I can't speak for the whole community, but I love an emoji here and there. In casual chat, I way prefer them to sarcasm tags, or having to expand your text so that it's unwieldly. One thing I've...
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I can't speak for the whole community, but I love an emoji here and there. In casual chat, I way prefer them to sarcasm tags, or having to expand your text so that it's unwieldly.
One thing I've noticed on Tildes is a fair bit of misunderstanding, I think because people put so much time and effort into their thoughts. Two people agree, but because everything is written up in studied prose, someone making a silly joke or having a laugh can be misinterpreted. Comments can be a bit stuffy and impenetrable, and light-hearted meaning can be lost, especially for non-native English speakers
Emojis are great at conveying quick nuance to make things a bit clearer for everyone. I've found I'm using emojis more and more at work to communicate to young staff that I'm not mad at them, cause a formally punctuated Teams message will often read as someone being pissed off. I use them a ton at work when I'm chatting with people in other countries, as they are a good cross-cultural way of conveying meaning without using my nation's weird idioms
Just want to speak to the emoji use in Teams. I am a connoisseur of gifs and emoji for casual Teams usage. Because being a woman in particular seems to mean that everything must have a precise...
Just want to speak to the emoji use in Teams. I am a connoisseur of gifs and emoji for casual Teams usage.
Because being a woman in particular seems to mean that everything must have a precise amount of perky tone or you're being a huge bitch. So ❗ and 😃 abound even in email so that no one thinks I'm being a jerk.
I have also had to explain to people my age and older that the following texts have incredibly different tones to their younger colleagues.
Oh yes. I've also been told I sound unfriendly and formal because I type in complete sentences with proper spelling. It sounds like we're from the same era. The era where any basic grammatical...
Oh yes. I've also been told I sound unfriendly and formal because I type in complete sentences with proper spelling.
It sounds like we're from the same era. The era where any basic grammatical mistake means your argument in some chatroom gets thrown out the window. They'll just focus on your terrible grammar instead.
I'm an elder millennial who learned L33T and decided I'd never say u instead of you. So yeah probably 😅 A lot of teamspeak/Vent/WoW typing and chatting as well.
I'm an elder millennial who learned L33T and decided I'd never say u instead of you. So yeah probably 😅
A lot of teamspeak/Vent/WoW typing and chatting as well.
I'm still trying to unlearn the double space after a full stop. It's proving hard, I was taught to type back in the 90s and I suspect I was amongst the last to get this lesson.
I'm still trying to unlearn the double space after a full stop. It's proving hard, I was taught to type back in the 90s and I suspect I was amongst the last to get this lesson.
I learned on a home typing game for our windows 3.0 but was formally tauhht on our Apple IIs at school so yeah I feel you. I think I've broken myself if the habit, but Microsoft Word's grammar...
I learned on a home typing game for our windows 3.0 but was formally tauhht on our Apple IIs at school so yeah I feel you.
I think I've broken myself if the habit, but Microsoft Word's grammar check disagrees. I think it's adding those spaces. I blame Clippy
I never once used a typewriter, I was taught to do it. I guess maybe the small part of the 'IT' curriculum was never updated? not sure but people stopped using typewriters in the 80s, how that was...
I never once used a typewriter, I was taught to do it.
I guess maybe the small part of the 'IT' curriculum was never updated? not sure but people stopped using typewriters in the 80s, how that was still being taught in the mid 90s is beyond me.
Ditto. I have never used a typewriter either, but was taught double-space after full stop in a computer based typing class in elementary school. And I still do it out of pure habit, since it was...
Ditto. I have never used a typewriter either, but was taught double-space after full stop in a computer based typing class in elementary school. And I still do it out of pure habit, since it was drilled into us so hard. Every instance where we failed to double-space in a project paper got a big red circle and -1 mark on it. And it wasn't just the typing class where that punishment happened either. :/
Fair, I suppose... but I also feel like that should work the other way around. Like, if younger people are joining the work force, they should also be aware that their typing style amongst peers...
I have also had to explain to people my age and older that the following texts have incredibly different tones to their younger colleagues.
Ok
Ok.
Fair, I suppose... but I also feel like that should work the other way around. Like, if younger people are joining the work force, they should also be aware that their typing style amongst peers isn't the status quo in a lot of work environments.
Although I think a lot of it isn't a generational thing but just generally age. When I first started my real grown up jobs after college I also didn't know what to expect exactly. I did however have a ton of experience with crappy side jobs during high school and college. The sort of jobs that underpaid and had typically crappy management and the sort of communication that goes with those.
So when I joined the actual work force, I couldn't help and be afraid that there was always a catch when someone wrote something to me. So I also tended to overly analyze mails I got to figure out the intent behind them.
Things got a lot less stressful when I realized most people put very little effort in their communication. Which allowed me to focus on the content of what was written. And these days, even if there is extra intend behind the way things are written I am able to just ignore it and leave it the problem of the person on the other side of the line.
More simply put, if it comes down to me noticing a tiny bit of punctuation there is a bigger issue with the clarity of the message to begin with.
Well to clarify, when I was in college the period/full stop didn't mean the same difference. I'm not actually prescribing a particular form of communication so much as informing others how what...
Well to clarify, when I was in college the period/full stop didn't mean the same difference. I'm not actually prescribing a particular form of communication so much as informing others how what they think they are communicating isn't the same thing as what they are.
I don't think that's inherently age vs generation, Gen Z is just the current college students/new workforce. And generation is just a shorthand for age, that isn't so granular.
I envy you a workforce where no one is putting effort into their communication, as I excessively overwrite to avoid being read as too harsh, because I'd like to get a promotion some day and not piss off my colleagues who are mostly younger than me.
Younger people will learn, but older* people need to too or we aren't going to communicate well and it'd be nice to learn the lessons of generations before us and not tell people to confirm to our methods.
*I'm an elder millennial often explaining this stuff to my peers or Gen Xers.
My experiences mirror your own. I'm 44 so whatever generation that puts me at. I was online early when I was 14/15 so grew up doing the majority of my talking through chat (not a lot of irl...
My experiences mirror your own. I'm 44 so whatever generation that puts me at. I was online early when I was 14/15 so grew up doing the majority of my talking through chat (not a lot of irl friends growing up). People my age and up that weren't chatting a lot over text just have a very aggressive cadence. I had a coworker who I'd describe as meek a polite as can be who's typing came across extremely aggressive and commanding because the formality of every sentence and tone she picked. My wife and her family also text in email format rather than chatting, a difference I have a hard time explaining to her.
But I do notice how my work teams chat flows with people that chat online vs people who didn't. But the the thing I notice is that people gradually shift to better chatting mannerisms naturally over time. I don't think it's a set of hard rules, it's just leaning to express yourself with the limited tools you have to convey feelings.
The only tools we have are caps, punctuation, emojis, and cadence. Using those we can convey how we feel with how we are sending our messages and people tend to pick up on thst. Granted I typically can also tell when someone is not a comfortable chatter and can shift my understanding of their meanings knowing they arent going to use all the tools at their disposal, I can liken it to someone struggling to speak a native language honestly.
I think your comparison is apt. It is like learning, if not a full new language, a particularly dense dialect and both the most formal and the most casual will shift to meet office culture (or...
I think your comparison is apt. It is like learning, if not a full new language, a particularly dense dialect and both the most formal and the most casual will shift to meet office culture (or Tildes culture, etc)
The lines are always blurry around the edges of generations, we don't all have the same opportunities and experiences. Xellenial is a "micro generation" and usually doesn't show up on the list,...
The lines are always blurry around the edges of generations, we don't all have the same opportunities and experiences.
Xellenial is a "micro generation" and usually doesn't show up on the list, possibly because there are so few of us. We have shared experiences with both Gen X and Millennials, but don't completely relate to either.
Xennials are folks who saw a rapid leap in technology from analog to digital as children. We used landlines and had access to computers in the classroom. Bill Gates technically falls under this definition even though he's at the other edge of Gen X by age.
I played Math Muncher, Carmen Sandiego, and Oregon Trail on an Apple IIe in elementary school. I used an IBM Selectric III (a typewriter that can erase) in my typing classes, then used Hypercard or Macromedia Director on a Macintosh to create book reports.
Other names I've seen used are the Oregon Trail generation, the Star Wars generation, My So-Called generation, Bridges, and Generation Catalano.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ What? No. Not at all. I've gotten more confident in not moderating a lot of the time, but for a group email to a larger population I still default to the vibe "Hey folks! Just a few...
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What? No. Not at all.
I've gotten more confident in not moderating a lot of the time, but for a group email to a larger population I still default to the vibe
"Hey folks!
Just a few reminders for everyone as we finish out this week! ..."
I do try to write and then edit a few out on the tail end.
It does. It makes me feel like I get less done overall because I spend time on this. Maybe I'll use my initials to sign off on emails at my next job if the company is big enough that I don't know...
It does. It makes me feel like I get less done overall because I spend time on this.
Maybe I'll use my initials to sign off on emails at my next job if the company is big enough that I don't know everyone.
I remember making a very intentional change to my writing tone in the early 2000's. I got feedback from several people that I seemed angry all the time. I started paying closer attention to emails...
I remember making a very intentional change to my writing tone in the early 2000's.
I got feedback from several people that I seemed angry all the time. I started paying closer attention to emails I'd gotten which served unquestionably cheerful and noticed that this only came across from women who used at least a couple of exclamation marks, particularly in the greeting. I got better feedback after I started doing this, but it annoyed me a lot that I needed to.
I made two other intentional changes. The first was to stop saying the word "just" (in reference to a task, not justice). I haven't quite managed to get rid of it when speaking, but it no longer appears in my emails or chats.
Another change happened when I started working with ESL coworkers who had never been to an English speaking country. I specifically remember a conversation with one about an email he'd gotten that ended with, "I'd hate to have to take this to <an upper level manager>". My coworker thought this email meant he had additional time to complete his task. So now I focus on clarity.
I absolutely use emojis in work chats, this helps with clarity.
Theres a feedback loop effect on the "use emojis and exclamation marks so you don't sound aggressive" experience where after enough time of practicing it you interpret other women in that same...
Theres a feedback loop effect on the "use emojis and exclamation marks so you don't sound aggressive" experience where after enough time of practicing it you interpret other women in that same aggressive way.
I actually just had to advise one of my supervisees that a person from another functional unit was in fact not being passive aggressive or harsh, she was actually softening her tone quite a bit, she just also didn't use emojis or anything. But for her it was very thoughtful and helpful. (The person tends to be very direct but not aggressive).
Supervisee doesn't know this person as well, and despite being several levels removed in the hierarchy wanted to email a response about the tone and I suggested otherwise. I think she listened but she's leaving the role soon so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also my Google keyboard has all the text emoticons I could want and I love it but hadn't used it til now
How did you do that? I only see the cartoon emojis on my Gboard, maybe the text emojis could make me hate it less. The issue I have is the opposite, not taking someone seriously if they go over...
How did you do that? I only see the cartoon emojis on my Gboard, maybe the text emojis could make me hate it less.
The issue I have is the opposite, not taking someone seriously if they go over the top with exclamation points or ellipsis. I know perfectly well that A has nothing to do with B, so I try to stay conscious about it.
That used to only happen with people who dotted their i's with little hearts.
When you click the emoji button at the bottom (next to the spacebar), there are emoji options for the regular emojis, a bitmoji, stickers search,.gif search and then emoticons of all sorts U^ェ^U
When you click the emoji button at the bottom (next to the spacebar), there are emoji options for the regular emojis, a bitmoji, stickers search,.gif search and then emoticons of all sorts
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I have gone over a decade thinking his hat was a ponytail, and that I had missed some major cultural touchstone. Christ, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks.
I have gone over a decade thinking his hat was a ponytail, and that I had missed some major cultural touchstone. Christ, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks.
I had no clue! Thankfully there's only really one pop culture icon which can be confused with Yoshi, but that honestly made it weirder. The mustache was a weird ruffled or lace collar, so I went...
I had no clue! Thankfully there's only really one pop culture icon which can be confused with Yoshi, but that honestly made it weirder. The mustache was a weird ruffled or lace collar, so I went through "Peach? No, maybe Daisy? But why is this a thing? Has Daisy ever rode Yoshi?" I was very perplexed, and basically assumed the rider was a caricature of some internet celebrity or a JRPG character I was unaware of.
Tildes is not anti emoji. I use them in comments quite a bit. But I wouldn't put one on a title. I assume that is very much Tildes' stance on the matter. I prefer text emoji and even have the...
Tildes is not anti emoji.
I use them in comments quite a bit. But I wouldn't put one on a title. I assume that is very much Tildes' stance on the matter.
I prefer text emoji and even have the shrug on text expansion in the computer. If I'm on the cell, I use the image ones sometimes.
And yeah I don't really know the difference between smiley, emoji, emoticon, or whatever :P
I find this format incredibly frustrating as I've consistently reversed it and it's very difficult on mobile especially if I want to copy an article title. And due to that everyone is just getting...
I find this format incredibly frustrating as I've consistently reversed it and it's very difficult on mobile especially if I want to copy an article title.
And due to that everyone is just getting links from me for the right now which is fine too.
Well, Reddit also uses Markdown, so you would have to type exactly the same thing over there. The Ctrl+k hotkey for adding links is only available as part of the Reddit Enhancement Suite. This is...
Well, Reddit also uses Markdown, so you would have to type exactly the same thing over there. The Ctrl+k hotkey for adding links is only available as part of the Reddit Enhancement Suite. This is on old.reddit, I don't use New Reddit.
Oh, well, if Reddit uses it... No but really, what Reddit did different was not pop the formatting help into a new window/tab which meant I could reference it without swapping back and forth and...
Oh, well, if Reddit uses it...
No but really, what Reddit did different was not pop the formatting help into a new window/tab which meant I could reference it without swapping back and forth and immediately forgetting and reversing it, or, having my page refresh as I copied both headline and link.
I also didn't really post cited links to Reddit that often. And when I did they probably were raw links. I'm nearly exclusively on Tildes on mobile and between my brain refusing to remember the brackets vs parentheses, and the order of their contents, people get links. (Three cheers is lovely but last check I can't see notifications or react to posts so I'm mobile Firefox and not fussing with three work around to get extensions past ublock)
As I said, this is fine, the world doesn't need to change for me, people just get links. (This was not a "please solve my problem" just a "this is an annoyance")
Markdown is ubiquitous these days, so you may find that syntax useful elsewhere. Text in brackets, URL in parenthesis. [Text](URL). GPT helped me create a little verse to help you remember: Text...
Markdown is ubiquitous these days, so you may find that syntax useful elsewhere.
Text in brackets, URL in parenthesis. [Text](URL).
GPT helped me create a little verse to help you remember:
Text in square, URL in round,
Markdown links, easy and sound!
... ... Had I heard this randomly it might never leave my brain. Because you've told it to me, I'll probably forget it in a few minutes. ಠ︵ಠ Genuinely though, It might be ubiquitous but, where? I...
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Had I heard this randomly it might never leave my brain. Because you've told it to me, I'll probably forget it in a few minutes.
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Genuinely though, It might be ubiquitous but, where? I post here, bluesky and Facebook because my rl friends are still there.
Most places render a preview link and I delete the ugly link, or I just edit the junk out of the link as best I can. When I still read Reddit I'm not posting links often if at all at this point.
Of those, in the first link I use Discord and Teams. Teams respects ctrl+shortcuts and has a text formatting toolbar, Discord has other formatting, but frankly can we bring the double bars =...
Of those, in the first link I use Discord and Teams. Teams respects ctrl+shortcuts and has a text formatting toolbar, Discord has other formatting, but frankly can we bring the double bars = spoilers here? It's so much easier.
While support might be "ubiquitous" (though I have not heard of the vast majority of these tools personally, so perhaps common is a better term), I don't know if only supporting markdown is ubiquitous, or if they just also support markdown.
In short, I just hate how markdown handles links as it's obnoxious. This post is literally the second one I've written on a computer, and while said formatting is easier here, the link format is still obnoxious IMO.
Some days I feel like everyone on here is a programmer but me. I know that's not true, but it's a real vibe. Especially after reading that list.
You might be interested in the Tildes ReExtended browser extension. It makes using the markdown here much easier/faster. E.g. I can just click 'Link' above the comment box to drop the []()...
You might be interested in the Tildes ReExtended browser extension. It makes using the markdown here much easier/faster.
E.g. I can just click 'Link' above the comment box to drop the []() characters into it.
As noted, I mostly use Firefox on mobile, and IIRC, you have to jump through some hoops to install that on mobile. It's all good. I will manage. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I truly didn't want solutions, just felt...
As noted, I mostly use Firefox on mobile, and IIRC, you have to jump through some hoops to install that on mobile. It's all good. I will manage. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I truly didn't want solutions, just felt like expressing mild annoyance which is evenly split between Markdown and my brain's refusal to remember the correct format.
Fun tip for windows: "CTRL + ." (period). 😉 and my interpretatino is that emoticons are emoji only based on text. so a smiley would be an emoticon. One that many apps or mobile keywords will...
Fun tip for windows: "CTRL + ." (period). 😉
and my interpretatino is that emoticons are emoji only based on text. so a smiley would be an emoticon. One that many apps or mobile keywords will convert to an emoji for you.
I think the dislike for emojis really stemmed from people that were railing against others that were (probably) very young. There's this style.. xD of writing lmao xD that just feels young and...
I think the dislike for emojis really stemmed from people that were railing against others that were (probably) very young.
There's this style.. xD of writing lmao xD that just feels young and just random hahaha..xD
I don't think people dislike a smiley (yeah I still call them smileys) if it's used as a way to convey tone. Just don't overdo it because it distracts ;)
Like you say, I think it's more the rampant overuse that grates rather than the age of the user. I've noticed that other than The Youth, older if not elderly people are major abusers of the emoji....
Like you say, I think it's more the rampant overuse that grates rather than the age of the user. I've noticed that other than The Youth, older if not elderly people are major abusers of the emoji. They 👵 seem to use 💪 it more as an unnecessary 🙄 decoration 🎊 for their message 💬 rather than replacing whole words 📃 like the kids 🧒 do.
That is absolutely it—boomers absolutely never would have gone to the trouble of including emojis if their iPhones didn’t pop them up right over the keyboard. So it’s a lack of intentionality—same...
That is absolutely it—boomers absolutely never would have gone to the trouble of including emojis if their iPhones didn’t pop them up right over the keyboard. So it’s a lack of intentionality—same reason I would rather get absolutely no reply than a canned recommended Gmail response message, Barbara.
TBF, if my email client received that response and figured "that's obviously canned, therefore I understand exactly what the author selected out of a few options. Barbara has approved OP's...
same reason I would rather get absolutely no reply than a canned recommended Gmail response message, Barbara
TBF, if my email client received that response and figured "that's obviously canned, therefore I understand exactly what the author selected out of a few options. Barbara has approved OP's suggested plan of action. Let me delete OP's calendar reminder to follow up with her." I'd not be mad.
Frankly, I'd hazard the guess that in a few years, when LLMs have stopped being so forgetful and unreliable about really preventable stuff, we'll see AI assistants like that. If we monkey-patch them onto existing email and calendar infrastructure, actually looking at your email inbox would be interesting. All the mails your AI assistant sent to other AI assistants about coordinating basic stuff. All of it in unimaginative, canned, but still human-readable language.
Google with Gmail/Calendar/Meetings etc is already working on similar stuff, they're not at THAT level yet but as a Google Workspace user/admin at work, they are definitely leaning towards that...
Google with Gmail/Calendar/Meetings etc is already working on similar stuff, they're not at THAT level yet but as a Google Workspace user/admin at work, they are definitely leaning towards that direction.
They have a chat bot, where for instance a group chat for a department of employees could ask the bot to schedule a meeting, and it would propose a time based on all chat members calendars and their individual schedules.
They recently added something to Gmail which looks up tracking numbers and puts the ETA of your package right under the header of emails containing tracking numbers so it's easier to see.
They have also introduced a new paid add-on called Duet AI which is where most of their more modern LLM stuff is being used.
I started with Usenet (and BBSs) and have never added noses to my emoticons, since the versions with noses have always creeped me out for some reason. :-P = gross! :P
I started with Usenet (and BBSs) and have never added noses to my emoticons, since the versions with noses have always creeped me out for some reason. :-P = gross! :P
adding a caret nose makes it very cheeky, that's my favorite usage. it's almost taunting in a way, i used to use it more when playing games online. :^)
adding a caret nose makes it very cheeky, that's my favorite usage. it's almost taunting in a way, i used to use it more when playing games online. :^)
I never use emojis anywhere and just use text smileys -- my most used ones being xD, xd, and :'| all of which convey much more emotion in my opinion then any artwork drawn by google or apple...
I never use emojis anywhere and just use text smileys -- my most used ones being xD, xd, and :'| all of which convey much more emotion in my opinion then any artwork drawn by google or apple artists. I'm optimistic the tildes community is onboard with these, like everyone was in the early days of the internet.
🧐 is the exception for me, I don’t remember there being a text smiley that could capture that feeling haha. Maybe “no comment” was the best equivalent.
🧐 is the exception for me, I don’t remember there being a text smiley that could capture that feeling haha. Maybe “no comment” was the best equivalent.
Microsoft Teams used to have a great animated emoji face similar to that, but they got rid of it because it was non-standard and now :S - which was its shortcut - just shows a bog-standard sad...
Microsoft Teams used to have a great animated emoji face similar to that, but they got rid of it because it was non-standard and now :S - which was its shortcut - just shows a bog-standard sad face. It was a "panicked look of worry", and my go-to reaction to most things.
Tildes doesn't handle clientside rendering like that, in this case it's your browser that does. So if you can't see that emoji then you probably don't have a browser or font installed that fully...
Tildes doesn't handle clientside rendering like that, in this case it's your browser that does. So if you can't see that emoji then you probably don't have a browser or font installed that fully adheres to Unicode 10.0, which is the version where that particular emoji (U+1F9D0) was implemented.
p.s. Unicode is up to version 15.1 now, so if you don't have a browser or font installed that even supports 10.0 yet you're likely missing a lot of characters and text rendering/encoding features. E.g. No Cuneiform for you! 𒈬:P
Thanks for the technical details. Interestingly I can see the cuneiform here. I'm on Firefox Nightly on Android so I'm quite stumped as to why I can't see the emoji on the parent post.
Thanks for the technical details. Interestingly I can see the cuneiform here. I'm on Firefox Nightly on Android so I'm quite stumped as to why I can't see the emoji on the parent post.
Ah, if you're talking about mobile then it gets even more complicated. Desktop OSs (and iOS) usually remain up-to-date with the Unicode standard, but Android phones' Unicode support can vary...
Ah, if you're talking about mobile then it gets even more complicated. Desktop OSs (and iOS) usually remain up-to-date with the Unicode standard, but Android phones' Unicode support can vary greatly by make/model. You should still be able to manually install some newer fonts on your phone that fully support the modern Unicode emoji block, if you're so inclined. How to go about that would depend on your particular phone make/model though.
From some quick googling, it sounds like Samsung does it's own thing when it comes to emojis, which diverges from the default Android setup. And they're also apparently particularly bad at...
From some quick googling, it sounds like Samsung does it's own thing when it comes to emojis, which diverges from the default Android setup. And they're also apparently particularly bad at supporting all the latest emojis: https://blog.emojipedia.org/samsung-one-ui-6-0-emoji-changelog/
Prior to the release of One UI 6.0, the most notable update to the Samsung emoji set occurred in February 2018 with the release of Experience 9.0
Prior to 2022, Samsung users were often left waiting up to a year before Unicode recommendations would be implemented within their device's native emoji design set.
And I guess they still don't support U+1F9D0 (FACE WITH MONOCLE), for some unknown reason, despite that being an emoji from Unicode 10.0 released in 2017.
TBH, you're probably not missing out on much. I was mostly being snarky with my comment about you not being able to see the new Cuneiform characters... even though you actually could, since...
TBH, you're probably not missing out on much. I was mostly being snarky with my comment about you not being able to see the new Cuneiform characters... even though you actually could, since apparently Samsung values those more than supporting all the latest emojis. ;)
But personally, that kinda thing would probably annoy the shit out of me, so I would probably try to fix it if I had a Samsung phone. It would largely depend on how difficult it is to install new fonts on the phone, and how frequently I came across unsupported characters though.
Yup, this is the first instance of any unrendered character I've come across. My gboard supports me entering this emoji but I can't get to display it anywhere. But thanks Samsung, never expected...
Yup, this is the first instance of any unrendered character I've come across. My gboard supports me entering this emoji but I can't get to display it anywhere. But thanks Samsung, never expected that this could even be a possibility :'|
Not surprising. Gboard is an actual google product, and so they probably assume your Android phone will support all the default Android emojis, hence that emoji's appearance there. The emojis...
Not surprising. Gboard is an actual google product, and so they probably assume your Android phone will support all the default Android emojis, hence that emoji's appearance there. The emojis being displayed in gboard are likely just SVG images though, and not actually part of any font installed on your phone. And since Samsung doesn't actually support the same emoji set as default Android, that emoji is not displaying properly for you anywhere else other than the keyboard app. :/
Chatting about Adobe XD to people who are not familiar with the program can get quite confusing. When I realise they've gotten confused, I have to tell them that's the program name and it's not a...
Chatting about Adobe XD to people who are not familiar with the program can get quite confusing. When I realise they've gotten confused, I have to tell them that's the program name and it's not a smiley.
This has a strong "Back in my day" tone to it. I used to feel persnickety about emoji, then I realized it's just because it wasn't what I grew up with. I think they add great flare to some messages.
This has a strong "Back in my day" tone to it. I used to feel persnickety about emoji, then I realized it's just because it wasn't what I grew up with. I think they add great flare to some messages.
I’m completely lost by the comments saying that Tildes doesn’t support rendering emoji. Emoji are encoded as text so you can’t really remove support for it short of filtering them out in the...
I’m completely lost by the comments saying that Tildes doesn’t support rendering emoji. Emoji are encoded as text so you can’t really remove support for it short of filtering them out in the processing stage. I wonder if they are running on Linux systems that don’t have good emoji support?
It's pretty much solely whether you have a suitable font installed. I'm fairly certain Ubuntu and its derivatives come with Noto Color Emoji installed. Not sure whether Windows has a good emoji...
It's pretty much solely whether you have a suitable font installed. I'm fairly certain Ubuntu and its derivatives come with Noto Color Emoji installed. Not sure whether Windows has a good emoji font out of the box though, I switched too long ago.
Personally I miss the days of Something Awful and all their custom smilies. People would tell stories and assign each character to a symbol. Made reading a transcript of what was said more fun.
Personally I miss the days of Something Awful and all their custom smilies. People would tell stories and assign each character to a symbol. Made reading a transcript of what was said more fun.
I think everyone performatively hated emojis 7+ years ago (I know I did), since then pretending to care about it one way or the other has become less and less popular. In the communities I was...
I think everyone performatively hated emojis 7+ years ago (I know I did), since then pretending to care about it one way or the other has become less and less popular.
In the communities I was part of all that time ago it wasn't really about emojis themselves, it was because other people did like emojis. In part it was contrarian and in part it was an excuse to bully people.
Personally I prefer text emojis as they're easier for me to see. I have astigmatism and emoji details can be too small to read sometimes and I have to squint. I ended up customizing my phone...
Personally I prefer text emojis as they're easier for me to see. I have astigmatism and emoji details can be too small to read sometimes and I have to squint. I ended up customizing my phone keyboard to have these characters for easy access: ∇๐ω⌒∪^●¬-_~=<>:|;/
I don't use them as much as I thought I would, but sometimes they help. I'm glad they're there because I get to make unique faces like:
⌒_⌒
¬⌒¬
๐ω๐
∪⌒∪
^∇^
●๐●
'ω'
@¬@
Sometimes I find what I'm saying needs an unspoken "disclaimer" of sorts. Because it be misconstrued as hostile. One of those silly faces pacifies my words, and also helps people see the human behind the screen, imo.
I use Keys Cafe's customized keyboard from Samsung for Android. I've yet to figure out how to properly give myself 3 distinctly different keyboards though, as the 3rd copies part of the 2nd. Edit:...
I use Keys Cafe's customized keyboard from Samsung for Android. I've yet to figure out how to properly give myself 3 distinctly different keyboards though, as the 3rd copies part of the 2nd.
Edit: nvm just figured out how to properly make a 3rd keyboard. You have to select the button to change and just tap what you want to switch it to, instead of swapping it by dragging. The key has to come from the same category though for some reason.
I like emoticons and emojis because they help me convey tone in a way that I struggle with through words. Writing things out is awkward and I can't always take, say, happiness and put it into text...
I like emoticons and emojis because they help me convey tone in a way that I struggle with through words. Writing things out is awkward and I can't always take, say, happiness and put it into text in a way that's satisfying.
That said, I have an entirely different writing style in forum environments, and I feel that because there's more time and effort put into each post it's less stressful to find the right phrasing.
I use them so much in my daily communications, but I do feel a bit awkward using them here in Tildes just because I hardly see anyone doing so. But I remind myself that Tildes isn't anti-emoji,...
I use them so much in my daily communications, but I do feel a bit awkward using them here in Tildes just because I hardly see anyone doing so. But I remind myself that Tildes isn't anti-emoji, it's anti-assholes 😁
There's nothing against emoji's as a concept on Tildes. But the general sentiment of Tildes is that you want each comment to be meaningful, and emojis tend to be a sign of noise more than a...
There's nothing against emoji's as a concept on Tildes. But the general sentiment of Tildes is that you want each comment to be meaningful, and emojis tend to be a sign of noise more than a contribution to a discussion. I often use emojis on Discord to "react" to content, but you want to avoid "reacting" on Tildes. That's what the vote button is for, or even the exemplary label if it is a truly insightful contribution.
When it's so easy to read your own tone into text, emoticons and emojis help get the writer's intended tone across. As to why Reddit/some parts of the web had a frothing hate for emoticons?...
When it's so easy to read your own tone into text, emoticons and emojis help get the writer's intended tone across. As to why Reddit/some parts of the web had a frothing hate for emoticons? Because people also used them to be frivolous and silly when communicating, and we can only be serious on the Internet at all times. :eyeroll:
In short, I dig 'em for both reasons. You'll pry the "XD" emote out of my cold, dead hands.
EDIT to actually answer the question put forth:
Is Tildes anti-smileys / emotions?
I don't think so; we just use them sparingly, possibly due to leaning toward more serious tones.
Emoji, emoticons, and the like are textual replacements for the gestures and body language present in casual in-person conversations. For me, the emphasis there is on “casual”. The less casual a...
Emoji, emoticons, and the like are textual replacements for the gestures and body language present in casual in-person conversations. For me, the emphasis there is on “casual”.
The less casual a conversation is, the less likely I am to use emoji. I routinely use them in text messages and chat environments (Matrix, Discord, Slack, etc.) The more formally I view an environment, the less likely I am to use them. On top of that, I have a slightly-more-formal-than-necessary persona in many online spaces. I'm not sure why, but it's been part of my communication practices since I first went online in the 1990s.
I view Tildes as a platform for semi-casual conversations, on par, perhaps, with Usenet or the listserves of a couple decades ago. The casual aspect means that emoji are acceptable as a means of conveying information. On the other hand, the non-immediate dialog brings a bit more formality into it. Since I have time to compose my responses, I'm more inclined to try to write in a way that expresses my emotions without emoji, drawing more on conventions and practices of more formal writing.
It's likely that many other people here are in a similar situation. The greater the degree to which Tildes is seen as a place for formal writing, the less of an inclination people will have to use markers of casual conversation like emoji.
(Side note: there's a fascinating book about online writing habits called Because Internet by Gretchen McCulloch. There's an entire chapter about emoji, which, among other things, links emoji to in-person gestures.)
I think the reddit issue with them is a holdover from when the Unicode/graphical emojis were new and not supported in all browsers or devices. Suddenly entire responses were either a string of...
I think the reddit issue with them is a holdover from when the Unicode/graphical emojis were new and not supported in all browsers or devices. Suddenly entire responses were either a string of unreadable characters or emojis, depending on your device.
Every time someone calls an emoticon "text emoji" I age ten years ;) I have previously used them on tildes - I'm too set in my ways after having spent 20 years of my life as an IRC user - but I...
Every time someone calls an emoticon "text emoji" I age ten years ;)
I have previously used them on tildes - I'm too set in my ways after having spent 20 years of my life as an IRC user - but I use them sparingly.
Emoji are (these days) unicode characters defined (I believe) by their semantic meaning or layout; they can look different from font to font. It's useful to have the ability to use such characters in text under certain circumstances. I remember, was it a South Park episode? in which people could be fingerprinted by their emoji use patterns, and I thought it was interesting at the time because that strikes me as extremely plausible. It's similar to how AI is increasingly capable of fingerprinting an individual by their prose; both are the same because both are carrying the contents of the message. In that way, emoji are a useful medium for communicating meaning.
As I'm not a visual person, to me at least it's much easier to parse a message written using actual words rather than an excessive amount of emoji, so I always hope people don't choose to overuse them.
I'm old (kinda), I come from times when SMS were paid for and not really cheap. Phones used character LCDs back then. If you wanted to show emotion, you had to use standard ASCII, that means...
I'm old (kinda), I come from times when SMS were paid for and not really cheap. Phones used character LCDs back then. If you wanted to show emotion, you had to use standard ASCII, that means emojis like this one :-)
When graphical emojis came to life, there were priblens with character sets, so sometime I saw blank rectangles instead of emojis. Or I didn't see anything at all and was cinfused what the sentence should mean.
Nowadays emojis are wildly spread and there are no problems with displaying them. Yet dues to historical reasons/problems, I don't use them that much. That said, I use them only when I'm intant messaging, I don't use them even in emails or in forums (I make rare exceptions).
So this is why you won't see me that much tossing emojis around. I'm not anti-emoji, I just don't use them much. I think that colon, dash and closing bracket can show the same :-)
Oh, God. I totally forgot about how we used to have to pay per text message... and later, plans would often come with a "free" # of texts/month (100 or so, typically). I do not miss those days. I...
Oh, God. I totally forgot about how we used to have to pay per text message... and later, plans would often come with a "free" # of texts/month (100 or so, typically). I do not miss those days.
I kinda miss pagers though, weirdly. It let me stay in touch with people, but answer them back at my leisure. Whereas the expectation nowadays is that if you don't respond to a text right away then you're an asshole. And I really hate how text messages show the person who sent it whether they have been received and read now too, since that just reinforces the awful expectation of an immediate response.
Never understood why people are either anti emoji or do not use them. To me they help better express an emotion to what I am trying to say (I'm quite expressive).
Never understood why people are either anti emoji or do not use them. To me they help better express an emotion to what I am trying to say (I'm quite expressive).
I can't speak for the whole community, but I love an emoji here and there. In casual chat, I way prefer them to sarcasm tags, or having to expand your text so that it's unwieldly.
One thing I've noticed on Tildes is a fair bit of misunderstanding, I think because people put so much time and effort into their thoughts. Two people agree, but because everything is written up in studied prose, someone making a silly joke or having a laugh can be misinterpreted. Comments can be a bit stuffy and impenetrable, and light-hearted meaning can be lost, especially for non-native English speakers
Emojis are great at conveying quick nuance to make things a bit clearer for everyone. I've found I'm using emojis more and more at work to communicate to young staff that I'm not mad at them, cause a formally punctuated Teams message will often read as someone being pissed off. I use them a ton at work when I'm chatting with people in other countries, as they are a good cross-cultural way of conveying meaning without using my nation's weird idioms
Emoji users of Tildes, I stand with you 🫡
Just want to speak to the emoji use in Teams. I am a connoisseur of gifs and emoji for casual Teams usage.
Because being a woman in particular seems to mean that everything must have a precise amount of perky tone or you're being a huge bitch. So ❗ and 😃 abound even in email so that no one thinks I'm being a jerk.
I have also had to explain to people my age and older that the following texts have incredibly different tones to their younger colleagues.
Ok
Ok.
I've been told that I sound really scary and unfriendly in text by my younger colleagues because I use the full stop. I had no idea.
Yeah it's a cultural difference from my era of insisting on typing in complete sentences with punctuation for sure
Oh yes. I've also been told I sound unfriendly and formal because I type in complete sentences with proper spelling.
It sounds like we're from the same era. The era where any basic grammatical mistake means your argument in some chatroom gets thrown out the window. They'll just focus on your terrible grammar instead.
I'm an elder millennial who learned L33T and decided I'd never say u instead of you. So yeah probably 😅
A lot of teamspeak/Vent/WoW typing and chatting as well.
I'm still trying to unlearn the double space after a full stop. It's proving hard, I was taught to type back in the 90s and I suspect I was amongst the last to get this lesson.
I learned on a home typing game for our windows 3.0 but was formally tauhht on our Apple IIs at school so yeah I feel you.
I think I've broken myself if the habit, but Microsoft Word's grammar check disagrees. I think it's adding those spaces. I blame Clippy
I never once used a typewriter, I was taught to do it.
I guess maybe the small part of the 'IT' curriculum was never updated? not sure but people stopped using typewriters in the 80s, how that was still being taught in the mid 90s is beyond me.
Ditto. I have never used a typewriter either, but was taught double-space after full stop in a computer based typing class in elementary school. And I still do it out of pure habit, since it was drilled into us so hard. Every instance where we failed to double-space in a project paper got a big red circle and -1 mark on it. And it wasn't just the typing class where that punishment happened either. :/
Fair, I suppose... but I also feel like that should work the other way around. Like, if younger people are joining the work force, they should also be aware that their typing style amongst peers isn't the status quo in a lot of work environments.
Although I think a lot of it isn't a generational thing but just generally age. When I first started my real grown up jobs after college I also didn't know what to expect exactly. I did however have a ton of experience with crappy side jobs during high school and college. The sort of jobs that underpaid and had typically crappy management and the sort of communication that goes with those.
So when I joined the actual work force, I couldn't help and be afraid that there was always a catch when someone wrote something to me. So I also tended to overly analyze mails I got to figure out the intent behind them.
Things got a lot less stressful when I realized most people put very little effort in their communication. Which allowed me to focus on the content of what was written. And these days, even if there is extra intend behind the way things are written I am able to just ignore it and leave it the problem of the person on the other side of the line.
More simply put, if it comes down to me noticing a tiny bit of punctuation there is a bigger issue with the clarity of the message to begin with.
Well to clarify, when I was in college the period/full stop didn't mean the same difference. I'm not actually prescribing a particular form of communication so much as informing others how what they think they are communicating isn't the same thing as what they are.
I don't think that's inherently age vs generation, Gen Z is just the current college students/new workforce. And generation is just a shorthand for age, that isn't so granular.
I envy you a workforce where no one is putting effort into their communication, as I excessively overwrite to avoid being read as too harsh, because I'd like to get a promotion some day and not piss off my colleagues who are mostly younger than me.
Younger people will learn, but older* people need to too or we aren't going to communicate well and it'd be nice to learn the lessons of generations before us and not tell people to confirm to our methods.
*I'm an elder millennial often explaining this stuff to my peers or Gen Xers.
My experiences mirror your own. I'm 44 so whatever generation that puts me at. I was online early when I was 14/15 so grew up doing the majority of my talking through chat (not a lot of irl friends growing up). People my age and up that weren't chatting a lot over text just have a very aggressive cadence. I had a coworker who I'd describe as meek a polite as can be who's typing came across extremely aggressive and commanding because the formality of every sentence and tone she picked. My wife and her family also text in email format rather than chatting, a difference I have a hard time explaining to her.
But I do notice how my work teams chat flows with people that chat online vs people who didn't. But the the thing I notice is that people gradually shift to better chatting mannerisms naturally over time. I don't think it's a set of hard rules, it's just leaning to express yourself with the limited tools you have to convey feelings.
The only tools we have are caps, punctuation, emojis, and cadence. Using those we can convey how we feel with how we are sending our messages and people tend to pick up on thst. Granted I typically can also tell when someone is not a comfortable chatter and can shift my understanding of their meanings knowing they arent going to use all the tools at their disposal, I can liken it to someone struggling to speak a native language honestly.
I think your comparison is apt. It is like learning, if not a full new language, a particularly dense dialect and both the most formal and the most casual will shift to meet office culture (or Tildes culture, etc)
The lines are always blurry around the edges of generations, we don't all have the same opportunities and experiences.
Xellenial is a "micro generation" and usually doesn't show up on the list, possibly because there are so few of us. We have shared experiences with both Gen X and Millennials, but don't completely relate to either.
Xennials are folks who saw a rapid leap in technology from analog to digital as children. We used landlines and had access to computers in the classroom. Bill Gates technically falls under this definition even though he's at the other edge of Gen X by age.
I played Math Muncher, Carmen Sandiego, and Oregon Trail on an Apple IIe in elementary school. I used an IBM Selectric III (a typewriter that can erase) in my typing classes, then used Hypercard or Macromedia Director on a Macintosh to create book reports.
Other names I've seen used are the Oregon Trail generation, the Star Wars generation, My So-Called generation, Bridges, and Generation Catalano.
I have to imagine this gets exhausting.
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What? No. Not at all.
I've gotten more confident in not moderating a lot of the time, but for a group email to a larger population I still default to the vibe
"Hey folks!
Just a few reminders for everyone as we finish out this week! ..."
I do try to write and then edit a few out on the tail end.
It does. It makes me feel like I get less done overall because I spend time on this.
Maybe I'll use my initials to sign off on emails at my next job if the company is big enough that I don't know everyone.
I remember making a very intentional change to my writing tone in the early 2000's.
I got feedback from several people that I seemed angry all the time. I started paying closer attention to emails I'd gotten which served unquestionably cheerful and noticed that this only came across from women who used at least a couple of exclamation marks, particularly in the greeting. I got better feedback after I started doing this, but it annoyed me a lot that I needed to.
I made two other intentional changes. The first was to stop saying the word "just" (in reference to a task, not justice). I haven't quite managed to get rid of it when speaking, but it no longer appears in my emails or chats.
Another change happened when I started working with ESL coworkers who had never been to an English speaking country. I specifically remember a conversation with one about an email he'd gotten that ended with, "I'd hate to have to take this to <an upper level manager>". My coworker thought this email meant he had additional time to complete his task. So now I focus on clarity.
I absolutely use emojis in work chats, this helps with clarity.
Theres a feedback loop effect on the "use emojis and exclamation marks so you don't sound aggressive" experience where after enough time of practicing it you interpret other women in that same aggressive way.
I actually just had to advise one of my supervisees that a person from another functional unit was in fact not being passive aggressive or harsh, she was actually softening her tone quite a bit, she just also didn't use emojis or anything. But for her it was very thoughtful and helpful. (The person tends to be very direct but not aggressive).
Supervisee doesn't know this person as well, and despite being several levels removed in the hierarchy wanted to email a response about the tone and I suggested otherwise. I think she listened but she's leaving the role soon so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also my Google keyboard has all the text emoticons I could want and I love it but hadn't used it til now
How did you do that? I only see the cartoon emojis on my Gboard, maybe the text emojis could make me hate it less.
The issue I have is the opposite, not taking someone seriously if they go over the top with exclamation points or ellipsis. I know perfectly well that A has nothing to do with B, so I try to stay conscious about it.
That used to only happen with people who dotted their i's with little hearts.
When you click the emoji button at the bottom (next to the spacebar), there are emoji options for the regular emojis, a bitmoji, stickers search,.gif search and then emoticons of all sorts
U^ェ^U
Wow, I can't believe I missed that O_o
Welcome to the bounty of the emoticons!
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I love it. :)
for mobile users
From github of all places
I love shitty ascii art.
Wow, that takes me back. I wonder if there is still a critical mass of people on LUE
This looks like a complete mess on mobile. What is it?
ascii Mario riding Yoshi
Thanks!
I have gone over a decade thinking his hat was a ponytail, and that I had missed some major cultural touchstone. Christ, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks.
LOL. NP. Out of curiosity, who/what did you think it was then, and what did you think the character was riding? :P
I had no clue! Thankfully there's only really one pop culture icon which can be confused with Yoshi, but that honestly made it weirder. The mustache was a weird ruffled or lace collar, so I went through "Peach? No, maybe Daisy? But why is this a thing? Has Daisy ever rode Yoshi?" I was very perplexed, and basically assumed the rider was a caricature of some internet celebrity or a JRPG character I was unaware of.
For more context, it's also an ancient meme from the private LUE board on GameFAQs. It used to be ban on sight, because GameFAQs.
Now if that ain't a blast from the past! :)
These were like every other comment on Digg back ~2007.
I like when console programs put the name of the program in an ascii image at startup. Makes it easier to tell my tabs apart.
Tildes is not anti emoji.
I use them in comments quite a bit. But I wouldn't put one on a title. I assume that is very much Tildes' stance on the matter.
I prefer text emoji and even have the shrug on text expansion in the computer. If I'm on the cell, I use the image ones sometimes.
And yeah I don't really know the difference between smiley, emoji, emoticon, or whatever :P
I do believe we are anti-URL-shortener. Use markdown.
tuck into this guide -- markdown is super handy to know.
I find this format incredibly frustrating as I've consistently reversed it and it's very difficult on mobile especially if I want to copy an article title.
And due to that everyone is just getting links from me for the right now which is fine too.
You can post the full URL. It will be linkfied.
Oh I know, but it's really ugly that way.
As I said, it's fine
Well, Reddit also uses Markdown, so you would have to type exactly the same thing over there. The
Ctrl+k
hotkey for adding links is only available as part of the Reddit Enhancement Suite. This is on old.reddit, I don't use New Reddit.Tildes has a browser extension which may have this feature (I don't use it myself). And there is also an app in the works.
Oh, well, if Reddit uses it...
No but really, what Reddit did different was not pop the formatting help into a new window/tab which meant I could reference it without swapping back and forth and immediately forgetting and reversing it, or, having my page refresh as I copied both headline and link.
I also didn't really post cited links to Reddit that often. And when I did they probably were raw links. I'm nearly exclusively on Tildes on mobile and between my brain refusing to remember the brackets vs parentheses, and the order of their contents, people get links. (Three cheers is lovely but last check I can't see notifications or react to posts so I'm mobile Firefox and not fussing with three work around to get extensions past ublock)
As I said, this is fine, the world doesn't need to change for me, people just get links. (This was not a "please solve my problem" just a "this is an annoyance")
I'M GONNA SOLVE IT EVEN IF IT'S THE LAST THING I DO!
I mean change the markup on Tildes or change my brain ´◔‿ゝ◔`)
Markdown is ubiquitous these days, so you may find that syntax useful elsewhere.
Text in brackets, URL in parenthesis.
[Text](URL)
.GPT helped me create a little verse to help you remember:
:)
...
...
Had I heard this randomly it might never leave my brain. Because you've told it to me, I'll probably forget it in a few minutes.
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Genuinely though, It might be ubiquitous but, where? I post here, bluesky and Facebook because my rl friends are still there.
Most places render a preview link and I delete the ugly link, or I just edit the junk out of the link as best I can. When I still read Reddit I'm not posting links often if at all at this point.
Here are a few examples:
Of those, in the first link I use Discord and Teams. Teams respects ctrl+shortcuts and has a text formatting toolbar, Discord has other formatting, but frankly can we bring the double bars = spoilers here? It's so much easier.
While support might be "ubiquitous" (though I have not heard of the vast majority of these tools personally, so perhaps common is a better term), I don't know if only supporting markdown is ubiquitous, or if they just also support markdown.
In short, I just hate how markdown handles links as it's obnoxious. This post is literally the second one I've written on a computer, and while said formatting is easier here, the link format is still obnoxious IMO.
Some days I feel like everyone on here is a programmer but me. I know that's not true, but it's a real vibe. Especially after reading that list.
You might be interested in the Tildes ReExtended browser extension. It makes using the markdown here much easier/faster.
E.g. I can just click 'Link' above the comment box to drop the []() characters into it.
As noted, I mostly use Firefox on mobile, and IIRC, you have to jump through some hoops to install that on mobile. It's all good. I will manage. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I truly didn't want solutions, just felt like expressing mild annoyance which is evenly split between Markdown and my brain's refusal to remember the correct format.
LOL, fair enough. I totally understand. Sorry for bugging you. :)
No worries, I appreciate the good intent!
Fun tip for windows: "CTRL + ." (period). 😉
and my interpretatino is that emoticons are emoji only based on text. so a smiley would be an emoticon. One that many apps or mobile keywords will convert to an emoji for you.
I think the dislike for emojis really stemmed from people that were railing against others that were (probably) very young.
There's this style.. xD of writing lmao xD that just feels young and just random hahaha..xD
I don't think people dislike a smiley (yeah I still call them smileys) if it's used as a way to convey tone. Just don't overdo it because it distracts ;)
Like you say, I think it's more the rampant overuse that grates rather than the age of the user. I've noticed that other than The Youth, older if not elderly people are major abusers of the emoji. They 👵 seem to use 💪 it more as an unnecessary 🙄 decoration 🎊 for their message 💬 rather than replacing whole words 📃 like the kids 🧒 do.
That is absolutely it—boomers absolutely never would have gone to the trouble of including emojis if their iPhones didn’t pop them up right over the keyboard. So it’s a lack of intentionality—same reason I would rather get absolutely no reply than a canned recommended Gmail response message, Barbara.
TBF, if my email client received that response and figured "that's obviously canned, therefore I understand exactly what the author selected out of a few options. Barbara has approved OP's suggested plan of action. Let me delete OP's calendar reminder to follow up with her." I'd not be mad.
Frankly, I'd hazard the guess that in a few years, when LLMs have stopped being so forgetful and unreliable about really preventable stuff, we'll see AI assistants like that. If we monkey-patch them onto existing email and calendar infrastructure, actually looking at your email inbox would be interesting. All the mails your AI assistant sent to other AI assistants about coordinating basic stuff. All of it in unimaginative, canned, but still human-readable language.
I'd love that for meeting coordination. Especially if I didn't have to read the whole thread to figure out what's going on.
Google with Gmail/Calendar/Meetings etc is already working on similar stuff, they're not at THAT level yet but as a Google Workspace user/admin at work, they are definitely leaning towards that direction.
They have a chat bot, where for instance a group chat for a department of employees could ask the bot to schedule a meeting, and it would propose a time based on all chat members calendars and their individual schedules.
They recently added something to Gmail which looks up tracking numbers and puts the ETA of your package right under the header of emails containing tracking numbers so it's easier to see.
They have also introduced a new paid add-on called Duet AI which is where most of their more modern LLM stuff is being used.
Shhh, don't give away Barbara's secret to effective communication.
On the other hand, giving emotions noses makes you look like you started using the internet on usenet ;)
I started with Usenet (and BBSs) and have never added noses to my emoticons, since the versions with noses have always creeped me out for some reason. :-P = gross! :P
Anecdotally I think most people dropped the noses pretty quickly!
adding a caret nose makes it very cheeky, that's my favorite usage. it's almost taunting in a way, i used to use it more when playing games online. :^)
I never use emojis anywhere and just use text smileys -- my most used ones being xD, xd, and :'| all of which convey much more emotion in my opinion then any artwork drawn by google or apple artists. I'm optimistic the tildes community is onboard with these, like everyone was in the early days of the internet.
🧐 is the exception for me, I don’t remember there being a text smiley that could capture that feeling haha. Maybe “no comment” was the best equivalent.
This is my one exception, I don't know of a text-based emoji that carries the same weight 😬
"Oof" or sucking air through teeth while grimacing.
Microsoft Teams used to have a great animated emoji face similar to that, but they got rid of it because it was non-standard and now :S - which was its shortcut - just shows a bog-standard sad face. It was a "panicked look of worry", and my go-to reaction to most things.
Last hold out of MSN messenger was indeed the old emojis it used :P
Maybe, it was this one in case anyone wanted to reminisce. Took me a while to find, it's like its existence has been deleted from the internet.
ಠ~ಠ
ಠ_ಠ
I love this one ^_^ (and this one too)
Spaces I was in used O_o (or o_O) for that, but it didn't seem to be one of the ubiquitous ones.
Ah this is a classic
Tildes hasn't rendered your emoji so I have no idea which one you're talking about :p
I often use "..." to indicate a "no comment" myself.
Tildes doesn't handle clientside rendering like that, in this case it's your browser that does. So if you can't see that emoji then you probably don't have a browser or font installed that fully adheres to Unicode 10.0, which is the version where that particular emoji (U+1F9D0) was implemented.
p.s. Unicode is up to version 15.1 now, so if you don't have a browser or font installed that even supports 10.0 yet you're likely missing a lot of characters and text rendering/encoding features. E.g. No Cuneiform for you! 𒈬:P
Thanks for the technical details. Interestingly I can see the cuneiform here. I'm on Firefox Nightly on Android so I'm quite stumped as to why I can't see the emoji on the parent post.
Ah, if you're talking about mobile then it gets even more complicated. Desktop OSs (and iOS) usually remain up-to-date with the Unicode standard, but Android phones' Unicode support can vary greatly by make/model. You should still be able to manually install some newer fonts on your phone that fully support the modern Unicode emoji block, if you're so inclined. How to go about that would depend on your particular phone make/model though.
Interesting, I didn't even realise this was a thing. I use a Samsung S23+ with One UI 6.0 and I expected it to be done correctly by default. Oh well.
From some quick googling, it sounds like Samsung does it's own thing when it comes to emojis, which diverges from the default Android setup. And they're also apparently particularly bad at supporting all the latest emojis:
https://blog.emojipedia.org/samsung-one-ui-6-0-emoji-changelog/
And I guess they still don't support U+1F9D0 (FACE WITH MONOCLE), for some unknown reason, despite that being an emoji from Unicode 10.0 released in 2017.
Thanks for taking the time to look it up. I'm wondering if I should fix it or if I should just accept not seeing a large subset of emojis...
TBH, you're probably not missing out on much. I was mostly being snarky with my comment about you not being able to see the new Cuneiform characters... even though you actually could, since apparently Samsung values those more than supporting all the latest emojis. ;)
But personally, that kinda thing would probably annoy the shit out of me, so I would probably try to fix it if I had a Samsung phone. It would largely depend on how difficult it is to install new fonts on the phone, and how frequently I came across unsupported characters though.
Yup, this is the first instance of any unrendered character I've come across. My gboard supports me entering this emoji but I can't get to display it anywhere. But thanks Samsung, never expected that this could even be a possibility :'|
Not surprising. Gboard is an actual google product, and so they probably assume your Android phone will support all the default Android emojis, hence that emoji's appearance there. The emojis being displayed in gboard are likely just SVG images though, and not actually part of any font installed on your phone. And since Samsung doesn't actually support the same emoji set as default Android, that emoji is not displaying properly for you anywhere else other than the keyboard app. :/
Monocle with skeptical eyebrow raised.
I like the chocolate ice cream one. The one with the eyes. I use that all the time.
People don't reply.
Don't xD
I don't actually have anything against 'xD' I just find this image hilarious :D
Chatting about Adobe XD to people who are not familiar with the program can get quite confusing. When I realise they've gotten confused, I have to tell them that's the program name and it's not a smiley.
To be fair, when talking about Adobe you either XD or >: [
That's funny. I exhaled several times. It's a good joke.
This has a strong "Back in my day" tone to it. I used to feel persnickety about emoji, then I realized it's just because it wasn't what I grew up with. I think they add great flare to some messages.
I’m completely lost by the comments saying that Tildes doesn’t support rendering emoji. Emoji are encoded as text so you can’t really remove support for it short of filtering them out in the processing stage. I wonder if they are running on Linux systems that don’t have good emoji support?
It's pretty much solely whether you have a suitable font installed. I'm fairly certain Ubuntu and its derivatives come with Noto Color Emoji installed. Not sure whether Windows has a good emoji font out of the box though, I switched too long ago.
Personally I miss the days of Something Awful and all their custom smilies. People would tell stories and assign each character to a symbol. Made reading a transcript of what was said more fun.
I think everyone performatively hated emojis 7+ years ago (I know I did), since then pretending to care about it one way or the other has become less and less popular.
In the communities I was part of all that time ago it wasn't really about emojis themselves, it was because other people did like emojis. In part it was contrarian and in part it was an excuse to bully people.
Yea that really depends on the subreddit, but these days even some edgy subreddits are ok with emoji usage.
Personally I prefer text emojis as they're easier for me to see. I have astigmatism and emoji details can be too small to read sometimes and I have to squint. I ended up customizing my phone keyboard to have these characters for easy access: ∇๐ω⌒∪^●¬-_~=<>:|;/
I don't use them as much as I thought I would, but sometimes they help. I'm glad they're there because I get to make unique faces like:
⌒_⌒
¬⌒¬
๐ω๐
∪⌒∪
^∇^
●๐●
'ω'
@¬@
Sometimes I find what I'm saying needs an unspoken "disclaimer" of sorts. Because it be misconstrued as hostile. One of those silly faces pacifies my words, and also helps people see the human behind the screen, imo.
What keyboard do you use? There are some who have a kaomoji keyboard.
I use Keys Cafe's customized keyboard from Samsung for Android. I've yet to figure out how to properly give myself 3 distinctly different keyboards though, as the 3rd copies part of the 2nd.
Edit: nvm just figured out how to properly make a 3rd keyboard. You have to select the button to change and just tap what you want to switch it to, instead of swapping it by dragging. The key has to come from the same category though for some reason.
Tildes or not, no one worth talking with cares about them when used with reason and in moderation ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
🤷🏻♀️
I prefer them way over emoji fwiw, not sure how a website can be anti-emoticons anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I like emoticons and emojis because they help me convey tone in a way that I struggle with through words. Writing things out is awkward and I can't always take, say, happiness and put it into text in a way that's satisfying.
That said, I have an entirely different writing style in forum environments, and I feel that because there's more time and effort put into each post it's less stressful to find the right phrasing.
I think emojis are the equivalent of /s. They're easy ways to show the intent of your writing.
I use them so much in my daily communications, but I do feel a bit awkward using them here in Tildes just because I hardly see anyone doing so. But I remind myself that Tildes isn't anti-emoji, it's anti-assholes 😁
There's nothing against emoji's as a concept on Tildes. But the general sentiment of Tildes is that you want each comment to be meaningful, and emojis tend to be a sign of noise more than a contribution to a discussion. I often use emojis on Discord to "react" to content, but you want to avoid "reacting" on Tildes. That's what the vote button is for, or even the exemplary label if it is a truly insightful contribution.
So while I'm not going to say "never use emoji on Tildes", I can't think of a situation outside of maybe ™️ or ©️ where it would be appropriate. Because I can't bother googling for the Unicode versions of those symbols every time nor remembring a unicode number (I don't even have a numpad on this laptop to make use of such function).
When it's so easy to read your own tone into text, emoticons and emojis help get the writer's intended tone across. As to why Reddit/some parts of the web had a frothing hate for emoticons? Because people also used them to be frivolous and silly when communicating, and we can only be serious on the Internet at all times. :eyeroll:
In short, I dig 'em for both reasons. You'll pry the "XD" emote out of my cold, dead hands.
EDIT to actually answer the question put forth:
I don't think so; we just use them sparingly, possibly due to leaning toward more serious tones.
Emoji, emoticons, and the like are textual replacements for the gestures and body language present in casual in-person conversations. For me, the emphasis there is on “casual”.
The less casual a conversation is, the less likely I am to use emoji. I routinely use them in text messages and chat environments (Matrix, Discord, Slack, etc.) The more formally I view an environment, the less likely I am to use them. On top of that, I have a slightly-more-formal-than-necessary persona in many online spaces. I'm not sure why, but it's been part of my communication practices since I first went online in the 1990s.
I view Tildes as a platform for semi-casual conversations, on par, perhaps, with Usenet or the listserves of a couple decades ago. The casual aspect means that emoji are acceptable as a means of conveying information. On the other hand, the non-immediate dialog brings a bit more formality into it. Since I have time to compose my responses, I'm more inclined to try to write in a way that expresses my emotions without emoji, drawing more on conventions and practices of more formal writing.
It's likely that many other people here are in a similar situation. The greater the degree to which Tildes is seen as a place for formal writing, the less of an inclination people will have to use markers of casual conversation like emoji.
(Side note: there's a fascinating book about online writing habits called Because Internet by Gretchen McCulloch. There's an entire chapter about emoji, which, among other things, links emoji to in-person gestures.)
I think the reddit issue with them is a holdover from when the Unicode/graphical emojis were new and not supported in all browsers or devices. Suddenly entire responses were either a string of unreadable characters or emojis, depending on your device.
Every time someone calls an emoticon "text emoji" I age ten years ;)
I have previously used them on tildes - I'm too set in my ways after having spent 20 years of my life as an IRC user - but I use them sparingly.
Emoji are (these days) unicode characters defined (I believe) by their semantic meaning or layout; they can look different from font to font. It's useful to have the ability to use such characters in text under certain circumstances. I remember, was it a South Park episode? in which people could be fingerprinted by their emoji use patterns, and I thought it was interesting at the time because that strikes me as extremely plausible. It's similar to how AI is increasingly capable of fingerprinting an individual by their prose; both are the same because both are carrying the contents of the message. In that way, emoji are a useful medium for communicating meaning.
As I'm not a visual person, to me at least it's much easier to parse a message written using actual words rather than an excessive amount of emoji, so I always hope people don't choose to overuse them.
I'm old (kinda), I come from times when SMS were paid for and not really cheap. Phones used character LCDs back then. If you wanted to show emotion, you had to use standard ASCII, that means emojis like this one :-)
When graphical emojis came to life, there were priblens with character sets, so sometime I saw blank rectangles instead of emojis. Or I didn't see anything at all and was cinfused what the sentence should mean.
Nowadays emojis are wildly spread and there are no problems with displaying them. Yet dues to historical reasons/problems, I don't use them that much. That said, I use them only when I'm intant messaging, I don't use them even in emails or in forums (I make rare exceptions).
So this is why you won't see me that much tossing emojis around. I'm not anti-emoji, I just don't use them much. I think that colon, dash and closing bracket can show the same :-)
Oh, God. I totally forgot about how we used to have to pay per text message... and later, plans would often come with a "free" # of texts/month (100 or so, typically). I do not miss those days.
I kinda miss pagers though, weirdly. It let me stay in touch with people, but answer them back at my leisure. Whereas the expectation nowadays is that if you don't respond to a text right away then you're an asshole. And I really hate how text messages show the person who sent it whether they have been received and read now too, since that just reinforces the awful expectation of an immediate response.
In this regard, those were not the "good old times" :-)
Ascii art FTW!
Never understood why people are either anti emoji or do not use them. To me they help better express an emotion to what I am trying to say (I'm quite expressive).