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    1. NFTs, why do people hate them?

      I was just thinking and wondering why people are so incredibly anti NFT. I recently posted about my art here and someone was compelled to post an angry comment about NFTs. I have come to expect...

      I was just thinking and wondering why people are so incredibly anti NFT. I recently posted about my art here and someone was compelled to post an angry comment about NFTs. I have come to expect this and just wonder why?

      It is a strange thing to collect digital items, I get that. Personally I find it hard to understand most of what people do including collecting stuff. I'm try to get rid of stuff.

      We know some crypto is bad for the environment. This is why I didn't buy bitcoin in the first place, it seemed like a huge waste of energy for nothing. Many companies support this now though. If you invest in Tesla, you invest in bitcoin. You may not even know or care that your 401k hedge fund is investing in crypto.

      But some crypto like Tezos (which is what I use) is in line with energy use you would expect from credit cards and the like.

      The other thing is that some people are making huge sums of money from crypto and maybe there is jealousy involved. I've felt it too! Then I remind myself what life is all about, that I am happy where I am, and that fame would not help me create better art, in fact it would likely work against it. Money is much so much easier to make then art, it's not even close.

      Thoughts?

      19 votes
    2. Cryptographic Digital Art Tokens, a concept

      Hi folks. I'm posting this in ~creative because I want to see what other artists think of it; the technical side is important too, but artists and art are the focus of this project. Cryptographic...

      Hi folks. I'm posting this in ~creative because I want to see what other artists think of it; the technical side is important too, but artists and art are the focus of this project.


      Cryptographic Digital Art Tokens are a concept I've been working on for a while, to provide some of the benefits of crypto tokens without perpetuating the harm they create.

      CDATs are not NFTs. They are not designed to facilitate investment, but rather collection. They do not use a blockchain and do not rely on distributed consensus at all. Instead, they use traditional cryptography to validate the ownership of art.

      How CDATs Work

      Let's say an artist Adam creates a piece of art called One. He decides he wants to sell a CDAT of One, so he creates a CDAT key and publishes his public key on his website, adam.art.

      A collector, Beth, decides she wants to buy One. She e-mails Adam and they agree on a price, and exchange keys; once she has paid, Adam sends Beth a CDAT, which he has signed. Beth then cross-signs the CDAT and sends it back to Adam. It ends up looking like this:

      === CDAT DATA ===
      Artist: Adam <adam@adam.art>
      Collector: Beth <beth@betawork.codes>
      Date of Sale: 2021-12-08T19:50:56Z
      Title: One, a Digital Story
      Work ID: art.adam.one
      Cover Hash: e82c294938320bf4fab56970f52e1ddf
      Work Hash: 3179c999f1d4fab4bcc8a57bca1c9d8c
      Artist Key Fingerprint: c634d0420f825b91
      Collector Key Fingerprint: 3b2e3bbf91ec96c2
      === CDAT SIGN ===
      Artist Signature: YTtsc2tkamY7bHNramY7bGtqZDtsa2pmYTtsZGt...
      Collector Signature: cXdpZXVwcXdpeXR1djtsbmFvdWNuZWN2cHdl...
      === CDAT META ===
      Cover URL: https://adam.art/images/one-cover.jpg
      Work URL: https://adam.art/art/one.zip
      Artist Key URL: https://adam.art/static/cdat.key
      Collector Key URL: https://betawork.codes/
      === CDAT OVER ===
      

      In an ideal world, with all the software enablement I want to do, Beth would be able to take this token and put it in a digital gallery or on her website, where the art piece, and her ownership of it, would be proudly displayed for all to see in a user-friendly, beautiful format.

      Structure

      The CDAT has three sections - DATA, which is signed, META, which is not, and SIGN, which contains the CDAT's cryptographic signatures. Hashes and key fingerprints are in the DATA section, but URLs are in the META section, which means they can be changed later; artists and collectors can re-host their art and keys, so long as the files' hashes or fingerprints remain exactly the same.

      Semantics

      Because the CDAT is cross-signed, anyone can see that both Adam and Beth have agreed to the sale. Assuming the signatures and keys all check out, Beth can now prove to people that Adam sold her his art, and Adam can prove that Beth bought it.

      Implementation

      In order for this interaction to work, we technically need only existing technology: you can validate such things with GPG and some manual reordering. Ideally, though, we'd have a few tools:

      • A CDAT validation program. This should include a command line program and a GUI (maybe even a mobile app?), and would validate the following information:
        • The given signatures are valid and correct for the given CDAT.
        • The keys used to sign the CDAT match both the given fingerprints and identities.
        • The linked key URLs, if any, in fact point to the indicated keys.
        • The linked art and cover URLs, if any, in fact point to files with the given hashes.
      • A CDAT creation program. This should include a command line program and a GUI. It would take as input the relevant keys and names, provide a way to set the date, and ensure that everything relevant is online at the given URLs.
        • This program would be used by both artists (to create CDATs) and collectors (to cross-sign CDATs).
      • A CDAT hosting service. Obviously there could be more than one of these, and people could host their CDATs and art on their own machines - that's decentralization, baby! - but it would be very nice to be able to host CDATs, art, and keys for free or a nominal fee.

      This would be a great start, but in order to really kick-start the ecosystem, it would be nice to provide some additional enablement software, such as:

      • A drop-in HTML embed that uses client-side JavaScript to display and validate CDATs on a website.
      • A browser extension which validates CDATs found on arbitrary websites, on the user's request.
      • A self-hostable CDAT gallery for artists and collectors which displays who owns what, and which art pieces are still for sale.

      Please let me know if this idea is interesting to you, and ask any questions/leave comments!

      9 votes
    3. Do you separate the art from the artist?

      I'm having a hard time with this. I stopped listening to some bands because of what they did, do or not do. The guy from Inquisition turned out a pedophile. Mgla, while not a nazi band per se, are...

      I'm having a hard time with this.

      I stopped listening to some bands because of what they did, do or not do.

      The guy from Inquisition turned out a pedophile.

      Mgla, while not a nazi band per se, are at least nazi sympathizers. So i stopped listening.

      Vektor: the guy is a wife beater, but there are is some controversy.

      And i absolutely loved these bands. While i can find similar bands, it's not the same.

      But what i am doing not listening to it? I'm the one not listening to it and that's it. I will never give them money (i threw my Mgla shirt away) because i obtain the music by another means.

      I am not helping with their popularity because i'm the only one in my circle that listens to these subgenres of metal and i mostly do it alone.

      So... what's the point of depriving myself of music that i like? They are the ones who suck, not me! But at the same time i feel bad listening.

      What are your thoughts on this?

      23 votes