LGBT introductions thread: What's your story?
Back when Tildes was in cozy mode we had a small contingent of LGBT users across the site who all pretty much came to know each other over time. Now that we're undergoing a huge influx of users though, there are so many new names and faces! I'd love for everyone to get to know everyone, but rather than just sharing how you identify, I'd love this to be a place where people can share their story -- the road of how you arrived at being the person you are and identify as.
So, feel free to share as much of your story as you are comfortable with, and feel free to change/omit any identifying details if maintaining your personal privacy is important to you.
Also, a note to new users: a few years ago we had a vote to determine whether we should change the name of the group from ~lgbt to something else like ~lgbtq or ~queer. The vote came out in favor of keeping it as ~lgbt, but opted to add text to the description of the group clarifying that it is inclusive:
The umbrella term "LGBT" includes all minority sexualities and gender identities. Everybody is welcome to participate.
So, even if your identity is not included in the LGBT initialism, this is still a space for you! If you're ace, pan, intersex, gender non-conforming, gender fluid, non-binary, or any of the other many identities that fall under the LGBT umbrella, this is your community too. Even if you're not sure yet -- that's okay too! We're happy to have you here.
Also, to users who are cis/straight and are still subscribed to ~lgbt, you're welcome here too. We love our allies!
I am a bisexual man who used to be a woman. What I used to be no longer inconvenience me, so I don't talk about it much. I work as a software engineer for a defense contractor at a moderately conservative workplace. I don't think I will see any of my extended family that are in China ever again. They don't know, and it's better for everyone that way.
I'm a bi, trans woman. Currently engaged to the love of my life who sadly lives thousands of miles away, but we make it work and will likely be getting married within the next year.
Sexuality for me has always kinda just been one of those things I kinda knew once puberty set in. I found myself falling for girls whilst equally eyeing up guys. If I have to be honest I guess I find guys, gals and folks in between sexually attractive, but for romantic attraction I've found that there needs to be some femme element, something I found out the hard way with my attempts at dating guys.
As for my gender it was always a bit more subtle, I never did the whole trying on girls clothing and stuff as a child or a teenager, I kind of suppressed open expression of my feminine side. I was teased for being feminine already, last thing I needed was to give them more reasons.
No, instead I'd daydream about crazy situations where the whole world was gender swapped, or like maybe I'd go to sleep and wake up to suddenly find that I was a girl. I'd pray to a god I didn't believe in (my family are all atheist/agnostic, myself included), that maybe some greater power could make me a girl, just for a day so I could see what it was like.
I was dumb though, I assumed everyone had these feelings, I had myself convinced it was just simple curiosity.
I was lucky to go to a school that had a very thorough and comprehensive sex ed programme. They even covered trans people and transitioning. But the explanation was always very simple: "trans people are men or women who were born in the wrong body", that simple.
But for me, I didn't "know" I was a woman "born in the wrong body", I was just me. Sure I had these daydreams and feelings, but that didn't make me a girl, or so I thought.
These things continued and I struggled with depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation. Constantly pushed and pulled in all directions by this underlying ennui. I hated myself, hated who I was but never could quite accurately put in words why.
A few years later a friend comes out to me as trans, I brushed her off initially, assuming it was a joke or something to mess with me, but no, she was serious. She shared her experiences with me, her feelings, her life and I took it upon myself to learn more, to look into the trans community and find how I could best support her.
We started dating briefly, only a few months, but I learned a lot about the trans experience. How she got there, how she knew. And while it didn't quite hit me yet, the pieces were very slowly falling in place for me.
We broke up but she remained my best friend, the cogs kept slowly turning and I started letting my feminine side out more, and I found that it made me happier, the self loathing was dulled. I started to realise that I had wanted to be a girl this whole time, that it's who I am, and everything just kinda felt right.
I came out to my best friend in early-mid 2018. Saw the doctor about my dysphoria in October, flew out to spend time with my friend in November.
I started my hormones in spring last year, things have been slow, had to try a few different methods but things are finally working there.
My best friend and I will have been dating for five years come this November. And with her I will finally be able to live as myself and love myself, just as she loves me.
Apologies for the long form, and the flowery language. This is the first time I think I've ever really committed this to writing and I kinda just went with the flow.
No apologies needed! This is exactly the kind of post I had in mind when I made the thread. Thank you for taking the time to share your story with us. I’m happy you found both love and yourself.
This is so beautiful. I'm happy for you!
For what it's worth, a lot of the "pronoun world" is kind of overplayed on the internet. You'll be hard-pressed to meet people who genuinely use them offline. I've spent a lot of time hanging out in queer centers and queer spaces and I've never really come across anyone who uses neopronouns. The most I've encountered is Mx, but it's such a slight change to speech that it really isn't too much a deal.
It's funny this thread came up so soon after I recommended Lily's channel, because she has a very nice video documenting the height of the gender/pronoun movement and where its progenitors are now, as well as a deconstruction of the concept itself.
How do you actually say Mx? Is it mix? m-hks?
It's more like Mc's than mix. Like saying the start of McDonald's and adding an s sound. That's how I went about it and it never seemed to get me into trouble.
Makes sense, thanks!
Beauty is in the eye of the observer. This is what makes our species so diverse, and with terrific creativity potential.
I really like this mindset cause it's sort of mine, but yeah. I do my best to understand neopronouns and the like, but meh.
Also don't use labels much.
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I'm a pansexual woman, but it took me a good long while to figure that out. I grew up in the 90s and went to a bunch of Christian schools, so, not exactly the environment to learn about the nuances of the queer umbrella. I knew gay people existed, but I also knew I liked men, so that obviously meant I wasn't gay and was therefore straight, right? I'm definitely not having crushes on these women or anything, I just think they're really cool and really pretty and sorry what were we talking about again?
Anyway, when I finally put the pieces together in my 20s, for the next while there I identified as bisexual with a preference for women. That one also took a while to untangle, but in the end it came down to patriarchy nonsense. What I had mistaken for a preference for women was actually a preference for "people I feel comfortable/safe around", and in the world of anonymous online dating, that usually gave most women a pretty big edge.
The final nail in that "oh, no, I'm definitely actually pansexual" coffin was when the person I had been dating for a while (now my spouse) realized they were genderqueer instead of cis. One of my best friends approached me carefully in private one day to check in on me, and see "how I was doing" with their transition, and if I foresaw the relationship continuing through it - and I was just genuinely completely baffled. I mean, of course, why wouldn't it, right? Why would something as silly as gender impact how attractive I find someone in any capacity? Well, my friend is bi and also attracted to all genders, but she explained that for her it absolutely would matter, since she's attracted to different kinds of qualities in men vs women vs nonbinary people. Whereas for me, I just kinda think humans are pretty neat.
I am majorly identifying with your last paragraph.
When my spouse came out as trans, my family's reaction was to started consoling me over the end of my marriage. Uh... what? I guess I never knew how atypical my (our?) sexuality is.
I'm a trans lesbian. I thought I was bisexual for the longest time as my earliest experiences were with men (I was like, 8) but once the pieces clicked that I felt the happiest as a woman - I realized that I just craved the validation of being seen as one.
After that my life took a turn. Parents didn't like me being trans one bit, despite how much good it did for me (I finally had the drive to go back to school, work on myself and future). Thankfully I was already an adult, so I got a full-time job building pc's and moved out. It's been hard but that freedom to live my truth has enabled me to do more than I ever thought I could.
I'm now an IT tech and in a polyamorous relationship with a few other transbians, and I've never felt happier!
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I also hesitate to label myself. I usually just say i go whichever. It doesn't matter to me.
My issue is that I'm a full grown adult now, but I've never been in a relationship or felt love for any human being.
Growing up, a lot of people thought I was gay. And I resented that because being gay was bad.
They would ask me questions like how do you know you're straight? You've never been with anyone.
My mother was worried enough that she straight up asked me if I was gay. I was in my teens.
I guess it was obvious to everyone else but me. I tried really hard to quash any mention of it and act like normal people.
But when I went to art school and made friends with more open and queer people, I accepted myself more and was more open to the idea that I liked similarly gendered people. Especially since they've shown that it wasn't a bad thing at all.
But then I started saying like yea I could be maybe kinda gay. Then people would ask, but you've never been into anyone. How do you know you're gay?
I guess I acted straight too well now, people didn't believe me.
Then I got frustrated because apparently I couldn't be anything. And then people started suggesting that I was maybe asexual because I showed no interest in wanting to pair up.
But I'm really not asexual. I have felt sexual attraction for people. I do have sexual fantasies for different genders.
I've just never connected enough with another human being romantically to have a relationship. And for the longest time, I didn't feel lonely and didn't care for it. I try the apps now, but I'm pretty half hearted because I'm not eager for it.
So I just don't ever label myself and just allude to it. I'll talk about whoever is hot and who I'm into at the moment regardless of gender. If I've been on a date with someone of a similar gender, I just mention it like it's no big deal within conversation if it's within context.
I tried to kind of come out to a gay friend recently by labelling myself but it just felt wrong and like I was lying to him.
I really feel like I shouldn't be part of it because I don't know. I don't have proof of anything and most of the time I don't think too much of my own sexuality. I'm not that interested.
I just feel like an imposter really.
It also doesn't help that when the last time I went on a date, they asked me what the queer community was like in my area. I awkwardly told them I had no idea. I've not really felt the need to join in. I'm into the local art community, and there's lots of queer people there to bond with.
Queer people have also been marginalised and gone through so much shit, I don't want to diminish that with my nothingness. My life is very easy in comparison.
It's the same thing with my gender identity. I had a whole crisis about it growing up, but then I kind of formed my own worldview and am okay with it. I don't want to label my gender either. I'm just me.
So I subscribe to sexuality being a spectrum. People like what they like.
Really informative, and a lil bit relatable as far as not labelling your stuff. I know for younger folk who are on the Internet, labels are important. I knew someone who was hesitant against the idea of not needing labels, which sucks but yeah.
Hope you're doing well, yeah.
Thanks! I'm doing okay. Working on myself and trying to be a better human being.
But I understand how labels can be important. It helps you find people like you to relate to and be part of a community or tribe. Finding a common identity.
I think of it as people who identify very strongly with either their race, culture, nation, hobbies, or/and occupation.
You're finding your group. Your people. Somewhere to belong.
At least that's my assumption. I don't know if that's right.
here's the long and short of it (I'm achillean + gender questioning):
I started questioning my sexuality as I went into secondary. repressed it for years as I learnt that my peers were insanely queerphobic. came out to my parents in Year 10 after bunking off school a few times because of the stress of playing along with awful queerphobic shit every single day. got together with my oldest mate at the start of Year 11, which was amazing for the first few months but became more distant after we told our parents. joined a queer youth group around this time, which has been really good for me. he left me fairly abruptly in April, haven't really spoken to him since then. I miss him sometimes.
I'm getting over him though, slowly but surely. not like I haven't got things to distract me -- I'm going to a very accepting performing arts school in September and have eleven weeks of pride events and trips with my mates coming up (including a week's residential in Wales and seeing Pulp at the Apollo! I'm so fucking excited haha). it'll be nice to build new friendships at college and strengthen ones with mates I already have.
so.. yeah, that's basically it.
Back in middle school, after plenty of sort of pretending I was on the giiirls side in dumb kindergarten playground war things, I realized there were people who changed what they were. I looked it up, learned that these people had psychologists approve of changing genders, thought I could never pass that test, and repressed it deep deep down. Kept trying to accept that I wasn't transgender """enough""". Four years ago I gave up on that.
I don't really know what word works best, non-binary or genderfluid. People say they always knew they weren't their gender or knew they were something - I've never known any of it. I don't really volunteer info in meatspace; some friends and family and thankfully my accepting wife know but I haven't worked up the courage or opportunity to tell my parents. I just don't know what it would do for me to "transition" (to what?) or to present less masculine except invite hate and judgement. It's father's day and I'm feeling odd about the well wishes, but I suppose it's the role I play - and I don't feel too weird about that. Shit's weird, shit's good to accept, shit's dangerous.
Hope my son grows up in a better world for all of this.
I would suggest trying to explore other gendered clothing! You could show your son it's okay to be curious, and that genderfluidity isn't scary. That itself will make the world a slightly better place for him to grow up in.
The more people that don't 'have to' stand out, but choose to be themselves anyway, the safer we all are.
This really speaks to me. Feeling like you're "not trans enough" and repressing was very close to my experience, and even after transitioning I can't really say that I feel like a "woman". I feel better, sure, but I think that I classify myself as a trans woman because it's the nearest approximation. I've come to the conclusion I'm just going to exist and do what I like doing, and it's been working so far. It's wonderful you have people around you to confide in at least.
Without getting too much into the details -- first I thought I was gay. Then I tried to be straight to see if maybe I wasn't gay? Then I thought, no, definitely gay. Then met my current spouse (then, just a friend) and realized, ooh, wait, what if I'm actually bisexual? And then we got married and I became OK with being bisexual. :)
It was a bit of a rocky road, rockier than realizing "ooh wait I'm non-binary, OK, cool, cool cool cool". But even if I realize down the road, "wait, this other label feels better to me" then I'm OK with that. I love my spouse and they are cool with however I am.
Hi, I'm straight, but haven't had any desire for sex or relationships for a long time. I think I may have burnt out in my early 20's. I had one serious relationship, followed by some months of nothing, then a few years of short term relationships. I just focus on passions now. I pondered the idea that I might be gay, wondering where my libido went, but that's not it. I think I'm all sexed out lol. I'm not sure if I'm just stubborn about wanting both a relationship and sex together, and rejecting it if it's only one, or if I just reject it because I'm just not that interested in that anymore.
I felt like that for a while, I've decided now that I'm probably demisexual + extremely picky. I've only really desired a few dozen people, in my whole life.
Interesting that you should mention demisexuality. I've obviously heard the term before but never really looked into what it meant in any depth, so just had a bit of a read. Hmm.
I've never had any doubts about my gender identity or sexuality in the most basic sense (straight male), but I... actually don't think I have ever experienced what is apparently primary sexual attraction.
Whether that is demisexuality or not I couldn't tell you - and for me the label itself doesn't really matter - but I do feel like there's a "safety" aspect to it.
When I am emotionally bonded with someone, I feel "safe" to feel, and therefore express, sexual attraction towards them. In my mind, expressing those sorts of things is a vulnerability and if I don't have a sense of safety then I simply can't (read: don't) feel it.
If someone then removes that sense of safety by breaking my trust, there is a high chance that I simply lose the ability to feel sexual attraction towards them, and finding it again is very, very difficult and involves rebuilding that trust.
Not to bring attachment theory into another thread (seems to be the only thing I post about here!) but to me at least, these two things might be linked. Thanks for the food for thought, and another aspect of "me" to explore.
Wow, I relate to a lot of that, especially losing the ability to feel attraction when safety is gone. That has definitely happened to me.
This post has been wonderful, for all the new people + the self reflection opportunities. Its seriously helping me, too!
Hi, I am cis and chosing to go by bisexual but technically also qualify as pan.
Owning those labels has been and still is a bit of a struggle. Most people hear bi and think men and women. I have had a crush on women, and some experiences with one person I perceived as a woman at the time. But, the vast majority of my strong feelings and crushes have been with men and non binary folk. I have only had two serious longer term relationships, one with my ex who is non binary, and one with my now husband, who is a cisgender man.
I often get the feeling I can't truly claim that label, especially because I now outwardly appear as the token straight lady. I don't tend to go to LGBT events any more because of that, even tho I have experienced legit attraction to more than one gender. It just sometimes feels that just because I haven't had sex with a woman, it doesn't count.
Thank you, that means a lot.
It's definitely true that I have a preference, but I will also say that it's easier to fall in love with people if you meet them! I spend a few years going to lgbt spaces specifically often, but after uni I made it less of a priority. I haven't encountered that many single women who are into women in my day to day life, and did meet a LOT of single straight men. Simply because well, more people are straight. I think in a line up of equal opportunity 10 women vs 10 men I could very easily still pick a woman over a guy, but in day to day life it's more like 1 woman vs 10 men.
Plus the stereotype really is true - I have only ever been on one date I wasn't aware was a date, and that was with a woman! It's so hard to figure out if a woman is just being friendly or genuinely into you. Men tend to be a bit more obvious about that.
I really relate so strongly to what you’re expressing here. I actually had a conversation with my (lesbian) coworker a few months ago about how anxious I was (and am!) about feeling like an invader in queer spaces. I am queer; I feel good about identifying that way, and as pan, but I also know that I pass for straight, like… very well.
She very lovingly told me how silly that was, and for whatever reason that conversation really stuck with me. Ever since, I’ve been noticing ways in which I’ve been guarding how I express myself and trying to let go of those boundaries, and it’s felt… really good. I realized that I was actually lowering my voice to avoid sounding “queer” (crazy! I am queer! And this is just how my voice sounds!). I recently bought an entirely new summer wardrobe. I feel much better, and I didn’t even realize I wasn’t feeling 100% before!
I’m not trying to suggest that you’re having the same experience as I did; everyone’s path is different. Hopefully I’m not over-sharing here. Really I just wanted to express that you’re not alone in feeling this way. And, also, that I hope you can start feeling some of the belonging you really do deserve. The confusion, the anxiety, the discomfort, that’s all part of what brings us together. That’s why we have spaces like this! To share and support and love, because being queer is fucking confusing, and there’s no one way to do it.
It was over a decade between when I became aware that I was gay and when I actually acted upon it. After I came out, I faced a lot of hatred for being gay and people treated me like I was the worst pervert in the world, and I remember being so frustrated not just because facing that sort of thing sucks, but because it felt so unfair because I hadn't actually done anything gay yet. I was being indicted for actions I'd never taken! It really highlighted in hindsight how much of the prejudice is based in perception rather than reality.
I share this because I was still gay throughout all those years, even if that was never backed by any action on my part. I didn't suddenly become gay when I first kissed a guy -- I first kissed a guy because I'd been gay for a long, LONG time before that. This is all a roundabout way of saying that you're absolutely free to claim the label and be a part of the community if you feel that's who you are and what you want to be a part of. It's entirely based on identity, not action.
I am a cis bi/pan woman. I'm married to a trans woman that I am totally enamored with and talk about a lot.
I grew up in the southern US, and even though I was making out with most of the girls I hung out with in HS, i casually dated guys and never came out. I took another girl to prom, so i sort of assumed my parents knew, i guess?
My twenties were difficult. Some sleeping in a car, some bad relationships. Some bad habits and poor coping strategies developed.
I moved to another state and met someone at work. He was whip smart, adorably nerdy & deeply distrustful of authority. In a world of stripes, i finally found someone else with spots- and the spots matched mine!!!
We got married a few years later, but something wasn't quite right. We were devoted to each other, but we were fucking terrible at being husband and wife. Being terrible at an abstract concept is weird but its the best i can explain it.
We then had the Year of Change. My spouse came out to me, and a couple months into processing that, I had a life threatening medical event. While recovering, my parent passed away suddenly. I lost my job, then another relative passed.
Let me tell you, trying to come out with your spouse while your family grieves two people fucking sucks. Misunderstandings and tears abound.
Over this time i also quit some vices & started exercising, so I'm 50lbs leaner and somewhat better looking than I was. My wife took to hormones amazingly well, she's always been sexy but she's a stone cold fox now.
We combined homes with my now single parent, and I'm trying to figure out who I am now and who will employ me. I feel lightyears different from the person that knew how to sell myself in a job interview. I blasted through any grant money for education in my 20s, and here i am. I'm so much happier queer. SO much. But I don't know who i am in so many was right now.
I do know that everything and more was worth it to see my beautiful wife her real, happy self. Anything and everything is worth that.
I had a weird experience with my gender where I knew that I wanted to be a woman since I was a child, but the prospect seemed so impossible I just shrugged and moved on. When I learned that trans women exist, this kind of broke my world view, and I remember distinctly rebelling against the idea that I'm trans and trying to push it down telling myself it's just a phase. I came very close to coming out of the closet, even telling my friendgroup about my dysphoria, but I never pursued it seriously. I'd been bisexual since I was fourteen without making too much of a fuss about it, but being trans was so much scarier.
When I turned eighteen I figured I may as well put my masculinity to the test and tried to embrace that side of myself - I won't elaborate here for privacy reasons, but safe to say the more I attempted to become masculine the more I hated my body. It became clear that hiding this wasn't going to help when I started flirting with the void. Throughout my entire teenage life I was depressed without realizing it, figuring that I was just faking my depression and making a big deal out of nothing. Everyone around me assured me that I'm a good kid and I have nothing to worry about, but that only intensified the imposter syndrome.
I went to private therapy and told my psychologist that, though I am willing to accept being trans, I want to be sure that I'm not using it as an "excuse". It terrified me that I might have just assigned dysphoria all of my issues and was now chasing it in a desperate attempt to fix myself. Luckily, after a few months of deliberation and experimentation, it became clearer and clearer that this was who I wanted to be. I consider myself extremely lucky for many reasons, but the chief among them is how easily I got treatment and started HRT. There are a lot of times when I feel a sort of survivor's guilt, as by all accounts I'd hit the jackpot in that regard with good doctors at every turn, whereas I personally know people waiting for years.
I'm now six-ish months into treatment. Things are much better and I'm actually beginning to pass. Still heavily self-medicating with cannabis, and recently started Ritalin in an attempt to actually get my life together. I'd essentially been in a computer-games-based coma for my entire teenage life, having little to no regards to the people around me because of how little I cared for life. I didn't even consider what I'd do after school. It's going to be a little tough to dig myself out of my hole but, I at least have a steady job doing what I like in an industry that probably isn't going anywhere.
@SonoranDesertRat said something that I really resonated with,
I've always been attracted to the human body, no matter its gender, orientation, or whatever. Of course I still have my tastes, and sometimes I could even be described as shallow depending on the conversation. This is a little too abstract to truly put to words, but I essentially see people with "scales" of different kinds of attractiveness, and kind of sub-categorize people based on aesthetics and vibes (for lack of better terms). My relationships are a little weird because, beyond my family, I'm sort of attracted to everyone including my platonic friends - my theory is that for me, because it's difficult to form a connection, when I finally do form it I inevitably start appreciating the other person.
I feel like I can write a lot more, but honestly, there's a limit to how much I can stand talking about myself. This is already WAY outside my comfort zone but, I figure I should be a little more open with the world around me.
Hey, I'm an asexual woman. I got lucky and figured out I was ace in high school, so I never went through the agonizing some people do. There are so many horror stories about people only realizing after they're married, and feeling like they've been lying forever. So I try to spread a lot of awareness about it.
I'm on the sex-repulsed side, but not as bad as some as I can just skim/skip through fiction with such scenes. (And I do have some fetishes apparently, so go figure.) At this point, I admittedly view some people's obsession with sex as pretty silly and amusing.
Now, that said, I have no clue what my romantic orientation is. I'm leaning towards aromantic, or maybe homoromantic, or panromantic... Yeah, that clears up nothing. I get attracted to fictional characters, but I usually find male characters more attractive than female. In real life though I feel like I prefer women over men, but that could also just be a platonic crush where I want more female friends since my friend group is majority-male. And I don't really like the super-close touch from cuddling or having an arm over your shoulder, or kissing. So, yeah. No clue XD
I'd just like to start by saying how much I appreciate this. As a bisexual(-ish) person, even knowing that a lot of the "hostility" I've seen directed at cishet people is in jest, it's something that's just never sat well with me. I'm a very sensitive person, and I can't help but project that onto others as well, so even if a lot of it is "punching up" as such, I've just never been able to get on board with that kind of humour.
On that note, hiya. Genderfluid/nonbinary (DMAB) bisexual person here. Well, that's a pretty simple way to put it, so that's what I default to - it'd probably be more accurate to say I'm ace and panromantic. I just don't feel much in the way of sexual attraction
in real life(so far, at least; I'm 26 and a shut-in who lives with my parents due to mental health/trauma reasons) but I'm a hopeless romantic.I am a degenerate furry, though, so make of that what you will. Sorry. :PI'm not really sure when I realized it - it was never something I really thought about that much while I was in middle school, or even after I dropped out - I'd had my fair share of crushes on girls at the time - but I didn't know what to call it for a while. I'd never really considered the idea that someone could be attracted to men and women before, but Doctor Who - particularly the character of Jack - finally made things click for me. (I know, I know, it's a little silly, sorry :P)
I'm also inclined to call myself genderfluid, though I'm a bit hesitant to say much more than that or really commit to it - while some of my more masculine traits really, really bother me (particularly my facial hair) and I tend to refer to myself with they/them, they rarely bother me enough that I'd seriously consider HRT to alleviate them (maybe something for the facial hair, but that's likely at least partly due to sensory processing issues making me hate how it feels), and I don't mind being referred to by he/him.
Again, I'm not really sure when I started wondering about this kind of stuff - I just flat didn't know what "trans" really meant for a long time. Even after learning, it wasn't something I really thought about that much, from what I recall (my memory's not great) - but at some point, I just sorta... realized that I think of myself/want to be thought of as more androgynous than I do masculine or feminine. Is that being genderfluid or nonbinary, or just a matter of expression? I don't knooooow. I feel like it's a bit more than just self-expression, but I also don't want to downplay the kind of struggles trans people go through without being sure if it really applies to me.
Also, on a final, personal note:
I know it's the catch-all term people use these days, but the use of "queer" as an umbrella term is something I really, really don't like. "Reclaimed" or not, it's still very much a slur to me and a lot of other people. I'm hardly going to tell people what they can or can't call themselves - if that's the label they feel describes them, that's great, and I'm all for it - but the casual insistence on its use as the term for "anyone who's not cishet" has gone a long way in making me want to distance myself from LGBT groups and the like, which sucks. It's a little selfish, I'll admit, but the fact that this group's stuck with ~lgbt instead... I have to say that I appreciate that, personally.
Thank you for sharing your story and for your honesty! I don't have answers to your gender questions, but I wish you the best as you navigate those waters.
Seeing LGBT people hate on cishet people grinds my gears too. I literally owe my life to the straight people who supported me when I came out. As a teacher, I am inspired by the many non-LGBT parents I've met over the years who openly support and love their LGBT children. Also, independent of any actions whatsoever: the driving drumbeat of acceptance promoted by our community is that identity-based discrimination is wrong, so when people attempt to invert the discrimination rather than eradicate it, I see that as a forsaking of our ideals and spitting in the face of what I've spent my life advocating for. We are and should always be a source of radical acceptance, not sneering division.
I grew up in a time and place where "queer" was a significant slur. It did a lot of damage to young me.
Later, I moved to a very different, much more LGBT-friendly area. I went to a community meeting for LGBT people, and everyone went in a circle and said how they identified. Almost everyone in the room said their name and that they identified as "queer". Needless to say, I was thoroughly taken aback. Not only was I used to that as a slur, but I was also confused: what did it mean to identify as queer?
It took me a lot of time in that community to reconfigure my understanding of the term, and in doing so, I came to really appreciate it.
When people said they identified as "queer", I was initially bothered that I couldn't suss out what they "truly" were. I wanted clear labeling. Were they gay? Bi? Trans? I actually remember being mad. The "queer" label felt cowardly. Here we were talking about the importance of coming out of the closet and being open and visible, and it felt like everyone was hiding behind this indistinct, non-descriptive term.
One of my slow realizations was that the term's indistinctness was actually an asset rather than a weakness. I first realized it when it came to me that the term afforded a level of privacy to people. I was already well aware of how coming out as gay would cause me to receive innumerable invasive questions from strangers. People I'd just met or hardly knew would jump to asking me questions about my sex life or fetishes -- something that I guarantee they would have never done with any straight people at the same level of acquaintance. I knew what it felt like to suddenly become like a zoo exhibit instead of a person.
At the time, trans people and issues were much less widely present and understood (not that we don't still have a long way to go on that front). The questions they were subjected to made the ones I had to face look tame and polite by comparison. Also, those questions would often come from people within the LGBT community itself. I knew what it meant to be gay, but I had no idea about trans experiences or identities. I was tactful enough to not every put anyone on the spot with questions, but I seemed to be the exception, rather than the norm.
As I returned to the group over time and people continued to introduce themselves as queer, it helped me realize that the label afforded the trans people in the group a way to participate without having to out themselves. The woman sitting across the group from me: was she gay? Trans? It didn't matter. It was her right to be, not my right to know.
This was pretty transformative to me and ended up becoming a sort of bedrock for me and how I viewed the queer community: how does someone identify? That's their business -- not mine! If they're wanting to share that with me, I'm happy to honor that and celebrate that with them, but they are under absolutely no obligation to do so. Being private with that wasn't necessarily a product of shame in the individual and could, in fact, be a method of dignity for them.
The other thing that made me come around to the term was that it was unifying. With practically everyone in the group identifying as queer, it brought us together in a way that "LGBT" as a label didn't.
I think one of the things I've seen change in my lifetime is that, as widespread acceptance and understanding has increased, there has been less of a need for cohesion in the queer community. People can more easily find their own tribe even within the community, and there's not as strong of a societal front against them. These are invariably good things, but it can also lead to fragmenting. At its worst, it looks like people advocating for separating out trans people from our community, but it doesn't always have to be that direct or insidious. The anti-cishet rhetoric we talked about earlier is, I believe, a product of this, alongside a lot of the anxieties people have expressed in this thread about not being some form of "enough" to fully identify with our community.
The power of "queer" for me was that it erased all of the differences between us and our experiences and put us all under one umbrella. My fight was their fight, and their fight was my fight, and this was all possible even if I didn't know how they identified. The idea that we would, say, jettison trans advocacy from our group was anathema under this model, because trans people weren't a "them" in our group that could be jettisoned in the first place -- they were explicitly "us" and we were explicitly "them" because we all shared that overarching label.
This is something that has also stuck with me over time. I've watched the vocabulary of our community expand, and I'm continually learning new terms (I just learned "achillean" from this very topic!). I think the need for these terms is coming about (and will continue to grow) because we are learning to be increasingly precise about incredibly complex and diverse aspects of humanity.
My worry is that the greater diversity of terminology will lead to a dilution of our group identity. I think it's awesome that we no longer have to cling to one another for support in the face of a wider culture that indiscriminately hates all of us, but I also don't want us to lose our sense of connection -- the glue that holds us all together.
For me, this is the value I see in "queer". I think it can be a really good glue, and I think it's fair to minority and emergent identities within our colorful rainbow, whereas "LGBT" advantages only a few, and the most dominant at that.
Now, I say all of this not because I want to convince you to change your mind or anything. Believe me when I say that I fully understand the baggage that people carry with the word "queer" and fully respect people's inability to separate the word from the harm that's been done to them and others in its name. I think if I hadn't have had the experience in the group that I did, I personally would be the same way.
I share this simply to give some perspective into people like me who do see value in the word. It's in my bio here on the site. When I'm interacting with someone like yourself who disapproves of it, I try to respect their preferences as best as I can (I've had to edit out some uses of it when not talking about the word as a term in this very post).
But you'll probably see me use it elsewhere around the site. It's the terminology I'm most comfortable with and value. The reason I've typed all this out in the first place is that I want people on the site, and especially you in particular to know that, when I do use it, it connotes warmth and connection. When I call myself "gay", I feel like I'm making a basic statement about myself. When I call myself "queer", however, I feel like I'm making a statement about my place in this world, and that means so much more to me. Likewise, when I talk about the "queer community", I feel like it captures a beautiful complex kaleidoscopic rainbow mosaic of humanity. It's not a word I use lightly, and it's not a sort of shallow, flippant reclamation of a slur. It's instead something that is powerfully, wonderfully evocative to me. The last thing I ever want it to do is hurt people. To me, its use is healing.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I get that a lot of people have legitimate grievances when they make those kinds of comments, and (broadly speaking) they're typically venting more than anything else, but I've just never been able to wrap my head around the thought of taking something that was done to you and redirecting it at someone else, regardless of privilege or standing or anything like that. I'm just not wired up to think that way, I guess. :P
That's not to say that silly banter between friends is a problem, of course - in my really close friend group, there's a fair number of us who are LGBT in one way or another (or multiple), and sometimes we'll poke fun at each other over things like that - but that's in a context where most of us have known each other for over a decade and it's fairly clear that there's no ill intent behind any of our snark. I feel like potentially offensive humour like that can have its place - its place just isn't "in public", y'know? Though that's kinda off-topic, heh :P
Ah, let me preface this by saying that you don't have to censor yourself for my sake, heh. I've actually got a Chrome extension set up that replaces any instance of "queer" with "lgbt" from a while back, when it bothered me much more deeply than it does today. I've already got that part under control, so no worries :P
Having said that - you make a lot of very salient points here! Particularly around how it works as a single, unifying term that can include everyone. I absolutely understand what you're getting at, and I don't disagree with any of it. I'm not the kind of person who's going to get upset if someone wants to call themselves queer - if that's the word that they feel is right for them, then I'm fully supportive of that. I'm not going to tell you to stop calling yourself queer if that's what suits you. 👍
I think, going beyond the baggage the word itself already has - a lot of my experience with people who are insistent on the use of queer as an umbrella term (not people like you, just to be clear - I'm very, very appreciative of the thoughtfulness of your approach, especially given how blunt, for lack of a better word, my initial comment on the matter was) has been fairly reminiscent of some of the discourse I was exposed to on Tumblr back when I used it (circa 2012-2014-ish?). Namely, people insisting that bisexuals either "weren't oppressed" or flatly "didn't belong" in LGBT spaces, due to "straight-passing privilege". As a teenager/young adult who was still figuring themselves out at the time, having some of the people who were ostensibly "on my side" tell me "No, your opinion doesn't matter, you don't matter, get out" was... well, pretty unpleasant, to say the least. I find it hard not to feel echoes of that when seeing people insist that "queer community" is the only term, and if you use "LGBTQ+" or anything like that then you're clearly bigoted against the people it excludes, and if you don't like it then you don't belong, etc. etc. That's the stuff I'm really not okay with, more than anything else - unfortunately, that's just the kind of connection that I've ended up making.
I do imagine that, someday, it'll be a term I'm much more open and accepting of. It certainly used to resonate extremely badly with me not that long ago - the sense of "This is what my generation has decided on, I don't belong here anymore" I used to get would make me feel physically ill, whereas these days, it's more of an "Ah, please don't call me that" kind of thing.
I'd also just like to say that this:
This is beautifully written. Kudos. ♥ While I haven't quite gotten to that point yet myself, I hope I'll be able to see you there when that day comes. :)
QUICKEDIT: Oh, and, uh - I do apologize if my initial comment on the matter sounded rude or anything like that. Much like you, the last thing I want to do is hurt anyone, and I'm sorry if I did. I'm fully aware that most LGBT people who use queer as an umbrella term are like you and don't use it with the intention of causing offense. I apologize if my initial post read otherwise.
I didn’t take your post as rude at all! I actually loved reading it. You have an exciting energy that comes through even in text alone. I enjoyed hearing the details of your life that you shared and the unique voice that you used to do that.
I hope you didn’t take my lengthy post as an invective or an angry rebuttal or anything like that. I’m super wordy; I like to tell stories; and I often forget how intimidating it can be to receive a lengthy reply like the one I wrote. I was looking to add my voice to the conversation, but not to diminish or take away yours in the slightest.
Meta note: If you’re still feeling thrown by it, I’m pretty sure there’s an unofficial support group here among our old guard for people I’ve dropped novella-length comments on without warning. 😆 Most regular users from before the recent influx have probably gotten one from me — a few unlucky souls have gotten several!
Also, your clarifications in this post help reinforce that we’re actually on the same page. I would never mandate that people use “queer” to define themselves or the community. Self-determination is literally what we’re all about!
I also got tired pretty quickly of the kind of gatekeepy stuff you identified as being prevalent on Tumblr. I mentally wrote it off long ago as the Twitterification of LGBT advocacy because it seemed tailor-made to generate conflict. Mandating someone else’s self-disclosure; telling people their oppression needs to be THIS tall to ride; outright committing bisexual erasure? Those are all ways of trying to create a selective, exclusive in-group at the expense of others while using advocacy as an intellectual cover for ostracism. No thanks, and that is not who we are as a community!
In case you (or anyone else) need to hear this: I made this thread not because our gate has guards outside of it, skeptically checking the credentials of each person that enters to make sure they meet our narrow entrance criteria. I made this thread because our gate is wide open, there are adorable rainbow balloons all over it, and the people standing outside are welcoming everybody in with open arms, no questions asked.
I’m delighted you decided to come inside. You are welcome here; you are a part of this community; and I couldn’t be happier to share this space with someone as thoughtful and forthcoming as you.
Aww, heh, I'm flattered. ^^; Hearing something like that really means a lot to me, thank you. <3
Oh no, not at all! A passionate (and very well-worded) reply, sure, but nothing malicious. :)
In case it wasn't clear, concision isn't one of my strong suits either, heh. :P I like taking time to put my thoughts together and analyze why I feel the way I do about something, or what brought me to a certain conclusion or etc., so it's not uncommon for my word count to get away from me, either. I have to admit that's something I appreciate about Tildes already - the sense that such a thing is welcomed, rather than a surprise. :P
That's all I needed to hear to know that this is the kind of space I'm looking for. <3 Thank you!
I appreciate this definition of queer so much, thank you!
That's not silly. I was inspired by Jack too! I jokingly say I'm into anything that moves (not animals though). His power isn't just being attracted to men and women, he was into aliens and anything of any form! It's great.
Hello, all, and be welcome with any consensual sexuality, gender Identity, and romantic status you feel at home in!
I'm delighted (and terrified) that we're loving and living in a time where we have descriptive terminology, research, medicine, and (at least some) social/legislative/religious acceptance so that we can be who we actually are.
Bin me as AFAB, but with a genetic condition that's marginally intersex. I like pretty much every stripe on the rainbow, but wound up partnering with an AMAB who's got his own tricky hormonal gender thing (mild androgen insensitivity) going on.
I grew up in a time where I confused or infuriated my parents and baffled my doctors. I drew scorn, outrage and punishment from society at large for being a tomboy queer. My mother put me through hell because she wanted a proper daughter. She took me to doctor after doctor, demanding hormone treatments because she was convinced I had to be sick, that her muscular, hairy girl was unnatural. I left home at 16 and barely spoke to her for years. My dad never said a word about it, never treated me with anything but respect and affection. I think he was kind of relieved that we had so much in common.
I hated wearing dresses, stole clothes from my dad's closet, and didn't particularly bother to hide that I liked using tools, was good at science and math, and thought girls were as sexy as boys. But I also liked colors, poetry, handicrafts, cooking... so none of the classically prescribed gender roles were much of a fit. Nor was the lesbian community at the time very welcoming to a "butch" who also liked men and porn. [We're talking 1980's here, with the separatists, proto-TERFs, anti-porn warriors, and genuine misandrists ascendant.]
I'm not sure there's any way to avoid internalizing some of that hate and fear. I wasn't lonely for lack of sexual partners, but felt very alienated from my body. For most of my teens and early adulthood, I starved myself and worked out obsessively to appear as androgynous as possible, trying to erase gender from my life. However, had I been born later, I don't think I would have felt compelled to become a transman. Neither extreme of gender presentation seems right to me, except as costume and play.
I did well enough academically and in most career roles that I wasn't in danger of being unemployed for open queerness, but was never entirely secure or welcome. So I changed careers more often than most people, looking for something that only demanded competence.
I'm at a point in my life where I've done the therapy, made what I'd like to think of as worthwhile contributions to the world, and let the people I care about feel loved. I don't regret what I've learned from my experiences, but I'd like others to have an easier time.
Hey, NCAH unite! I'm AMAB, and suspect I might have a combination of androgen overproduction and androgen insensitivity, as despite the imbalance I've ended up pretty androgynous.
I'm curious about how your teenage years went with it. For me, ever since I entered puberty, my emotions were blunted and I had intense mood swings (likely from the sharp jumps of T levels). Not to mention memory fog, but that could be a number of things. Was it similar for you?
Sounds like you're in the spot my spouse was in; 2 - 3x normal T levels, and a hard time managing anger/mood swings. Made worse by not having the physical size and muscle mass to back up the usual results of a hair-trigger juvenile temper.
I dealt with puberty at age 10, and was too overwhelmed and immature to articulate what was going on. If puberty-blocking treatment was available, no question that I should have received it. I didn't get brain fog, but had atrocious mood swings and sometimes physical problems (susceptibility to infections, migraines) with the extreme monthly hormone changes. I was a typical sullen, gangly, clumsy, spotty, smelly teenager for the most part, I think, but with the added drama of rebellion against my own body and everyone else's opinions about it.
I don't want to medicalize NCAH too much because it's common enough to be within the normal range of human variation, and generally not a major life-impairment aside from the way society deals with gender divergence in general. But things didn't really settle down for me until I could throw birth control pills into the mix.
My doctor believes that my T has a lot to do with my gender identity, but I don't really think so. I've had dysphoria since I was a child, so I don't think it directly contributed. That said, when I asked my endocrinologist, she said that trans people tend to have more medical issues than cis people but that it may just be because they get tested for more things. Sometimes, I wonder how my life would be different if I had anti-androgens back then, but I don't think I'd be the same person so maybe it's for the best.
Very happy to hear both of you are, presumably, better now. It feels weird being emotional about these things since I'd never really had those kinds of reactions, but there's comfort in knowing I'm not alone.
I am a multi (sapiosexual and pansexual) cis man. I always carried on as a bisexual male, but with time, I joined more diverse communities and noticed I felt attracted regardless if the person was cis or trans. Also, that if I couldn't hold a conversation level I am comfortable with, I didn't felt attracted, even if the person hit all other buttons.
Yet, I don't feel included in the communities for LGBTQIA+, since I am such a "broad" person.
I’m a pansexual man. I’m married to a woman, and in fact I’ve never been in a relationship with anyone who identified as a man. I actually feel the tiniest bit of… grief, maybe? about that. I was teased so often as a kid about how “gay” I was, almost exclusively about things that had nothing to do with sexuality, like being interested in art or science, that I really internalized my defense of “That’s not gay, that has nothing to do with being gay, I’m not gay because of those things!” Which… of course was true, but I also was separately not straight. Took a while to untangle that, and by the time I had, I’d already met and begun dating the woman who is now my wife, and, it turns out, is the best partner I could ever possibly ask for. I’m not at all upset about the idea of being with her for the rest of our lives; I actually want that quite a lot! But I do feel some sadness that I had some potentially wonderful and fulfilling opportunities taken from me out of pure childish meanness.
I also realized recently that I think I’d be kind of into polyamory? I think people tend to use that term pretty broadly, and I suspect there are more specific terms that I’m just not familiar with, but I’ve fallen in love a bit with the idea of having a big, loving, polyamorous “family”. I had a bachelor party a while ago, where almost all of the people I love most in the world stayed together for a weekend, and I suddenly felt my understanding of why people love that idea of a polyamorous family so much. I felt so much love and joy watching all of my favorite people just be together, sharing affection and happiness. I don’t feel like this needs to go anywhere in particular, but I feel good that I had that experience and understanding.
Howdy. I'm a bisexual aromantic. The first half of that I've known since about forever, though I never knew the terminology when I was younger. The latter half, I learned after a relationship and several other moments where I realized I never felt strongly for a person in the context of romance.
There has been some struggles, especially with being aromantic. The self-doubt can be strong, unlike being bisexual. That I always knew with confidence. Often leads to moments where I sit and contemplate. But it always leads back to a yes, I am aro. Apologies if it's a bit short. I haven't really shared my story before.
Im definitely pansexual and have no sexual experience with male or female. I’m just an experience away from understanding my own sexuality.
I would say I'm gender apathetic. Not sure exactly where I sit on the gender spectrum, but I definitely don't align my identity with being any sort of he/she/they. Most people see me as a cis het male, which is fine by me. I just don't know what to identify with...and that's okay.
Not necessarily a new user, but a big lurker. These days I identify myself primarily as a homosexual. There's LGBT/queerness as an identity, or LGBT as a set of behaviors. I love the whole community and all the fun stuff we do, but I relate most to lesbians and gay men because of the common behaviors, struggles, and experiences. I could be described as a cis lesbian, but lesbian politics are complicated especially with how it intersects with transmasc issues. I have some transmasc behaviors (wear men's clothes, wear binders sometimes, am trying to learn to speak with a more androgynous voice). But I don't have a transmasc identity that I assign to myself or others assign to me.
I did go through a big label journey with my early confusion. Thought I was straight, then I was ace, then I was bi. It took me until I was in my 20s especially because of my desire to NOT be gay. Tried self curing and everything. It failed so I decided to live as gay and happy!
I'm mostly likely completely asexual, although I do sometimes hope that it's actually just residual dysphoria and bottom surgery might make romantic/sexual relationships an option. (And definitively proving the absence of something is difficult, so I'm open to all possibilities in the future) I've always been very good at completely blocking out uncomfortable situations though, so we'll see.
I transitioned at 17/18, basically the second I learned that transitioning was actually possible. I'm pretty classically trans - knew at a very young age that something was off, assumed I'd go through male puberty like all the other boys, and then later assumed that somehow I'd be male in the future - trans people weren't on my radar at all though. Learning that testosterone and top surgery was possible was incredible - I'd been hoping for accidental steroid overdoses and breast cancer... Being a teenager was hell, but I'm quite happy where I'm at now.
I'm not really involved with an LGBT groups - being so far into transition makes relating to most other trans people difficult and the other 'older' guys are also deep into the woodwork like me. I like lurking online though, and the current politics are pretty worrisome. I typically don't talk about it much though, although I've been more open with some (cis) friends in the past few years.
I am pansexual and agender (any/all pronouns. Call me whatever you like, as long as I understand you're talking about me we're good.)
In daily life this tends to lean masc because I have a beard and regularly hit the gym, but I also love painting my nails, wearing skirts and other more traditionally fem stuff.
And that is really the core of it, I just strongly dislike the very concept of gender. I don't like feeling like I have to or should behave a certain way, dress a certain way etc. I am me, nothing less and nothing more. Why on earth would I want to further put myself in some arbitrary social box that comes with all sorts of expectations and prescriptions as to how I am supposed to act, dress, talk etc.
To me the very concept is outdated and can really only be used to exclude and harm people. As you probably have gathered at this point I can also accurately be described as a gender nihilist and gender abolitionist.
When I was a kid (we're talking like 10-12 ish years old) I enjoyed expressing myself through clothing and other parts of my physical appearance. I grew my hair out past shoulder length, and was bullied quite a bit as either gay or a girl, which I resented. To me I was just me, and I hated how I was expected to conform to an image and expectation that didn't suit me or otherwise I would be filed in another category in a derogatory way (because when they called me a girl it usually wasn't 'you go girl'). I noticed however that it wasn't being called a girl or gay that I had an issue with, but rather their attempts to categorize me as anything else than just me as a person, as if my choice of hairstyle could accurately predict all sorts of things about me.
Kids however can be relentless monsters, and I gave up for a while. This did not go well and in combination with a lot of other factors resulted in me becoming very depressed and having to do a lot of soul searching. I had the luxury of a very supportive family and group of friends, many of which were struggling with their own gender/sexual identity. So especially when I was about college aged (18-24ish) I crystalized how I felt and thought about myself.
Now I am 26 and in a very healthy and confident space mentally. This is a recent development, before this I was out of commission with a severe depression for over four years. I am very glad I have reached this point and finally be comfortable with myself and who I am.
Interestingly a weird side effect of my views is that I sometimes have a difficult time relating to other members of the LGBTQ+ community, who really care about gender or sex, belonging to and/or being attracted to specific "categories". People have tried to explain this to me a million times and I will never get why anyone would want to place these restrictions or guidelines upon themselves, but I'll be damned if I don't fight for their right to do exactly that and anything else which makes them happy or allows them to expres themselves.
I'm the same! I had a whole crisis with gender growing up and came to the same conclusion. I'm also gender nihilist.
I don't really want to label myself because I don't agree with putting myself into a new box. But I also don't agree with the status quo of the traditional male and female boxes. I don't fit in the traditional boxes at all.
So it makes it very hard for me to identify because I don't see it as identifying my gender, but as identifying my world view to a certain extent. And the current 2 biggest solutions don't fit my world view.
So I tend to avoid identifying. I'm just me.
I'm not actually fond of the whole pronoun thing for that reason. I don't want to say what my pronoun is. Choosing a pronoun is choosing a gender box the moment I meet someone. I really don't want to choose and would rather not have to affirm which group I belong to when I meet someone new. I would prefer if they just got to know me and form an opinion from there.
But that's just my personal world view. While it doesn't fully fit my personal philosophy, I'm all for people fighting for their right to be who they are and against the traditional status quo. That's just the way the world is rolling right now and I support the people pushing for more openness and freedom from the traditional thinking.
I am gay and asexual or demisexual or gray asexual or something...
I know I am at least somewhat on the ace spectrum. I really don't enjoy one night stands at least (from experience), but I am not really sure about more since I wasn't ever in a real relationship. Once, I was on a pretty good date, but towards the end of it we talked about me being not too much into sex and when he asked something akin to if sex would be a part of a relationship with me, I said that I am not sure and that I couldn't guarantee it. I'd also say that if I had the chance to date some girl that was also a really good friend to me, I most likely would, it would just very likely be a romantic only relationship -- I'd still probably describe myself as gay though.
Honestly, I never struggled with any homophobia or anything, so I can really relate with all the people here who mentioned that they don't feel like they deserve the labels or feel like impostors. It took me until I was basically 18 to figure out that I was gay, I was kind of not really too interested in anyone, before then. I never was masculine at all, but I guess I also wasn't very stereotypically gay, more stereotypically nerd I guess. In a way I relate to NB folks, I don't really feel masculine/or feminine at all, but I am also perfectly content just being a guy that dresses a bit nicer and has long hair. I am pretty open about being gay when I get asked about it, but I also don't ever mention it unless someone does ask, and most people don't ask.
To all the other people on the ace spectrum in this thread, how did you find a relationship if you did? It would be for the best if I cared even less and stopped wanting one because it feels impossible. I'd summarize it like this, being gay/ace was never really hard for me, I am just pathetic. Over about the last 5+ years when I was trying a bit harder to meet new people and date, I met so many different people, but nothing. I think I am most likely just the type of person no one really would like to be in a romantic relationship with... I see so many people meeting someone and start dating very shortly after, but that never happens to me, every time I meet someone interesting or who I feel like I might like, they don't feel the same way. After all this time I just feel like the reason(/problem?) is most likely me. I am sorry that you had to read that, I always feel like I am really melodramatic and just pathetic complaining about that. I found quite a few queer friends this way though, which is super cool!
I'm a pansexual woman, and I remember when I was in middle school I got a fortune cookie that said that I would "have a happy life with my wife", and I kept it in my wallet because it felt like this beautiful future I wasn't allowed to have, but I could keep it with me on paper, at least.
I'm probably pretty lucky in terms of coming out. I'm a bisexual man, but I didn't really know I wasn't straight until I was 18. I mean looking back I can see some obvious pointers that I wasn't straight younger than that, but it didn't really hit me for a while. I think a big reason is because I slant towards women pretty hard. So I got my first boyfriend at 19, my mom had one or two weird conversations about it but came around pretty fast, and by that point I was in a major city and no one really cared.
I've had a few random strangers make fun of me for it, but I didn't know them so it never really effected me. I'm guessing it's much more likely I end up with a woman due to sheer numbers (there's way more women I'd date than gay/bi men I'd date) so I sorta just feel like being bi is a very small part of my life, like the fact I'm brunette or whatever.
Hi, I'm Albinanigans... Albi for short. I'm a queer-for-short non-binary Black American that likes to write, play video games, and pester the two cats that I live with. I have Genderfuck goals.
While I was brave enough to come out of the closet as bisexual in college (holy stereotype, Batman!) it took me til my late 20s to realize I was genderqueer. I knew the terminology from a printout in high school, but didn't realize that I myself could also opt-out of the gender box, and there was no wrong way to do that.
Im a trans lesbian, and have known for probably ~2 years. Before that i thought i was a gay male. I think im similar to other queer people in the way that i realised this stuff during the pandemic. I think knowing this (and other things relevant to that) gives me a bit of hope because at least now i know why im suicidal and how to fix the issue.
I consider myself to be ARO/ACE. Aromantic, Asexual. I've only really slid in to this definition in the last several years, in my late 30's+. It's always been there for me though, as long as I've looked back to all relationships in my life, or lack of them rather, but only just in the last few years discovered that there was a label for it.
I haven't come out. I don't feel the need to. I seem to have my circle of family and friends who don't mention that I am alone, and firmly alone. They either don't want to bring it up in case of hurting me for not finding "the one", or they just accept that I am destined to be alone. I don't mind, and because I don't feel like I have to justify it, it is just I that knows. I have no fear of not being accepted in my circle, so there's no fear there keeping it quiet.
I sometimes debate with myself whether I need to celebrate that I am of a different orientation, but not being out, then the debate moves to does it matter? And I don't actually know. I know it's ok that I am what I am, but I struggle with the thought I should come out because the more who comes out, then it helps any movement out there. I am a bit lost on that aspect.
I do wonder if there are any others out there that are the same as me. Not closeted because of fear, or hate, but just because they feel no need to advertise it, or do not need to come out.
Am I even in the proverbial closet even?
Hi everyone! I go by Sophia online, I appreciate knowing that there is a somewhat sizable LGBT community here! I am bisexual and trans/non binary (still confused on it for the past few years). My family is entirely unsupportive Muslims who do not feel that me being LGBT and me having any interaction with them is a remote possibility, so I am basically just a closeted queer person waiting until I can be self sufficient and capable enough to move out and start my own life! Glad to be a part of this community and excited to see how things will turn out!
I'm Grumpy, an autistic, pansexual, Welshman. Came out when I was about 18 I think, when I started dating my second girlfriend who happened to be trans.
Over the years I've been trying to get more invested into the community, but it's difficult when you're not the most social person, lol. So I've stuck to chatting to people where/when I can, and trying tk get involved in some lgbt gaming groups.
Hey, @kfywre... don't forget to share your own story, while we're all doing it!
I'm old news! I'd rather hear new stories!
I've talked more at length about my life in bits and pieces here over the years, and I initially thought about linking those, but that feels like assigning homework.
The short of it is this:
I'm a cis gay guy who grew up in a very conservative Christian household in the American South in the shadow of AIDS. Kept myself in the closet for over a decade. Came out, got disowned by my parents, attempted suicide, was saved by an incredible group of friends.
I'm now a teacher, working daily to help kids learn and grow and become the best versions of themselves that they can be. It warms my heart to see out and proud queer kids getting to live opportunities that I didn't get to have. I also reconnected with my parents, who have come a long way.
I'm happily married to my husband. We've only been legally married for a few years, but we've been together for over a decade. We have an adorable dog, and we live a life of quiet, calm, absolutely wonderful queer domesticity. The recent commissioned artwork I had made as a gift for my husband can give you an idea of what we look like and who we are as people.
I love being queer; I love our community; and, no matter what color or colors you are in our beautiful rainbow of humanity, I hope you are able to live your life in an enriching and affirming way. I know that isn't always attainable for everyone, for reasons both within and without, but I maintain hope and work towards a future where that is possible.
This isn't about what you want. It's about what we want.
I assume you didn't make this post solely so that you could read everyone's else's stories. I assume you made this post so that everyone could read everyone else's stories. Well... you're part of "everyone else", and "everyone" might want to read your story.
So there! :P