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Armenian MPs call for trans activist to be burned alive after historic speech
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Toxicity is a symptom, not a cause: to fix it, treat the discontent around the game, not the players reacting to it.
Inspired by discussion here. Toxic players don't create toxic games. Toxic games create toxic players. About a year ago, I wrote up a comprehensive report on why Overwatch's community is such a...
Inspired by discussion here.
Toxic players don't create toxic games. Toxic games create toxic players.
About a year ago, I wrote up a comprehensive report on why Overwatch's community is such a shitshow. Give it a read if you're at all interested in why game communities turn toxic, or if you're curious why Overwatch didn't stick longer as a phenomenon.
(At this point, with Overwatch now past its prime and usurped by other games due in large part to reasons I described there, I'd like to also offer a nice fat 'I told you so' to actiblizz. I didn't want to stop playing...)
The baseline question was this: Overwatch has great representation, an entertaining formula, and good messages. The game is super fun to play on the surface, and offers hundreds of hours of unique new experiences. So why is it so easily considered to have one of the most toxic competitive communities out there?
There's no explanation or reason for why naturally toxic players would gravitate towards the title, stick around, and infect the rest of the community. Nothing about Overwatch would indicate that it was going to somehow filter out the worst of the worst and keep them for itself, and that's because - bumbudaaa! It didn't.
Toxic players didn't infect Overwatch; Overwatch created toxic players.
The same things can be said for basically any other huge competitive game on the market, with CS:GO, LoL, and DOTA2 being the easiest examples. Their communities are all total swamps.
Despite this, there is virtually no game on the market which properly addresses the root cause of community-destroying toxicity: the game itself.
I'd rather not repeat myself because that above link will do a better job of going in-depth and can be applied to a lot of games, but the baseline problem is this: games catch and ban bad apples, but do nothing to stop those bad apples from forming. Failing to realize that parts of an otherwise amazing experience are fundamentally frustrating, the focus and blame is put on the players for reacting (see above thread) in exactly the way the games are designed to make them.
Chief among these issues? Games demand teamwork, cooperation and a community voice, but do nothing to facilitate them. Games that are designed to be fun casually will be frustrating competitively - and vice versa. Toxic communities will not form where every style of play is catered to, which is sometimes balance, but often a fundamental disconnect between what the game was built for, what's actually promised, and what the player's trying to get out of it.
So, I'd rather send the discussion in the other direction, which is why I posted this here. Rather than blame the community, it's time to look for solutions from the actual people responsible.
(To be clear: yes, there are assholes in the world, and yes, they play games. But the idea that the culture has only just now soured to a patch of racism and misogyny is laughable to anyone who grew up playing Xbox Live. It's been blown completely out of proportion by a fundamental discontent with games themselves, like further kindling on a fire, driven mostly by competitive culture.)
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Moderators of r/Games have closed the sub for the day and posted a serious message about harassment in the community.
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Her son died. And then anti-vaxers attacked her.
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Online activists are silencing us, scientists say
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YouTuber threatens Google, travels cross country to confront them, gets arrested in Mountain View
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Players who hate Overwatch's Brigitte are harassing her voice actress
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Harassment, transphobia, and racism: A look inside Blind's anonymous chatting forum for Google employees
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Conventions and beyond: Protecting our community from predators
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Facebook manager Sophia Alpert exits, says she was 'harassed' for pro-diversity views
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A slashed tire, a pointed gun, bullies on the road: Why do Waymo self-driving vans get so much hate?
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Bethesda bans Fallout 76 players for life after shocking in-game homophobic attack
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When Asian women are harassed for marrying non-Asian men
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It started as an online gaming prank. Then it turned deadly - the story of the "swatting" that killed Andrew Finch
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Google reveals it has sacked forty-eight employees over sexual harassment over the past two years
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How Google protected Andy Rubin, the ‘father of Android’
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Tucker Carlson says he can't go to restaurants anymore
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“There are no girls on the internet”
“There are no girls on the internet” is one of the “rules of the internet” of the olden times. It was a tongue-in-cheek saying that meant two things. The first interpretation is that women don’t...
“There are no girls on the internet” is one of the “rules of the internet” of the olden times. It was a tongue-in-cheek saying that meant two things. The first interpretation is that women don’t hang out on online forums because only loser guys do that. This obviously wasn’t totally true, but it felt true because of the second interpretation: gender doesn’t really exist on the internet, or at least it didn’t back then. Someone posting on IRC or 4Chan could be male, female, black, white, or any combination or race or gender, but you wouldn’t know that. Your post just existed in a void, completely separate from your social identity. While sexism and racism existed, someone wouldn’t be discriminated against on those grounds, because on the internet there are no girls. Only people.
People who brought up their gender were accused of being attention seekers who couldn’t get by on their own merits. This was probably just a shitty excuse to justify harassment (ie tits or gtfo), but there might have been some truth to the idea that your gender and race have no effect on the legitimacy of your opinion.
Today on the internet, a the “rule” “there are no girls on the internet” is completely done away with. Not only is the social makeup of the internet much more diverse today, all of the major networking sites have profiles on which you can proudly display your gender, race, sexuality, etc.
I only just now came to realize this difference as I was reading some threads that posted statements like “as a gay man” or “as a girl who...”. These kinds of statements used to attract ridicule, but are now accepted as the norm.
I’m not sure if this is an improvement or not. I do think it’s an improvement that harassment is no longer tolerated, but I struggle with the concept that it’s okay to that someone’s race/gender/etc can legitimize a claim, but it is not okay to think that it could deligitimize someone’s claim.
Again, I want to add a disclaimer that I do not think it is or ever was good to harass people, or to discriminate based on identity. I just want to start a conversation about how the internet has changed in this respect, and whether or not online discourse has been hurt by this change.
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Workplace sex harassment inquiry launched
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Abuse of power: The truth about sexual harassment in Westminster
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'Shocking' level of sexual harassment at music festivals
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Star Wars actress Kelly Marie Tran deletes Instagram posts after abuse
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Arizona woman accused of sending 65,000 text messages after first date with man she met online
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