaro KDE/plasma setup. Ive never once regretted leaving windows for linux and ive been super impressed with the depth of patient support on the manjaro forum when my ignorant tinkering made a mess of things.

        2 votes
    2. JCPhoenix
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      Back when netbooks were popular, I managed to put my mom on Xubuntu (The SSD was only 16GB and Xubuntu was smaller than Ubuntu). And she did well enough! Now she didn't have that much experience...

      Back when netbooks were popular, I managed to put my mom on Xubuntu (The SSD was only 16GB and Xubuntu was smaller than Ubuntu). And she did well enough! Now she didn't have that much experience with Windows -- surprisingly, she had more experience with DOS -- so I think that helped. She was a clean state so to speak.

      She's since moved onto OSX/MacOS, at my suggestion, and has been using MacOS for like 10yrs. She's no expert, and she prefers using her Android phone for most things, but she's got the hang of Mac. She's certainly not calling me all the time, asking how to do things.

      Which if she were on Windows, feel like she would be.

      6 votes
    3. [3]
      Daedalus_1
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      I don't think your "tech illiterate wife" would be able to install Arch on her own. As much as I'd like linux to succeed, we also have to be realistic. Here's an example: as long as someone like...

      I don't think your "tech illiterate wife" would be able to install Arch on her own. As much as I'd like linux to succeed, we also have to be realistic. Here's an example: as long as someone like Linus Sebastian is able to fully crash/brick a setup, it's not ready for the mainstream. (I know, I know, he ignored the instructions, but that's what normies typically do!)
      I've been running linux for years, and yes it's gotten way more user friendlier, but it's still leaps behind Windows and MacOS when it comes to being "mainstream" and "plug and play".

      5 votes
      1. lhamil64
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        Also, an area where Linux really struggles is accessibility. I'm legally blind so I use a screen magnifier pretty heavily. I currently use Linux Mint with the Cinnamon DE as it seemed like it had...

        Also, an area where Linux really struggles is accessibility. I'm legally blind so I use a screen magnifier pretty heavily. I currently use Linux Mint with the Cinnamon DE as it seemed like it had the least-bad magnifier. But it's pretty rough. For example, there's a setting that lets you hold a modifier key and scroll the mouse to zoom in & out, but in many apps (including default apps like Settings) the underlying content scrolls too. You can also map regular hotkeys to zoom, but that doesn't work if certain menus are open for example. It also works terribly with multiple monitors. It treats them as one big desktop, so if you have two monitors the "center" is between them (which causes weirdness depending on what settings you have). I tried KDE and it seemed to have similar issues, and the settings were a fragmented mess to boot.

        I've been tempted to just deep dive into the code for the various DEs and try to improve the magnifiers but it seems like such a time sink and hard to get a development environment set up.

        4 votes
      2. adutchman
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        For what it's worth: Distro/ Desktop Environment devs have been focussing way more on the experience for the average user in recent years and it has payed of, but there is still a ways to go...

        For what it's worth: Distro/ Desktop Environment devs have been focussing way more on the experience for the average user in recent years and it has payed of, but there is still a ways to go before the average tech joe can go and install it and expect nearly no issues.

        3 votes
    4. SloMoMonday
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      Current on my own journey to a Linux daily driver and my wife is going to jump to Mint pretty soon because the Adobe/Office365 costs are racking up and shes not keen on needing 30gb of screenshots...

      Current on my own journey to a Linux daily driver and my wife is going to jump to Mint pretty soon because the Adobe/Office365 costs are racking up and shes not keen on needing 30gb of screenshots to remember how to draft an email.
      I do have to dual boot Windows for some work programs (running it in a bottle has been weird) and this is an invaluable resource:

      https://youtu.be/pDEZDD_gEbo
      https://github.com/memstechtips/UnattendedWinstall

      It shines a light on all the lies we know MS has been spouting about Windows being fully integrated with all its bloat. Stripping away Onedrive, CoPilot, Edge, the countless trackers and junk apps does not cause my machine to explode, who would have known. Almost dropped the linux plan when I saw the truly clean install but I've heard horror stories from people inside MS and I can't imagine the MS ecosystem getting any better.

      4 votes
    5. [6]
      BashCrandiboot
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      My work requires that I use Adobe Creative Suite, which AFAIK isn't ideal to run through Wine/Proton. Would a virtual machine be the way to go here, or would it be better/easier to dual boot? The...

      My work requires that I use Adobe Creative Suite, which AFAIK isn't ideal to run through Wine/Proton. Would a virtual machine be the way to go here, or would it be better/easier to dual boot? The only experience I have with Linux is dinking around with my raspberry pi.

      Every year I get closer and closer to jumping to Linux, but what stops me is not knowing what obstacles I'll run into along the way. I'm basically looking for any excuse to do it at this point thought.

      4 votes
      1. [2]
        Akir
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        I would do a VM, but only if you don’t need GPU acceleration. In theory you can pass through your GPU directly into the VM, but it’s much harder than it is worth. If you do need it after all,...

        I would do a VM, but only if you don’t need GPU acceleration. In theory you can pass through your GPU directly into the VM, but it’s much harder than it is worth. If you do need it after all, dual-boot but be aware that Windows has a tendency of overwriting bootloaders.

        5 votes
        1. BashCrandiboot
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          Thanks! I'll check it out. Soon I'm gonna have a lot of free time on my hands to fiddle with this stuff.

          Thanks! I'll check it out. Soon I'm gonna have a lot of free time on my hands to fiddle with this stuff.

          1 vote
      2. [2]
        sparksbet
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        There's always the option of dual-boot if you want to dip your toes.

        There's always the option of dual-boot if you want to dip your toes.

        3 votes
        1. BashCrandiboot
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          I used to dual-boot Windows on my old iMacs all the time, idk why I haven't tried it with Linux yet on my PC. Maybe I'll start dinking around with it this weekend.

          I used to dual-boot Windows on my old iMacs all the time, idk why I haven't tried it with Linux yet on my PC. Maybe I'll start dinking around with it this weekend.

          2 votes
      3. TurtleCracker
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        If the goal is to get away from Windows, rather than moving to Linux, Mac might be your best bet if Adobe Creative Suite is a hard requirement. Right now I use Windows, Mac, and Linux at home but...

        If the goal is to get away from Windows, rather than moving to Linux, Mac might be your best bet if Adobe Creative Suite is a hard requirement.

        Right now I use Windows, Mac, and Linux at home but will cut Windows out when I'm forced from Windows 10 to 11 I think. The only reason I still have Windows currently is for gaming. Most of the Linux usage is headless servers or development virtual machines.

        1 vote
  2. [7]
    JXM
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    Every time I get annoyed that Apple nags the shit out of you to try any of their services you haven’t signed up for, I remember how much worse Windows is. (I’m mostly joking. It’s just as bad when...

    Every time I get annoyed that Apple nags the shit out of you to try any of their services you haven’t signed up for, I remember how much worse Windows is.

    (I’m mostly joking. It’s just as bad when Apple or Samsung does it.)

    21 votes
    1. [4]
      datavoid
      Link Parent
      Couldn't back up device (23 weeks since last backup)

      Couldn't back up device (23 weeks since last backup)

      13 votes
      1. [3]
        adorac
        Link Parent
        You and your family are eligible for Apple Arcade. You and your family are eligible for Apple Fitness+. You and your family are eligible for Apple News+.

        You and your family are eligible for Apple Arcade.

        You and your family are eligible for Apple Fitness+.

        You and your family are eligible for Apple News+.

        17 votes
        1. [2]
          blivet
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          I must have set a preference at some point, because I literally never get those kind of notifications on any of my Apple devices.

          I must have set a preference at some point, because I literally never get those kind of notifications on any of my Apple devices.

          11 votes
          1. Nihilego
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            My iPhone 13 Mini had these in the settings, but not as notifications. M1BA however kept nagging me to buy more iCloud storage until I emptied it and only used it for syncing things like browser...

            My iPhone 13 Mini had these in the settings, but not as notifications.
            M1BA however kept nagging me to buy more iCloud storage until I emptied it and only used it for syncing things like browser stuff and notes.

            1 vote
    2. [2]
      kaffo
      Link Parent
      Google too! On my Pixel every... Maybe month I open my photos I get a half screen popup with "back up your photos to Google drive, they are in danger!!" I back up my photos anyway to a hard drive...

      Google too!
      On my Pixel every... Maybe month I open my photos I get a half screen popup with "back up your photos to Google drive, they are in danger!!"
      I back up my photos anyway to a hard drive when I sync to my pc, but I cannot seem to turn off this message...

      10 votes
      1. imperator
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        I've been itching to switch to graphenos. I'm assuming it wouldn't be happening there.

        I've been itching to switch to graphenos. I'm assuming it wouldn't be happening there.

  3. [15]
    ShroudedScribe
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    This isn't a solution for everyone, but if you're interested in Windows 11 but don't want to deal with most of these things, opt for the professional edition. Professional includes group policy...

    This isn't a solution for everyone, but if you're interested in Windows 11 but don't want to deal with most of these things, opt for the professional edition. Professional includes group policy editor, which can disable the majority of annoyances. I've done a few registry edits as well. I've saved a list of edits I've made if anyone is interested.

    17 votes
    1. [13]
      RheingoldRiver
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      I'm still on Windows 10 but I am considering building a new PC this year with Windows 11 - I'd love your list of registry edits!

      I'm still on Windows 10 but I am considering building a new PC this year with Windows 11 - I'd love your list of registry edits!

      6 votes
      1. [12]
        ShroudedScribe
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        Sure, I should probably share this properly one day, but here's a rough list for now. (Including @tape as well.) Group Policy edits (gpedit) Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates >...
        • Exemplary

        Sure, I should probably share this properly one day, but here's a rough list for now. (Including @tape as well.)

        Group Policy edits (gpedit)

        Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > OneDrive
        Prevent the usage of OneDrive for file storage
        Enabled

        User Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > File Explorer
        “Turn off display of recent search entries in the File Explorer search box”
        Enabled

        Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > System > Power Management > Sleep Settings
        "Allow applications to prevent automatic sleep (plugged in)"
        Enabled

        User Configuration > Administrative Templates > Start Menu and Taskbar
        "Remove Recommended section from Start Menu"
        Enabled

        Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Start Menu and Taskbar
        "Remove Recommended section from Start Menu"
        Enabled

        User Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Copilot > Turn off Windows Copilot
        Enabled


        registry edits (regedit)

        HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows
        Create a new key (aka folder) called Explorer
        Create a new DWORD (32-bit) registry key and name it DisableSearchBoxSuggestions
        Double-click on DisableSearchBoxSuggestions to edit it and set the Value data field to 1 and click OK.


        Windows Firewall

        Rule to block Edge Webview from making connections
        msedgewebview2.exe

        30 votes
        1. [6]
          RheingoldRiver
          Link Parent
          Thank you!! I've bookmarked Do you know if most Windows 10 registry edits will be the same in Windows 11? I have a list here of everything I did in my current install and this was days of...

          Thank you!! I've bookmarked

          Do you know if most Windows 10 registry edits will be the same in Windows 11? I have a list here of everything I did in my current install and this was days of research, I'm dreading needing to figure it all out again

          5 votes
          1. ShroudedScribe
            Link Parent
            Some similarities for sure, but not everything will carry over. Heck, even some of the group policy settings tell you in the notes they only work for XP and lower.

            Some similarities for sure, but not everything will carry over. Heck, even some of the group policy settings tell you in the notes they only work for XP and lower.

            4 votes
          2. [4]
            imperator
            Link Parent
            Check out Chris titus, he has a script you can launch to do a lot of windows clean up

            Check out Chris titus, he has a script you can launch to do a lot of windows clean up

            2 votes
            1. [3]
              Comment deleted by author
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              1. [2]
                imperator
                Link Parent
                Not sure I haven't used Windows for 4 years+ (except work where I can't do anything to it), but I like watching Chris Titus.

                Not sure I haven't used Windows for 4 years+ (except work where I can't do anything to it), but I like watching Chris Titus.

                1 vote
        2. [2]
          Arbybear
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          What's the point of blocking Edge Webview?

          What's the point of blocking Edge Webview?

          2 votes
          1. ShroudedScribe
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            I was playing a dumb windows solitaire app for a while, and doing this blocked most ads.

            I was playing a dumb windows solitaire app for a while, and doing this blocked most ads.

            1 vote
        3. [3]
          iBleeedorange
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          How do you do registry edits?

          How do you do registry edits?

          1 vote
          1. [2]
            ShroudedScribe
            Link Parent
            Open the start menu / search and type "regedit" (no quotes). I recommend making a backup of the keys you modify first. (This can be done in regedit as well, tons of guides online for it if you...

            Open the start menu / search and type "regedit" (no quotes). I recommend making a backup of the keys you modify first. (This can be done in regedit as well, tons of guides online for it if you need help.)

            5 votes
            1. RheingoldRiver
              Link Parent
              make a backup of the entire registry first* in case you do something unintended

              make a backup of the entire registry first* in case you do something unintended

              2 votes
    2. tape
      (edited )
      Link Parent
      I'm interested. The only machine in the house with win11 on it is hooked to our hrd projector for obvious HDR needs. EDIT: Thanks :D

      I'm interested. The only machine in the house with win11 on it is hooked to our hrd projector for obvious HDR needs.
      EDIT: Thanks :D

      3 votes
  4. [2]
    Rudism
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    As much as I hate Windows and what it's become for my own personal use, I have to say that this most recent time I visited my elderly parents (early 70s), I was kind of surprised at how not-awful...

    As much as I hate Windows and what it's become for my own personal use, I have to say that this most recent time I visited my elderly parents (early 70s), I was kind of surprised at how not-awful their computers were, comparatively speaking. Their files were being backed up to OneDrive, they didn't have any weird malware or spyware nagging at them, they weren't signed up for any weird subscriptions that they don't need (one could arguably say Microsoft 365 is that, but they were actually using it as a backup and both of them use Word regularly so I give it a pass), and everything was behaving relatively sanely. I'm used to finding nonsense like 3 competing antivirus programs, malicious browser toolbars, malware nag screens, and all kinds of horrifying things, but it seems that Windows is doing a pretty good job of helping them avoid all that nonsense now.

    So as much as Windows is not for me, I think it's actually doing a much better job of stewarding non-computer-savvy people like my parents away from all the pitfalls and dangers that they used to succumb to on a regular basis.

    On a related note, I also found it kind of fascinating/horrifying how much my dad now relies on Microsoft's AI features. Like when he does a Bing search, a very clear and obvious link to click could be the top result, but he doesn't even register that the normal results exist anymore--instead he stares and waits for the AI summary to fill up with text and then clicks whatever links it gives him there (even if they're objectively going to be less useful). The example that springs to mind is he searched something like "How do I log into [his bank name]'s website?", and the top result was "[his bank name] - Login." The AI response clearly didn't fully understand the specificity of his question and gave a generic "here's how you log into a website" answer with a link to some government article about online banking, and he clicked that one instead of even looking at the search results. It would almost be comical if it wasn't so Dark Mirror-y.

    17 votes
    1. krellor
      Link Parent
      I've had the same experiences as you. Most of the discussions I've seen on things like Windows nagging you about OneDrive or Microsoft 365 integrations are between tech savvy folks or...

      I've had the same experiences as you. Most of the discussions I've seen on things like Windows nagging you about OneDrive or Microsoft 365 integrations are between tech savvy folks or professionals who generally don't forget their local password or to backup their critical data.

      Windows 11 is pretty clearly pitched to folks that don't have any of those skills. For about $100 a year you can get a family Microsoft 365 subscription that dovetails with your Windows OS to make sure you have backups of your data, account recovery options in the event of a lockout, and basic safety and productivity tools.

      When I set up a computer for my wife's elderly parents, I installed Windows paired with a Microsoft account, setup Windows Hello so they can login with the PIN and not have the actual password, and removed their admin rights so they can pretty much only install stuff from the windows store.

      And it works. They rarely need me to remote in, and I can restore their exact setup from a clean Windows system with a few simple logins.

      That's who Microsoft is targeting with their OS and these nags. And I think anyone who has worked a help desk understands why nagging people to enable a backup is pretty important for the average user.

      Edit: and all of this is mostly about the Home version. I rarely see nags on the pro version, and can turn them off.

      12 votes
  5. [3]
    post_below
    Link
    There are various freeware applications that can disable windows ads, nagging, onedrive, telemetry, etc.. I highly recommend using one. Even if you're comfortable editing the registry or group...

    There are various freeware applications that can disable windows ads, nagging, onedrive, telemetry, etc..

    I highly recommend using one. Even if you're comfortable editing the registry or group policies, there is so much that needs to be changed in recent versions of Windows and updates sometimes roll back changes.

    O&O ShutUp10++ is my favorite, both because it does pretty much everything I want it to do and because it's easy enough to use that I can recommend it to non tech savvy people. Support the dev if you can! (No affiliation, I don't know them, just appreciate their work).

    15 votes
    1. DefiantEmbassy
      Link Parent
      My strategy of just running O&OSU10 every time I install Windows has not failed me yet. I've yet to run into any of these irritating nags, at all. I agree that you shouldn't have to, but it's...

      My strategy of just running O&OSU10 every time I install Windows has not failed me yet. I've yet to run into any of these irritating nags, at all. I agree that you shouldn't have to, but it's pretty nice when you do.

      I'd be wary of going further than this tool: the last time I tried to debloat my Windows, I royally corked up the Xbox networking stack, and as such struggled to play Forza from the Microsoft Store (albeit, not a problem if you buy the game from Steam!).

      7 votes
    2. Arminius
      Link Parent
      Wow this will make my life better 🤩

      Wow this will make my life better 🤩

      1 vote
  6. [6]
    devalexwhite
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    I really wish Microsoft would knock this IAP stuff off with Windows, because honestly I do really like Windows 11. The design language speaks to me, the window snapping (with the presets bar at...

    I really wish Microsoft would knock this IAP stuff off with Windows, because honestly I do really like Windows 11. The design language speaks to me, the window snapping (with the presets bar at the top) is top class, the terminal app is very nice, and I really like the focus timer built into the clock (small feature I know).

    14 votes
    1. [5]
      Englerdy
      Link Parent
      Don't forget tabs in explorer! (maybe not your jam, but that was a feature I didn't know I wanted until I had it.) I am surprised at some of the design decisions they made to reduce features, like...

      Don't forget tabs in explorer! (maybe not your jam, but that was a feature I didn't know I wanted until I had it.) I am surprised at some of the design decisions they made to reduce features, like how everything on the task bar stays collapsed with know option to expand out for window names. Sure the names aren't as clean if that's what they're going for, but that felt like a big function loss to me.

      8 votes
      1. [2]
        adorac
        Link Parent
        Most of that stemmed from them rewriting the task bar entirely using XAML islands, and I guess they just ran out of time, because just last year they finally reimplemented that option! No way to...

        I am surprised at some of the design decisions they made to reduce features, like how everything on the task bar stays collapsed with no option to expand out for window names. Sure the names aren't as clean if that's what they're going for, but that felt like a big function loss to me.

        Most of that stemmed from them rewriting the task bar entirely using XAML islands, and I guess they just ran out of time, because just last year they finally reimplemented that option! No way to move it to the edge or top yet, but I'm sure they're working on it and it'll be out in a measly 2-3 years.

        6 votes
        1. Englerdy
          Link Parent
          That makes sense. Thanks so much for sharing that info. I couldn't find this the last time I tried to dig into why the tall bar was so different going from 10->11.

          That makes sense. Thanks so much for sharing that info. I couldn't find this the last time I tried to dig into why the tall bar was so different going from 10->11.

      2. devalexwhite
        Link Parent
        Oh for sure, tabs in explorer are great! Used to use some third party app in the windows 7 days for that and it would frequently blue screen my machine (I want to say it was called Clover, but not...

        Oh for sure, tabs in explorer are great! Used to use some third party app in the windows 7 days for that and it would frequently blue screen my machine (I want to say it was called Clover, but not positive)

        2 votes
      3. derekiscool
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        Fully expanded task bar names should be an option now. I believe it was added a while back due to overwhelming request

        Fully expanded task bar names should be an option now. I believe it was added a while back due to overwhelming request

        1 vote
  7. tomf
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    I really don't like Windows... but I went with W11 Enterprise and I don't get any of this bullshit. There are other quirks, though. I don't think I could ever go full time with it. MacOS is the...

    I really don't like Windows... but I went with W11 Enterprise and I don't get any of this bullshit. There are other quirks, though. I don't think I could ever go full time with it. MacOS is the best balance since I still work with the Adobe suite, but if I didn't, it'd be Linux all day without question.

    5 votes
  8. Tiraon
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    This really isn't anything new. Ever since Windows 10 released the trend was there and it will simply go on until something changes or until it reaches maximum monetization and I am not sure this...

    This really isn't anything new. Ever since Windows 10 released the trend was there and it will simply go on until something changes or until it reaches maximum monetization and I am not sure this concept is even understood in this economy.

    I am sure I'll leave out something here but so far on Windows there is required online account, forced telemetry, forced updates, ads in the os, nagware, bloatware, constantly degrading functionality, patronizing/degrading language.

    There seems to be a really strong current in society of glorifying computer illiteracy which is one of the reasons this os can do what it does, along with complacency, unwillingness to let go of fake convenience and defacto monopoly.

    2 votes
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    Pistos
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    So the 5GB is the limit for the free tier. Can you control which 5GB gets saved? So... can you fill 5GB with garbage, "back up" that, then keep Microsoft's claws off the rest of your precious...

    So the 5GB is the limit for the free tier. Can you control which 5GB gets saved? So... can you fill 5GB with garbage, "back up" that, then keep Microsoft's claws off the rest of your precious data?

    (Mostly just kidding. You can't have real control over a closed-source, proprietary OS by a company that prioritizes their interests over their users'.)

    1 vote
    1. krellor
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      You can configure which folders are backed up, so sure?

      You can configure which folders are backed up, so sure?

      3 votes