I'm probably gonna grab it eventually either way, because that's just my role in my friend groups lol. But my immediate thought is that I really hope that new joystick design isn't going to hamper...
I'm probably gonna grab it eventually either way, because that's just my role in my friend groups lol. But my immediate thought is that I really hope that new joystick design isn't going to hamper actually fixing the famously abysmal joycon joysticks.
Looks good though! Wondering how much of my switch I can get rid of too, I'm guessing the old joycona and pro controllers will probably still work, and it definitely gets around the "I hope smash Bros has another iteration but licensing will be a nightmare" issue. Just gotta see the launch games now
Malding over apparent no OLED, but overall, pretty decent incremental upgrade from the Switch 1. Appreciate that Nintendo finally sensibly named something.
Malding over apparent no OLED, but overall, pretty decent incremental upgrade from the Switch 1. Appreciate that Nintendo finally sensibly named something.
The video is just a render, so any info on the screen will have to come later I think. No OLED would be a pretty huge step back, but maybe they release 2 price points?
The video is just a render, so any info on the screen will have to come later I think. No OLED would be a pretty huge step back, but maybe they release 2 price points?
I'm desperately hoping for that. The Steam Deck OLED's much better colors and peak brightness were a game changer for me jumping from the original Switch.
I'm desperately hoping for that. The Steam Deck OLED's much better colors and peak brightness were a game changer for me jumping from the original Switch.
Personally, I don't like the naming scheme of "X1, X2, etc.", I always appreciated Nintendo's creativity with naming their consoles. It gives them more character than "Playstation 5". Having said...
Personally, I don't like the naming scheme of "X1, X2, etc.", I always appreciated Nintendo's creativity with naming their consoles. It gives them more character than "Playstation 5".
Having said that, I think it makes sense in this case since this seems more iterative than previous generation shifts.
Their unique naming system has cost them entire generations of sales. Just ask anyone what the Wii-U was. This is clear: an iterative design on the first model. Boring perhaps, but it leaves no...
Their unique naming system has cost them entire generations of sales. Just ask anyone what the Wii-U was.
This is clear: an iterative design on the first model. Boring perhaps, but it leaves no wiggle room.
Unsurprising that all the cross-referenced leaks have turned out to be true, very happy that they're just doing "more of the same" hardware-wise because Nintendo has always been more about games,...
Unsurprising that all the cross-referenced leaks have turned out to be true, very happy that they're just doing "more of the same" hardware-wise because Nintendo has always been more about games, and I love the switch form-factor. I don't like the new design compared to the old one, but I'm sure it will grow on me the more non-renders we get to see.
The announcement also doubles as a teaser for a new Mario Kart game, which sucks because I love Mario Kart, to the point where I've gone from "I might get it once there's a big library" to "shit, I'm gonna get it immediately, aren't I?" - still waiting on a price announcement to actually make a decision.
I'm with you on the Mario Kart. It's one of the few games my wife enjoys playing multiplayer, and so we've gotten a lot of mileage (pun intended) out of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, which is a nearly...
I'm with you on the Mario Kart. It's one of the few games my wife enjoys playing multiplayer, and so we've gotten a lot of mileage (pun intended) out of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, which is a nearly perfect game of the genre. So if they keep that formula I will probably be getting this console shortly after release.
Unironically, if it's just a Switch with better capacity I'd be very happy. It doesn't need to be fancy, it just needs to be fun to play with. I hope that the Switch 2 goes against the trend of...
Unironically, if it's just a Switch with better capacity I'd be very happy. It doesn't need to be fancy, it just needs to be fun to play with. I hope that the Switch 2 goes against the trend of everything fancy regardless of functionality. (no but really, our new oven has a touchscreen which is unintuitive for even a physicist working in IT, the oven itself is great but sometimes simple is best)
Yeah, I'm cool with this, nice to just see an incremental upgrade for once considering how much I love what the Switch offers. The backwards compatibility with Switch games is nice as well....
Yeah, I'm cool with this, nice to just see an incremental upgrade for once considering how much I love what the Switch offers.
The backwards compatibility with Switch games is nice as well. Haven't played my Switch in about a year since my daughter got sentient and grabby enough to find it interesting so I'll grab the Switch 2 and finish Tears of the Kingdom on it I reckon.
I'm honestly a little... disappointed? I like my Switch and I think it was a bold, interesting innovation (obviously not without compromise or negatives.) But like, this seems like a "more of the...
I'm honestly a little... disappointed? I like my Switch and I think it was a bold, interesting innovation (obviously not without compromise or negatives.) But like, this seems like a "more of the same" iteration.
Hence the 2 in the name. I guess there's no reason to upgrade from a graphics perspective if all the developers are still happy and most ports do well enough. I just know that Nintendo usually...
Hence the 2 in the name. I guess there's no reason to upgrade from a graphics perspective if all the developers are still happy and most ports do well enough. I just know that Nintendo usually play safe OR do the complete opposite of that and surprise everyone.
The Switch is not really capable of good ports of 3D titles anymore. Fortnite on Switch looks straight out of 2007, and that's being generous. That said, they can pretty much coast on their first...
The Switch is not really capable of good ports of 3D titles anymore.
Fortnite on Switch looks straight out of 2007, and that's being generous.
That said, they can pretty much coast on their first party and existing library for quite awhile.
I recently began a playthrough of Witcher 3 on the switch. It's impressive as hell that it works on the Switch, but it also looks like its out of 2007. Especially once you apply the recommended...
I recently began a playthrough of Witcher 3 on the switch. It's impressive as hell that it works on the Switch, but it also looks like its out of 2007. Especially once you apply the recommended (by fans, that is) graphics settings to smooth the choppiness out.
Not to mention how badly games like Pokemon Violet/Scarlet perform at times.
But also this is kind of a moot point because I don't think the announcement said anything about graphical capabilities? And it's hard to tell from a few shots from Mario Kart. Maybe it's from leaks, but I don't keep up with that stuff because we've been getting "leaks" about Switch revisions for so long now that I stopped paying attention.
It always baffles me that some console games have graphic settings now. I thought part of the joy of having a console was the plug and play nature of the games?
It always baffles me that some console games have graphic settings now. I thought part of the joy of having a console was the plug and play nature of the games?
Yeah it's weird, but I do love to tinker with settings. In the case of Witcher 3 I was experiencing a lot of texture pop-in that was very distracting during conversations and being able to tone...
Yeah it's weird, but I do love to tinker with settings. In the case of Witcher 3 I was experiencing a lot of texture pop-in that was very distracting during conversations and being able to tone the settings down a bit reduced it substantially.
I can't believe they really went with the name "Switch 2". And that logo? The Switch logo with a 2 next to it? This looks like a shitpost, I'm sorry. Can't believe this is official
I can't believe they really went with the name "Switch 2". And that logo? The Switch logo with a 2 next to it? This looks like a shitpost, I'm sorry. Can't believe this is official
Cannot disagree more. After the Wii U fiasco I am so, so happy to see they've finally accepted that customers associate a new number with a next generation product.
Cannot disagree more. After the Wii U fiasco I am so, so happy to see they've finally accepted that customers associate a new number with a next generation product.
Agreed and as someone who bought a Wii U and loved it, I don't care what the device is called so long as the average parent who doesn't game understands that this is the next one. Would I have...
Agreed and as someone who bought a Wii U and loved it, I don't care what the device is called so long as the average parent who doesn't game understands that this is the next one. Would I have preferred something like Super Switch or something, sure (though having something named SS is probably not ideal) but it's got hall effect analog sticks, is backwards compatible and is rumored to be a decent hard spec bump, they could have called it the Switch U or Switches or New Switch or Switch Advanced or Virtual Switch and I'd be ok with it.
It also sets us up for at least the possibility of normal naming and consoles from here on out! Nintendo can of course always change their mind and do something gimmicky, but the possibility now...
It also sets us up for at least the possibility of normal naming and consoles from here on out! Nintendo can of course always change their mind and do something gimmicky, but the possibility now of a Switch 3, 4, 5, etc. is hopeful. I liked some Wii games, and gimmicks can be fun as accessories, but I like normal games. I hated swinging the controller around when my fingers could do the same thing easily.
That's definitely my biggest "gripe." I think the giant 2 next to the Joy-Cons looks lame. Was hoping for the Nintendo Super Switch, but I suppose 2 communicates things most clearly. Oh well.
That's definitely my biggest "gripe." I think the giant 2 next to the Joy-Cons looks lame. Was hoping for the Nintendo Super Switch, but I suppose 2 communicates things most clearly. Oh well.
I won't doubt that Nintendo Switch 2 will achieve high sales numbers for simply evolving the tried-and-true handheld-hybrid concept of the predecessor with improved usability and specs upgrade....
I won't doubt that Nintendo Switch 2 will achieve high sales numbers for simply evolving the tried-and-true handheld-hybrid concept of the predecessor with improved usability and specs upgrade. After all, Sony managed to consistently achieve high sales numbers by sticking with a similar one-size-fits-all controller design philosophy dating all the way back to PlayStation 1. That traditional controller layout allowed for a wider variety of games to be played than most consoles prior to the 00s, Wii and Playdate offered, and the average gamer won't take long to become acclimated with the controls from one platform to another.
On the other hand, I can definitely see why not coming up with significant innovation can undermine Nintendo's unique position in the gaming market. In the 2017, the handheld-hybrid concept was a novel concept that effectively bridged the ever-present home and handheld console gap, all by offering meaty-enough tech specs to provide a solid home console experience while adopting the handheld form-factor. As in, no more vastly different games of the same name between two consoles.
As time marches on, however, other hardware manufacturers took note of that very concept and applied it to their consoles to a varying extent. Among them, the somewhat beginner-unfriendly Steam Deck is the closest competitor of the bunch, with no shortage of games of all genres on offer. Although there currently exists little to no other handheld-hybrid options, it'll be only a matter of time when they'll catch up with Nintendo, and the Japanese giant lacks an alternative platform that can host a vastly unique gaming experience anymore.
That being said, the trailer also implies there will be a mouse-like functionality embedded, as seen by the Joy-Cons sliding on the ground. So, I guess Switch 2 will now attempt to incorporate PC first-person shooting experience alongside home and handheld? I'll be definitely on the lookout for the upcoming April 2nd Nintendo Direct.
I'm doubtful any of the handheld PCs will be anything more than a niche market. I have a GPDWin 4, and it's good for when I need it, but it's not a Switch experience. Apart from the unifying...
I'm doubtful any of the handheld PCs will be anything more than a niche market. I have a GPDWin 4, and it's good for when I need it, but it's not a Switch experience. Apart from the unifying factor that they're all absurdly large, noisy, and and hot for a handheld, the fundamental problem is that games are not made for them.
Games are made for the Switch, to run well on the Switch. Any game always requires the "does it even run" question on the handhelds PCs, or "is there no UI scaling so I can't read anything without squinting". It's not even obvious - Metaphor runs like ass on the handhelds, even though it's not exactly the most graphically demanding game.
Not discounting you, but aren't there a lot of Switch games that both run and look like ass, struggling to maintain even 30fps? Correct me if I'm wrong, never owned a Switch.
Not discounting you, but aren't there a lot of Switch games that both run and look like ass, struggling to maintain even 30fps?
Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom both target 30 fps (and nevertheless occasionally dip to ~20 fps). The performance is perfectly serviceable (and probably pushing the theoretical limits...
Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom both target 30 fps (and nevertheless occasionally dip to ~20 fps). The performance is perfectly serviceable (and probably pushing the theoretical limits of the hardware), but one could still hope for more.
Is that what that was implying? I took that as a fun way to transition to the Mario Kart reveal rather than any kind of feature. I would be very surprised if they had some mouse-like support like...
Is that what that was implying? I took that as a fun way to transition to the Mario Kart reveal rather than any kind of feature.
I would be very surprised if they had some mouse-like support like that.
I have seen quite a few announcements recently for various Switch/Steam Deck like devices, so no competition in the space is not exactly true. I feel these devices are catching on and pretty soon we will have ones that are just as big of not bigger than can do more things.
I'm probably gonna grab it eventually either way, because that's just my role in my friend groups lol. But my immediate thought is that I really hope that new joystick design isn't going to hamper actually fixing the famously abysmal joycon joysticks.
Looks good though! Wondering how much of my switch I can get rid of too, I'm guessing the old joycona and pro controllers will probably still work, and it definitely gets around the "I hope smash Bros has another iteration but licensing will be a nightmare" issue. Just gotta see the launch games now
Malding over apparent no OLED, but overall, pretty decent incremental upgrade from the Switch 1. Appreciate that Nintendo finally sensibly named something.
The video is just a render, so any info on the screen will have to come later I think. No OLED would be a pretty huge step back, but maybe they release 2 price points?
I'm desperately hoping for that. The Steam Deck OLED's much better colors and peak brightness were a game changer for me jumping from the original Switch.
More likely a later release to get those sweet double dips. I’d like to be wrong.
Personally, I don't like the naming scheme of "X1, X2, etc.", I always appreciated Nintendo's creativity with naming their consoles. It gives them more character than "Playstation 5".
Having said that, I think it makes sense in this case since this seems more iterative than previous generation shifts.
Their unique naming system has cost them entire generations of sales. Just ask anyone what the Wii-U was.
This is clear: an iterative design on the first model. Boring perhaps, but it leaves no wiggle room.
Damn, no OLED would be super disappointing.
Still looks like the controllers might hurt my hand after a while.
Yeah, it would be a disappointment. I have an original model and an OLED one and the difference is screen quality is massive.
Mine doesn't hurt, but starts to tingle and gets numb.
Unsurprising that all the cross-referenced leaks have turned out to be true, very happy that they're just doing "more of the same" hardware-wise because Nintendo has always been more about games, and I love the switch form-factor. I don't like the new design compared to the old one, but I'm sure it will grow on me the more non-renders we get to see.
The announcement also doubles as a teaser for a new Mario Kart game, which sucks because I love Mario Kart, to the point where I've gone from "I might get it once there's a big library" to "shit, I'm gonna get it immediately, aren't I?" - still waiting on a price announcement to actually make a decision.
I'm with you on the Mario Kart. It's one of the few games my wife enjoys playing multiplayer, and so we've gotten a lot of mileage (pun intended) out of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, which is a nearly perfect game of the genre. So if they keep that formula I will probably be getting this console shortly after release.
I didn't notice at first, but Nintendo Life pointed out 24 starting spots and what looks like a wider track. Should be fun!
Hopefully they learned from Mario Kart Wii and 8 about how to balance the jump in racers, I'm still traumatized from Wii...
Unironically, if it's just a Switch with better capacity I'd be very happy. It doesn't need to be fancy, it just needs to be fun to play with. I hope that the Switch 2 goes against the trend of everything fancy regardless of functionality. (no but really, our new oven has a touchscreen which is unintuitive for even a physicist working in IT, the oven itself is great but sometimes simple is best)
Yeah, I'm cool with this, nice to just see an incremental upgrade for once considering how much I love what the Switch offers.
The backwards compatibility with Switch games is nice as well. Haven't played my Switch in about a year since my daughter got sentient and grabby enough to find it interesting so I'll grab the Switch 2 and finish Tears of the Kingdom on it I reckon.
Also, I love Mario Kart so I'm excited for that.
I'm honestly a little... disappointed? I like my Switch and I think it was a bold, interesting innovation (obviously not without compromise or negatives.) But like, this seems like a "more of the same" iteration.
Hence the 2 in the name. I guess there's no reason to upgrade from a graphics perspective if all the developers are still happy and most ports do well enough. I just know that Nintendo usually play safe OR do the complete opposite of that and surprise everyone.
The Switch is not really capable of good ports of 3D titles anymore.
Fortnite on Switch looks straight out of 2007, and that's being generous.
That said, they can pretty much coast on their first party and existing library for quite awhile.
Nintendo clearly falling for the remaster trend and doing the very first console remaster!
I mean, it's not exactly an unprecedented move on Nintendo's part :)
I recently began a playthrough of Witcher 3 on the switch. It's impressive as hell that it works on the Switch, but it also looks like its out of 2007. Especially once you apply the recommended (by fans, that is) graphics settings to smooth the choppiness out.
Not to mention how badly games like Pokemon Violet/Scarlet perform at times.
But also this is kind of a moot point because I don't think the announcement said anything about graphical capabilities? And it's hard to tell from a few shots from Mario Kart. Maybe it's from leaks, but I don't keep up with that stuff because we've been getting "leaks" about Switch revisions for so long now that I stopped paying attention.
It always baffles me that some console games have graphic settings now. I thought part of the joy of having a console was the plug and play nature of the games?
There were graphic settings on the PS2. People just have different preferences, different priorities, different televisions, etc.
Yeah it's weird, but I do love to tinker with settings. In the case of Witcher 3 I was experiencing a lot of texture pop-in that was very distracting during conversations and being able to tone the settings down a bit reduced it substantially.
I wouldn't really call it coasting, it's their M.O and it works well.
I can't believe they really went with the name "Switch 2". And that logo? The Switch logo with a 2 next to it? This looks like a shitpost, I'm sorry. Can't believe this is official
Cannot disagree more. After the Wii U fiasco I am so, so happy to see they've finally accepted that customers associate a new number with a next generation product.
Agreed and as someone who bought a Wii U and loved it, I don't care what the device is called so long as the average parent who doesn't game understands that this is the next one. Would I have preferred something like Super Switch or something, sure (though having something named SS is probably not ideal) but it's got hall effect analog sticks, is backwards compatible and is rumored to be a decent hard spec bump, they could have called it the Switch U or Switches or New Switch or Switch Advanced or Virtual Switch and I'd be ok with it.
It also sets us up for at least the possibility of normal naming and consoles from here on out! Nintendo can of course always change their mind and do something gimmicky, but the possibility now of a Switch 3, 4, 5, etc. is hopeful. I liked some Wii games, and gimmicks can be fun as accessories, but I like normal games. I hated swinging the controller around when my fingers could do the same thing easily.
That's definitely my biggest "gripe." I think the giant 2 next to the Joy-Cons looks lame. Was hoping for the Nintendo Super Switch, but I suppose 2 communicates things most clearly. Oh well.
You gotta admit having the video be 2 minutes and 22 seconds long was clever
I won't doubt that Nintendo Switch 2 will achieve high sales numbers for simply evolving the tried-and-true handheld-hybrid concept of the predecessor with improved usability and specs upgrade. After all, Sony managed to consistently achieve high sales numbers by sticking with a similar one-size-fits-all controller design philosophy dating all the way back to PlayStation 1. That traditional controller layout allowed for a wider variety of games to be played than most consoles prior to the 00s, Wii and Playdate offered, and the average gamer won't take long to become acclimated with the controls from one platform to another.
On the other hand, I can definitely see why not coming up with significant innovation can undermine Nintendo's unique position in the gaming market. In the 2017, the handheld-hybrid concept was a novel concept that effectively bridged the ever-present home and handheld console gap, all by offering meaty-enough tech specs to provide a solid home console experience while adopting the handheld form-factor. As in, no more vastly different games of the same name between two consoles.
As time marches on, however, other hardware manufacturers took note of that very concept and applied it to their consoles to a varying extent. Among them, the somewhat beginner-unfriendly Steam Deck is the closest competitor of the bunch, with no shortage of games of all genres on offer. Although there currently exists little to no other handheld-hybrid options, it'll be only a matter of time when they'll catch up with Nintendo, and the Japanese giant lacks an alternative platform that can host a vastly unique gaming experience anymore.
That being said, the trailer also implies there will be a mouse-like functionality embedded, as seen by the Joy-Cons sliding on the ground. So, I guess Switch 2 will now attempt to incorporate PC first-person shooting experience alongside home and handheld? I'll be definitely on the lookout for the upcoming April 2nd Nintendo Direct.
I'm doubtful any of the handheld PCs will be anything more than a niche market. I have a GPDWin 4, and it's good for when I need it, but it's not a Switch experience. Apart from the unifying factor that they're all absurdly large, noisy, and and hot for a handheld, the fundamental problem is that games are not made for them.
Games are made for the Switch, to run well on the Switch. Any game always requires the "does it even run" question on the handhelds PCs, or "is there no UI scaling so I can't read anything without squinting". It's not even obvious - Metaphor runs like ass on the handhelds, even though it's not exactly the most graphically demanding game.
Not discounting you, but aren't there a lot of Switch games that both run and look like ass, struggling to maintain even 30fps?
Correct me if I'm wrong, never owned a Switch.
A handful, but the big hitters run well, like the two Zelda games.
Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom both target 30 fps (and nevertheless occasionally dip to ~20 fps). The performance is perfectly serviceable (and probably pushing the theoretical limits of the hardware), but one could still hope for more.
The two Zeldas come to mind, haven't really played anything outside Nintendo's own games.
Is that what that was implying? I took that as a fun way to transition to the Mario Kart reveal rather than any kind of feature.
I would be very surprised if they had some mouse-like support like that.
I have seen quite a few announcements recently for various Switch/Steam Deck like devices, so no competition in the space is not exactly true. I feel these devices are catching on and pretty soon we will have ones that are just as big of not bigger than can do more things.